Lamar Miller will enter 2012 draft (1 Viewer)

[Dr. Octopus]

Miami (FL) RB Lamar Miller will forgo his final two seasons of eligibility with the Canes and enter the 2012 NFL draft.A redshirt sophomore, Miller racked up 1,272 yards and nine rushing scores on 227 carries (5.60 YPC) in a breakout 2011 season after replacing Damien Berry and Graig Cooper as the Hurricanes' feature back. Listed at 5'11/212, Miller is expected to be in the mix as the second running back off the board behind Alabama's Trent Richardson. Miller was timed at 4.3-flat in the forty-yard dash during his time on Miami's campus. Russ Lande of Sporting News has projected Miller as a likely first-round pick.

 

[todisco1]

Nice.

 

[BigTex]

Not surprised.........good for him.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Anyone think this guy would be perfect for the Redskins?

 

[Cipherchris]

is he the best RB after Trent ? or does that go to Polk?

 

[yellowdog]

Anyone think this guy would be perfect for the Redskins Bengals?

Yes

 

[B Maverick]

reports he could push trent for the top RB taken. He is the #2 rb in the draft.

I know Shanny struck gold with Portis, but Helu looks GOOD and they have so many holes, why would they go there? (other then its shanny and he loves to mess with FFers)

 

[Don Quixote]

reports he could push trent for the top RB taken. He is the #2 rb in the draft.I know Shanny struck gold with Portis, but Helu looks GOOD and they have so many holes, why would they go there? (other then its shanny and he loves to mess with FFers)

I think the Skins comment above is because Miller would be great in a zone blocking scheme. I'm not sure how many other teams run that scheme. Houston and Seattle come to mind as others.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

reports he could push trent for the top RB taken. He is the #2 rb in the draft.I know Shanny struck gold with Portis, but Helu looks GOOD and they have so many holes, why would they go there? (other then its shanny and he loves to mess with FFers)

I'm a big fan of David Wilson.T RichardsonD. WilsonL. MillerB. PierceC. PolkI. Pead

 

[BigTex]

reports he could push trent for the top RB taken. He is the #2 rb in the draft.I know Shanny struck gold with Portis, but Helu looks GOOD and they have so many holes, why would they go there? (other then its shanny and he loves to mess with FFers)

I'm a big fan of David Wilson.T RichardsonD. WilsonL. MillerB. PierceC. PolkI. Pead

Wilson hasn't declared yet. Where do you rank Martin?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

reports he could push trent for the top RB taken. He is the #2 rb in the draft.I know Shanny struck gold with Portis, but Helu looks GOOD and they have so many holes, why would they go there? (other then its shanny and he loves to mess with FFers)

I think the Skins comment above is because Miller would be great in a zone blocking scheme. I'm not sure how many other teams run that scheme. Houston and Seattle come to mind as others.

Yeah, that's exactly it. I guess there are actually several other teams running some type of ZBS, but no one runs it like Shanny and his former assistant Kubiak. I haven't really watched enough of Helu to know whether I believe in him or not. I know there's been a lot of Shanny backs that put up decent numbers for a while only to get replaced.

 

[jurb26]

is he the best RB after Trent ? or does that go to Polk?

He is the 2nd best RB in the draft. Wilson, should he declare, will be nipping at his heals but Miller is very underrated prospect right now. The guy has the goods.

 

[jurb26]

I posted these in another thread earlier today but will do it again here. Early rookie rankings.

RB

Richardson, Bama

L. Miller, Miami

D.Wilson, VTech

Ball, Wisc

Polk, Wash

James, Oregon

Peirce, Temple

 

[BigTex]

is he the best RB after Trent ? or does that go to Polk?

He is the 2nd best RB in the draft. Wilson, should he declare, will be nipping at his heals but Miller is very underrated prospect right now. The guy has the goods.

I'm kinda torn between the two. I give Miller the edge at this point but not by much. He's runs seems natural and he flows as if he's giving it no real effort yet he's difficult to catch.

 

[BigTex]

I posted these in another thread earlier today but will do it again here. Early rookie rankings.RBRichardson, BamaL. Miller, MiamiD.Wilson, VTechBall, WiscPolk, WashJames, OregonPeirce, Temple

I like your rankings, we are very close most of the time. I do have Martin at #4. I didn't really appreciate him until I watched several games this year and I was amazed by what I saw. No question he'll be in most people's top 5 when the draft comes around in April.

 

[jurb26]

I posted these in another thread earlier today but will do it again here. Early rookie rankings.RBRichardson, BamaL. Miller, MiamiD.Wilson, VTechBall, WiscPolk, WashJames, OregonPeirce, Temple

I like your rankings, we are very close most of the time. I do have Martin at #4. I didn't really appreciate him until I watched several games this year and I was amazed by what I saw. No question he'll be in most people's top 5 when the draft comes around in April.

I didn't forget about Martin. I've intentionally left him out until I can see more of him. My guess is he will land at 6 on my list but could be anywhere between 4 and 8. I just need to do more research.

 

[bengalbuck]

I posted these in another thread earlier today but will do it again here. Early rookie rankings.RBRichardson, BamaL. Miller, MiamiD.Wilson, VTechBall, WiscPolk, WashJames, OregonPeirce, Temple

I like your rankings, we are very close most of the time. I do have Martin at #4. I didn't really appreciate him until I watched several games this year and I was amazed by what I saw. No question he'll be in most people's top 5 when the draft comes around in April.

I think I'm with you on Martin. He has a great build and catches the ball really well for a guy with that muscular of a build. I think the one thing I'm a little leery of with him is whether or not he's too stiff and muscle bound to change direction as quickly as needed. If he proves that isn't an issue at the combine and All Star games, I like him as one of the top 5 RBs along with Richardson, Miller, Wilson (if he declares) and Polk.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I posted these in another thread earlier today but will do it again here. Early rookie rankings.RBRichardson, BamaL. Miller, MiamiD.Wilson, VTechBall, WiscPolk, WashJames, OregonPeirce, Temple

I think James could move up this list depending on where he lands. But I like this initial list.

 

[BigTex]

I posted these in another thread earlier today but will do it again here. Early rookie rankings.RBRichardson, BamaL. Miller, MiamiD.Wilson, VTechBall, WiscPolk, WashJames, OregonPeirce, Temple

I like your rankings, we are very close most of the time. I do have Martin at #4. I didn't really appreciate him until I watched several games this year and I was amazed by what I saw. No question he'll be in most people's top 5 when the draft comes around in April.

I didn't forget about Martin. I've intentionally left him out until I can see more of him. My guess is he will land at 6 on my list but could be anywhere between 4 and 8. I just need to do more research.

Gotcha, I wasn't sure myself until I watched his game and can't believe he hasn't received more love but it's probably due to what you just mentioned.

 

[BigTex]

I posted these in another thread earlier today but will do it again here. Early rookie rankings.RBRichardson, BamaL. Miller, MiamiD.Wilson, VTechBall, WiscPolk, WashJames, OregonPeirce, Temple

I like your rankings, we are very close most of the time. I do have Martin at #4. I didn't really appreciate him until I watched several games this year and I was amazed by what I saw. No question he'll be in most people's top 5 when the draft comes around in April.

I think I'm with you on Martin. He has a great build and catches the ball really well for a guy with that muscular of a build. I think the one thing I'm a little leery of with him is whether or not he's too stiff and muscle bound to change direction as quickly as needed. If he proves that isn't an issue at the combine and All Star games, I like him as one of the top 5 RBs along with Richardson, Miller, Wilson (if he declares) and Polk.

Agreed, my only issue with Polk are injury related, he's had several.

 

[MAC_32]

Pretty sure I've settled on my pre draft top 3

Richardson - best prospect I've seen in a decade

Miller

Ball - just doesn't have the physical ceiling Miller does, although I'd feel more comfortable with him

I think Polk's combine is going to vault him to #4, but I need to see it first. I think he's a crazy athlete, but just haven't seen the wow factor on the field.

After that I can be pulled in a number of different directions, I like Martin but he doesn't blow me away and I think Wilson's getting over hyped. Decent running back. Nothing special. He could really use another year in school.

 

[BeTheMatch]

 

[jurb26]

Pretty sure I've settled on my pre draft top 3

Richardson - best prospect I've seen in a decade

Miller

Ball - just doesn't have the physical ceiling Miller does, although I'd feel more comfortable with him

I think Polk's combine is going to vault him to #4, but I need to see it first. I think he's a crazy athlete, but just haven't seen the wow factor on the field.

After that I can be pulled in a number of different directions, I like Martin but he doesn't blow me away and I think Wilson's getting over hyped. Decent running back. Nothing special. He could really use another year in school.

Regarding Ball... has a guy ever put up as big a season and been less talked about? I liked Waldman's article on him a great deal and agree that he is being weighed down buy the Wisconsin perception of dominant Oline play and less than stellar NFL RB performance. Ball should be getting more respect. Maybe the off-season stuff will help him.

 

[MAC_32]

Pretty sure I've settled on my pre draft top 3

Richardson - best prospect I've seen in a decade

Miller

Ball - just doesn't have the physical ceiling Miller does, although I'd feel more comfortable with him

I think Polk's combine is going to vault him to #4, but I need to see it first. I think he's a crazy athlete, but just haven't seen the wow factor on the field.

After that I can be pulled in a number of different directions, I like Martin but he doesn't blow me away and I think Wilson's getting over hyped. Decent running back. Nothing special. He could really use another year in school.

Regarding Ball... has a guy ever put up as big a season and been less talked about? I liked Waldman's article on him a great deal and agree that he is being weighed down buy the Wisconsin perception of dominant Oline play and less than stellar NFL RB performance. Ball should be getting more respect. Maybe the off-season stuff will help him.

His problems are Wisconsin running back pedigree and the fact that 3/5 of his line will be top 50 picks.Obviously the o line helped, but the pedigree is a joke. Ball isn't anything like any other rb that's come through that school. If the Browns pass on Richardson and he's still there with the round 2 pick I'd love to see him here. Although I'm sure Ball dyno owners won't like to see him here.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Pretty sure I've settled on my pre draft top 3

Richardson - best prospect I've seen in a decade

Miller

Ball - just doesn't have the physical ceiling Miller does, although I'd feel more comfortable with him

I think Polk's combine is going to vault him to #4, but I need to see it first. I think he's a crazy athlete, but just haven't seen the wow factor on the field.

After that I can be pulled in a number of different directions, I like Martin but he doesn't blow me away and I think Wilson's getting over hyped. Decent running back. Nothing special. He could really use another year in school.

Regarding Ball... has a guy ever put up as big a season and been less talked about? I liked Waldman's article on him a great deal and agree that he is being weighed down buy the Wisconsin perception of dominant Oline play and less than stellar NFL RB performance. Ball should be getting more respect. Maybe the off-season stuff will help him.

His problems are Wisconsin running back pedigree and the fact that 3/5 of his line will be top 50 picks.Obviously the o line helped, but the pedigree is a joke. Ball isn't anything like any other rb that's come through that school. If the Browns pass on Richardson and he's still there with the round 2 pick I'd love to see him here. Although I'm sure Ball dyno owners won't like to see him here.

Wasn't this the same case with Mark Ingram? Just sayin

 

[gandalas]

Don't sleep on Boom Herron from Ohio State either....

1155 yards and 16 TDs last season in a split role.

596 yards and 3 TDs in only 6 games this season on our limited as hell offense. REALLY looked like the best player on the field once he came back.

I don't necessarily think he will be drafted in the first 2 rounds, but I think he could have major success at the next level. Was MUCH better than Brandon Saine the years that they played together, and look at Saine now.

 

[eakfootball]

Easily a first rounder, better prospect than any back in the the last 3 years. Position need will push him farther down than he should go, but he would be a great pick for Cincy IMO. He has good size, great burst, and great instincts. Probably won't be a 20+ touch a game guy, but should be a solid bet to be on the heavier load side of a committee. Reminds me a bit of Felix Jones without the injurys.

 

[Cipherchris]

I watched all televised UM game this season (being in South Florida that would be nearly all he games), and Miller slowed down significantly in the last few games, and now i found out why. He's gonna get surgery done ASAP and won't be doing heavy stuff at the Combine. Possibly only workout during his pro day, does that chance his draft stock?

 

[Xue]

Surgery is for his shoulder so that means no benching and catching drills. Should be fine for everything else. Don't think it will hurt him much. Should be a steal if he falls.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I like Lamar Miller a good bit, but I think he's being a bit overrated in here. He's shown good speed and good power, but I don't think he's elite in either of those 2 categories. He also has a tendency to dance in the backfield at times. He still looks like a pretty safe pick, I just don't think he's gonna be a superstar in the NFL.

I like David Wilson's chances at super stardom more. Wilson looks quicker, and his absolute refusal to go down amazes me every time I watch him. Wilson's a bit long legged making him more susceptible to injuries imo, but I think he has more upside than Miller.

 

[MAC_32]

Pretty sure I've settled on my pre draft top 3

Richardson - best prospect I've seen in a decade

Miller

Ball - just doesn't have the physical ceiling Miller does, although I'd feel more comfortable with him

I think Polk's combine is going to vault him to #4, but I need to see it first. I think he's a crazy athlete, but just haven't seen the wow factor on the field.

After that I can be pulled in a number of different directions, I like Martin but he doesn't blow me away and I think Wilson's getting over hyped. Decent running back. Nothing special. He could really use another year in school.

Regarding Ball... has a guy ever put up as big a season and been less talked about? I liked Waldman's article on him a great deal and agree that he is being weighed down buy the Wisconsin perception of dominant Oline play and less than stellar NFL RB performance. Ball should be getting more respect. Maybe the off-season stuff will help him.

His problems are Wisconsin running back pedigree and the fact that 3/5 of his line will be top 50 picks.Obviously the o line helped, but the pedigree is a joke. Ball isn't anything like any other rb that's come through that school. If the Browns pass on Richardson and he's still there with the round 2 pick I'd love to see him here. Although I'm sure Ball dyno owners won't like to see him here.

Wasn't this the same case with Mark Ingram? Just sayin

What's wrong with Ingram?

 

[MAC_32]

Don't sleep on Boom Herron from Ohio State either....1155 yards and 16 TDs last season in a split role.596 yards and 3 TDs in only 6 games this season on our limited as hell offense. REALLY looked like the best player on the field once he came back.I don't necessarily think he will be drafted in the first 2 rounds, but I think he could have major success at the next level. Was MUCH better than Brandon Saine the years that they played together, and look at Saine now.

Saine played a large part in Boom's success. He was a great mentor for him and Boom's the type that needs that to succeed, in game and on the practice field. I won't feel comfortable with Boom getting that same mentoring until I see where he goes, and when. He's got skills, but I really question his heart.

 

[bengalbuck]

Don't sleep on Boom Herron from Ohio State either....1155 yards and 16 TDs last season in a split role.596 yards and 3 TDs in only 6 games this season on our limited as hell offense. REALLY looked like the best player on the field once he came back.I don't necessarily think he will be drafted in the first 2 rounds, but I think he could have major success at the next level. Was MUCH better than Brandon Saine the years that they played together, and look at Saine now.

Saine played a large part in Boom's success. He was a great mentor for him and Boom's the type that needs that to succeed, in game and on the practice field. I won't feel comfortable with Boom getting that same mentoring until I see where he goes, and when. He's got skills, but I really question his heart.

Where are you getting this stuff from?Boom is an absolute warrior who has been known for his work ethic and enthusiasm his whole career. In fact, people really questioned his physical talent coming out of HS and it was said by many the only reason he was offered by OSU was due to his tremendous work ethic...

 

[cvnpoka]

herron has the worst vision and first down sense of any rb i have ever seen. id be shocked if he can hang around the league.

 

[MAC_32]

Don't sleep on Boom Herron from Ohio State either....1155 yards and 16 TDs last season in a split role.596 yards and 3 TDs in only 6 games this season on our limited as hell offense. REALLY looked like the best player on the field once he came back.I don't necessarily think he will be drafted in the first 2 rounds, but I think he could have major success at the next level. Was MUCH better than Brandon Saine the years that they played together, and look at Saine now.

Saine played a large part in Boom's success. He was a great mentor for him and Boom's the type that needs that to succeed, in game and on the practice field. I won't feel comfortable with Boom getting that same mentoring until I see where he goes, and when. He's got skills, but I really question his heart.

Where are you getting this stuff from?Boom is an absolute warrior who has been known for his work ethic and enthusiasm his whole career. In fact, people really questioned his physical talent coming out of HS and it was said by many the only reason he was offered by OSU was due to his tremendous work ethic...

People at Ohio St.I know more about Ohio St than a Michigan fan is comfortable knowing.

 

[Todem]

I like Lamar Miller a good bit, but I think he's being a bit overrated in here. He's shown good speed and good power, but I don't think he's elite in either of those 2 categories. He also has a tendency to dance in the backfield at times. He still looks like a pretty safe pick, I just don't think he's gonna be a superstar in the NFL.

I like David Wilson's chances at super stardom more. Wilson looks quicker, and his absolute refusal to go down amazes me every time I watch him. Wilson's a bit long legged making him more susceptible to injuries imo, but I think he has more upside than Miller.

He has ELITE football speed.He will be a star in the NFL. He will be a solid 20 touch guy. Can catch, run inside and out. A dynamic back in the Clinton Portis mold.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I like Lamar Miller a good bit, but I think he's being a bit overrated in here. He's shown good speed and good power, but I don't think he's elite in either of those 2 categories. He also has a tendency to dance in the backfield at times. He still looks like a pretty safe pick, I just don't think he's gonna be a superstar in the NFL.

I like David Wilson's chances at super stardom more. Wilson looks quicker, and his absolute refusal to go down amazes me every time I watch him. Wilson's a bit long legged making him more susceptible to injuries imo, but I think he has more upside than Miller.

He has ELITE football speed.He will be a star in the NFL. He will be a solid 20 touch guy. Can catch, run inside and out. A dynamic back in the Clinton Portis mold.

When I think ELITE speed at the RB position I think of guys like Jamaal Charles, Jahvid Best, and Adrian Peterson; I don't think Lamar Miller belongs in that group. That doesn't mean he won't be successful, you don't need elite speed to be a good NFL RB. If Miller fails, I don't think it'll be because he's too slow.

 

[Cookiemonster]

He looks sub 4.4 to me, but looks like he slows down too much and has to reload when changing direction. He's obviously a big, strong, fast RB but I see deficiencies in COD, vision and balance. Not terribly lacking, but it just seems too easy for the 2nd guy to get him after he makes the 1st one miss. He looks plenty strong enough, as he continually knocks the 1st defender backwards, and sometimes on his butt, but it seems like once someone gets arms on him he is going down. I don't see him busting through tacklers as often as I'd hope for a 2nd back in a draft.

 

[Todem]

I like Lamar Miller a good bit, but I think he's being a bit overrated in here. He's shown good speed and good power, but I don't think he's elite in either of those 2 categories. He also has a tendency to dance in the backfield at times. He still looks like a pretty safe pick, I just don't think he's gonna be a superstar in the NFL.

I like David Wilson's chances at super stardom more. Wilson looks quicker, and his absolute refusal to go down amazes me every time I watch him. Wilson's a bit long legged making him more susceptible to injuries imo, but I think he has more upside than Miller.

He has ELITE football speed.He will be a star in the NFL. He will be a solid 20 touch guy. Can catch, run inside and out. A dynamic back in the Clinton Portis mold.

When I think ELITE speed at the RB position I think of guys like Jamaal Charles, Jahvid Best, and Adrian Peterson; I don't think Lamar Miller belongs in that group. That doesn't mean he won't be successful, you don't need elite speed to be a good NFL RB. If Miller fails, I don't think it'll be because he's too slow.

No you don't need elite speed to be a great NFL RB totally agree.You left Chris Johnson off your elite speed list though. He is IMO the best change of direction RB (other than Barry Sanders) I have ever seen. The guy maintains top speed once he get's there but can cut ever so slightly without having to start again. Truly special in that regard.

Jamaal Charles is a tremendous back. I loved him coming out of college but I always felt he needed a full NFL off-season or 2 to develop the lower body strength needed to become a force. I have the same feelings for Lamar Miller. Give him a full NFL off-season and by year 2 in the league he will become a deadly home run hitter at the RB position.

ADP was already a beast coming out of school. Same for Mark Ingram who despite his luke warm rookie season (no fault of is as he does not get enough touches to show what a bell cow he really is).

I will stand by my assessment of Lamar Miller having tremendous upside in being a great multi-pupose back.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Jamaal Charles is a tremendous back. I loved him coming out of college but I always felt he needed a full NFL off-season or 2 to develop the lower body strength needed to become a force. I have the same feelings for Lamar Miller. Give him a full NFL off-season and by year 2 in the league he will become a deadly home run hitter at the RB position.

This sounds a lot like LeSean McCoy to me. He did nothing as a rookie and seemed like he'd maybe be a bust. Then he was just a completely different player in year 2. It was amazing to see.

 

[Kirby]

Anyone think this guy would be perfect for the Redskins Bengals?

Yes

Miller and a CB or WR with the back to back picks.

 

[tdmills]

Jamaal Charles is a tremendous back. I loved him coming out of college but I always felt he needed a full NFL off-season or 2 to develop the lower body strength needed to become a force. I have the same feelings for Lamar Miller. Give him a full NFL off-season and by year 2 in the league he will become a deadly home run hitter at the RB position.

This sounds a lot like LeSean McCoy to me. He did nothing as a rookie and seemed like he'd maybe be a bust. Then he was just a completely different player in year 2. It was amazing to see.

Lamar Miller doesn't have the agility of LeSean McCoy, poor comparison.

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

Given his age, I'd be tempted to RBBC him the first year.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Jamaal Charles is a tremendous back. I loved him coming out of college but I always felt he needed a full NFL off-season or 2 to develop the lower body strength needed to become a force. I have the same feelings for Lamar Miller. Give him a full NFL off-season and by year 2 in the league he will become a deadly home run hitter at the RB position.

This sounds a lot like LeSean McCoy to me. He did nothing as a rookie and seemed like he'd maybe be a bust. Then he was just a completely different player in year 2. It was amazing to see.

Lamar Miller doesn't have the agility of LeSean McCoy, poor comparison.

I wasn't comparing Miller to McCoy. I was saying the idea of it taking a year to acclimate to the NFL game is what happened with McCoy.

 

[bengalbuck]

Don't sleep on Boom Herron from Ohio State either....

1155 yards and 16 TDs last season in a split role.

596 yards and 3 TDs in only 6 games this season on our limited as hell offense. REALLY looked like the best player on the field once he came back.

I don't necessarily think he will be drafted in the first 2 rounds, but I think he could have major success at the next level. Was MUCH better than Brandon Saine the years that they played together, and look at Saine now.

Saine played a large part in Boom's success. He was a great mentor for him and Boom's the type that needs that to succeed, in game and on the practice field. I won't feel comfortable with Boom getting that same mentoring until I see where he goes, and when. He's got skills, but I really question his heart.

Where are you getting this stuff from?Boom is an absolute warrior who has been known for his work ethic and enthusiasm his whole career.

In fact, people really questioned his physical talent coming out of HS and it was said by many the only reason he was offered by OSU was due to his tremendous work ethic...

People at Ohio St.I know more about Ohio St than a Michigan fan is comfortable knowing.

No offense Michigan fan, but I think you're WAY off base with this stuff about Boom not being motivated, etc. In fact, I think what you are saying is the opposite of the truth and that Boom's intangibles are going to help not hurt his draft stock.

Here is further proof that what I have been saying in this thread is true, comments from Boom's teammates after being voted by his teammates as Team MVP:

MVP Musings: Some people were surprised to learn that fifth-year senior tailback Boom Herron was voted the Buckeyes’ MVP for the 2011 season. Among those was Herron himself.

“I actually didn’t vote for myself,” said Herron, who voted for junior fullback Zach Boren. “I was a little bit surprised.”

Herron earned that accolade despite missing the first six games of the season serving a pair of NCAA suspensions. He finished the regular season with 596 yards on 123 carries with three touchdowns.

Senior center Mike Brewster said Herron impressed his teammates with his attitude on and off the field.

“I think they recognized when he came back the energy that he brought,” Brewster said. “His talent set was awesome and his leadership was also much needed out there with a young team. He provided a spark for us, did everything asked of him and more.

“I’m definitely proud of him and I definitely think he earned it.”