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Interesting. For the draftnicks out there, if this scenario were the case. Would Miami be better off with a Jake Long/Quentin Groves combo or a Chris Long/Gosder Cherilus combo out of their first two picks?

The more I think about the draft, the more I think that Jake Long gives Miami more flexibility at #32 overall. We need a starting quality offensive lineman out of the draft and picking up Jake Long at #1 overall allows us to be more flexible with #32 and get some value out of someone slipping. If we go Chris Long, we're pretty much forced to take an offensive lineman with one of our next two picks and, depend on how the draft unfolds, that could make us reach instead of letting value fall to us.

 
I don't agree with anyone who mocks Carolina taking a RB in the 1st. Just can't see that happening.

 
Rooster said:
Interesting. For the draftnicks out there, if this scenario were the case. Would Miami be better off with a Jake Long/Quentin Groves combo or a Chris Long/Gosder Cherilus combo out of their first two picks? The more I think about the draft, the more I think that Jake Long gives Miami more flexibility at #32 overall. We need a starting quality offensive lineman out of the draft and picking up Jake Long at #1 overall allows us to be more flexible with #32 and get some value out of someone slipping. If we go Chris Long, we're pretty much forced to take an offensive lineman with one of our next two picks and, depend on how the draft unfolds, that could make us reach instead of letting value fall to us.
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I hope your right. I want my Rams to get Chris Long.
 
Tampa, 1-Desean Jackson 2- Joe Flacco 3- LB

Desean Jackson has been penciled in for the Bucs in just about every mock I have seen, but if Mike Jenkins is still there, I think they go him. Gruden liked Joe Flacco at the senior bowl, but I don't know if we need a 7th QB on the roster. LB is a possibility, but I think CB is a lock for the first 3 rounds.

Also, I am not a big fan of mock drafts with "potential trades" :goodposting:

 
Buckna said:
I don't agree with anyone who mocks Carolina taking a RB in the 1st. Just can't see that happening.
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Agreed. Way too much has been made of the fact that they worked out Mendenhall. Fact is they have scheduled visits with a dozen potential 1st rounders across many positions. They are merely doing their due dilligence. But because this was with a RB it made news and now this mock and also the one over at Football's Future have jumped on the Mendenhall-to-Carolina bandwagon. They have greater 1st round needs, and should fill their complementary RB need in round 2-3 with someone like Forte, Choice, etc. or even someone lower in the draft.
 
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Couch Potato said:
Buckna said:
I don't agree with anyone who mocks Carolina taking a RB in the 1st. Just can't see that happening.
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Agreed. Way too much has been made of the fact that they worked out Mendenhall. Fact is they have scheduled visits with a dozen potential 1st rounders across many positions. They are merely doing their due dilligence. But because this was with a RB it made news and now this mock and also the one over at Football's Future have jumped on the Mendenhall-to-Carolina bandwagon. They have greater 1st round needs, and should fill their complementary RB need in round 2-3 with someone like Forte, Choice, etc. or even someone lower in the draft.
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Yes, my thinking too. They'll add a RB at some point in the draft, just not in the first round.
 
general thoughts (GBN mock):

as rams fan, i'd like to see dorsey & groves... getting dorsey would allow rams to kick carriker outside to more natural DE position, effectively making them better at two positions... but little & hall are old & may retire soon, so the shock troops need reinforcements...

not sure if groves would be there, but i wouldn't mind if they had him graded higher than available WR or CB, other potentially pressing needs, as well as OT as depth & to groom for future...

devin thomas to BUF at 1.11 perhaps a gutsy call, but maybe not too big a reach, as he could fly up the board...

mayo is intersting pick to DET (& rivers dropping to TEN), but he would look good next to sims...

not sure SF would take rachal ahead of cherilus...

manningham to WAS in 2nd - he isn't a smurf, but not a big WR complement to moss/randle-el...

lot of teams potentially interested in flacco at top of 2nd, so not sure he lasts to TB at pick 52...

i don't think doucet lasts to DAL at 61...

doubt keller lasts until 77 with his post-season work...

 
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I think GBN hit the nail on the head and atlanta will go with long and henne(if possible) and on a related note I disagree with kirwan that they take dorsey over long. I know they like both guys but think jake long is their #1 choice

 
kirwan comments:

i like albert at 9... not sure to NE, but i think he is moving up, & this mock reflects that possible surge better than many others i have seen recently... NE did have an unbelievable season, & OL was great most of the season, but they were exposed a bit, & albert would make OL even stronger (big athlete with flexibility to play nearly every position on OL... that is a hallmark of belichick/pioli profile players... versatility & flexibility), & help them to even better leverage their strengths... brady, moss & welker... maybe another team trades up to snare albert...

same thomas to BUF pick...

stewart at 1.22 to DAL... he could be there... barber & stewart would be a nasty RBBC (though that wouldn't make fantasy owners happy)...

don't think rivers lasts to SF

like brohm to GB, but don't think it will happen...

* on earlier mendenhall to CAR, i think OL/DL bigger need, too... but i'm high on williams... it wouldn't shock me at all if they added mendenhall, let alone cause me to doubt the rest of GBNs mock... :confused: no doubt that can be judged on its own merits, & stands & falls on many other picks, not just that one...

 
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kirwan comments:stewart at 1.22 to DAL... he could be there... barber & stewart would be a nasty RBBC (though that wouldn't make fantasy owners happy)...
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Don't see why they would take Stewart having Barber, as they are the same type of RB, bruising runners. Everything I've read, seen, and have heard is that they are targetting Felix Jones, and actually prefer him to Stewart and Mendenhall, for their situation.
 
switz said:
Buckna said:
I don't agree with anyone who mocks Carolina taking a RB in the 1st. Just can't see that happening.
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I'd be shocked :confused: if they don't draft an RB in the first or second.
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Ditto. I don't think the team is sold on Williams - even after getting rid of Foster. Kirwan's been money when it comes to picking the Packers' first-round pick the past few years. That has me concerned since I don't believe Brohm is who they should be targeting. If he's the best guy on the board, I'd like to see Thompson trade down.
 
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Bob Magaw said:
kirwan comments:stewart at 1.22 to DAL... he could be there... barber & stewart would be a nasty RBBC (though that wouldn't make fantasy owners happy)...
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Don't see why they would take Stewart having Barber, as they are the same type of RB, bruising runners. Everything I've read, seen, and have heard is that they are targetting Felix Jones, and actually prefer him to Stewart and Mendenhall, for their situation.
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they (barber & stewart) are both big & strong... stewart is bigger & much faster, probably more explosive in the second level (maybe steven jackson-like?)... since barber & stewart have fairly complete skills sets (run, block & catch), it wouldn't hurt to have both in RBBC... if barber were to go down, stewart probably would fare better than jones if called upon to be feature RB...
 
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Is Dallas really going to take a RB in the first round? This seems like one of those draftnik fantasies that has caught on like wildfire for some mysterious reason. I don't think they have a pressing need with Barber in the fold. There will be quality depth available in the 2nd-5th round range.

 
Interesting. If this were to hold true, there's alot of RBs with chances to start next year

DMC to Oak, i see him being game 1 starter

Stewart NYJ, game 1 starter, or shortly thereafter

Mendenhall to Car, dont see this happening

Felix to Dal, good change of pace to keep barber fresh

Charles to Chi, bye bye benson

Rice to Det, WAAAAAAY better than tinker bell

Foote to GB, RBBC just got bigger

slaton to Ten, blubber and lightning?

Kev Smith to Sea, might have to wait until next yr to start with that crowded backfield

Choice to Indy, backup

Johnson to AZ RBBC yr 1, starter next yr

 
King of the Wolfies said:
Interesting. If this were to hold true, there's alot of RBs with chances to start next year

DMC to Oak, i see him being game 1 starter

Stewart NYJ, game 1 starter, or shortly thereafter

Mendenhall to Car, dont see this happening

Felix to Dal, good change of pace to keep barber fresh

Charles to Chi, bye bye benson

Rice to Det, WAAAAAAY better than tinker bell

Foote to GB, RBBC just got bigger

slaton to Ten, blubber and lightning?

Kev Smith to Sea, might have to wait until next yr to start with that crowded backfield

Choice to Indy, backup

Johnson to AZ RBBC yr 1, starter next yr
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See my poll :thumbup:
 
EBF said:
Is Dallas really going to take a RB in the first round? This seems like one of those draftnik fantasies that has caught on like wildfire for some mysterious reason. I don't think they have a pressing need with Barber in the fold. There will be quality depth available in the 2nd-5th round range.
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Haven't really understood this logic either. If you are going to spend the #22 on a rookie RB, why didn't they just keep Julius? (Queue the 'because he sucks' comments.) Julius ended up signing with Seattle for around the same $ as the #22 is going to get.Felix Jones going to them in a lot of mocks seems to me to be influenced by the whole Jerry Jones/Arkansas connection.
 
Those RB selections are way too convenient. It never works out so cleanly with the best prospects landing in the best situations. You can almost bank on a few screwy picks happening every year like Peterson to the Vikings, Bush to the Saints, Jackson to the Rams, Perry to the Bengals, LJ to the Chiefs, McGahee to Buffalo, and McAllister to the Saints. This sort of stuff happens every year. It's why I don't put a lot of stock in mock drafts.

For all we know McFadden will go to the Patriots, Mendenhall to the Bengals, Chris Johnson to Dallas, and Stewart to San Diego. You can bet that however it shakes out, there are going to be some talented prospects buried behind solid starters and some marginal prospects thrust into intriguing opportunities.

 
Buckna said:
EBF said:
Is Dallas really going to take a RB in the first round? This seems like one of those draftnik fantasies that has caught on like wildfire for some mysterious reason. I don't think they have a pressing need with Barber in the fold. There will be quality depth available in the 2nd-5th round range.
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Haven't really understood this logic either. If you are going to spend the #22 on a rookie RB, why didn't they just keep Julius? (Queue the 'because he sucks' comments.) Julius ended up signing with Seattle for around the same $ as the #22 is going to get.Felix Jones going to them in a lot of mocks seems to me to be influenced by the whole Jerry Jones/Arkansas connection.
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I don't buy Felix to Dallas for a few reasons:1. I'm not convinced Dallas wants to use a top 30 pick on a backup runner. They have much bigger needs.2. Even if they take a back, I'm not convinced it will be Jones. I see Chris Johnson being taken before Felix. In any event, it doesn't make much sense for Dallas to draft a backup RB in the first round and it seems totally inconsistent with their recent drafting history. This is a team on the cusp of a Super Bowl run. They can't afford to use their top picks on extraneous depth when there are going to be good backs available throughout the top 150. If they need a change of pace then they should look at someone like Slaton in round 3.
 
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EBF said:
Buckna said:
EBF said:
Is Dallas really going to take a RB in the first round? This seems like one of those draftnik fantasies that has caught on like wildfire for some mysterious reason. I don't think they have a pressing need with Barber in the fold. There will be quality depth available in the 2nd-5th round range.
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Haven't really understood this logic either. If you are going to spend the #22 on a rookie RB, why didn't they just keep Julius? (Queue the 'because he sucks' comments.) Julius ended up signing with Seattle for around the same $ as the #22 is going to get.Felix Jones going to them in a lot of mocks seems to me to be influenced by the whole Jerry Jones/Arkansas connection.
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I don't buy Felix to Dallas for a few reasons:1. I'm not convinced Dallas wants to use a top 30 pick on a backup runner. They have much bigger needs.

2. Even if they take a back, I'm not convinced it will be Jones. I see Chris Johnson being taken before Felix.

In any event, it doesn't make much sense for Dallas to draft a backup RB in the first round and it seems totally inconsistent with their recent drafting history. This is a team on the cusp of a Super Bowl run. They can't afford to use their top picks on extraneous depth when there are going to be good backs available throughout the top 150. If they need a change of pace then they should look at someone like Slaton in round 3.
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This was my take on Dallas in general and the 1st round RB idea is very possible. They are focused on two positions, CB and RB. I haven't liked the Felix projections all along and for exactly the reason you point out. Give me Chris Johnson or Ray Rice if you have to take an RB there. I prefer two DBs. Stewart could fall, and they have had him in. Mendenhall also cost them one of their 30 visits. The link does explain the very real possibility based on what's been said and done from the organization, not my conjecture.
 
BigJim® said:
Bob Magaw said:
stewart is bigger & much faster
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What are you basing this on? Stewart ran a 4.48 at the combine, as did Barber at his pro-day workout.
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i forgot barber timed that fast... he doesn't seem to play that fast to me... not that he isn't fast, & is a great player with all around game, but i don't think of breakaway, elite speed as one of his attributes...maybe stewart is faster once he is up to full, top-end speed... he was a sprint star on his college track team, & not sure if barber was THAT fast, though like i said, he isn't slow... a lot of RBs are fast in the NFL, & it is a matter of degree...

 
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I like the GBN mock, as it has quite a few interesting picks.

Someone will likely trade into the #5-7 spot for a chance at Dorsey or Ellis if the Raiders pass on them with the #4. The Bengals and Saints are the most likely candidates.

Mayo to the Lions in the first is a huge surprise and I expect he will fall to the late first at best and more than likely be available in the second. Rivers dropping to the Titans is another huge surprise since he has been tabbed as a top 10 prospect by most and recent success by other highly projected LBs (Hawk, Willis) would make me think most GMs would jump all over him.

Ryan to Baltimore is very interesting. I know the Chiefs need OT help badly, but would they pass on a franchise QB? I'm not sold. Henne to Atlanta ... could happen, but I'm thinking Flacco is their guy.

I agree with an earlier poster that too many of these picks are just too perfect and that things rarely if ever fall this way.

As for Kirwin's draft ... I have trouble with any mock that changes 22 out of 31 picks in one week. How can your thinking change that much?

 
I really like the pick of Gholston to Mia over Chris Long. Gholston has better upside and would fit into the 3-4 far better. Of course I still think they should take Jake Long.

 
Bob Magaw said:
BigJim® said:
Bob Magaw said:
stewart is bigger & much faster
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What are you basing this on? Stewart ran a 4.48 at the combine, as did Barber at his pro-day workout.
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i forgot barber timed that fast... he doesn't seem to play that fast to me... not that he isn't fast, & is a great player with all around game, but i don't think of breakaway, elite speed as one of his attributes...maybe stewart is faster once he is up to full, top-end speed... he was a sprint star on his college track team, & not sure if barber was THAT fast, though like i said, he isn't slow... a lot of RBs are fast in the NFL, & it is a matter of degree...
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Stewart also timed slow due to a toe injury... but the problem with Stewart is that toe injuries are hard to recover fully from. But Stewart when healthy is much faster than Barber.
 
Bob Magaw said:
BigJim® said:
Bob Magaw said:
stewart is bigger & much faster
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What are you basing this on? Stewart ran a 4.48 at the combine, as did Barber at his pro-day workout.
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i forgot barber timed that fast... he doesn't seem to play that fast to me... not that he isn't fast, & is a great player with all around game, but i don't think of breakaway, elite speed as one of his attributes...maybe stewart is faster once he is up to full, top-end speed... he was a sprint star on his college track team, & not sure if barber was THAT fast, though like i said, he isn't slow... a lot of RBs are fast in the NFL, & it is a matter of degree...
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Stewart's Combine time reflects an injured toe in need of immediate surgery. This is one reason I hate an emphasis on the Combine. You were right the first time, Bob. Stewart is much faster than Barber. Stewart ran 4.3 40s every spring for three years in Oregon. That is not a program prone to exaggeration or a few other guys would have timed much better in the spring there. Stewart was the Pac 10 60 meter champ last spring. Stewart has sprinter's speed. He is faster than Mendenhall, faster than Rice, faster than Slaton and faster than Felix and a few other backs who timed better at the Combine. The film don't lie and Barber has never covered gridiron ground the way Stewart does.
 
Love his draft for GB.

I think if Brohm is gone, and no 1st rd RBs are there, they go CB. Second round of RB and OT sounds about right. You might see DE in there. And 3rd round QB is on the money... I've been hoping GB grabs Booty

 
One mock has the Pats trading up and another has them trading down. I can see either scenario playing out as the Pats are somewhat in no man's land at #7 unless someone like Gholston unexpectedly drops. I really like the three round mock as the Pats get quality players that also play positions that need to be addressed. As for Alberts I don't think it's out of the question but Kirwan's explanation (below) is faulty as BB has only used one first round pick on an O lineman (Mankins) in his tenure. If the Pats draft Alberts over a defensive player it will be because they feel he's a big time talent not because of any trend.

"Don't be surprised to see the Patriots look at their offensive line for two reasons. One, they gave up a lot of sacks and pressures in the Super Bowl; and two, Belichick has taken many big offensive linemen with his first-round picks. Albert can play guard or tackle. The Patriots did not sign any significant talent to help the offensive line so far in free agency."

 
Chaos Commish said:
This was my take on Dallas in general and the 1st round RB idea is very possible. They are focused on two positions, CB and RB. I haven't liked the Felix projections all along and for exactly the reason you point out. Give me Chris Johnson or Ray Rice if you have to take an RB there. I prefer two DBs. Stewart could fall, and they have had him in. Mendenhall also cost them one of their 30 visits. The link does explain the very real possibility based on what's been said and done from the organization, not my conjecture.
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I guess it's a possibility then. Doesn't seem like a great move from a value standpoint unless they can land Stewart. They have too many pressing needs to reach for Jones or Johnson, IMO.
 
added latest PFW mock (link in first post)... mcfadden to KC? stewart to NYJ... haven't seen either of those before...

 
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but i don't think of breakaway, elite speed as one of his attributes...
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Nor is Stewart's 4.48 breakaway, elite speed. But I understand you aren't ripping Barber. Myself, I've always thought Barber was surprisingly quick hitting gaps, changing directions and turning corners.
 
BigJim® said:
Bob Magaw said:
but i don't think of breakaway, elite speed as one of his attributes...
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Nor is Stewart's 4.48 breakaway, elite speed. But I understand you aren't ripping Barber. Myself, I've always thought Barber was surprisingly quick hitting gaps, changing directions and turning corners.
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we may be talking about two different things... barber is quick, but doesn't appear to have great top end speed... stewart ran same 40 time as barber... with a damaged toe... as CC said, stewart was pac 10 60 m champ... barber isn't that fast... when healthy, stewart has breakaway speed, & should be faster in the open field...
 
I gave up on mock drafts. I seen the experts say the Eagles are going to take

S, CB, OT, OG, DE, WR with their 1st pick.

lol

 
Bob Magaw said:
added latest PFW mock (link in first post)... mcfadden to KC? stewart to NYJ... haven't seen either of those before...
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They just spent $45M, $19M guaranteed last August on Larry Johnson. What on earth is the logic for this pick? :unsure:
 
switz said:
Couch Potato said:
switz said:
Buckna said:
I don't agree with anyone who mocks Carolina taking a RB in the 1st. Just can't see that happening.
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I'd be shocked :eek: if they don't draft an RB in the first or second.
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Yeah, we know you hate DeAngelo Williams. That's not news. :D
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If that were the reason I'd be surprised, then your reply would have some merit. :P
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I could see maybe as early as a 2nd rounder to compliment, but they already have a 1st round RB that they got only two years ago. Investing that heavily in a RBBC would be pretty foolish, especially when they can't keep their QB's upright or pressure the opposing teams QB's.
 
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Love his draft for GB. I think if Brohm is gone, and no 1st rd RBs are there, they go CB. Second round of RB and OT sounds about right. You might see DE in there. And 3rd round QB is on the money... I've been hoping GB grabs Booty
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Which one?In GBN, I do NOT like King in the first. At all.I'm OK with Brohm in the Kirwan draft. It makes some sense.And it looks to me like Jermichael Finley could possibly be there in the second/third for GB. I think that's the TE they really want.
 
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Jerome Simpson to Pittsburgh at #88 is better than where every WR before him went. Instantly would be my #1 FF WR. Malcolm Kelly has too many injury issues for my tastes. Hardy to SF is ok unless the Smith hack is the QB.
 
GB is definatly putting their eggs in the Rogers basket. NO CHANCE they spend that First rounder on a QB. Ted Thompson spent the weekend scouting John David Booty. I can see GB investing their late 2nd or third round pick in a QB because it doesnt look like they are goign to go the Veteran route to get a backup and need talent at that position, but there is no way that TT goes out and takes another in round one.

I think Booty is one of the QBs the Packers have their eye on and I think others who Fit what they need are Josh Johnson, Andre Woodson. I like Erik Ainge quite a bit in the Packers offense.

The pick in round 1 will be spent on a Corner. If Cromartie slips I think hes the guy. Thats the Packers biggest weakness. They dont need to look to replace Taucher and Clifton quite yet - they have so much cap room adn will for a while that the fact that their performance will not be a good value for their contract is not the biggest deal in the world.

 
Chaos Commish said:
EBF said:
Buckna said:
EBF said:
Is Dallas really going to take a RB in the first round? This seems like one of those draftnik fantasies that has caught on like wildfire for some mysterious reason. I don't think they have a pressing need with Barber in the fold. There will be quality depth available in the 2nd-5th round range.
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Haven't really understood this logic either. If you are going to spend the #22 on a rookie RB, why didn't they just keep Julius? (Queue the 'because he sucks' comments.) Julius ended up signing with Seattle for around the same $ as the #22 is going to get.Felix Jones going to them in a lot of mocks seems to me to be influenced by the whole Jerry Jones/Arkansas connection.
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I don't buy Felix to Dallas for a few reasons:1. I'm not convinced Dallas wants to use a top 30 pick on a backup runner. They have much bigger needs.

2. Even if they take a back, I'm not convinced it will be Jones. I see Chris Johnson being taken before Felix.

In any event, it doesn't make much sense for Dallas to draft a backup RB in the first round and it seems totally inconsistent with their recent drafting history. This is a team on the cusp of a Super Bowl run. They can't afford to use their top picks on extraneous depth when there are going to be good backs available throughout the top 150. If they need a change of pace then they should look at someone like Slaton in round 3.
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This was my take on Dallas in general and the 1st round RB idea is very possible. They are focused on two positions, CB and RB. I haven't liked the Felix projections all along and for exactly the reason you point out. Give me Chris Johnson or Ray Rice if you have to take an RB there. I prefer two DBs. Stewart could fall, and they have had him in. Mendenhall also cost them one of their 30 visits. The link does explain the very real possibility based on what's been said and done from the organization, not my conjecture.
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:( I think if Mendenhall or Stewart are there at 22 or 28, the Cowboys will take one of them. Otherwise, I think a Jamaal Charles, Ray Rice or Chris Johnson are the pick in the late second. I just don't see the Cowboys taking Jones in the first; wouldn't be good value. The big three RBs are far and above the next tier.

 
a_rackowski said:
GB is definatly putting their eggs in the Rogers basket. NO CHANCE they spend that First rounder on a QB. Ted Thompson spent the weekend scouting John David Booty. I can see GB investing their late 2nd or third round pick in a QB because it doesnt look like they are goign to go the Veteran route to get a backup and need talent at that position, but there is no way that TT goes out and takes another in round one.
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Actually, there have been rumors about AJ Feeley of Philly coming over to GB. Nevertheless, I agree that burning a 1st round pick on a QB is something that's just not going to happen.
 
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