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Latest Holdout - Plaxico Burress (1 Viewer)
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beavers
Footballguy
Isn't every year the year of the disgruntled WR?
TheFanatic
Footballguy
What is he getting paid?
Kruppe
Footballguy
Per Rotoworld: 3/17/2005: Signed a six-year, $25 million contract. The deal included a $5 million signing bonus. 2008: $3.25 million, 2009: $3.5 million, 2010: $3.75 million, 2011: Free AgentI believe he's collected ~$14.5mil so far for the first 3 yrs of his deal. Maybe slightly underpaid going forward but certainly not way out of whack. Especially since he collected about $8.5mil just this past season.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
Good luck Plax. My money is he plays this season without a new contract....
I usually have no problem with players negotiating new contracts when they over-perform their existing contract but Plax is being ridiciulous. He signed what was a lucrative WR contract three years ago and performed well but not out of this world (1200, 900, 1000 yds and good TD numbers). He is going to collect all $25 million and is being paid what he is worth. Maybe he can pull this junk 2 years from now, but only three years into a six year contract is way too soon. Maybe they should just fork over a 6 year signing bonus every other year.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
Who's his agent?
With this coming at the heels of Strahan's retirement announcement, I'm thinking his agent is putting a bug in his ear. This is almost fishy, being that we haven't heard any such frustrations out of the Burress camp to this point.
"Plax, Strahan retired. You can become the face of the franchise. Eli is nothing without you."
Blah, blah, blah.
I wouldn't rule it out.
With this coming at the heels of Strahan's retirement announcement, I'm thinking his agent is putting a bug in his ear. This is almost fishy, being that we haven't heard any such frustrations out of the Burress camp to this point.
"Plax, Strahan retired. You can become the face of the franchise. Eli is nothing without you."
Blah, blah, blah.
I wouldn't rule it out.
ceo3west
Footballguy
No doubt. I'm sick of these guys doing this in the middle of their contracts. I hope the Giants make him play 3 more years under that deal. These players need to learn that if they want the ability to negotiate more money in a year or two, THEN SIGN SHORTER CONTRACTS!!!
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
Did that surprise anyone else? It would not have been in my top few guesses.
Boston
Footballguy
If I remember correctly other teams were in no rush to give Plax big money when he was a free agent until the G-Men stepped up and gave him solid money. There's no reason for New York to do anything here as tearing up a six year contract after three years because the player is complaining would set a precedent that could cause some future headaches.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I don't let this kind of stuff bug me. The NFL is a business and a holdout is one of the ploys used in negotiations. Plax's problem is that he still has 3 more years and so he really can't hold out once the season starts. The Giants hold all of the cards here and unless they want to extend his contract he is screwed.ceo3west said:
SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
No kidding.Here's the facts.
Once the guaranteed money is paid out, the contract is pretty much worthless to the player, because the team can tear it up anytime they want.
Most of the time we read about these 6 year deals with X dollars attached, you will also hear that it isn't real money, it's a bunch of numbers configured to make the guaranteed money spread out for the salary cap.
A player's shelf life in this league is so short, I say go get paid if and when you can.
I think the reason people have a problem with players who do this is because they compare what the pro athletes make compared to what the average person really makes.
Andy Herron
Footballguy
That is rather odd. Although it's the "tandem" part that makes the separation from others. T.O. has 28 TDs over the last two years to lead the league in that duration (2006 and 2007), though part of 2006 was with Bledsoe. Moss, in his one year so far with Brady, had what...? 23 last year? Harrison missed most of last year due to injury, or he'd be up there with Peyton. So really it's a little bit scewed, but I can see where Rosenhaus and Plax can make a case for themselves here to some degree. It would indicate that both the Giants and Eli lean on him and he produces more than "many" other WR1's. Plax did play through that ankle problem nearly all of last year as well. Not a Giants fan at all, but I can see it (bargaining for a better contract).BuckeyeArt said:
T Bell
Footballguy
That's not the way it works because of the salary cap, and because contracts are non-guaranteed. Usually (but not always) it's presumed at the time of signing, by both the team and the player, that the contract will get renegotiated/extended or the player will get cut before the end of the deal, and of course with a non-guaranteed contract if the player's cut the salary's cut off. Holdouts and maneuvering for new contracts are part of life in the NFL. And besides, what do I care? It's not my money.ceo3west said:
lod01
Footballguy
He's way underpaid and everyone knows it. If Walker can command the kind of dough he got as a fraction of the talent of Burress, of course Burress should want more. On the otherhand, had Burress not acted like a dolt early on in his career, he wouldn't be in this situation. What was it again? Just the giants showing interest back when the Steelers let him leave? So he had to take whatever a team was offering. He had no leverage. That was his fault.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Moss and Owens are the best and they avg between $8-$10 Million and Plax is about 1/2 to 2/3 of the WR those guys are...I think he is right in line...maybe he should have only signed a 4 year deal. 6 years is way too long in this league. I think Moss and Owens have been smart signing 3 year deals as of late. Moss will get paid again at some point. This is likely Owens last big contract.
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Plax is screwed. He is 30 years old. If wants a new contract, he'll have to play at least one or two years under the existing contact. If the Giants don't was to resign a 32 year old WR to big money in early 2010, then they can let him walk in early 2011. But, then again, some WRs can play at high level wel into their 30s.
They are just hitting the point in the contract where they benefit from spreading the cap over six years and I don't see them dumping a new bonus on him until the contract is almost done.
The only levarge he has in this deal is to cause trouble. What he won't do is leave the $ that he currently has on the table and walk away for most of the season. More than likely, he is teeing the issue up for next year.
Plus, I don't think Rosenhaus has a real istory of clients with lengthy holdouts. He tends to have them barking about how unhappy they are without actually holding out too long. (I think).
They are just hitting the point in the contract where they benefit from spreading the cap over six years and I don't see them dumping a new bonus on him until the contract is almost done.
The only levarge he has in this deal is to cause trouble. What he won't do is leave the $ that he currently has on the table and walk away for most of the season. More than likely, he is teeing the issue up for next year.
Plus, I don't think Rosenhaus has a real istory of clients with lengthy holdouts. He tends to have them barking about how unhappy they are without actually holding out too long. (I think).
Redwes25
Footballguy
I really have no problems with players doing this since none of these contracts are guaranteed and the team will cut a player as soon as it makes the slightly bit of sense. Also, don't forget these long contracts are done on purpose to have the signing bonus get spread over the term of the contract. Of course since the signing bonus is really the only guaranteed money it forces large bonus and long contracts which really only benefit the teams.
How about this then? Leading WR's in terms of TD's caught the last 3 years:TO - 35Moss - 35Plax - 29The league salary cap has ballooned 35% in the last 3 years, there are lots of good nfl players out there that have yet to benefit as evidenced by the large number of teams well under the salary cap right now. Plax has exceeded expectations, many thought he would bomb once he left the Steelers. I'd probably pay him if it were me, he's probably got 2-3 good years left in him.Edit: If a guy like Jerry Porter can get $30M from JAX this offseason, I would be making waves too.
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BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
See this is why i posted the story about westbrook awile back...he`s a class act compared to these jokers who sign a contract and halfway thru they want to up the anty... 
QUOTE (Slinger @ May 4 2008, 02:59 PM)
QUOTE (BustedKnuckles @ May 4 2008, 04:22 PM)
QUOTE (Slinger @ May 4 2008, 01:28 PM)
"I'm paid," he said. "I signed a contract that was fair at that (time), so there's no sense in me crying about it now."
Would Westbrook say that if he was making the league minimum this year?
your missing the point....he had a fantastic year last season and could do what many other guys do....demand more $$$$ NOW instead of playing out his contract as it was written and agreed apon. I`m sure he will get his reward sooner than later from the team...but in the meantime he`s living up to his obligations as he is supposed to do without causing inner turmoil as so many others do.
The Eagles would let him sit a year if he pulled a TO or Chad Johnson. He's at an advance age for a RB, so while he performed very well last year, he's not going to score a 50 million contract. You don't get paid in the NFL for what you did in the past.
If he were to sit out or demand more money I wouldn't blame him, nor would his teammates. It's a business first, game second and everyone on the Eagles squad wants to get theirs. But, like I said, the Eagles wouldn't tolerate it if he became a drama queen, so it's not like he's purposely taking less money "for the team".
Who said ANYTHING about ''if'' he was taking less money...now your creating new scenerios. He is simply doing what he is supposed to do...playing out his conract that he signed. Allot of guys in his postition would be holding out or making a huge stink thus disrupting the team istead of Honoring thier contracts.
Its unfortunate that one would even half to point this out,but with all the agents and primadona players out there this is refreshing.
Another thing...your WAY underestimating westy`s value on the eagles...he`s the best offensive weapon they have by far.
QUOTE (Slinger @ May 4 2008, 02:59 PM)
QUOTE (BustedKnuckles @ May 4 2008, 04:22 PM)
QUOTE (Slinger @ May 4 2008, 01:28 PM)
"I'm paid," he said. "I signed a contract that was fair at that (time), so there's no sense in me crying about it now."
Would Westbrook say that if he was making the league minimum this year?
your missing the point....he had a fantastic year last season and could do what many other guys do....demand more $$$$ NOW instead of playing out his contract as it was written and agreed apon. I`m sure he will get his reward sooner than later from the team...but in the meantime he`s living up to his obligations as he is supposed to do without causing inner turmoil as so many others do.
The Eagles would let him sit a year if he pulled a TO or Chad Johnson. He's at an advance age for a RB, so while he performed very well last year, he's not going to score a 50 million contract. You don't get paid in the NFL for what you did in the past.
If he were to sit out or demand more money I wouldn't blame him, nor would his teammates. It's a business first, game second and everyone on the Eagles squad wants to get theirs. But, like I said, the Eagles wouldn't tolerate it if he became a drama queen, so it's not like he's purposely taking less money "for the team".
Who said ANYTHING about ''if'' he was taking less money...now your creating new scenerios. He is simply doing what he is supposed to do...playing out his conract that he signed. Allot of guys in his postition would be holding out or making a huge stink thus disrupting the team istead of Honoring thier contracts.
Its unfortunate that one would even half to point this out,but with all the agents and primadona players out there this is refreshing.
Another thing...your WAY underestimating westy`s value on the eagles...he`s the best offensive weapon they have by far.
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