wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
With Donnie Avery all but done... my bet is on robinson to take charge of the wr corps. if the guys stays healthy i think he could put up wr 2-3 numbers....anybody with me or am i crazy?
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wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
(Rotoworld) Laurent Robinson is locked in as the Rams' No. 1 receiver following Donnie Avery's knee injury Thursday night.
Analysis: The verdict isn't in on Avery's season just yet, but the jury is in and handing the judge a rope. The Rotoworld Draft Guide projects Robinson as a top-45 receiver, and he's solidified his status as a worthwhile pick after Round 10. Keep an eye on Brandon Gibson as the option to fill in for Avery opposite Robinson. Gibson caught four passes for 50 yards and a touchdown in the second half of Thursday's game.
....ok bold statement time
Laurent Robinson 80 rec 1000 yards 8tds
Analysis: The verdict isn't in on Avery's season just yet, but the jury is in and handing the judge a rope. The Rotoworld Draft Guide projects Robinson as a top-45 receiver, and he's solidified his status as a worthwhile pick after Round 10. Keep an eye on Brandon Gibson as the option to fill in for Avery opposite Robinson. Gibson caught four passes for 50 yards and a touchdown in the second half of Thursday's game.
....ok bold statement time
Laurent Robinson 80 rec 1000 yards 8tds
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
what the hell is a carbanoff? lol
god i hope so. this is boldly going out on that limb.
nlgb1
Footballguy
is the muffler shaking when its running? if so, you could have a busted wheel bearing which would really be a painwiscstlatlmia said:my signature is better than yours
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
take it to the bank my man
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
I'm curious about this. I mean, Bradford looked good! And other than S. Jax, no Rams offensive player is owned in my league. Is Laurent Robinson (or, for that matter, Danny Amendola) a bona fide sleeper? Someone has to emerge with 800-900 receiving yards on this team, right?
Anthony Borbely
Footballguy
This is the problem. Robinson has never been able to stay healthy. I think he is clearly the most talented WR on the Rams, but it doesn't do any good if the talent is on the sidelines. While I think 1000 yards is a bit optimistic with a rookie QB, I think he is talented enough to reach it at some point if he can play a fill season.
Abraham
Footballguy
Bradford did look good, which is encouraging. But the defense plays at a different speed in preseason. I'm sure he'll develop in to a nice QB for the Rams (and I was very bearish on him earlier), but let's temper our enthusiasm a bit.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Brandon Gibson?
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
I think I'm appropriately tempered. I'm looking for a WR3 or WR4 here. I think Jackson is the biggest beneficiary of Avery going down, but some receiver will get to 800 yards in my opinion. First, there isn't enough WR depth on that team for the yardage to be spread around, and second, rookie QBs usually latch onto a favorite target like a mother's nipple.There isn't a viable receiving TE on this team, so unless Jackson gets 80+ catches, some receiver has to emerge as a viable WR3 or WR4 with 800+ yards.Abraham said:
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
Probably the starting receiver opposite Robinson, with Amendola in the slot. Could be a sleeper, but I prefer Robinson.
Timmay
Footballguy
I am more worried about Steven Jackson in this situation....with Avery going out, if it wasnt hard already, this will make people protect against the run even more now. I sure hope Robinson, Gilyard, and Gibson step up and provide a good passing attack to keep defenses honest.
Per Rotoworld
The bolded part is clearly wrong, but thats Rotoworlds take, so im not suprised.
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
I'm still the only person on the planet that likes Keenan Burton. Kid was hyped coming out and can be had for next to nothing right now. Robinson is rostered in all my dynasty leagues as is Amendola and Gibson but not Burton.
Jayrok
Footballguy
Could be the by-pass line.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
C'mon guys really? Avery was borderline 30-40 range when he was the WR1 projection, now he is gone for the season so the next guy is going to post WR2 numbers? You are putting him in the range of a DeSean Jackson, Anquan Boldin, Steve Smith...some of the 1-2 combos in my redraft leagues include...
Moss/Miles
Welker/St Smith
Fitz/Boldin
AJ/Calvin
White/Ocho
That was the 1st 5 teams I grabbed in one of my leagues. People have a very skewed view of what a WR2 or even a WR3 is supposed to be. Jason Wood mentioned it in another thread this past few weeks but the goal of your team slots is not to have the #12 ranked WR as your WR1, #22 as your WR2, and #34 as your WR3...you will lose if that is your battle plan!!! Guys that win leagues have top12 guys in both the WR1 and WR2 slots, and then probably a borderline top20 if not higher in the WR3 slot.
It's not about an equal distribution of points across 12 team leagues, it's about hoarding as many as possible on your roster. Many times I have guys that are top20-30 at my 4, 5 and 6 slots. Now where does Laurent Robinson stand up? In my opinion you will be happy if he can be your WR4 to fill in on bye weeks or if he gets the right match up. Let's not forget that Bradford has not thrown a pass in the regular season but I am not going to rip on the guy because he looked like he has made progress in a short period of time however he has very little talent around him. Ask yourself how many other teams LRob would walk in and be the WR1 for?
"MOP stop raining on our parade!"
Sorry guys, just calling it like I see it.
Moss/Miles
Welker/St Smith
Fitz/Boldin
AJ/Calvin
White/Ocho
That was the 1st 5 teams I grabbed in one of my leagues. People have a very skewed view of what a WR2 or even a WR3 is supposed to be. Jason Wood mentioned it in another thread this past few weeks but the goal of your team slots is not to have the #12 ranked WR as your WR1, #22 as your WR2, and #34 as your WR3...you will lose if that is your battle plan!!! Guys that win leagues have top12 guys in both the WR1 and WR2 slots, and then probably a borderline top20 if not higher in the WR3 slot.
It's not about an equal distribution of points across 12 team leagues, it's about hoarding as many as possible on your roster. Many times I have guys that are top20-30 at my 4, 5 and 6 slots. Now where does Laurent Robinson stand up? In my opinion you will be happy if he can be your WR4 to fill in on bye weeks or if he gets the right match up. Let's not forget that Bradford has not thrown a pass in the regular season but I am not going to rip on the guy because he looked like he has made progress in a short period of time however he has very little talent around him. Ask yourself how many other teams LRob would walk in and be the WR1 for?
"MOP stop raining on our parade!"
Sorry guys, just calling it like I see it.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Robinson ranked WR13 overall through the games he actually was able to play last season. He certainly has the ability when healthy. If you disagree, please explain how you dismiss his production last season.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Actually CH he was 26th thru 3 weeks in PPR...maybe he got hurt at the beginning of game 3, not sure. Week 1 he ranked 27th in a game @Seattle which had a pretty poor defense overall last year. Week 2 he ranked 16th in a game @Wash and we know they had some problems last year too. I'm not dismissing him but he was 6/54 in that game then add the TD. It's a very small sample size obviously with it being only 2 games and we can go thru and look at a lot of WRs both good and bad that get off to great and sometimes horrendous starts but when you look at the talent of the overall top20 WRs according to FBG rankings or anyone really, where can you slide LRob into? Will he have weeks where he can hit the top 20? Of course and there are lots of WRs that this will happen with. But having to wheel him out and start him every week as your WR2? I would say you had a poor draft if that was what happened to you.
Balco
Footballguy
I have had Robinson on my dynasty team since he was drafted by the Falcons. Here is my take:
- He was raw and injured alot when he was with the Falcons. This did not help his cause during his tenure there. Additionally, the new coaching staff there did not seem to be a big fan of his. The talent was there, and he flashed it during the preseason and regular season, but he also dropped some easily catchable balls.
- His second chance in the NFL with the Rams went alot better and he did not disappoint as the # 1 receiver for the Rams . . . for 2 games. And therein lies the rub, can he stay healthy? If he is fully recovered and can stay on the field, there is no doubt he can be a top 15 receiver for fantasy purposes. As someone mentioned, he was # 13 when he went down (I know, I know miniscule sample size, but it is what it is). He seems to be getting way overlooked in fantasy circles, as he would likely be the # 1 even if Avery were still there.
- He was raw and injured alot when he was with the Falcons. This did not help his cause during his tenure there. Additionally, the new coaching staff there did not seem to be a big fan of his. The talent was there, and he flashed it during the preseason and regular season, but he also dropped some easily catchable balls.
- His second chance in the NFL with the Rams went alot better and he did not disappoint as the # 1 receiver for the Rams . . . for 2 games. And therein lies the rub, can he stay healthy? If he is fully recovered and can stay on the field, there is no doubt he can be a top 15 receiver for fantasy purposes. As someone mentioned, he was # 13 when he went down (I know, I know miniscule sample size, but it is what it is). He seems to be getting way overlooked in fantasy circles, as he would likely be the # 1 even if Avery were still there.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
You're going to count the game he was injured in as a whole game on his average? He didn't finish the game... He ranked 13th after week 2. And still after week 3 ranked better than alot of guys you would have drafted higher.I personally wouldn't be looking to draft him as my WR2, but if I was loading up on other positions after WR1 &2, I'd settle for this guy as part of my WR3 by committee. And I'd expect he could end up higher in my rotation if he proves to stay healthy and keeps up production.
I don't think anyone was saying they'd be happy drafting him as a WR2, or with him as the only option there.. And honestly, why would you have to? his ADP allows you to fill out your lineup before even drafting him..
Robinson will most likely be drafted as an WR4, but has the potential to be a WR2... Injury history being his only detractor.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
If you take Robinsons 2 and 1/2 games production from '09' and divide by 2.5, and project over 16 games, stats would look like this
83 rec, 1069 yards, 6 TD's
That would have been good enough for WR17 in PPR last year (226 pts)
Dividing his total stats into 3 whole games (which I don't agree with) gives you
69 rec, 891 yards, 5 TD's
That would have been good enough for WR24 in PPR last year (188 pts)
Either way you cut it, thats WR2 #'s in a 12 teamer.
If he can stay healthy, and with better QB production, I expect Robinson to end the season with WR2 #'s
83 rec, 1069 yards, 6 TD's
That would have been good enough for WR17 in PPR last year (226 pts)
Dividing his total stats into 3 whole games (which I don't agree with) gives you
69 rec, 891 yards, 5 TD's
That would have been good enough for WR24 in PPR last year (188 pts)
Either way you cut it, thats WR2 #'s in a 12 teamer.
If he can stay healthy, and with better QB production, I expect Robinson to end the season with WR2 #'s
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Balco
Footballguy
Exactly. Can he perform as a # 2 in a 12 teamer? I think health permitting, there is a good chance (he would have to perform as a top 24 receiver). And like you just said, he will be drafted as a # 4. That is huge value.
Baron Samedi
Footballguy
Shhhhhh
Rick James
Footballguy
You really can't take 2.5 games of data and expect that to hold up over a 16-game extrapolation. It's just too small of a sample size.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I agree it's a small sample size, but it's all we have to work with. Even if you divided by 4 games, he's still project out as a WR3, still better than his ADP..Point being, this guy has WR2 potential and can be had late...
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Probably so. I wouldn't waste a spot on him in even the largest of dynasty leagues.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
As a huge Rams homer, I wouldn't take any Rams WR's unless you need a #3 WR or a BYE week option. They have 4-5 guys who are #2 type of WR's, but the problem is they all inconsistent. One week Robinson may have 7/110/1, then the next week he is shut down and Amondole will be the guy or possibly Gibson. None of then can be counted on a weekly basis. They all are decent, just not consistent. Throw in their TE's who Bradford seems to like, and a few dump offs to Sjax, and I just don't see any Rams WR worthy of even a #2 FF WR.
az_prof
Footballguy
I agree that Robinson is the most talented receiver after Avery on team. But he is coming off ACL surgery right? In the past, my experience has been that players in first year back after that surgery are not one hundred percent and are prone to other injuries. He is worth a later round flyer. So is Keenan Burton who has flashed talent too at times but also has had trouble staying healthy. Best bet: stay away from all players on this team. A rookie QB: check. Bad OL: check. No proven receivers: check. Who knows: maybe Gilyard will emerge. Maybe Amendola. One of these guys will probably be a good fantasy WR3, but I doubt any will be a good WR2 or WR1. And there is no telling now which one it will be. Stay away and pick the guy who emerges up on waivers in week 1 or week 2.
TheArchitect
Footballguy
Best bet: stay away from all players on this team. A rookie QB: check. Bad OL: check. No proven receivers: check.
...unless you're in an IDP league. Then, grab Laurinaitis and Atogwe!
...unless you're in an IDP league. Then, grab Laurinaitis and Atogwe!
TheArchitect
Footballguy
Big difference there! Laurent's worth stashing in a WR3 committee with a couple other high upside guys... as long as those 2 other guys aren't Amendola and Gibson!
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
So you wouldn't waste a spot on a guy who was competing for the no.2 WR spot, now the no.1 WR spot in a race that he is most definitely in. People here are so short sighted. Ok he has had a rough first few years in the league. He sure as hell wouldn't be the first guy to have a few rough years and then put it together.
Tau837
Footballguy
IMO it is a matter of targets. Last season, the Rams attempted 543 passes, which was 16th in the league. We know they will likely be behind a lot, so it's hard to see that number dropping substantially.
Last season, McMichael was the Rams' #1 TE and caught 34 of those passes. He's on the Chargers now. Last season, Avery was the Rams' #1 WR and caught 47 of those passes. He's out for the season.
Last season, Mario Manningham was WR30 (FBG scoring), with 57/822/5 receiving. Is 800/5 really out of reach for Robinson? As many have noted, he started off last season pretty strong out of the gate, but broke his fibula during the third game.
I think he is an excellent value play. For those who don't, I'd like to see your projected breakdown of receptions, receiving yards, and TDs for the Rams offense.
Last season, McMichael was the Rams' #1 TE and caught 34 of those passes. He's on the Chargers now. Last season, Avery was the Rams' #1 WR and caught 47 of those passes. He's out for the season.
Last season, Mario Manningham was WR30 (FBG scoring), with 57/822/5 receiving. Is 800/5 really out of reach for Robinson? As many have noted, he started off last season pretty strong out of the gate, but broke his fibula during the third game.
I think he is an excellent value play. For those who don't, I'd like to see your projected breakdown of receptions, receiving yards, and TDs for the Rams offense.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
Best bet: stay away from all players on this team. A rookie QB: check. Bad OL: check. No proven receivers: check.
...unless you're in an IDP league. Then, grab Laurinaitis and Atogwe!
Bad o-line ? Are you joking ? Maybe last year it was bad when they had 3-4 guys hurt. When healthy, their o-line is VERY good, ask the patriots. Bradford had plenty of time and picked apart their D with ease.
LT- Saffold (33rd pick this year. A beast so far )
LG- Bell (high priced FA pickup )
C-Brown (high priced F/A pick up. One of best centers in the league )
RG- Goldberg ( solid )
RT- Smith ( hurt last year and most players say is a monster. 2nd overall pick last yr )
FAR from a bad o-line. Has potential to be one of the better lines in the league. Health is the key.
Babu Bhatt2
Footballguy
I think Amendola likely gets at least 60 catches. The tight ends probably combine for 50-60, but I think they split them. Steven Jackson probably is the biggest beneficiary of Avery going down--I think his catches go above 60 now for sure, maybe as high as 70. But Laurent Robinson and whoever starts opposite him will split 120 catches or so. I think Robinson, if healthy, gets at least 70 of those.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Even the best WR's are inconsistant at times... Go look over the top 15-30 WR's, there up and down throughout the season. Very few are every week producers..
Tau837
Footballguy
You are projecting 290 to 310 catches while including only 1 RB (Jackson) and only 3 WRs (Robinson, Amendola, and whoever starts opposite Robinson). That seems to be rather high. Other RBs and WRs not accounted for in your summary could catch as many as 50 passes.I expect something more like this:310 completions65 catches for TEs80 catches for RBs165 catches for WRsWith WR catches broken down like this:65 Robinson40 Amendola30 Gibson15 Gilyard15 BurtonRobinson's career ypc average is 11.9. In his short stint in St. Louis last year, he averaged 12.8. I think 12.5 is a reasonably conservative estimate. He had 1 TD in 13 catches in St. Louis last year, so I think it is reasonably conservative to carry that scoring rate forward.That all adds up to 65/812/5. As noted above, those are basically WR30 numbers. And there is upside in those numbers. With last year's #1 WR and #1 TE gone, and Robinson elevated to the #1 WR role, he could get more red zone targets and score more TDs. He also could have a better ypc average.
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bulger2holt
Footballguy
Pretty accurate imo.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
gilyard is not going to play much at all this year...
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
Also biggest misconception in the NFL is the rams have a bad line...this is not true to anyone who thinks this. its actually an above average line possibly top ten
I have to agree I have heard this all offseason I'm not sure why so many people are down on the Rams they are good not great but they are also young and should only get better. As an Eagles fan you never hear people down play Kolb or Jackson because of the line but the Eagle line isn't as good as the Rams and they have a lot of injury worries early. Now Saffold is probably the biggest question because he is a rookie but so far he has looked pretty good and as a Bradford owner I am more then happy with the line and I'm hoping to see them select Green next year so I can feel the same about the Wr.
wiscstlatlmia
Footballguy
im starting him this week over britt and driver
