League Member Claims he accepted a Trade by Mistake (1 Viewer)

[KellysHeroes]

I'm a commish and to be perfectly honest the commish didn't do anything wrong. I'm a teacher in my real job and thinking before you act is part of life. Clicking the wrong button twice and then making your own lopsided trade followed by whining about the trade you clicked on twice to approve wreaks of being juvenile. I agree that the commish's reasons for not trying to work something out sooner were kind of weak (the whole business trip thing, etc), it absolutely was within the rules. I love the way that some people think the second trade was absolutely great as it was even more lopsided yet want to say the commish is ruining the league. Is this a league of teens because it's exactly what it sounds like.

Like I said, as a player in the league... the guy didn't do anything wrong; he sent out 100s of crap offers to us in the past 3 yrs and finally one stuck for whatever the reason. Put now as a commissioner you have over half the league pissed off and your just going to look the other way for tell us to eat the rulebook. Isn't it worth keeping peace with the league and undo the trade or work out some thing fair.Heres what the commish did to try to work it out... he offer Cooley for Britt back. Nice.

 

[Doovz]

I hope I never have to deal with d bags like that. I don't know what it is in RTS but as a commish of an RTS league I see this happening at least once or twice a year. I think people just zone out and hit the wrong button. Teams have always just worked it out or asked me to reverse it. We are all in this to have fun and not leave a poor taste. I have never had a problem with any owners when it is obvious a mistake has been made. Sorry...but this is pretty obvious.

 

[T Man]

Everyone is jumping on the commish, but a few facts seem to jump out:

1. The Rule Book states:

"The only trade deals that will be reversed is if there is obvious collusion and 10 out of the 14 teams protest the trade publicly on the message board with in 24 hours of the deal"

so far 8 teams have come on and protested the whole thing... no one has sided with the commish and his comments. You want over half a league mad at you? Some have already declared there leaving after this yr.

2. THis is a dynasty league, so moves have to be made with thought not only to current roster but future years and productivity of players.

It is dynasty, but why would a team in the #4 playoff spot destory their chances and make the deal... makes no sense

3. A trade offer was apparently made by the Commish with some discussion with the recipient, Blackfoot. Commish said that Blackfoot had considered trading Celek for Britt earlier.

4. Commish makes a trade offer of Britt/Morgan for Dallas Clark. Not necessarily a trade I would make, but certainly not collusive in the context of dynasty. SO the portion of the rule regarding a league vote is inapplicable.

Again, over half the league has protested the Commish and his actions...

5. Blackfoot apparently rejects several offers immediately, but not the offer of Britt/Morgan for Clark.

Not sure what happened, but he rejected some trades and must of thought he came up to the trade he did want to accept.

6. Blackfoot "Accepts" the trade by pressing the accept button and then a second time confirming that he, in fact, wanted to make the trade.

Again, this action is required to accept or reject in RTS... and the box that comes up is the same looking box; so you can zone out and not double look

7. Blackfoot makes another trades after accepting the trade of Britt/Morgan for Clark (and before he contests the trade).

8. Commish makes several roster moves based upon the accepted trade by Blackfoot.

No Roster moves, the trade is accepted and I guess he had some offer on the table that gets automatically rejected

9. (Assumption) Trade is posted to the league as being confirmed.

League gets an email

10. A few hours later, Blackfoot tells commish he made a mistake.

the guy claimed he went to work and then got the email about the trade... didn't realize what happened until then

Its clear you don't like the guy or his trade offers, but thats not the point. The rule says trades are reversed only if collusion and only if in that situation 10 out of 14 teams agree its collusive. The fact that 8 teams don't like the trade does not make it collusive. The fact that they don't like it gives credence that they should leave, but not that the trade should be reversed. There are a lot of trades made in leagues that I am in that I don't like, and don't understand, but that does not make it collusion and it certainly doesn't rise to the level of letting all the other affected owners vote on it.In this case, Blackfoot had either buyer's remorse or messed up, but it is not the commish's fault. If you made an offer someone else accepted -- and then the trade posted to the league and both of you made other trades, I don't think you would like it if the Commish stepped in and decided that the other person made a mistake so you suffer the consequences of a reversal of the trade (and cannot undo the other transactions everyone else made after that).

Youn don't like the commish. You don't like how he makes hundreds of offers. Don't play with him in the future and take the other 8 guys with you. But in this situation, a commish cannot let buyer's remorse be grounds for reversal of the trade. Horrible precedent.

 

[T Man]

I'm a commish and to be perfectly honest the commish didn't do anything wrong. I'm a teacher in my real job and thinking before you act is part of life. Clicking the wrong button twice and then making your own lopsided trade followed by whining about the trade you clicked on twice to approve wreaks of being juvenile. I agree that the commish's reasons for not trying to work something out sooner were kind of weak (the whole business trip thing, etc), it absolutely was within the rules. I love the way that some people think the second trade was absolutely great as it was even more lopsided yet want to say the commish is ruining the league. Is this a league of teens because it's exactly what it sounds like.

Like I said, as a player in the league... the guy didn't do anything wrong; he sent out 100s of crap offers to us in the past 3 yrs and finally one stuck for whatever the reason. Put now as a commissioner you have over half the league pissed off and your just going to look the other way for tell us to eat the rulebook. Isn't it worth keeping peace with the league and undo the trade or work out some thing fair.Heres what the commish did to try to work it out... he offer Cooley for Britt back. Nice.

If you hate it so much over the past 3 years, you should have just bailed.I am not a fan of massive trade offers, but I can live with the repetition. SOme of the guys simply do not know where to start and want to get a discussion going via counteroffers. Some are simply disillusioned as to the value of players. It is part of the game.

If it bothers you that people do it, then leave the league or if it bothers everyone in the league ask the offeror to leave.

 

[John 14:6]

Youn don't like the commish. You don't like how he makes hundreds of offers. Don't play with him in the future and take the other 8 guys with you. But in this situation, a commish cannot let buyer's remorse be grounds for reversal of the trade. Horrible precedent.

Yeah, I'll bet if the commish didn't make all those offers all the time the other league members wouldn't be making as big a deal out of this. If we want a fair ruling, this case should be judged on its own and it seems like the commissioner has done everything by the book.

 

[Moniker]

I'm a commish and to be perfectly honest the commish didn't do anything wrong. I'm a teacher in my real job and thinking before you act is part of life. Clicking the wrong button twice and then making your own lopsided trade followed by whining about the trade you clicked on twice to approve wreaks of being juvenile. I agree that the commish's reasons for not trying to work something out sooner were kind of weak (the whole business trip thing, etc), it absolutely was within the rules. I love the way that some people think the second trade was absolutely great as it was even more lopsided yet want to say the commish is ruining the league. Is this a league of teens because it's exactly what it sounds like.

Like I said, as a player in the league... the guy didn't do anything wrong; he sent out 100s of crap offers to us in the past 3 yrs and finally one stuck for whatever the reason. Put now as a commissioner you have over half the league pissed off and your just going to look the other way for tell us to eat the rulebook. Isn't it worth keeping peace with the league and undo the trade or work out some thing fair.Heres what the commish did to try to work it out... he offer Cooley for Britt back. Nice.

By what has been posted, your commish followed your rulebook. Your rulebook states that ten people must protest and only eight did. It's obviously too late now as this league seems totally shot because the eight of you think that the commish should have bent the rules, but if you didn't like the rules you guys should have changed them in the first place.In the end when this league folds, it wasn't the commish's fault (as much as you seem to want it to be).

 

[Jeremy]

Youn don't like the commish. You don't like how he makes hundreds of offers. Don't play with him in the future and take the other 8 guys with you. But in this situation, a commish cannot let buyer's remorse be grounds for reversal of the trade. Horrible precedent.

Yeah, I'll bet if the commish didn't make all those offers all the time the other league members wouldn't be making as big a deal out of this. If we want a fair ruling, this case should be judged on its own and it seems like the commissioner has done everything by the book.

That's the thing, though. The commish of the league has to be the most trusted person in the league. Though not against the rules, it's unseemly for a commish to go around making rediculous trade offers in the hopes of finding a sucker. Most leagues have at least one or two noobs who you can take advantage of if you really try. Judging by what the OP and other members have said, this guy is trying to fleece every other owner in the league. Kind of comes back to bite him in the hind parts when something controversial happens.

 

[Couch Potato]

T Man and a few others who side with the Commissioner's handling of this are 100% correct. T Man spelled it out nicely too.

Those in the league who are ready to leave over it, and those in the thread who disagree with the Commissioner's handling of things, are holding him to a different standard either because he is the Commissioner (which s/b irrelevant with regard to his actions as an owner of his own team) or, more likely, because he is "that guy" who we all hate -- the guy who continually sends out garbage offers.

We have to separate the "that guy" disdain from whether the Commissioner, wearing his Commissioner hat and not his owner hat, has done anything wrong. Clearly he has not.

Owners want to change the rules midstream because they like the owner who clearly did this to himself more than they like the Commissioner? To me that's reprehensible. Owners want to leave the league because they don't like the Commissioner (and his bad trade offers)? Fine. But don't hide behind him not reversing this transaction.

It looks like this league is doomed, but if this becomes the excuse it was already doomed. The owner who screwed up should simply have manned up and lived with his screw up, and the rest of the league should have taken into account only the facts and the league rules, not their personal dislike of the Commissioner, and concluded that nothing should be done to change the result.

 

[John 14:6]

Youn don't like the commish. You don't like how he makes hundreds of offers. Don't play with him in the future and take the other 8 guys with you. But in this situation, a commish cannot let buyer's remorse be grounds for reversal of the trade. Horrible precedent.

Yeah, I'll bet if the commish didn't make all those offers all the time the other league members wouldn't be making as big a deal out of this. If we want a fair ruling, this case should be judged on its own and it seems like the commissioner has done everything by the book.

That's the thing, though. The commish of the league has to be the most trusted person in the league. Though not against the rules, it's unseemly for a commish to go around making rediculous trade offers in the hopes of finding a sucker. Most leagues have at least one or two noobs who you can take advantage of if you really try. Judging by what the OP and other members have said, this guy is trying to fleece every other owner in the league. Kind of comes back to bite him in the hind parts when something controversial happens.

That's a separate (though admittedly related) issue. The commissioner handled this case the way he should have.If a bunch of the members want to quit because he keeps making all of those trade offers, that's something else. Really there's nothing against the rules about sending a lot of bad trade offers. It's a matter of etiquette, and the other owners shoudl respond in kind by ignoring all of the trade offers. But what happened in this situation has to be evaluated separate from that.

 

[KellysHeroes]

For those that think that the guy took the offer on purpose and then regretted it; the guy is a very good Fantasy Player.

2007 was the opening Draft and he Drafted a good team / was 2nd in total points and won the league.

2008 he just missed the playoffs by 1 team, he was #7 while 6 teams get in.

2009 he was back on top and was #4 in total pts

We have talked on the Chat box in the past... he knows his stuff and values the players he drafted very much. I just can not see him making that move while in the middle of a playoff push, I can assure you all hes smarter than that. This isn't some dummy that came in this yr and doesn't know what their doing or a team that totally out of it and having a fire sell, this is an experienced player.

 

[John 14:6]

For those that think that the guy took the offer on purpose and then regretted it; the guy is a very good Fantasy Player.2007 was the opening Draft and he Drafted a good team / was 2nd in total points and won the league.2008 he just missed the playoffs by 1 team, he was #7 while 6 teams get in.2009 he was back on top and was #4 in total ptsWe have talked on the Chat box in the past... he knows his stuff and values the players he drafted very much. I just can not see him making that move while in the middle of a playoff push, I can assure you all hes smarter than that. This isn't some dummy that came in this yr and doesn't know what their doing or a team that totally out of it and having a fire sell, this is an experienced player.

Again this is sounding more about reputations than actual facts. The people in the league more or less like this guy and dislike the commissioner. Based on the rules the commissioner handled it appropriately.

 

[KellysHeroes]

For those that think that the guy took the offer on purpose and then regretted it; the guy is a very good Fantasy Player.2007 was the opening Draft and he Drafted a good team / was 2nd in total points and won the league.2008 he just missed the playoffs by 1 team, he was #7 while 6 teams get in.2009 he was back on top and was #4 in total ptsWe have talked on the Chat box in the past... he knows his stuff and values the players he drafted very much. I just can not see him making that move while in the middle of a playoff push, I can assure you all hes smarter than that. This isn't some dummy that came in this yr and doesn't know what their doing or a team that totally out of it and having a fire sell, this is an experienced player.

Again this is sounding more about reputations than actual facts. The people in the league more or less like this guy and dislike the commissioner. Based on the rules the commissioner handled it appropriately.

I'm just saying... the people in here that are thinking thats its Buyers remorse; I'm just not buying... this guy is smarter than that. Something went wrong here. Oh Yeah, the commish's actions in the past and his statement with the deals in this case don't help

 

[amphibianbri]

I'm a commish and to be perfectly honest the commish didn't do anything wrong. I'm a teacher in my real job and thinking before you act is part of life. Clicking the wrong button twice and then making your own lopsided trade followed by whining about the trade you clicked on twice to approve wreaks of being juvenile. I agree that the commish's reasons for not trying to work something out sooner were kind of weak (the whole business trip thing, etc), it absolutely was within the rules. I love the way that some people think the second trade was absolutely great as it was even more lopsided yet want to say the commish is ruining the league. Is this a league of teens because it's exactly what it sounds like.

Like I said, as a player in the league... the guy didn't do anything wrong; he sent out 100s of crap offers to us in the past 3 yrs and finally one stuck for whatever the reason. Put now as a commissioner you have over half the league pissed off and your just going to look the other way for tell us to eat the rulebook. Isn't it worth keeping peace with the league and undo the trade or work out some thing fair.Heres what the commish did to try to work it out... he offer Cooley for Britt back. Nice.

The league of course is also pissed off now at the guy who made the 3 for 3 deal that was even worse right? Or is that just water under the bridge because it's now about "putting it to the man" because "he" destroyed the league? I personally think for the rest of the season everyone should just be told they win every week so everyone feels better . Unless there was as much uproar about the second trade, which absolutely sounds like spite filled collusion and an opportunity for the guys who are sticking together for someone who doesn't know how to not hit the accept trade button twice and doesn't figure that out for a couple for hours. Did you or any of the other angered voters vote to veto the second deal for the good of the league?

 

[Moniker]

I'm a commish and to be perfectly honest the commish didn't do anything wrong. I'm a teacher in my real job and thinking before you act is part of life. Clicking the wrong button twice and then making your own lopsided trade followed by whining about the trade you clicked on twice to approve wreaks of being juvenile. I agree that the commish's reasons for not trying to work something out sooner were kind of weak (the whole business trip thing, etc), it absolutely was within the rules. I love the way that some people think the second trade was absolutely great as it was even more lopsided yet want to say the commish is ruining the league. Is this a league of teens because it's exactly what it sounds like.

Like I said, as a player in the league... the guy didn't do anything wrong; he sent out 100s of crap offers to us in the past 3 yrs and finally one stuck for whatever the reason. Put now as a commissioner you have over half the league pissed off and your just going to look the other way for tell us to eat the rulebook. Isn't it worth keeping peace with the league and undo the trade or work out some thing fair.Heres what the commish did to try to work it out... he offer Cooley for Britt back. Nice.

The league of course is also pissed off now at the guy who made the 3 for 3 deal that was even worse right? Or is that just water under the bridge because it's now about "putting it to the man" because "he" destroyed the league? I personally think for the rest of the season everyone should just be told they win every week so everyone feels better . Unless there was as much uproar about the second trade, which absolutely sounds like spite filled collusion and an opportunity for the guys who are sticking together for someone who doesn't know how to not hit the accept trade button twice and doesn't figure that out for a couple for hours. Did you or any of the other angered voters vote to veto the second deal for the good of the league?

 

[Phurfur]

I hope I never have to deal with d bags like that. I don't know what it is in RTS but as a commish of an RTS league I see this happening at least once or twice a year. I think people just zone out and hit the wrong button. Teams have always just worked it out or asked me to reverse it. We are all in this to have fun and not leave a poor taste. I have never had a problem with any owners when it is obvious a mistake has been made. Sorry...but this is pretty obvious.

I am in 4 leagues and this has never happened in any of them or if it did happen the guy just considered it his problem.

 

[KellysHeroes]

For anyone that still cares, the final words have been said on this issue so I'll just post them and then move on.

A couple of people cam on and said something about how the 2 trades should be reversed and the commish responded last night and a league member then re-responded to him.

Commish wrote:

Everyone involved is okay with the way things turned out, even though it was dramatic.

: Sorry about out of the three that were involved in the trades... your the only one Thats okay with it. I'm sure Black is still upset.

Commish wrote:

The trade deadline is set by RTsports and it is Sunday for the players that have not already played

this week.. The commish does not touch this league once the "on" button is flipped before week 1.

Our particular trade involved a 49er player who played Thursday so the trade deadline for that deal

blackfoot and I made was sooner..

: He didn't play Morgan so that doesn't affect the trade and I highly doubt anybody would play him.. theres still time to do something.

Commish wrote:

The value of Britt has been pretty consistent and has been traded 4 times since drafted in the first

round this year, and each time for about the same thing, so no one got screwed.. Just depends on a

persons team and how bad they need a young WR as far as valuation goes.. I liked him myself and

still need WR help after losing Moss and Burress, other wise i would not have given Vernon for him.

I personnally consider Gates, Clark and Vernon all about equal. I think all 3 teams involved with

these trades improved their teams.. Flock probably has the best young WR Corps in the league now,

and got a nice young RB which is hard to find with out giving one up in a deal, Blackfoot netted

Wayne, Gates, and Morgan, and I got the TE I needed back after dealing Vernon away and losing

Cooley to injury in the same week after I aquired Britt..

: I think your value of Britt is a little on the delusional side, if you think a Playoff bound team is going to trade a player that has scored 190 pts in 8 games for a Rookie that wasn't even announced as a starter yet your out of your mind. Not to mention that he didn't even have a Back up TE when he did "accept" the trade.

: Again, I think its very clear that Black accepted that Trade by accident but you seem to be the only that refuses to see that.

: Anwser this one question to us and be honest and true... YES or NO, Do you think Black accepted that offer on Purpose?

Commish: Yes.. I dealt Vernon for him so why not? I personally think there was a 3 way deal in the works that fell

through but who knows I could be wrong (the potential 3 way could have even been with your team for

all I know)...

Besides, he and I had pretty much come to an agreement that would have sent him Clark back on

Wednesday, but he liked your offer better and went with that instead, so he and I had made good. He

posted on the message board that he is happy, but you want to keep this going when you have made

the most and biggest trades this week yourself, which is your prerogative, but he I are fine with things

as far as I know.

This is my last post regarding this matter..

: Ok, I end this myself because its clear that no action will be taken. There was no 3 way deal in the works, there was no talk between me and Black until after your trade.

Peace

Commish: Good to know that you negotiated after our trade.. Peace

So thats it.. done, I want to thank Joe B for allowing this thread to go like it did and thank everyone who posted their opinions... glad to see that no one got over board on this.

KH