Legitimate Reasons to Dislike Hillary (1 Viewer)

[cobalt_27]

So, in summary, what has Hillary lied about?

Bosnia

Ireland

NAFTA

Iraq War support

Refco

Whitewater

Travel Office

Filegate

Health Care anecdote

Votes being counted in MI/FL

Just sort of a brief summary. I'm sure there are many, many more.

 

[wikkidpissah]

these days, there are politicians in almost every race whose ambitions overpower all their better angels. i cannot find my way clear to vote for persons such as these, even if they are the ones whose political outlook is closest to my own. this year, those two were Romney & Clinton and i wouldnt vote for em under any circumstance.

 

[CBusAlex]

She voted to authorize the war in Iraq and for the Patriot Act, which demonstrates either a lack of judgment or a lack of courage. She's also supported constitutional amendments banning flag-burning and (IIRC) gay marraige, both of which restrict freedoms and are an obvious pander to the religious right.

 

[analog_hiss]

Probably for the same reasons you change the title of this thread: expediency.

ex·pe·di·en·cy (k-spd-n-s)

n. pl. ex·pe·di·en·cies

1. Appropriateness to the purpose at hand; fitness.

2. Adherence to self-serving means: an ambitious politician, guided by expediency rather than principle.

3. A means; an expedient.

4. Obsolete Speed; haste.

ETA: You're original thread title was "Legitimate Reasons to Hate Hillary," and when you didn't get the results you wanted you changed the thread title.

ETA2- Just realized you didn't edit title.

But I still say expediency.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

She is a proven liar, and thus is it difficult to know where she really stands on the issues.

LINK?

Oh come on. You're obviously not interested in a serious discussion if you're going to go this route.

 

[aardball44]

Has anyone mentioned her buggy, beady, wild eyes yet?

 

[Darth Cheney]

She can't decide what baseball team to like.

FAIL

She's a #####.

FAIL

Her fake smile.

FAIL

she can't hold her liquor

FAILCome on guys.. surely there are TONS of legitmate reasons out there to hate this woman as a presidential candidate.

Not sure why we're having to stoop to grade school shenanigans here

Wrong. It's a character issue. If you can't tell the truth on something as lame as what team you like...how can you be trusted on more important matters?

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Her needing to lie to make herself look more important!

Bosnia Sniper fire

Being named after Sir Edmund Hillary

Saying that Chelsea was jogging around the towers when they came down on 9/11

Hold on, I will find more!

 

[Baconator]

So, in summary, what has Hillary lied about?BosniaIrelandNAFTAIraq War supportRefcoWhitewaterTravel OfficeFilegateHealth Care anecdoteVotes being counted in MI/FLJust sort of a brief summary. I'm sure there are many, many more.

Can we get a little more meat on these bones please?

 

[wikkidpissah]

oh, and Hillary snuffed Vince Foster during a sexual asphyxiation episode in Fort Marcy Park.

 

[adonis]

oh, and Hillary snuffed Vince Foster during a sexual asphyxiation episode in Fort Marcy Park.

The lemon fell out of his mouth or what?

 

[Baconator]

Okay, BESIDES Cankles - Which I contend is reason enough not to vote for someone:

Take a look at the bills she's actually authored and sponsored. - *Not co-sposponsored - Since she's been in orifice. Probably 80-90% of them have been ceremonial fluff. Based upon that, HRC's "first 100 days" will be spent re-naming every Post Office and Park in the country.

Granted B.O.'s only gotten a dozen bills* out of committee and only 2 everybecame law, so HRC still kicks the crap outta him in terms of "experience", but I think it's pretty disingenuine to run on her experience. As has been said, she seems to lay down the perception that she was some kind of co-POTUS in the WH, but that's simply not the case. I don't think showing up in Bejing and making small talk with the other wife during a photo op then sitting around waiting for the men-folk to finish their business is exactly solid experience.

All we heard about for 10 years was this man and woman from Hope, Arkansas. So what happens the minute she's outta the WH? She makes a Beeline for New York - a very liberal state where she knows full well she has the connections to get elected to the Senate. Look at most men/women who leave the WH after 2 terms (or even one); For most, that's MORE than enough. For Hillary, she's been champing at the bit to get back there - and that troubles me fiercely.

Truth is, there's only one candidate who has the experience to do the job. Sure, Hillary's got a crapload more experience than Obama, but that's like saying she's the fastest cripple in the Democratic party. - Doesn't really mean much.

 

[tommyboy]

she's a feminist, radical socialist, almost commie.

 

[Mark Wimer]

Curious about folks reasons for not voting for hillary (were she to receive the nomination).

"She's a woman"

"She's a democrat"

"She's crazy"

"She's Bill's wife"

Etc.... are not viable reasons.

Curious about specific POLITICALLY BASED reasons regarding her stance on specific issues.... her past actions... her voting record.... direct quotes...etc.

Fire away.

Through her actions on health care reform during Bill Clinton's first term, we learned that Hillary prefers to pursue policy through behind-closed-doors summits with so-called experts, and then attempt to ram-rod said policy through congress without proper legislative review. Given the above, I object to her demonstrated approach to crafting and implementing public policy.Through her actions on health care reform during Bill Clinton's first term, we learned that Hillary is a big-government liberal who prefers a European-style socialist health care system. Seeing that (for example) the British health-care system is a massive boon-doggle filled with bureaucrats and red tape with little ability to respond to its customers (the health-care needers, ie the citizens) and (particularly in the case of dentistry, which is nigh-impossible for people in the public system to obtain - 80% of Britains have no access to a National Health System dentist these days) is therefore a massive failure, her legislative agenda to implement socialistic health care modeled on the Euro-British model here in America is highly suspect.

Hillary Clinton and Bill have not made their tax filings public, despite widespread and serious concerns that contributions from China, Dubai and the United Arab Emirates (to name a few) ostensibly for Bill Clinton's presidential library may have made their way into Hillary's campaign coffers and/or their personal purse, which then went to fund her campaign. This matter remains unresolved. Also, the unresolved concerns about Hillary's highly successful dabbling in the Chicago commodities markets while then-governor Clinton's wife in Arkansas further highlights a history of suspicious financial dealings in which the influence of outside entities (either foreign governments and/or foreign corporations and also domestic corporations like Tyson Foods and Walmart - btw, Hillary had a seat on Walmart's board, for those who are concerned about Walmart's employment record re: unions and illegal aliens) seem to have purchased favorable treatment from the Clintons when they were in power at the state and federal levels, or the more recent donations may have been given in anticipation of future favors should Mrs. Clinton be elected to the office of President. The lack of transparency regarding the Clinton's finances (when they have massive amounts of money coming into their personal administration from multi-national corporations and sovereign foreign powers) is troubling, to say the very least.

Hillary Clinton has always sided with the anti-second amendment crowd, and she and her husband's justice department was very anti-second amendment during his terms in office. Her calls for a "gun violence summit" were she elected President are evidence of her continued hostility towards the individual's right to keep and bear arms. I am a strong supporter of the second amendment to the Constitution, and the individual's right to keep and bear arms, so on these grounds alone I personally would be unable to vote for Hillary Clinton were she to be the Democratic nominee.

Contrary to the OP, I think the fact the Hillary Clinton is Bill's wife is not an illegitimate point to be made. The Constitution bars any person from holding the executive power for more than 10 years since we amended the Constitution to make this illegal after the FDR years. The Clintons were avowedly a co-presidency the first time around, and anyone who thinks that Bill Clinton won't have his hands back on the levers of power just because it is his wife who is physically sitting in the Oval Office is kidding themselves. He would at the minim have significant influence over their legislative agenda, and they as a team would once again be in a position to dominate the DNC - those would seem to be some of the same reasons we amended the constitution to bar more than 10 years in the executive office for one entity/person in the first place...

The rash of last-minute presidential pardons for Bill and Hillary Clinton's political allies/cronies/big donors at the end of Bill Clinton's presidency and their continued connections with some of these people through Hillary's senatorial and presidential campaigns is also very worrying - it looks as if pledging large numbers of $ to the Clintons can purchase immunity from prosecution for federal or state crimes. At the minim, it appears that the Clintons don't care who they associate with as long as it buys them a continued hold on the reigns of federal power and access to federal coffers.

Hillary Clinton wears blue contact lenses. Why make her eye color fake?. OK, that's not a political point - or is it? Does Clinton feel she needs to fit the "Aryan" blond haired, blue-eyed sterotype for political reasons, or why is it that she changes her eye color with tinted contact lenses?

 

[Bertha]

###### dentata

 

[Warehouse Nasty]

My opinion is that she makes people feel bad about themselves or feel stupid in the way that **** Cheney does. "Condescending" is the word. I don't think that's what I want in our leader in chief.

Agreed but still FAILLooking for substance on issues here.... Her position on key issues.. voting record... quotes...etc.

Yes, because character has no relevance to a candidates legitimacy.

 

[Sweet J]

A few years ago she proposed an anti-flag burning bill. This was the beginning of the end for my support of Hillary (previously, i was indifferent towards her, it was at that point that I began to actively dislike her). Description of the bill here: star-spangled pandering

The First Amendment is where you simply do not go. It is sacred. It protects our most cherished rights -- religion, speech, press and assembly -- and while I sometimes turn viscerally angry when I see the flag despoiled, my emotions are akin to what I feel when neo-Nazis march. Repugnant or not, popular or not, it is all political speech. Her sponsorship of the flag measure calls for reconsideration all around -- either by Hillary Clinton and her support of the flag bill or by liberals and their support of her.

and here: more pandering

Hillary Clinton is co-sponsoring a bill to criminalize the burning of the American flag. Her supporters would characterize this as an attempt to find a middle way between those who believe that flag-burning is constitutionally protected free speech and those who want to ban it, even if it takes a constitutional amendment. Unfortunately, it looks to us more like a simple attempt to have it both ways.

Senator Clinton says she opposes a constitutional amendment to outlaw flag-burning. In 1989, the Supreme Court ruled that flag-burning was protected by the First Amendment. But her bill, which is sponsored by Senator Robert Bennett, Republican of Utah, is clearly intended to put the issue back before the current, more conservative, Supreme Court in hopes of getting a turnaround.

It's hard to see this as anything but pandering - there certainly isn't any urgent need to resolve the issue. Flag-burning hasn't been in fashion since college students used slide rules in math class and went to pay phones at the student union to call their friends. Even then, it was a rarity that certainly never put the nation's security in peril.

The bill attempts to equate flag-burning with cross-burning, which the Supreme Court, in a sensible and carefully considered 2003 decision, said could be prosecuted under certain circumstances as a violation of civil rights law. It's a ridiculous comparison. Burning a cross is a unique act because of its inextricable connection to the Ku Klux Klan and to anti-black violence and intimidation. A black American who wakes up to see a cross burning on the front lawn has every right to feel personally, and physically, threatened. Flag-burning has no such history. It has, in fact, no history of being directed against any target but the government.

Mrs. Clinton says her current position grew out of conversations with veterans groups in New York, and there's no question that many veterans - and, indeed, most Americans - feel deeply offended by the sight of protesters burning the flag. (These days, that sight mainly comes from videos of the Vietnam War era; the senator's staff did not have any immediate examples of actual New York flag-burnings in the recent past.) But the whole point of the First Amendment is to protect expressions of political opinion that a majority of Americans find disturbing or unacceptable. As a lawyer, the senator presumably already knows that.

I have more on Cuba, I can do later this evening. And then there are her actions during this primary.

 

[cobalt_27]

So, in summary, what has Hillary lied about?BosniaIrelandNAFTAIraq War supportRefcoWhitewaterTravel OfficeFilegateHealth Care anecdoteVotes being counted in MI/FLJust sort of a brief summary. I'm sure there are many, many more.

Can we get a little more meat on these bones please?

In summary, she is a recidivist liar, and that is the reality that Hillary supporters such as yourself can never wrap your brains around. Good riddance to her and this nightmare fantasy of becoming the next president. We already had Nixon. We don't need another, thank you very much.

 

[EYLive]

She killed my brudder.

And she has hairy pits.

 

[Gopher State]

simple she's a democrat her and Obama = higher taxes for everyone, plain and simple.

McCain is the answer

 

[BigSteelThrill]

simple she's a democrat her and Obama = higher taxes for everyone, plain and simple.McCain is the answer

McCain = continuing dramatic drop in value to each and every US dollar. Far outpacing any tax.

 

[Kal El]

Hillary is simply a power-hungry liar, in every sense of the phrase. She will bend and twist a story to get what she wants out of it, and when someone calls BS on it, she claims she "misspoke." Her marriage was for power, her running for senator, and now for president is for power, all she cares about is more for her. Of course, the fact that she is an obvious socialist also stands out to me.

But if you want to fix things, nobody in office now can do so. We'll simply have to vote somebody completely new into office.

 

[Steeler43]

irritating, shrill voice.

Agreed.... but FAIL

So you are just going to ignore all her personal traits? Like some of them don't reflect negatively on her capacity to get things done?

 

[cstu]

Benghazi.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email at State Dept., Possibly Breaking Rules[SIZE=12pt]WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton exclusively used a personal email account to conduct government business as secretary of state, State Department officials said, and may have violated federal requirements that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Hillary Rodham Clinton had no government email address. Credit Liam Richards/The Canadian Press, via Associated Press [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mrs. Clinton did not have a government email address during her four-year tenure at the State Department. Her aides took no actions to have her personal emails preserved on department servers at the time, as required by the Federal Records Act.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]It was only two months ago, in response to a new State Department effort to comply with federal record-keeping practices, that Mrs. Clinton’s advisers reviewed tens of thousands of pages of her personal emails and decided which ones to turn over to the State Department. All told, 55,000 pages of emails were given to the department. Mrs. Clinton stepped down from the secretary’s post in early 2013.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Her expansive use of the private account was alarming to current and former National Archives and Records Administration officials and government watchdogs, who called it a serious breach.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“It is very difficult to conceive of a scenario — short of nuclear winter — where an agency would be justified in allowing its cabinet-level head officer to solely use a private email communications channel for the conduct of government business,” said Jason R. Baron, a lawyer at Drinker Biddle & Reath who is a former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, Nick Merrill, defended her use of the personal email account and said she has been complying with the “letter and spirit of the rules.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Under federal law, however, letters and emails written and received by federal officials, such as the secretary of state, are considered government records and are supposed to be retained so that congressional committees, historians and members of the news media can find them. There are exceptions to the law for certain classified and sensitive materials.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mrs. Clinton is not the first government official — or first secretary of state — to use a personal email account on which to conduct official business. But her exclusive use of her private email, for all of her work, appears unusual, Mr. Baron said. The use of private email accounts is supposed to be limited to emergencies, experts said, such as when an agency’s computer server is not working.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“I can recall no instance in my time at the National Archives when a high-ranking official at an executive branch agency solely used a personal email account for the transaction of government business,” said Mr. Baron, who worked at the agency from 2000 to 2013.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts be preserved as part of the agency’s records.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]But Mrs. Clinton and her aides failed to do so.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]How many emails were in Mrs. Clinton’s account is not clear, and neither is the process her advisers used to determine which ones related to her work at the State Department before turning them over.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“It’s a shame it didn’t take place automatically when she was secretary of state as it should have,” said Thomas S. Blanton, the director of the National Security Archive, a group based at George Washington University that advocates government transparency. “Someone in the State Department deserves credit for taking the initiative to ask for the records back. Most of the time it takes the threat of litigation and embarrassment.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mr. Blanton said high-level officials should operate as President Obama does, emailing from a secure government account, with every record preserved for historical purposes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“Personal emails are not secure,” he said. “Senior officials should not be using them.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Penalties for not complying with federal record-keeping requirements are rare, because the National Archives has few enforcement abilities.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mr. Merrill, the spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, declined to detail why she had chosen to conduct State Department business from her personal account. He said that because Mrs. Clinton had been sending emails to other State Department officials at their government accounts, she had “every expectation they would be retained.” He did not address emails that Mrs. Clinton may have sent to foreign leaders, people in the private sector or government officials outside the State Department.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The revelation about the private email account echoes longstanding criticisms directed at both the former secretary and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, for a lack of transparency and inclination toward secrecy.[/SIZE]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

{Sorry for the funky thread, it's impossible to find what you're looking for here nowadays...}

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And throw this in with her breaking the law, the Constitution and her own signed word and agreement in receiving funds from foreign governments during her time as US Senator and Sec. of State.

 

[joffer]

burnthebluedress@hotmail.com

 

[Jack White]

She's a liar and a socialist and her feet stink.

 

[Jayrod]

Here just north of Arkansas, I've heard too many otherwise sane people swear up and down that the Clinton's had people killed.

It appears her life's first, second, third, fourth and fifth goal is to become the first female President. Everything else means nothing to her. Career politician who stayed with Bill because it was politically convenient and would sell her soul if it meant being President.

I think that if she became President, she'd govern out of selfish ambition and profit.

 

[McGarnicle]

I can definitely relate to her being a lesbian

 

[tommyboy]

Shes really old and infirm, needs a walker and is an habitual liar, she's also insanely enriched herself since leaving the white house " broke" in 2000, meaning shes

A rrich corrupt fat cat

 

[Leviathan]

I don't understand why anyone would vote for a Clinton or a Bush from here on out, but that's just me.

That being said: the necroposts are quite entertaining!

 

[jon_mx]

Women's style would change from Yoga Pants to Suit Pants! :X :X

Plus she is a big government puke who will increase the size and power of government when we need to be moving in the opposite direction, particularly in a time where our economy is on the uptick. Otherwise future generations will be drowning in debt and the dollar will eventually lose its influence and use and we will run into high inflation. Unfortunately, Republicans are not making this their agenda, but maybe they will see the light. We need another Perot to push that agenda.

 

[Tom Servo]

She's a liar and a socialist and her feet stink.

Is that you, Rex Ryan?

 

[Tanner9919]

you could see her demise coming a mile away.no way in hell she gets the Dem nomination for the election.even before this stuff happened, her house of cards was already crumbling, they're going to tear her apart now..

tell me one thing she's done as a 'politician' , just one..

she rode her husband's coattails, she's only along for the ride...her tenure as Secy of State is enough proof that she's completely inept..

but , hey she dodged bullets on the tarmac, so there's that..

there's a big 'uh-oh' going on now with dems..they don't have a #2 option. they never have..it's funny how people joke about republicans hopefuls for the presidency, but all the dems have is Hillary , and she pretty much just went up in smoke.pooof..so joke's on them..

they better hope Biden doesn't win the nomination..although from a comedy standpoint, debates with him are the stuff of legend..

 

[fantasycurse42]

I'd bang... Personally I find her repugnant at this point, but the bragging that could be done, wow.

 

[Glass Joe]

Here just north of Arkansas, I've heard too many otherwise sane people swear up and down that the Clinton's had people killed.

It appears her life's first, second, third, fourth and fifth goal is to become the first female President. Everything else means nothing to her. Career politician who stayed with Bill because it was politically convenient and would sell her soul if it meant being President.

I think that if she became President, she'd govern out of selfish ambition and profit.

There's no serious presidential candidate that lacks ambition. I don't see why that's considered a bad thing when it comes to Hilary.

 

[James Daulton]

I don't understand why anyone would vote for a Clinton or a Bush from here on out, but that's just me.

That being said: the necroposts are quite entertaining!

Eh, the first Clinton did a pretty good job in hindsight (particularly compared to those who came after him).

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't understand why anyone would vote for a Clinton or a Bush from here on out, but that's just me.

That being said: the necroposts are quite entertaining!

Eh, the first Clinton did a pretty good job in hindsight (particularly compared to those who came after him).

Bill did do a pretty good job, but Hillary did not. Her one big policy initiative was the health care panel and it was rife with controversy and secrecy. It probably hindered health care reform and the president himself.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Here just north of Arkansas, I've heard too many otherwise sane people swear up and down that the Clinton's had people killed.

It appears her life's first, second, third, fourth and fifth goal is to become the first female President. Everything else means nothing to her. Career politician who stayed with Bill because it was politically convenient and would sell her soul if it meant being President.

I think that if she became President, she'd govern out of selfish ambition and profit.

There's no serious presidential candidate that lacks ambition. I don't see why that's considered a bad thing when it comes to Hilary.

True, but Hillary's never been able to tell a remotely compelling story for why she wants to be president other than just being president. She's the say-anything-do-anything kind, which is quite a bit different from Obama, say.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So, in summary, what has Hillary lied about?

Bosnia

Ireland

NAFTA

Iraq War support

Refco

Whitewater

Travel Office

Filegate

Health Care anecdote

Votes being counted in MI/FL

Just sort of a brief summary. I'm sure there are many, many more.

These don't make her "evil" or corrupt (though make your own conclusions).

But Filegate and Travel Office and Health Care reveal something about her we could see from her presidency: secrecy, controversy, animosity. She does not have Bill's or Barack's charisma. In the end people like them, I don't think that's the case with Hillary and I also don't think it's because she's a woman, it's because she's underhanded and treats people like sht.

 

[drfeelgood]

Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email at State Dept., Possibly Breaking Rules[SIZE=12pt]WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton exclusively used a personal email account to conduct government business as secretary of state, State Department officials said, and may have violated federal requirements that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Hillary Rodham Clinton had no government email address. Credit Liam Richards/The Canadian Press, via Associated Press [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mrs. Clinton did not have a government email address during her four-year tenure at the State Department. Her aides took no actions to have her personal emails preserved on department servers at the time, as required by the Federal Records Act.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]It was only two months ago, in response to a new State Department effort to comply with federal record-keeping practices, that Mrs. Clinton’s advisers reviewed tens of thousands of pages of her personal emails and decided which ones to turn over to the State Department. All told, 55,000 pages of emails were given to the department. Mrs. Clinton stepped down from the secretary’s post in early 2013.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Her expansive use of the private account was alarming to current and former National Archives and Records Administration officials and government watchdogs, who called it a serious breach.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“It is very difficult to conceive of a scenario — short of nuclear winter — where an agency would be justified in allowing its cabinet-level head officer to solely use a private email communications channel for the conduct of government business,” said Jason R. Baron, a lawyer at Drinker Biddle & Reath who is a former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, Nick Merrill, defended her use of the personal email account and said she has been complying with the “letter and spirit of the rules.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Under federal law, however, letters and emails written and received by federal officials, such as the secretary of state, are considered government records and are supposed to be retained so that congressional committees, historians and members of the news media can find them. There are exceptions to the law for certain classified and sensitive materials.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mrs. Clinton is not the first government official — or first secretary of state — to use a personal email account on which to conduct official business. But her exclusive use of her private email, for all of her work, appears unusual, Mr. Baron said. The use of private email accounts is supposed to be limited to emergencies, experts said, such as when an agency’s computer server is not working.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“I can recall no instance in my time at the National Archives when a high-ranking official at an executive branch agency solely used a personal email account for the transaction of government business,” said Mr. Baron, who worked at the agency from 2000 to 2013.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts be preserved as part of the agency’s records.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]But Mrs. Clinton and her aides failed to do so.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]How many emails were in Mrs. Clinton’s account is not clear, and neither is the process her advisers used to determine which ones related to her work at the State Department before turning them over.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“It’s a shame it didn’t take place automatically when she was secretary of state as it should have,” said Thomas S. Blanton, the director of the National Security Archive, a group based at George Washington University that advocates government transparency. “Someone in the State Department deserves credit for taking the initiative to ask for the records back. Most of the time it takes the threat of litigation and embarrassment.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mr. Blanton said high-level officials should operate as President Obama does, emailing from a secure government account, with every record preserved for historical purposes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“Personal emails are not secure,” he said. “Senior officials should not be using them.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Penalties for not complying with federal record-keeping requirements are rare, because the National Archives has few enforcement abilities.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mr. Merrill, the spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, declined to detail why she had chosen to conduct State Department business from her personal account. He said that because Mrs. Clinton had been sending emails to other State Department officials at their government accounts, she had “every expectation they would be retained.” He did not address emails that Mrs. Clinton may have sent to foreign leaders, people in the private sector or government officials outside the State Department.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The revelation about the private email account echoes longstanding criticisms directed at both the former secretary and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, for a lack of transparency and inclination toward secrecy.[/SIZE]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clintons-use-of-private-email-at-state-department-raises-flags.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

{Sorry for the funky thread, it's impossible to find what you're looking for here nowadays...}

Colin Powell also used private emails when he was Secretary of State.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Hillary Clinton Used Personal Email at State Dept., Possibly Breaking Rules[SIZE=12pt]WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton exclusively used a personal email account to conduct government business as secretary of state, State Department officials said, and may have violated federal requirements that officials’ correspondence be retained as part of the agency’s record.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Hillary Rodham Clinton had no government email address. Credit Liam Richards/The Canadian Press, via Associated Press [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mrs. Clinton did not have a government email address during her four-year tenure at the State Department. Her aides took no actions to have her personal emails preserved on department servers at the time, as required by the Federal Records Act.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]It was only two months ago, in response to a new State Department effort to comply with federal record-keeping practices, that Mrs. Clinton’s advisers reviewed tens of thousands of pages of her personal emails and decided which ones to turn over to the State Department. All told, 55,000 pages of emails were given to the department. Mrs. Clinton stepped down from the secretary’s post in early 2013.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Her expansive use of the private account was alarming to current and former National Archives and Records Administration officials and government watchdogs, who called it a serious breach.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“It is very difficult to conceive of a scenario — short of nuclear winter — where an agency would be justified in allowing its cabinet-level head officer to solely use a private email communications channel for the conduct of government business,” said Jason R. Baron, a lawyer at Drinker Biddle & Reath who is a former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]A spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, Nick Merrill, defended her use of the personal email account and said she has been complying with the “letter and spirit of the rules.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Under federal law, however, letters and emails written and received by federal officials, such as the secretary of state, are considered government records and are supposed to be retained so that congressional committees, historians and members of the news media can find them. There are exceptions to the law for certain classified and sensitive materials.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mrs. Clinton is not the first government official — or first secretary of state — to use a personal email account on which to conduct official business. But her exclusive use of her private email, for all of her work, appears unusual, Mr. Baron said. The use of private email accounts is supposed to be limited to emergencies, experts said, such as when an agency’s computer server is not working.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“I can recall no instance in my time at the National Archives when a high-ranking official at an executive branch agency solely used a personal email account for the transaction of government business,” said Mr. Baron, who worked at the agency from 2000 to 2013.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Regulations from the National Archives and Records Administration at the time required that any emails sent or received from personal accounts be preserved as part of the agency’s records.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]But Mrs. Clinton and her aides failed to do so.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]How many emails were in Mrs. Clinton’s account is not clear, and neither is the process her advisers used to determine which ones related to her work at the State Department before turning them over.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“It’s a shame it didn’t take place automatically when she was secretary of state as it should have,” said Thomas S. Blanton, the director of the National Security Archive, a group based at George Washington University that advocates government transparency. “Someone in the State Department deserves credit for taking the initiative to ask for the records back. Most of the time it takes the threat of litigation and embarrassment.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mr. Blanton said high-level officials should operate as President Obama does, emailing from a secure government account, with every record preserved for historical purposes.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]“Personal emails are not secure,” he said. “Senior officials should not be using them.”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Penalties for not complying with federal record-keeping requirements are rare, because the National Archives has few enforcement abilities.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mr. Merrill, the spokesman for Mrs. Clinton, declined to detail why she had chosen to conduct State Department business from her personal account. He said that because Mrs. Clinton had been sending emails to other State Department officials at their government accounts, she had “every expectation they would be retained.” He did not address emails that Mrs. Clinton may have sent to foreign leaders, people in the private sector or government officials outside the State Department.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The revelation about the private email account echoes longstanding criticisms directed at both the former secretary and her husband, former President Bill Clinton, for a lack of transparency and inclination toward secrecy.[/SIZE]

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{Sorry for the funky thread, it's impossible to find what you're looking for here nowadays...}

Colin Powell also used private emails when he was Secretary of State.

It's true, it's gone on before, I think the Obama Sec. of Housing did as well, she even invented a pseudonym?

The difference is Hillary is the first person ever to use a personal email account for ALL of her email communications. She did not even set up an exchange account.

 

[Hang 10]

You don't want to use a .gov email address when you're trying to shakedown world leaders.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And then there's that.

 

[skol asylum]

Jim Webb 2016

 

[Sinn Fein]

I'd bang... Personally I find her repugnant at this point, but the bragging that could be done, wow.

To boldly go where no man has before?

 

[James Daulton]

I don't understand why anyone would vote for a Clinton or a Bush from here on out, but that's just me.

That being said: the necroposts are quite entertaining!

Eh, the first Clinton did a pretty good job in hindsight (particularly compared to those who came after him).

Bill did do a pretty good job, but Hillary did not. Her one big policy initiative was the health care panel and it was rife with controversy and secrecy. It probably hindered health care reform and the president himself.

Well, I was just saying that I wouldn't rule out a Clinton just because of the name. A Bush I would.

I think Hillary is too old.

 

[psychobillies]

Colin Powell also used private emails when he was Secretary of State.

That took longer than usual. The old "they did it too defense".

Excellent point though, I now know not to vote for Colin Powell for president.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I suspect this will be a non-story, and given the behavior of the GOP over the last 2-3 years it's probably not enough to sway my vote if she's the Democratic nominee. But the idea of a Secretary of State conducting all business on a non-.gov email absolutely blows my mind. A couple times I could understand, business/personal lines get blurred, conversations stray, maybe you just have the wrong mobile device on you, whatever. But not even having a work email and conducting all of your business via private (and presumably much more easily hacked) email when you're the Secretary of State? Incredibly alarming. Maintaining records is a huge deal at every level of government. A normal government employee would probably get one warning and then get fired for doing that. I'm curious to hear her explanations and more details.