Let's be fair (1 Viewer)

[Kit Fisto]

I'll start the list:

New England: HGH, videotaping sidelines.

San Fran: Salary cap

Denver: Salary cap

Oakland: Steroids

San Diego: Steroids

Carolina: Steroids

Giants: Leaving doors open?

Indy: Heat, wind, noise

Minnesota: Noise

Miami: Buying film

Bengals: Blocking the play clock?

Who else am I missing? How about player tampering? Any teams accused/guilty of that?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[dgreen]

Let's be fair to Jeffrey Dahmer. Who else has killed a lot of people?

 

[AnonymousBob]

Let's be fair. At what point does being a blind homer cause you to support and justify any kind of behavior?

Stop trying to make this no big deal. You're only making Patriots fans look like complete jerkoffs.

 

[Reaper]

Let's be fair to Jeffrey Dahmer. Who else has killed a lot of people?

 

[Illegal Pants Downfield]

Let's be fair to Jeffrey Dahmer. Who else has killed a lot of people?

 

[GroveDiesel]

First, let's separate the steroids issue since that seems to be an individual issue rather than a team condoned issue.

Also, I believe that the noise issues were looked into and found not to be in any type of violation.

That pretty much leaves buying film, salary cap tampering and videotaped signals. And they're all dirty and pathetic. I think that pretty much everyone agrees that the Broncos got off WAY too easy. I honestly don't remember what the outcome of the film buying was. And the Niners got hit fairly hard, but probably not quite hard enough.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Let's be fair to Jeffrey Dahmer. Who else has killed a lot of people?

 

[BLOX]

I remember the Broncos a few years back "forgetting" their away jerseys so had to play in the heat in San Diego in their white home jerseys while San Diego had to wear their dark blue unis. That was BS and I don't really care for either team, it just really bugged me that a coach abused the system like that.

 

[BusterTBronco]

I'll start the list:New England: HGH, videotaping sidelines.San Fran: Salary cap Denver: Salary capOakland: SteroidsSan Diego: SteroidsCarolina: SteroidsGiants: Leaving doors open?Indy: Heat, wind, noiseMinnesota: NoiseMiami: Buying filmBengals: Blocking the play clock?Who else am I missing? How about player tampering? Any teams accused/guilty of that?

Yes, other teams have cheated and, in most cases, they were punished by the league. Denver lost draft picks for their salary cap violations.

 

[BusterTBronco]

I remember the Broncos a few years back "forgetting" their away jerseys so had to play in the heat in San Diego in their white home jerseys while San Diego had to wear their dark blue unis. That was BS and I don't really care for either team, it just really bugged me that a coach abused the system like that.

Um, Denver's home jerseys are blue and their away jerseys are white. The Broncos didn't "forget" anything. They brought the correct jerseys.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

Please God, make the Patriots Cheating and all other related threads go away.

 

[dgreen]

I remember the Broncos a few years back "forgetting" their away jerseys so had to play in the heat in San Diego in their white home jerseys while San Diego had to wear their dark blue unis. That was BS and I don't really care for either team, it just really bugged me that a coach abused the system like that.

Um, Denver's home jerseys are blue and their away jerseys are white. The Broncos didn't "forget" anything. They brought the correct jerseys.

Um, Denver doesn't get to pick what they wear on the road. The home team picks what they wear and the visiting team must wear the opposite.

 

[phthalatemagic]

These misdirection threads by Pat fans are

a) pathetic

b) hilarious

c) ridiculous

d) predictable

e) all of the above

 

[BaBastage]

First, let's separate the steroids issue since that seems to be an individual issue rather than a team condoned issue.Also, I believe that the noise issues were looked into and found not to be in any type of violation.That pretty much leaves buying film, salary cap tampering and videotaped signals. And they're all dirty and pathetic. I think that pretty much everyone agrees that the Broncos got off WAY too easy. I honestly don't remember what the outcome of the film buying was. And the Niners got hit fairly hard, but probably not quite hard enough.

The Niners got hit hard enough to knock them down to the laughingstock of the league for several years. Maybe not 100% because of the NFL penalties, but it pushed them over the edge.(unless I have my timing wrong, and then I apologize.)

 

[BusterTBronco]

I remember the Broncos a few years back "forgetting" their away jerseys so had to play in the heat in San Diego in their white home jerseys while San Diego had to wear their dark blue unis. That was BS and I don't really care for either team, it just really bugged me that a coach abused the system like that.

Um, Denver's home jerseys are blue and their away jerseys are white. The Broncos didn't "forget" anything. They brought the correct jerseys.

Um, Denver doesn't get to pick what they wear on the road. The home team picks what they wear and the visiting team must wear the opposite.

You can't just show up to the stadium on game day and say "gee, looks like it's gonna be hot one. We want to wear our whites today"How many times in the last 30 years have the Chargers opted to wear their whites at home? Not very many (if any)

 

[dgreen]

I remember the Broncos a few years back "forgetting" their away jerseys so had to play in the heat in San Diego in their white home jerseys while San Diego had to wear their dark blue unis. That was BS and I don't really care for either team, it just really bugged me that a coach abused the system like that.

Um, Denver's home jerseys are blue and their away jerseys are white. The Broncos didn't "forget" anything. They brought the correct jerseys.

Um, Denver doesn't get to pick what they wear on the road. The home team picks what they wear and the visiting team must wear the opposite.

You can't just show up to the stadium on game day and say "gee, looks like it's gonna be hot one. We want to wear our whites today"How many times in the last 30 years have the Chargers opted to wear their whites at home? Not very many (if any)

I'm just saying it's inaccurate to make a blanket statement that the Broncos' away jerseys are white. The Broncos' away jerseys are the opposite of whatever the home team decides to wear. Not sure what the rules are about when that has to be decided.

 

[Dought Man]

Patriot fans are not happy that the Brady/Bellichick era will now be remembered for 3 super bowl championships and the big cheating scandal. It's a big dent that will never be removed. I don't blame them for being upset and trying to act like this is no big deal.

Whenever someone says "Brady is better than Manning, look at the 3 super bowls", the argument against will always come around to the video taping.

Regardless if other teams cheat or not, you got caught. Deal with it. It's a big matzo ball out there.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I'm being serious. I'm not trying to justify NE's transgressions.

I want to know what other instances of "cheating" have been caught/accused/documented in the NFL...

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Let's be fair to Jeffrey Dahmer. Who else has killed a lot of people?

I love his "but look at all those OTHER people speeding officer!" shtick.

 

[Kit Fisto]

Let's be fair to Jeffrey Dahmer. Who else has killed a lot of people?

I love his "but look at all those OTHER people speeding officer!" shtick.

It's not schtick. I want to know what other "scandals" the NFL has had.Might be a good way of measuring what sort of penalty NE can expect.

 

[dgreen]

Let's be fair to Jeffrey Dahmer. Who else has killed a lot of people?

I love his "but look at all those OTHER people speeding officer!" shtick.

It's not schtick. I want to know what other "scandals" the NFL has had.Might be a good way of measuring what sort of penalty NE can expect.

Doubt it. New commish, new punishments.

 

[thayman]

I remember the Broncos a few years back "forgetting" their away jerseys so had to play in the heat in San Diego in their white home jerseys while San Diego had to wear their dark blue unis. That was BS and I don't really care for either team, it just really bugged me that a coach abused the system like that.

Um, Denver's home jerseys are blue and their away jerseys are white. The Broncos didn't "forget" anything. They brought the correct jerseys.

Um, Denver doesn't get to pick what they wear on the road. The home team picks what they wear and the visiting team must wear the opposite.

You can't just show up to the stadium on game day and say "gee, looks like it's gonna be hot one. We want to wear our whites today"How many times in the last 30 years have the Chargers opted to wear their whites at home? Not very many (if any)

The Chargers wore their white jerseys this past week at home IIRC

 

[omally]

I'll start the list:New England: HGH, videotaping sidelines. San Fran: Salary cap Denver: Salary capOakland: SteroidsSan Diego: SteroidsCarolina: SteroidsGiants: Leaving doors open?Indy: Heat, wind, noiseMinnesota: NoiseMiami: Buying filmBengals: Blocking the play clock?Who else am I missing? How about player tampering? Any teams accused/guilty of that?

Shouldn't steroids be added to NE also? Isn't that what Rodney Harrison was suspended for?

 

[ack34]

More teams should be as creative as the Giants and Bengals, apparently.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

I remember the Broncos a few years back "forgetting" their away jerseys so had to play in the heat in San Diego in their white home jerseys while San Diego had to wear their dark blue unis. That was BS and I don't really care for either team, it just really bugged me that a coach abused the system like that.

Um, Denver's home jerseys are blue and their away jerseys are white. The Broncos didn't "forget" anything. They brought the correct jerseys.

Um, Denver doesn't get to pick what they wear on the road. The home team picks what they wear and the visiting team must wear the opposite.

You can't just show up to the stadium on game day and say "gee, looks like it's gonna be hot one. We want to wear our whites today"How many times in the last 30 years have the Chargers opted to wear their whites at home? Not very many (if any)

There's an NFL rule that the home team has to report to the league which jersey it wants to wear.

BRONCOS EXPECT MINOR DRESSING DOWN FOR UNIFORM MIX-UP

Lynn DeBruin ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS

23 September 2003

Rocky Mountain News

The Denver Broncos, while calling last week's uniform mix-up an "honest mistake," acknowledged a fine still is likely.

Broncos general manager Ted Sundquist, however, was hopeful any fine would be the minimum, based on the effort of team officials to ease the inconvenience for San Diego.

The NFL confirmed Sunday that it was investigating a complaint from the Chargers that the Broncos violated the agreed-upon dress code by showing up with only white jerseys for the Sept. 14 game at San Diego.

The Chargers, as do all NFL teams, had made it known before the season started their choice of home uniforms.

While the Broncos saw that memo, the matter was not reviewed in the days leading up to that game.

Team equipment officials assumed Denver would wear white - as it has in San Diego the past 12 years. Sundquist said the only time Denver wore blue at San Diego was in Super Bowl XXXII.

In contrast, he said, the Chargers had worn blue in both preseason home games this year, and intend to wear blue for their remaining home games.

The Broncos game was the lone exception.

 

[Dickie Dunn]

I'll start the list:New England: HGH, videotaping sidelines. San Fran: Salary cap Denver: Salary capOakland: SteroidsSan Diego: SteroidsCarolina: SteroidsGiants: Leaving doors open?Indy: Heat, wind, noiseMinnesota: NoiseMiami: Buying filmBengals: Blocking the play clock?Who else am I missing? How about player tampering? Any teams accused/guilty of that?

Shouldn't steroids be added to NE also? Isn't that what Rodney Harrison was suspended for?

No, he was suspended for HGH and he admitted it.

 

[massraider]

"Let's be fair"?

I wish.

The rest of the NFL wishes. But some people just can't play fair. Some cheat.

 

[massraider]

I'll start the list:New England: HGH, videotaping sidelines. San Fran: Salary cap Denver: Salary capOakland: SteroidsSan Diego: SteroidsCarolina: SteroidsGiants: Leaving doors open?Indy: Heat, wind, noiseMinnesota: NoiseMiami: Buying filmBengals: Blocking the play clock?Who else am I missing? How about player tampering? Any teams accused/guilty of that?

Shouldn't steroids be added to NE also? Isn't that what Rodney Harrison was suspended for?

No, he was suspended for HGH and he admitted it.

After he was caught. What a stand up guy!

 

[Jason Wood]

Much like drunk driving...this is something I'm sure quite a few teams do (cheat in some fashion) but that doesn't mean those unlucky enough to get caught won't pay a big price.

 

[phthalatemagic]

You can't just show up to the stadium on game day and say "gee, looks like it's gonna be hot one. We want to wear our whites today"

I think they do/can.

 

[yellowdog]

You can't just show up to the stadium on game day and say "gee, looks like it's gonna be hot one. We want to wear our whites today"

I think they do/can.

I believe a team must declare their home uniforms at the beginning of the year, for the entire season.

 

[Kit Fisto]

"Let's be fair"?I wish. The rest of the NFL wishes. But some people just can't play fair. Some cheat.

You're right, they do. Patriots included. I got it.Now, can we get back to the topic at hand... what other scandals has the NFL had recently and what were the punishments?

 

[massraider]

"Let's be fair"?

I wish.

The rest of the NFL wishes. But some people just can't play fair. Some cheat.

You're right, they do. Patriots included. I got it.Now, can we get back to the topic at hand... what other scandals has the NFL had recently and what were the punishments?

What exactly is the topic at hand? All I see is a yes/no question. The answer is yes.And a list of players cheating. What happens at the end of the list? Is there a conclusion you'd like us to reach?

 

[Kit Fisto]

"Let's be fair"?

I wish.

The rest of the NFL wishes. But some people just can't play fair. Some cheat.

You're right, they do. Patriots included. I got it.Now, can we get back to the topic at hand... what other scandals has the NFL had recently and what were the punishments?

What exactly is the topic at hand? All I see is a yes/no question. The answer is yes.And a list of players cheating. What happens at the end of the list? Is there a conclusion you'd like us to reach?

I think I made it pretty clear in the original post and again my latest...What other scandals has the NFL had recently and what were the punishments?

 

[fatness]

I get it. This is where we're duped into providing arguments for others to use to say "The Patriots shouldn't be punished because other teams did X and Y."

Do your own homework.

 

[yellowdog]

San Fran salary cap:

Three years after salary-cap violations by the 49ers were suspected, NFL Commissioner Paul Tagliabue announced the settlement. Policy will pay $400,000 and Clark $200,000. The 49ers agreed to pay $300,000 and surrender their fifth pick in the 2001 draft and third selection in 2002. The settlement, made with the agreement of the NFL Players Association, also calls for the player agents involved — Leigh Steinberg, Jeff Moorad and Gary Wichard — to contribute $350,000 to charities. But the players involved will get their money, and it won't count against the 49ers' salary cap, an apparent oversight in the settlement procedure. The league then decided to increase its power to punish future violations by allowing for suspensions of a year, fines of up to $3.5 million, and the loss of two No. 1 draft choices.

ETA: Link

 

[GroveDiesel]

First, let's separate the steroids issue since that seems to be an individual issue rather than a team condoned issue.Also, I believe that the noise issues were looked into and found not to be in any type of violation.That pretty much leaves buying film, salary cap tampering and videotaped signals. And they're all dirty and pathetic. I think that pretty much everyone agrees that the Broncos got off WAY too easy. I honestly don't remember what the outcome of the film buying was. And the Niners got hit fairly hard, but probably not quite hard enough.

The Niners got hit hard enough to knock them down to the laughingstock of the league for several years. Maybe not 100% because of the NFL penalties, but it pushed them over the edge.(unless I have my timing wrong, and then I apologize.)

I think that ended up being from cap mis-management more than anything else. When all your under the table money suddenly has to be on the books, it makes the cap a lot harder to manage. The owner got hit pretty darn hard though if I recall.Edit: Nicely done by yellowdog.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I get it. This is where we're duped into providing arguments for others to use to say "The Patriots shouldn't be punished because other teams did X and Y."Do your own homework.

Thanks for your input.

 

[Jason Wood]

"Let's be fair"?

I wish.

The rest of the NFL wishes. But some people just can't play fair. Some cheat.

You're right, they do. Patriots included. I got it.Now, can we get back to the topic at hand... what other scandals has the NFL had recently and what were the punishments?

What exactly is the topic at hand? All I see is a yes/no question. The answer is yes.And a list of players cheating. What happens at the end of the list? Is there a conclusion you'd like us to reach?

I think I made it pretty clear in the original post and again my latest...What other scandals has the NFL had recently and what were the punishments?

Keith blogged about this in some detail yesterday:http://blog.footballguys.com/2007/09/11/patriot-games/

 

[Kit Fisto]

"Let's be fair"?

I wish.

The rest of the NFL wishes. But some people just can't play fair. Some cheat.

You're right, they do. Patriots included. I got it.Now, can we get back to the topic at hand... what other scandals has the NFL had recently and what were the punishments?

What exactly is the topic at hand? All I see is a yes/no question. The answer is yes.And a list of players cheating. What happens at the end of the list? Is there a conclusion you'd like us to reach?

I think I made it pretty clear in the original post and again my latest...What other scandals has the NFL had recently and what were the punishments?

Keith blogged about this in some detail yesterday:http://blog.footballguys.com/2007/09/11/patriot-games/

That's excellent, thank you.

 

[nygiants56]

Let's be fair. At what point does being a blind homer cause you to support and justify any kind of behavior?

Stop trying to make this no big deal. You're only making Patriots fans look like complete jerkoffs.

check Bill Walsh and tell me what you think of his cut blocks, picks, using umpires as picks, and the Niners in the 90's with ALL of their salary cap cheating, THEN you can throw stones at Bellichick, ok? Walsh was a dirbag of a head coach, he was easily the dirtiest coach in the history of the game..countless players had the NFL careers shortened by his

cut-blocks ( Jerry Ball)...he was a cheating, dirty coach who couldn't win without cut-blocks and setting picks , and ended many careers in the process..

thats a helluva lot worse than Bellichick and some stupid camera.MUCH WORSE..

lets also talk about the salary cap cheating the Niners used DURING and AFTER the Walsh era...its CHEATING ALL THE WAY!

why,then , would Di Bartolo be forced out of ownership by then commish , Paul Tags?!?!

c'mon now..

stop putting Walsh on some pedestal..he's a POS cheap shot artist who cheated to get to the top, and what he did is so much worse than Bellichick using a camera,its ridiculous..

give me a break..

 

[DoubleG]

I think the Bears having Devin Hester run back kicks and punts is COMPLETELY unfair.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Stop trying to make this no big deal. You're only making Patriots fans look like complete jerkoffs.

I don't think its no big deal.However, I also think that there are plenty of posters making jerkoffs of themselves by bringing up such things as the coach's personal life. Like that has anything to do this issue.