Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
There's no indication in his post that splitting wasn't allowed. Just that he wasn't allowed to get more cash.
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There is no indication in his post that getting more cash wasn't allowed. Just that he wasn't allowed to get more cash to split aces.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
This is different than "Splitting was not permitted -- otherwise, I would have gone into my wallet to get more money."
His wording and context made it sound he was not allowed to pull more money out. I am thinking he just misunderstood what the dealer was saying.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I guess I'm confused too, then. So what did the dealer say, and what did the dealer mean?
There are a million possibilities.Raider Nation said:
One possibility is that LittleLarry asked the dealer if he could split aces (as he reached into his wallet) and the dealer said no. What the dealer meant is that there's no splitting aces, but what LittleLarry thought the dealer meant is that he wasn't allowed to reach into his wallet.
I'm not going to list the other 999,999 possibilities.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Gonna need LittleLarry to clear things up here.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
CALL THE FLOOR!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I can't imagine anyone would admit to playing someplace which won't allow you to split aces. These are the same people who play at 6:5 BJ tables.
Otis
Footballguy
I enjoy playing blackjack. My wife and I go away for the night maybe once a year, leave the kids with someone, and go stay at a casino. We like sitting and playing together, drinking for free for hours and smoking cigarettes all after a big steak dinner. It's a fine time. Otis gets lit and talks trash with the dealers and acts like a clown, we make friends with other players, my wife looks hot. We enjoy the night out. So it's not just about winning money. Granted, it's WAY more fun when I'm winning, and I'd rather come out of the weekend up.
We went two weeks ago to Mohegan Sun. We got hammered and had a blast. I went nearly 5k in the hole at blackjack after a decent run up. It was a fun ride, we enjoyed it. The next morning we went down to the tables with my last few hundred bucks over our coffee before the drive home. I ran that up to 8k in about an hour. We left up. The morning wasn't nearly as fun as the night, though I sure enjoyed it.
Bottom line: lots of us do it for fun and entertainment, and sitting for one big hand wouldn't do it for me.
Otis
Footballguy
During this trip I did almost get into a brawl with an old chinese man. My wife made a call where she wasn't supposed to by the book, or vice versa, and the guy was all pissed and commented that "there are 5 dollar tables over there." I waited until she left to have a cigarette, got in his face, and was furious as I've been in a long time. I suggested I wouldn't have him speak to any woman at our table like that ever again, let alone my wife, along with a bunch of colorful language and threats. Pit boss came over, I sat down calmly and pointed at him, and acted like he was the loon. He went ballistic at some of my threats (in fairness, it was in broken English) as I put on my best innocent act, and the pit boss blamed him. Nearly got him thrown out. Guy was a ####. Totally disrespectful.
Other than that, we met awesome people and had a blast. Rest of the people at that table found us later, told us the guy was a total ****, we ended up having a blast.
Other than that, we met awesome people and had a blast. Rest of the people at that table found us later, told us the guy was a total ****, we ended up having a blast.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
You should have calmly let him know that your wife's horrendous card playing was just as likely to help him as it was to hurt him.
NIU Kicker
Footballguy
Otis
Footballguy
We all know you sit down at that card table and reality gets set aside. These nerds have RULES. I just make sure I'm playing bigger hands than everyone else because then, well, #### you, that's what.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
My favorite story. GB of mine went to a bachelor party with his frat brothers several years back. He played BJ and had $32,000 in front of him. (Confirmed, by several people. My buddy isn't one to tell tall tales anyway). So he wants to go home but none of the other guys wanted to leave. So does he peel off a few hundos and pay for a room for the evening? Does he go get a nice meal until they are ready to leave? Does he call a taxi?
Nope, being a degenerate, he goes back to play, catches an insane run of cold cards, goes on tilt and loses every dime.
The best part is that on the way home, the kid who drove asked him to chip in for gas money, and all he had on him was 75¢.
Nope, being a degenerate, he goes back to play, catches an insane run of cold cards, goes on tilt and loses every dime.
The best part is that on the way home, the kid who drove asked him to chip in for gas money, and all he had on him was 75¢.
Otis
Footballguy
Owned. Been there. Rough.My favorite story. GB of mine went to a bachelor party with his frat brothers several years back. He played BJ and had $32,000 in front of him. (Confirmed, by several people. My buddy isn't one to tell tall tales anyway). So he wants to go home but none of the other guys wanted to leave. So does he peel off a few hundos and pay for a room for the evening? Does he go get a nice meal until they are ready to leave? Does he call a taxi?
Nope, being a degenerate, he goes back to play, catches an insane run of cold cards, goes on tilt and loses every dime.
The best part is that on the way home, the kid who drove asked him to chip in for gas money, and all he had on him was 75¢.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
People always say "Why didn't you leave when you were up $______?"
But you never know what the high-water mark is gonna be. What if his goal was to make $35,000, and he was only $3K away? But once the stack gets to, like, $25,000 or so, you gotta walk. It's not how much you had a half hour ago.... it's how much you came in there with.
But you never know what the high-water mark is gonna be. What if his goal was to make $35,000, and he was only $3K away? But once the stack gets to, like, $25,000 or so, you gotta walk. It's not how much you had a half hour ago.... it's how much you came in there with.
NIU Kicker
Footballguy
Simular story - I'm at Foxwoods with a batch party and one of the guys who I've only met 2-3 times ran $500 to $14K in just over 1.5 hours. I begged him to borrow $2K because I saw the loss coming a mile away. After 5 minutes of me begging he gives me $2K. I put it in my pocket and sure enough in 2 hours busto. I gave him the $2K on the ride home.My favorite story. GB of mine went to a bachelor party with his frat brothers several years back. He played BJ and had $32,000 in front of him. (Confirmed, by several people. My buddy isn't one to tell tall tales anyway). So he wants to go home but none of the other guys wanted to leave. So does he peel off a few hundos and pay for a room for the evening? Does he go get a nice meal until they are ready to leave? Does he call a taxi?
Nope, being a degenerate, he goes back to play, catches an insane run of cold cards, goes on tilt and loses every dime.
The best part is that on the way home, the kid who drove asked him to chip in for gas money, and all he had on him was 75¢.
John Bender
Footballguy
Most of these stories sound like a normal Tuesday night for me.
Otis
Footballguy
Exactly. When I went up 70k in the gambling thread here everyone was like OMG why didn't you walk away! These are the same people who would have made a grand and shut it down. They'd never have sniffed that number in the first place.
And they only say it after someone's fortunes reverse.
When somebody is up $32,000 and then loses it all, people ask, "Why didn't you stop when you were up $32,000?"
But when somebody finishes up $60,000 and walks away, nobody ever asks, "Why didn't you stop when you were up $32,000?"
The question is precisely as appropriate in either situation.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I posted this in the wagering thread a few days ago. It's a pretty interesting documentary if you are bored.
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Holy Rollers
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Holy Rollers
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Also a good piece on casino gambling by Louis Theroux.
ETA: At the very beginning of that in the tease, we get the "Why not stop now?" from the host.
ETA: At the very beginning of that in the tease, we get the "Why not stop now?" from the host.
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I'm nowhere near Otis/Chet money. I may bring $3 to $5K to the BJ tables at the most. $25-$50 tables mainly, and if things are going beautifully, I'll grab a steak and head to the pit ($100 min.) to take a shot.
John Bender
Footballguy
It's not so much where you start but where you finish after free drinks. But usually blackjack is 75 a hand and I add 25 dollars every time I win a hand. When I lose, I start over back at 75.Craps is 75 on the table, pressing a unit everytine I hit one of my points.
Don't ask me though. I lost a 2000 dollar hand of poker 5 days ago in one of the sickest beats of all time and have finally sworn off gambling for good.... Til next weekend
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Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
The casino is the happiest place on earth, until it's not.
On Saturday afternoons, I like to go into the race book to learn the ponies from the old fellas.
On Saturday afternoons, I like to go into the race book to learn the ponies from the old fellas.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
You have to keep pressing your bets to make money at blackjack. It is much harder to win if you are betting say 100 every hand. If you start winning you got to jack up your bet. Sometimes so I don't chicken out when the bets get high I will add 25 dollars to my bet every hand for an entire shoe. When you start doubling down a couple hundred and hit is when you start making bank.
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Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Yeah I can't roll as high as you guys but last time in Vegas I did start out at $10 a hand and got hot and kept increasing. Was throwing out $250 hands at one point and ended up walking away with 2 purple chips in the end
Gave most of it back over the course of the trip but left with most of the money I had brought with me in the first place
Gave most of it back over the course of the trip but left with most of the money I had brought with me in the first place
Otis
Footballguy
I usually am black chips. 100 system. 100 first hand, if I win, 200 the second hand, and increase after each win. Reset to 1 unit after a loss. I usually freewheel and splash some more chips in here and there. On a particularly good run I was bumping up against the 1k table max. Can get some good money on the table when you're plunking down 700 bucks and need to end up splitting and doubling stuff.
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John Bender
Footballguy
Pretty much this exactly. That'd how you go on deep runs. Press a unit every time you win. Reset when you lose.
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Otis
Footballguy
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
Thanks thread...I really want to gamble now 
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Any of you guys counting actively? Gotta avoid those pesky CSMs.
IC FBGCav
Footballguy
I used to county A's and 5's but it always seems like I would make the wrong move so I quit doing it. Also I am like Otis. Me and wife go a couple times a year and are the to drink and have fun. By the end of a long session I am lucky if I can count my chips.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Haven't been to Vegas in a little bit. Does Bellagio still have the sexiest cocktail waitresses? 
The Wynn.Haven't been to Vegas in a little bit. Does Bellagio still have the sexiest cocktail waitresses?
John Bender
Footballguy
The Cosmo has the hottest regular women imoHaven't been to Vegas in a little bit. Does Bellagio still have the sexiest cocktail waitresses?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
A quick Google search revealed this.
Someone track her down.
kevzilla
Footballguy
1. Yes, but with two trips a year, it is difficult to know for sure if I have an edge.
2. Avoid CSMs whether you count or not.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
For you horse players, is there one general rule of thumb for when I'm looking up at the multiple boards from various tracks? For instance, at the dog track, we used to play ATB on the pup with the lowest odds, closest to the rail. It made for a fun, sometimes profitable afternoon. But with the huge field of horses, I feel lost. Is there a certain system I can rely on when playing ponies I know nothing about?
John Bender
Footballguy
Not particularly and this is not my strong suit. I usually pick the best jockey on the lowest odds horse.
Part of the fun is understanding the betting programs and just making the best informed decision from there imo.
Like I said, not my thing though.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
I understand the program, but the sheer enormity of the racebook can be overwhelming. So many races going off at once... so many horses at each track.
My head was swimming.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
It's such a tough, complex sport to bet. I love it but I'm not overly successful at it...there's so much data out there and angles you can take but you never know how it's going to play out
I generally look for isolated early speed (especially on speed favoring tracks) or closers when I expect a speed duel but it's a ####### crapshoot
Mark Davis
Footballguy
Exactly. Heading to Vegas tomorrow. I've actually in my years of casino gambling have never seen a table where splitting aces wasn't allowed. Unless he means resplitting aces after the initial split this would be extremely rare.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
Yes I still do. I was given the brush back back in December 2005 so I have to take it easy now. Lower stakes, no more than $50 min, and usually can't stay in one spot for long periods of time. I don't go as frequently. Now it's just when I'm in Vegas for a meeting or decide to go to the coast near where my wife's parents live to just play around for the evening. I can't go hardcore and run 8 hour shifts like I used to. Even had I not been noticed, not sure I have the mental stamina I did in my mid-late 20's when I was at my peak doing that.
Mark Davis
Footballguy
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