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Lets talk second tier Rookie RB's (1 Viewer)

..................................Darren McFadden.................................................|.................................................|.................................Rashard Mendenhall......................................John Stewart................................................|................................................|Tashard Choice---------------------------------Jamaal CharlesKevin Smith--------------------------------------Chris JohnsonRay Rice-----------------------------------------Steve SlatonMatt Forte----------------------------------------Thomas BrownIt makes sense to me. :D
CC,are you saying that Felix Jones is not in your top 11 backs? What is it about him that makes him fall so far down your list? He is one of the backs this year that seems to be polarizing the opinions, either you love him, or you hate him.Also, this is a bit nitpicky, but I don't think that Steve Slaton's game translates to the NFL very well. If I am understanding your deck of cards correctly, he would be dead last in my speed back suit.
 
1. Mendenhall ... beast. He hurts people. Please fall to me at RB3.

2. McFadden

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3. Stewart (all 3 better than Marshawn Lynch, btw)

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4. Felix Jones

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5. Ray Rice

6. Kevin Smith

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7. Jamaal Charles --- still up in the air about the rest of these rankings. Reserve the right to change.

8. Chris Johnson

9. Matt Forte

10. Tashard Choice/Steve Slaton

 
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..................................Darren McFadden.................................................|.................................................|.................................Rashard Mendenhall......................................John Stewart................................................|................................................|Tashard Choice---------------------------------Jamaal CharlesKevin Smith----------------------------------- ---Chris JohnsonRay Rice---------------------------------- ---- ---Steve SlatonMatt Forte---------------------------------- ------Thomas BrownIt makes sense to me. :lmao:
CC,are you saying that Felix Jones is not in your top 11 backs? What is it about him that makes him fall so far down your list? He is one of the backs this year that seems to be polarizing the opinions, either you love him, or you hate him.Also, this is a bit nitpicky, but I don't think that Steve Slaton's game translates to the NFL very well. If I am understanding your deck of cards correctly, he would be dead last in my speed back suit.
I have the tenth pick in my rookie draft and someone has to fall, dambit! :unsure: While the idea of a flowchart with two branches of category distinctions below the primary three RBs makes great sense to me, in my haste to construct it here, I left Felix off the list. I am however, a little low on him in comparison to most. Replace Slaton with him and bump Brown for li'l Stevie and that's how I would cut the deck. I think Felix is fine. I am very impressed by this entire crop of RBs (and have been since the 05 season). I don't think Felix necessarily did things in Arkansas that Charles and Johnson wouldn't have done better. Anyone as fast as him is going to look pretty great alongside McFadden. That's sounds like a low blow. I really don't mean it that way. Felix is a great prospect. I've gone from big love for Slaton to having him out of my top 10 in an ordered list, but in his defense, he's been getting a little bit of the buzz back lately -- all of it surrounding his potential in a receiving capacity, maybe as a slot player, maybe as a CoP back, maybe used as a hybrid like Bush. I am still a fan. I love playmakers and gamebreakers and I really hope he does find a role that translates. At his best his is great fun to watch. At his worst, he does not belong on the field.
 
My take.

1- Stewart

2- McFadden

3- Mendenhall

4- Ray Rice

5- Matt Forte

6- Kevin Smith

7- Chris Johnson

8- Felix Jones

9- Jamaal Charles

10-Tashard Choice
I like this unique list. :stalker: Although you probably have Charles too low; I'd like to see your tiers as opposed to a straight ranking.I find myself hoping Forte and Hart fall to my late picks. I think both will.

Off hand:

1- Stewart

2- McFadden

3- Mendenhall

4- Ray Rice

5- Matt Forte

6- Kevin Smith

7- Chris Johnson

8- Felix Jones

9- Jamaal Charles

10- Mike Hart

11-Tashard Choice
Real close to my tiers:1- Stewart

2- McFadden

3- Mendenhall

4- Ray Rice

5- Matt Forte

6- Kevin Smith

7- Chris Johnson

8- Felix Jones

9- Jamaal Charles

10- Tashard Choice

11- Mike Hart

At 1.7 I was originaly thinking Forte would be a reach or trade down for him. After the combine and the more I investigate I'm thinking if Rice does not fall, Forte would be my choice.

What is your late pick, I would think Forte will go well before Hart

 
My take.

1- Stewart

2- McFadden

3- Mendenhall

4- Ray Rice

5- Matt Forte

6- Kevin Smith

7- Chris Johnson

8- Felix Jones

9- Jamaal Charles

10-Tashard Choice
I like this unique list. :lmao: Although you probably have Charles too low; I'd like to see your tiers as opposed to a straight ranking.I find myself hoping Forte and Hart fall to my late picks. I think both will.

Off hand:

1- Stewart

2- McFadden

3- Mendenhall

4- Ray Rice

5- Matt Forte

6- Kevin Smith

7- Chris Johnson

8- Felix Jones

9- Jamaal Charles

10- Mike Hart

11-Tashard Choice
Real close to my tiers:1- Stewart

2- McFadden

3- Mendenhall

4- Ray Rice

5- Matt Forte

6- Kevin Smith

7- Chris Johnson

8- Felix Jones

9- Jamaal Charles

10- Tashard Choice

11- Mike Hart

At 1.7 I was originaly thinking Forte would be a reach or trade down for him. After the combine and the more I investigate I'm thinking if Rice does not fall, Forte would be my choice.

What is your late pick, I would think Forte will go well before Hart
When is the first WR taken? 1.7?
 
benson_will_lead_the_way said:
dmac37 said:
My take.

1- Stewart

2- McFadden

3- Mendenhall

4- Ray Rice

5- Matt Forte

6- Kevin Smith

7- Chris Johnson

8- Felix Jones

9- Jamaal Charles

10-Tashard Choice
I like this unique list. :shrug: Although you probably have Charles too low; I'd like to see your tiers as opposed to a straight ranking.I find myself hoping Forte and Hart fall to my late picks. I think both will.

Off hand:

1- Stewart

2- McFadden

3- Mendenhall

4- Ray Rice

5- Matt Forte

6- Kevin Smith

7- Chris Johnson

8- Felix Jones

9- Jamaal Charles

10- Mike Hart

11-Tashard Choice
Real close to my tiers:1- Stewart

2- McFadden

3- Mendenhall

4- Ray Rice

5- Matt Forte

6- Kevin Smith

7- Chris Johnson

8- Felix Jones

9- Jamaal Charles

10- Tashard Choice

11- Mike Hart

At 1.7 I was originaly thinking Forte would be a reach or trade down for him. After the combine and the more I investigate I'm thinking if Rice does not fall, Forte would be my choice.

What is your late pick, I would think Forte will go well before Hart
When is the first WR taken? 1.7?
Me personally I would not take a WR until about 1.9, I have many young WR on my roster and do not think any of the WR this year have stood out to take with a middle or higher pick. Also it is rare to find a WR to pay dividends within the first couple of years, Colston and Bowe have done it, but it is not like all signs pointed to this happening. In many leagues I'm sure WR's will start going off the board at 1.6.
 
Chaos Commish said:
..................................Darren McFadden.................................................|.................................................|.................................Rashard Mendenhall......................................John Stewart................................................|................................................|Tashard Choice---------------------------------Jamaal CharlesKevin Smith----------------------------------- ---Chris JohnsonRay Rice---------------------------------- ---- ---Steve SlatonMatt Forte---------------------------------- ------Thomas BrownIt makes sense to me. :stirspot:
CC,are you saying that Felix Jones is not in your top 11 backs? What is it about him that makes him fall so far down your list? He is one of the backs this year that seems to be polarizing the opinions, either you love him, or you hate him.Also, this is a bit nitpicky, but I don't think that Steve Slaton's game translates to the NFL very well. If I am understanding your deck of cards correctly, he would be dead last in my speed back suit.
I have the tenth pick in my rookie draft and someone has to fall, dambit! :popcorn: While the idea of a flowchart with two branches of category distinctions below the primary three RBs makes great sense to me, in my haste to construct it here, I left Felix off the list. I am however, a little low on him in comparison to most. Replace Slaton with him and bump Brown for li'l Stevie and that's how I would cut the deck. I think Felix is fine. I am very impressed by this entire crop of RBs (and have been since the 05 season). I don't think Felix necessarily did things in Arkansas that Charles and Johnson wouldn't have done better. Anyone as fast as him is going to look pretty great alongside McFadden. That's sounds like a low blow. I really don't mean it that way. Felix is a great prospect. I've gone from big love for Slaton to having him out of my top 10 in an ordered list, but in his defense, he's been getting a little bit of the buzz back lately -- all of it surrounding his potential in a receiving capacity, maybe as a slot player, maybe as a CoP back, maybe used as a hybrid like Bush. I am still a fan. I love playmakers and gamebreakers and I really hope he does find a role that translates. At his best his is great fun to watch. At his worst, he does not belong on the field.
Thanks, this is all pretty much in line with what I was thinking. If you had Felix substantially below the others though, I wanted to understand what you were seeing.
 
Ok I decided to put my REAL rankings out here despite many of my leaguemates on these boards.1- Mendenhall2- Stewart3- McFadden4- Kevin Smith5- Ray Rice6- Matt Forte7- Jamaal Charles8- Felix Jones9- Chris Johnson10- Steve Slaton
Time for me to start explaining and going in depth on these guys.Their is the big 3 in which ever order.#4) Kevin Smith- 6'1 217 ran a 4.43 at the combine with a 32 inch vertical. He led the nation in rushing last season and was a marked man. I just see a determination in him. He has good speed(which looks like he is almost gliding at times), he makes people miss, good vision and will cut back when needed, but also is good at using his blockers. The one thing that Smith needs to do is to add a little weight without losing his quickness and speed, I'm talking about another 5 pounds would really help out his frame.#5) Ray Rice- 5'8 199 ran a 4.44 at the combine 23 reps at 225, 31.5 inch vertical and a 4.2 short shuttle. Rice will never have good long speed, but he is very quick. He has perhaps the best vision in this class. He is not affraid to run inside and will initial contact. That short shuttle tells me that he can seperate initially from defenders and hit the hole quickly. He is a "Rudy" guy b/c he is undersized and doesn't have the athletic ability of McFadden or mendenhall. He is a team oriented guy and will never quit. The thing that worries me about Rice is that Schiano ran him a lot in college, how healthy are Rice's legs? #6) Matt Forte- 6'1 217 ran a 4.46 at the combine with 23 reps at 225, 33 inch vertical and a 4.23 short shuttle. I didn't expect Forte to be so athletic at the combine. He looks like a RB and now has enough athletic ability to produce like one at the NFL level. He has great vision and agility. Will lower his shoulder to get the extra yard, but will easily avoid defenders for such a big back. The knock on Forte(from me anyways now that he proved his athletic ability) is that he did it against lower competition and he doesn't have that "wow" factor. McFadden was in the SEC, Stewart was the #1 Rb recruit from this class, mendenhall had a great rose bowl, Smith led the Nation in yards, Rice single handedly brought Rutgers football back, Chris Johnson ran a 4.24, etc. Forte doesn't have that....but it provides him to be a tremendous sleeper in this draft.#7) Jamaal Charles- 5'11 200 ran a 4.38 with a 30.5 vertical and a 4.22 short shuttle. I believe that Charles, along with Felix Jones had a poor combine. I think that Charles is more athletic than that. However, even those numbers show that this kid is athletic. I believe that people have kind of pushed away Charles as....vince young made him look good, you know texas RB's(see Benson), he is just a speed guy on the outside, etc. However, the more film I have seen from this kid has shown otherwise. When he first came to texas, yes his athletic ability was easy to see and he did bounce a lot to the outside and carried the ball almost exclusively in his left arm. However, two years later, looking at his junior year. He cuts inside and will lower his shoulder. He carries the ball in both arms and has great hands. Will Charles ever be a power back? No but I do believe he has enough power. Will he fumble? Yes, because that is one knock on him. The one thing with Charles is that he is raw. He needs more seasoning....pass blocking...reading defenses....putting on about 5-10 pounds. However, if you discredit this kid....then you are letting a phenomenal talent slip through the cracks.#8) Felix Jones- 5'10 207 ran a 4.47 with 8 reps at 225(Brady Quinn had 24 last year), 33.5 vertical and a 4.19 short shuttle. Felix had a disappointing combine from the fact of the forty time. Yes it was just one day and maybe he wasn't fast on that day. He needs to have a great pro day(4.35). But looking at the vertical and the short shuttle it shows that the athletic ability is there. Being overshadowed by DMC he needed to have a chip on his shoulder at the the combine and it didn't look like it was there. He didnt' look the part of an NFL running back.....to me anyways. I love Felix's lateral agility and playmaking ability. However, I don't think he looks the part and needs a good Pro Day to move up in my rankings. I think he was a product of DMC's system and catching defenses off guard.#9) Chris Johnson- 5-11 197 ran a 4.24 with a 35 inch vertical jump, also a 10'10 broad jump. This kid has explosion and athletic ability. To put that in perspective...Reggie Bush ran a 4.33 at his Pro Day with a broad jump a 10' 9 and a vert of 40.5. So this kid could be more explosive than Bush. What is his knock? He is small and doesn't have a lot of power. However, the more I see of him....the more I see he can break tackles, lowers his shoulder when he needs too and takes good angles to avoid defenders. 4.24....seriously guys.....that is unreal at the RB position. If you think that he is almost .1 faster than Reggie Bush and McFadden.#10) Steve Slaton- 5'9 197 ran a 4.44 with 19 reps at 225, and a 33.5 verical jump. A year ago Slaton was overrated and had a disappointing senior season. At this point, I believe that he is underrated. So many people have knocked him down, that if he can fight through it, he will be a heck of a steal. He has the athletic ability, he can make moves, outrun defenders, has great hands, lots of experience in big games(see Sugar Bowl) but a couple of injuries and a disappointing senior year. That has people looking at a possible 4th round pick in the NFL draft. If he goes to a ZBS he could be amazing with this chip on his shoulder.
 
Ok I decided to put my REAL rankings out here despite many of my leaguemates on these boards.1- Mendenhall2- Stewart3- McFadden4- Kevin Smith5- Ray Rice6- Matt Forte7- Jamaal Charles8- Felix Jones9- Chris Johnson10- Steve Slaton
Time for me to start explaining and going in depth on these guys.Their is the big 3 in which ever order.#4) Kevin Smith- 6'1 217 ran a 4.43 at the combine with a 32 inch vertical. He led the nation in rushing last season and was a marked man. I just see a determination in him. He has good speed(which looks like he is almost gliding at times), he makes people miss, good vision and will cut back when needed, but also is good at using his blockers. The one thing that Smith needs to do is to add a little weight without losing his quickness and speed, I'm talking about another 5 pounds would really help out his frame.#5) Ray Rice- 5'8 199 ran a 4.44 at the combine 23 reps at 225, 31.5 inch vertical and a 4.2 short shuttle. Rice will never have good long speed, but he is very quick. He has perhaps the best vision in this class. He is not affraid to run inside and will initial contact. That short shuttle tells me that he can seperate initially from defenders and hit the hole quickly. He is a "Rudy" guy b/c he is undersized and doesn't have the athletic ability of McFadden or mendenhall. He is a team oriented guy and will never quit. The thing that worries me about Rice is that Schiano ran him a lot in college, how healthy are Rice's legs? #6) Matt Forte- 6'1 217 ran a 4.46 at the combine with 23 reps at 225, 33 inch vertical and a 4.23 short shuttle. I didn't expect Forte to be so athletic at the combine. He looks like a RB and now has enough athletic ability to produce like one at the NFL level. He has great vision and agility. Will lower his shoulder to get the extra yard, but will easily avoid defenders for such a big back. The knock on Forte(from me anyways now that he proved his athletic ability) is that he did it against lower competition and he doesn't have that "wow" factor. McFadden was in the SEC, Stewart was the #1 Rb recruit from this class, mendenhall had a great rose bowl, Smith led the Nation in yards, Rice single handedly brought Rutgers football back, Chris Johnson ran a 4.24, etc. Forte doesn't have that....but it provides him to be a tremendous sleeper in this draft.#7) Jamaal Charles- 5'11 200 ran a 4.38 with a 30.5 vertical and a 4.22 short shuttle. I believe that Charles, along with Felix Jones had a poor combine. I think that Charles is more athletic than that. However, even those numbers show that this kid is athletic. I believe that people have kind of pushed away Charles as....vince young made him look good, you know texas RB's(see Benson), he is just a speed guy on the outside, etc. However, the more film I have seen from this kid has shown otherwise. When he first came to texas, yes his athletic ability was easy to see and he did bounce a lot to the outside and carried the ball almost exclusively in his left arm. However, two years later, looking at his junior year. He cuts inside and will lower his shoulder. He carries the ball in both arms and has great hands. Will Charles ever be a power back? No but I do believe he has enough power. Will he fumble? Yes, because that is one knock on him. The one thing with Charles is that he is raw. He needs more seasoning....pass blocking...reading defenses....putting on about 5-10 pounds. However, if you discredit this kid....then you are letting a phenomenal talent slip through the cracks.#8) Felix Jones- 5'10 207 ran a 4.47 with 8 reps at 225(Brady Quinn had 24 last year), 33.5 vertical and a 4.19 short shuttle. Felix had a disappointing combine from the fact of the forty time. Yes it was just one day and maybe he wasn't fast on that day. He needs to have a great pro day(4.35). But looking at the vertical and the short shuttle it shows that the athletic ability is there. Being overshadowed by DMC he needed to have a chip on his shoulder at the the combine and it didn't look like it was there. He didnt' look the part of an NFL running back.....to me anyways. I love Felix's lateral agility and playmaking ability. However, I don't think he looks the part and needs a good Pro Day to move up in my rankings. I think he was a product of DMC's system and catching defenses off guard.#9) Chris Johnson- 5-11 197 ran a 4.24 with a 35 inch vertical jump, also a 10'10 broad jump. This kid has explosion and athletic ability. To put that in perspective...Reggie Bush ran a 4.33 at his Pro Day with a broad jump a 10' 9 and a vert of 40.5. So this kid could be more explosive than Bush. What is his knock? He is small and doesn't have a lot of power. However, the more I see of him....the more I see he can break tackles, lowers his shoulder when he needs too and takes good angles to avoid defenders. 4.24....seriously guys.....that is unreal at the RB position. If you think that he is almost .1 faster than Reggie Bush and McFadden.#10) Steve Slaton- 5'9 197 ran a 4.44 with 19 reps at 225, and a 33.5 verical jump. A year ago Slaton was overrated and had a disappointing senior season. At this point, I believe that he is underrated. So many people have knocked him down, that if he can fight through it, he will be a heck of a steal. He has the athletic ability, he can make moves, outrun defenders, has great hands, lots of experience in big games(see Sugar Bowl) but a couple of injuries and a disappointing senior year. That has people looking at a possible 4th round pick in the NFL draft. If he goes to a ZBS he could be amazing with this chip on his shoulder.
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With so many quality RBs in the draft, are we going to see them fall further than we might otherwise expect?

Also, is there a window we'd expect to see these 2nd tier RBs who don't go into good situations, before their values fall? They can't all be starters, some will be like Lamont Jordan and Michael Turner (get drafted behind a stud and wait... and wait...)

so what I'm wondering, if it gets to the picks when you can choose a top rated WR or QB, or one of these 2nd tiered RBs in a less than great situation does anyone here have a plan for how they pick, or is it totally situational dependent?

 
With so many quality RBs in the draft, are we going to see them fall further than we might otherwise expect?Also, is there a window we'd expect to see these 2nd tier RBs who don't go into good situations, before their values fall? They can't all be starters, some will be like Lamont Jordan and Michael Turner (get drafted behind a stud and wait... and wait...) so what I'm wondering, if it gets to the picks when you can choose a top rated WR or QB, or one of these 2nd tiered RBs in a less than great situation does anyone here have a plan for how they pick, or is it totally situational dependent?
From another thread:
HoustonSeattleClevelandChicagoDetroitAtlantaArizonaTampa BayDenverCarolinaOaklandCincinnatiNY JetsI'd say those are the most desirable places for a Rookie RB to land. That said, Michael Turner will likely be signed by one of these teams. There is a good chance McFadden goes to Oakland or the Jets, IMO. Mendenhall and Stewart we know will be 1st Rounders, likely going to two of the other teams on this list. So 9 more teams should provide the opportunity for a Rookie RB to come in and compete for a starting job by 2009.That does bode well for the 2nd tier 'backs, so I suppose Jones, Johnson, Charles, Rice, Smith, Forte really could hold solid value if the right teams picks them. And by that I mean, at best, the RBs could hold the top 9 spots on my list. I still think Hardy, Sweed, or Kelly could sneak in, depending on where they land. There would be almost no reason I would take Slaton, Choice, Thoams Brown, Mike Hart, or any other RB beyond them ahead of those WRs, regardless of where they all land.
We've discussed the possibility of the top 10 picks overall being all RBs in a given Rookie Draft. But I have concluded that the RB's "value" will probably drop depending on the situation they are drafted into. There just isn't any elite fantasy WR1 talent to suggest that there would be a top 5-10 LOCK at that position. Even if Matt Ryan is drafted into an ideal situation, it would be too hard for me to put him ahead of my top 7 RBs.
 
Wow, a lot of people are underestimating Rice. He had only one knock on him, and he slammed that door shut by his great combine performance. Not sure why people keep saying he is small. He is, in fact, bigger than McFadden. McFadden is only 205 lbs, and Rice (outside of the combine) is usually around 215. Yes he is shorter, but that is probably an advantage more than a disadvantage.

If you look at his career stats, they compare favorably to all of the RBs in this years draft. In fact, Mendenhall and Stewart are not even in the same ballpark regarding collegiate accomplishments. I'll sit back and wait for Rice to land in my lap, while other, less proven collegiate backs are picked up because they happen to be the flavor of the day.

 
Wow, a lot of people are underestimating Rice. He had only one knock on him, and he slammed that door shut by his great combine performance. Not sure why people keep saying he is small. He is, in fact, bigger than McFadden. McFadden is only 205 lbs, and Rice (outside of the combine) is usually around 215. Yes he is shorter, but that is probably an advantage more than a disadvantage.If you look at his career stats, they compare favorably to all of the RBs in this years draft. In fact, Mendenhall and Stewart are not even in the same ballpark regarding collegiate accomplishments. I'll sit back and wait for Rice to land in my lap, while other, less proven collegiate backs are picked up because they happen to be the flavor of the day.
To be fair, I haven't seen hardly anyone rank him outside their top 5.
 
Wow, a lot of people are underestimating Rice. He had only one knock on him, and he slammed that door shut by his great combine performance. Not sure why people keep saying he is small. He is, in fact, bigger than McFadden. McFadden is only 205 lbs, and Rice (outside of the combine) is usually around 215. Yes he is shorter, but that is probably an advantage more than a disadvantage.If you look at his career stats, they compare favorably to all of the RBs in this years draft. In fact, Mendenhall and Stewart are not even in the same ballpark regarding collegiate accomplishments. I'll sit back and wait for Rice to land in my lap, while other, less proven collegiate backs are picked up because they happen to be the flavor of the day.
That's great, but both McFadden and Rice have discussed their weight recently. Rice played at about 205 last season, but he was a little embarrassed by how much fat he carried. He slimmed down to 199 for the combine with the help of professional training and dieting. He is very developed for his frame and not a candidate to play over 210. He is a 200 - 205 pound NFL power back with great quicks. Interesting package, very durable, great endurance, and dependable. McFadden played most of last season at his August weigh in weight and his listed Arkansas weight -- 215. He did admit to being around 218 late in the season -- identical to Peterson's weight last season. He also slimmed down to 211 to optimize his 40 for the scouts. He will play much of his career around 220. None of this makes McFadden better than Rice. I hope you get your guy.
 
I am curious how owners feel about this draft and 2005. 2005 was not quite as deep but the big 3 was Brown, Caddy and Benson with a 2nd group of M Barber, Gore, Jacobs, Shelton, and Arrington.

Just wondering if everyone will get caught in the top 3 like that year and the best value will come with the 2nd tier or 3rd tier guys in the end. Is it really worth moving up to the top 3 in the end. History is not on your side outside of LT and Peterson.

2006 was kind of the same with Bush, DeAngelo and Maroney with White and Addai in the 2nd tier.

 
I am curious how owners feel about this draft and 2005. 2005 was not quite as deep but the big 3 was Brown, Caddy and Benson with a 2nd group of M Barber, Gore, Jacobs, Shelton, and Arrington.

Just wondering if everyone will get caught in the top 3 like that year and the best value will come with the 2nd tier or 3rd tier guys in the end. Is it really worth moving up to the top 3 in the end. History is not on your side outside of LT and Peterson.

2006 was kind of the same with Bush, DeAngelo and Maroney with White and Addai in the 2nd tier.
MJD down?
 
I am curious how owners feel about this draft and 2005. 2005 was not quite as deep but the big 3 was Brown, Caddy and Benson with a 2nd group of M Barber, Gore, Jacobs, Shelton, and Arrington.

Just wondering if everyone will get caught in the top 3 like that year and the best value will come with the 2nd tier or 3rd tier guys in the end. Is it really worth moving up to the top 3 in the end. History is not on your side outside of LT and Peterson.

2006 was kind of the same with Bush, DeAngelo and Maroney with White and Addai in the 2nd tier.
MJD down?
yup down in the 3rd tier in 2006

 
I am curious how owners feel about this draft and 2005. 2005 was not quite as deep but the big 3 was Brown, Caddy and Benson with a 2nd group of M Barber, Gore, Jacobs, Shelton, and Arrington. Just wondering if everyone will get caught in the top 3 like that year and the best value will come with the 2nd tier or 3rd tier guys in the end. Is it really worth moving up to the top 3 in the end. History is not on your side outside of LT and Peterson. 2006 was kind of the same with Bush, DeAngelo and Maroney with White and Addai in the 2nd tier.
Its similiar to 2006. But this class has sooo much speed and depth.
 
I'd like more insight on Ray Rice. I like him....but not as much as some in here. Just would like to know why?
He may not be the fastest RB in the draft but he may be the quickest and his solid short frame seems to transfer to the NFL better than the taller "chicken legs" build. He has the complete package-vision, quickness, footwork, breaking tackles, receiving out of the backfield, blocking, and even showed speed at the combine.One scout from the combine was quoted as saying the NFL is all about inside running and Rice is the best inside runner in the draft.
 
I'd like more insight on Ray Rice. I like him....but not as much as some in here. Just would like to know why?
He may not be the fastest RB in the draft but he may be the quickest and his solid short frame seems to transfer to the NFL better than the taller "chicken legs" build. He has the complete package-vision, quickness, footwork, breaking tackles, receiving out of the backfield, blocking, and even showed speed at the combine.One scout from the combine was quoted as saying the NFL is all about inside running and Rice is the best inside runner in the draft.
I think Rice is a better version of Tashard Choice. They both seem to be pretty complete backs that can do it all. I like their upside over Johnson, charles and Felix who seem to fit the 3rd down back role.
 
I think Rice is a better version of Tashard Choice. They both seem to be pretty complete backs that can do it all. I like their upside over Johnson, charles and Felix who seem to fit the 3rd down back role.
i was surprised to learn that he's 24 years old. i can't decide if it's a good or bad thing...
 
I think Rice is a better version of Tashard Choice. They both seem to be pretty complete backs that can do it all. I like their upside over Johnson, charles and Felix who seem to fit the 3rd down back role.
i was surprised to learn that he's 24 years old. i can't decide if it's a good or bad thing...
If he's 24 and act like he's 18 then its a bad thing.
 
I think Rice is a better version of Tashard Choice. They both seem to be pretty complete backs that can do it all. I like their upside over Johnson, charles and Felix who seem to fit the 3rd down back role.
i was surprised to learn that he's 24 years old. i can't decide if it's a good or bad thing...
I tend to think it's a bad thing. If he had the talent, he'd already be in the NFL.
 
I'd like more insight on Ray Rice. I like him....but not as much as some in here. Just would like to know why?
He may not be the fastest RB in the draft but he may be the quickest and his solid short frame seems to transfer to the NFL better than the taller "chicken legs" build. He has the complete package-vision, quickness, footwork, breaking tackles, receiving out of the backfield, blocking, and even showed speed at the combine.One scout from the combine was quoted as saying the NFL is all about inside running and Rice is the best inside runner in the draft.
Not concerned about all of those carries in college? or that he got caught from behind by college LB's....that means DE's will catch him from behind.
 
I think Rice is a better version of Tashard Choice. They both seem to be pretty complete backs that can do it all. I like their upside over Johnson, charles and Felix who seem to fit the 3rd down back role.
i was surprised to learn that he's 24 years old. i can't decide if it's a good or bad thing...
I tend to think it's a bad thing. If he had the talent, he'd already be in the NFL.
His production that last 2 years at Ga Tech say differently. I cant really knock a guy for staying in college..
 
I think Rice is a better version of Tashard Choice. They both seem to be pretty complete backs that can do it all. I like their upside over Johnson, charles and Felix who seem to fit the 3rd down back role.
i was surprised to learn that he's 24 years old. i can't decide if it's a good or bad thing...
I tend to think it's a bad thing. If he had the talent, he'd already be in the NFL.
His production that last 2 years at Ga Tech say differently. I cant really knock a guy for staying in college..
We may have to agree to disagree. My thinking is that if you can get paid you do it rather than risk injury.Maybe you know of some good reason he stayed in school? I'll admit I don't know all that much about him, but his age is a red flag for me.

 
I think Rice is a better version of Tashard Choice. They both seem to be pretty complete backs that can do it all. I like their upside over Johnson, charles and Felix who seem to fit the 3rd down back role.
i was surprised to learn that he's 24 years old. i can't decide if it's a good or bad thing...
I tend to think it's a bad thing. If he had the talent, he'd already be in the NFL.
His production that last 2 years at Ga Tech say differently. I cant really knock a guy for staying in college..
We may have to agree to disagree. My thinking is that if you can get paid you do it rather than risk injury.Maybe you know of some good reason he stayed in school? I'll admit I don't know all that much about him, but his age is a red flag for me.
I know he transfered after his sophmore year when Peterson showed up in Oklahoma. I guess he could've came out after his junior year after 1 year as the starter at Ga Tech. Maybe he wanted his degree? Maybe his family wasnt financially strapped so he could afford to stay for his senior year, I have no idea.
 
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Not concerned about all of those carries in college? or that he got caught from behind by college LB's....that means DE's will catch him from behind.
The number of carries in college is definitely a concern. But it also speaks volumes of his durability. Although I have seen him get caught from behind before, I didn't see LB's doing it. Just look at his 40 time. He ran a very good 40 and that is by no means his strength. What he lacks in long distance speed, he makes up for in with his vision and quickness. His strength is that he can be given the rock 30 times in a game and not wear down. And you don't have to worry about fumbling. He is as solid as it gets when it comes to the RB position. If he stayed for his senior year, he would probably have broken the NCAA rushing record.
 
Not concerned about all of those carries in college? or that he got caught from behind by college LB's....that means DE's will catch him from behind.
The number of carries in college is definitely a concern. But it also speaks volumes of his durability. Although I have seen him get caught from behind before, I didn't see LB's doing it. Just look at his 40 time. He ran a very good 40 and that is by no means his strength. What he lacks in long distance speed, he makes up for in with his vision and quickness. His strength is that he can be given the rock 30 times in a game and not wear down. And you don't have to worry about fumbling. He is as solid as it gets when it comes to the RB position. If he stayed for his senior year, he would probably have broken the NCAA rushing record.
If you look at the tape of Rice, these plays in which he is run down by DBs after a 40 or 50 yard run is more of a reflection of conditioning, than speed. As has been noted, he was carrying more weight than he should have during the season. Perhaps under an NFL strength and conditioning program, he will improve his stamina on long runs. He seemed to be okay on the 90-yd TD run in the International Bowl. But to say that he is going to get run down by DEs is just not accurate. He is very fast through the line, and can get to the outside. Add to that the intangibles, such as his vision, a great stiff arm, patience in allowing his blockers to create openings, and the fact that he never fumbles, and you have a pretty good prospect. And don't discount the effect of playing for Schiano and with Brian Leonard. Rutgers turns out strong character guys who have team-first attitudes and don't carry any swagger or attitude.
 
Brutis said:
I know he transfered after his sophmore year when Peterson showed up in Oklahoma. I guess he could've came out after his junior year after 1 year as the starter at Ga Tech. Maybe he wanted his degree? Maybe his family wasnt financially strapped so he could afford to stay for his senior year, I have no idea.
apparently, he got a medical redshirt/waiver because his mother was ill. he transferred to be closer to his mother back in GA. that being said, while it's great that he played four years and was on the honor roll for three years, i'm cautious. he had good production and certainly looks the part. i think he's a back-up and/or change of pace.
 
Brutis said:
I know he transfered after his sophmore year when Peterson showed up in Oklahoma. I guess he could've came out after his junior year after 1 year as the starter at Ga Tech. Maybe he wanted his degree? Maybe his family wasnt financially strapped so he could afford to stay for his senior year, I have no idea.
apparently, he got a medical redshirt/waiver because his mother was ill. he transferred to be closer to his mother back in GA. that being said, while it's great that he played four years and was on the honor roll for three years, i'm cautious. he had good production and certainly looks the part. i think he's a back-up and/or change of pace.
I definitely think he is a back-up but one that could come in to carry the load if the starter missed any amount of time. He has the body and running style for a full-time job. Not for a permanent 3rd down type of role like charles, johnson and felix jones.
 
Interested in peoples opinions on Yvenson Bernard from Oregon State. I didn't see him at the Combine...not sure why.

He was a productive back all three seasons rushing (1321, 1307, 1214) with a 4.4 ypc (all three seasons) and 13, 12, 13 in the touchdown column. He is on the smaller side (5'9 202) and had 37,43,36 in the reception columns for his three seasons. ESPN shows him having zero fumbles for those three years as well.

I had the chance to watch him a few times living here the Pacific NW and enjoyed watching him. I have heard little talk of him on the board.

 
Interested in peoples opinions on Yvenson Bernard from Oregon State. I didn't see him at the Combine...not sure why.He was a productive back all three seasons rushing (1321, 1307, 1214) with a 4.4 ypc (all three seasons) and 13, 12, 13 in the touchdown column. He is on the smaller side (5'9 202) and had 37,43,36 in the reception columns for his three seasons. ESPN shows him having zero fumbles for those three years as well. I had the chance to watch him a few times living here the Pacific NW and enjoyed watching him. I have heard little talk of him on the board.
Decent player, but he's dead in the water at the next level. He's too small to be as slow as he is. He ran in the 4.7-4.8 range at the combine.
 
I'd like more insight on Ray Rice. I like him....but not as much as some in here. Just would like to know why?
He may not be the fastest RB in the draft but he may be the quickest and his solid short frame seems to transfer to the NFL better than the taller "chicken legs" build. He has the complete package-vision, quickness, footwork, breaking tackles, receiving out of the backfield, blocking, and even showed speed at the combine.One scout from the combine was quoted as saying the NFL is all about inside running and Rice is the best inside runner in the draft.
Rice has not shown much at all in the passing game, how do you know he is a solid receiver out of the backfield and blocker? He hasn't been given the opportunity.
 
I'd like more insight on Ray Rice. I like him....but not as much as some in here. Just would like to know why?
He may not be the fastest RB in the draft but he may be the quickest and his solid short frame seems to transfer to the NFL better than the taller "chicken legs" build. He has the complete package-vision, quickness, footwork, breaking tackles, receiving out of the backfield, blocking, and even showed speed at the combine.One scout from the combine was quoted as saying the NFL is all about inside running and Rice is the best inside runner in the draft.
Rice has not shown much at all in the passing game, how do you know he is a solid receiver out of the backfield and blocker? He hasn't been given the opportunity.
He worked hard on the blocking/receiving portion of his game last off season. With Leonard gone he became an every down back and had 25 receptions last year. Not sure how good his hands are but he seemed to make himself a good option in the passing game. I could be wrong but also thought I read that he did a good job of picking up blitzes. You may have a point and the jury is still out on his receiving and blocking.
 
Brutis said:
I know he transfered after his sophmore year when Peterson showed up in Oklahoma. I guess he could've came out after his junior year after 1 year as the starter at Ga Tech. Maybe he wanted his degree? Maybe his family wasnt financially strapped so he could afford to stay for his senior year, I have no idea.
apparently, he got a medical redshirt/waiver because his mother was ill. he transferred to be closer to his mother back in GA. that being said, while it's great that he played four years and was on the honor roll for three years, i'm cautious. he had good production and certainly looks the part. i think he's a back-up and/or change of pace.
I definitely think he is a back-up but one that could come in to carry the load if the starter missed any amount of time. He has the body and running style for a full-time job. Not for a permanent 3rd down type of role like charles, johnson and felix jones.
I'm not sure why many have this opinion regarding Felix Jones. At 5'10" and 207, he is has a build of a true NFL feature back. He is explosive, has the best elusiveness and lateral quickness of all the prospects, is a great receiver, and has great instincts. Some would argue that he has a skill set more suited for the NFL than McFadden (I would be one of them), and also a more traditional RB build. He will probably need to put on a few pounds and improve his upper body strength, but I see him as being an immediate threat for 200 carries and 40 catches, with the talent/potential to be a true feature back at the next level. I have the 4th pick in my rookie/FA draft, and I am thrilled that it is looking like he will be there for me.
 
Interested in peoples opinions on Yvenson Bernard from Oregon State. I didn't see him at the Combine...not sure why.He was a productive back all three seasons rushing (1321, 1307, 1214) with a 4.4 ypc (all three seasons) and 13, 12, 13 in the touchdown column. He is on the smaller side (5'9 202) and had 37,43,36 in the reception columns for his three seasons. ESPN shows him having zero fumbles for those three years as well. I had the chance to watch him a few times living here the Pacific NW and enjoyed watching him. I have heard little talk of him on the board.
Decent player, but he's dead in the water at the next level. He's too small to be as slow as he is. He ran in the 4.7-4.8 range at the combine.
Did you see him run? I ask 'cause I didn't get to see him at all except for the Senior Bowl. Some guys (see Michigan) run well on the field, but don't have the proper "form" or track-training and you can see that their start and sprint form are lacking. You can gain .2 in your 40 with good training and for that reason, I still believe in M.Hart.
 
Interested in peoples opinions on Yvenson Bernard from Oregon State. I didn't see him at the Combine...not sure why.He was a productive back all three seasons rushing (1321, 1307, 1214) with a 4.4 ypc (all three seasons) and 13, 12, 13 in the touchdown column. He is on the smaller side (5'9 202) and had 37,43,36 in the reception columns for his three seasons. ESPN shows him having zero fumbles for those three years as well. I had the chance to watch him a few times living here the Pacific NW and enjoyed watching him. I have heard little talk of him on the board.
Decent player, but he's dead in the water at the next level. He's too small to be as slow as he is. He ran in the 4.7-4.8 range at the combine.
Did you see him run? I ask 'cause I didn't get to see him at all except for the Senior Bowl. Some guys (see Michigan) run well on the field, but don't have the proper "form" or track-training and you can see that their start and sprint form are lacking. You can gain .2 in your 40 with good training and for that reason, I still believe in M.Hart.
You don't think Mike Hart knows that speed is his weakness and worked on his forty time? If you watch tape of Hart, he has a lot of "heart" and was a very good college player, but he doesn't have the physical skills to succeed at the next level.
 
Interested in peoples opinions on Yvenson Bernard from Oregon State. I didn't see him at the Combine...not sure why.He was a productive back all three seasons rushing (1321, 1307, 1214) with a 4.4 ypc (all three seasons) and 13, 12, 13 in the touchdown column. He is on the smaller side (5'9 202) and had 37,43,36 in the reception columns for his three seasons. ESPN shows him having zero fumbles for those three years as well. I had the chance to watch him a few times living here the Pacific NW and enjoyed watching him. I have heard little talk of him on the board.
Decent player, but he's dead in the water at the next level. He's too small to be as slow as he is. He ran in the 4.7-4.8 range at the combine.
Did you see him run? I ask 'cause I didn't get to see him at all except for the Senior Bowl. Some guys (see Michigan) run well on the field, but don't have the proper "form" or track-training and you can see that their start and sprint form are lacking. You can gain .2 in your 40 with good training and for that reason, I still believe in M.Hart.
Take .2 seconds off his 40 time and he's still running a 4.6, which is pretty slow for a scat back. Bernard runs hard and was a solid performer in college, but he just doesn't quite have the pop in his legs needed to make an impact at the next level. I look for him to be an undrafted free agent and wash out of the league sooner rather than later.
 
I need the 411 on Jalen Parmele. He has ideal size and completed impressive workouts at both the combine and his pro-day.

 
It is difficult for me to take RB advice from a guy who's avatar is Benson Will Lead the Way.
I find it difficult listening to armchair quarterbacks that have never played/coached football(beyond HS).
No argument there.
So you're only going to listen to people who've either played or coached in college football or beyond?BTW, I think Mike Hart is definately a 2nd tier RB. I know he'll find a spot somewhere and work hard and get the ball somehow, someway.He isn't the fastest or biggest guy but he's got the intensity, the will and he's got extremely good vision. He fumbled twice his last game as a Wolverine but that was almost comical (only because they won) because the guy heading into that game just didn't fumble. I think whatever teams ends up with Mike Hart will find themselves with a steal because with all these backs being mentioned ahead of him, he'll slip in the draft and someone will have a good football player on their hands.
No I just find it difficult.I think Hart is too average.....the only thing that he brings to the table is toughness. But even that toughness was at the college level, he might not be able to take the beating in the NFL b/c he is undersized.
He is easily the best blocker in this class.... that'll get him on the field early.
 
If Felix isn't in the first tier, than he IS the second tier, and the rest are in the third tier.

 
It is difficult for me to take RB advice from a guy who's avatar is Benson Will Lead the Way.
I find it difficult listening to armchair quarterbacks that have never played/coached football(beyond HS).
I find it hard to know that without asking. At least a SN like "Benson will lead the way" gives the rest of us a pretty good idea of your (in)ability to rank RBs well.
Then why don't you ask Switz? and Again...I never said Benson was the most talented or best RB in the NFL. He is perfect fit for the Bears power running game, once they fix the Oline and QB issues...he will be a good RB in this league. Quote me when I have said anything more than that.
 

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