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Lewis signed... Whats this mean for Denver? (1 Viewer)

ssackett82

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With Lewis signed who do you think will be the feature back in Denver?? I really hope Shanny gives Bell the chance to show he can be a everydown back and carry the load. It's a given they will most likely draft a RB. I dont know what it is but i just dont like the thought of Dayne being the man in Denver!!

 
Kubiak probably has Bush coming in, making DD expendable. DD would probably run well in the Denver scheme. With the extra 1st round pick, Denver could also probably afford to spend the mid-round pick it would cost to get DD.

Not that I think it is likely to happen, but it was quick to cross the mind.

 
Dayne is the man, now!
Shanahan simply can't be this stupid. It's just not possible.
I hope he is, so I can trade Dayne as soon as possible to someone that needs a RB. :P And it's looking better by the minute.
Better strike while he's hot... his value will never be higher than it isright now! I traded him right after MA was released. ;)

 
Kubiak probably has Bush coming in, making DD expendable. DD would probably run well in the Denver scheme. With the extra 1st round pick, Denver could also probably afford to spend the mid-round pick it would cost to get DD.

Not that I think it is likely to happen, but it was quick to cross the mind.
I like DD as much or more than the next guy, but I don't see him as the kind of north-south, one cut runner that Shanny likes so well.
 
Last year was a mess and it might be the same this year just with a different cast of characters. Anyone trying to figure out what Shanny will/won't do might as well throw darts at a dartboard. It's certainly a situation that I will avoid this year regardless of the potential upside.

 
boy has Tatum Bell's stock plummeted or what... and the guy had a pretty decent year last season too.

 
Kubiak probably has Bush coming in, making DD expendable.   DD would probably run well in the Denver scheme.     With the extra 1st round pick, Denver could also probably afford to spend the mid-round pick it would cost to get DD.

Not that I think it is likely to happen, but it was quick to cross the mind.
Houston tried to install a zone-blocking scheme like Denver has.... they just didn't have an athletic enough line.I remember reading somewhere that Davis' numbers from a zone-blocking scheme weren't really the expected numbers that you normally get. If you look at his 20+ yards, he's only got 13 for his career, and that's a pretty low average (maybe due to the bad line not opening up the gateways for him?).

I don't really think his skill set is best served in a zone-blocking scheme. I think he needs a Childress-type system to really flex his muscles. He'd still put up great numbers anywhere, especially if he can run in Houston, but it wouldn't be the best use of his talents in Denver. Not only that, but why would a team that has shown that they can get 1000 yards with anyone trade for a premier RB like Davis?

I really just expect Davis and Bush to coexist. They compliment each other very well, and Bush is one of the top WRs in this draft when he lines up at flanker.

 
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This is just complete speculation, but is it possible Denver could trade Houston it's two first and next years to move into the #1 spot. Reggie Bush in Denver would = move over LT.

 
Last year was a mess and it might be the same this year just with a different cast of characters. Anyone trying to figure out what Shanny will/won't do might as well throw darts at a dartboard. It's certainly a situation that I will avoid this year regardless of the potential upside.
Not necessarily. You just have to understand the type of RB Shanahan likes. I supported Q-Tip, but he didn't fit the mold of all the previous RBs. I think the only reason Q got so much hype was because of the success Portis had who was an undersized back compared to the other guys they'd had there.

So the real question is.. does Dayne play like a traditional Shanahan back and can he be successful in that role?

It will be interesting to see if his stay in Denver has permanently cured him of the happy dancer feet he had in NY.

 
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Is Tatum Bell chopped liver?

I've never seen a more disrespected guy with a career 5.3 YPC in my life.

 
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This is just complete speculation, but is it possible Denver could trade Houston it's two first and next years to move into the #1 spot. Reggie Bush in Denver would = move over LT.
Not when they could likely have Maroney, who would also be a great fit, and still retain another #1 pick that they could use on someone like a Dominique Byrd/Leonard Pope TE or Kamerion Wimbley/Mathias Kiwanuka DE, both areas of need.
 
Last year was a mess and it might be the same this year just with a different cast of characters.  Anyone trying to figure out what Shanny will/won't do might as well throw darts at a dartboard.  It's certainly a situation that I will avoid this year regardless of the potential upside.
So the real question is.. does Dayne play like a traditional Shanahan back and can he be successful in that role?
I think Dayne does play like a traditional Shanny back which is why he was resigned. Can he be successful is the real question (moreso than MA) and I don't know the answer and won't waste a roster space on Bell/Dayne waiting/hoping/reading between the lines on which one if either will prevail. If Bell is still there he will get carries, he was too good in that role last year not to. So unless it looks as if it's Bell's job outright (which there is nothing to indicate anything like that at this point) I won't touch Dayne because I envision a similar rotation as was used last year.

 
This is fast becoming the most interesting running back situation for 2006. Bell and Dayne both expect the chance to compete to start. We cant quite count out Ricky Williams until after his appeal next month. We dont know who Denver will draft but they are all but assured of taking a RB at some point of the draft. We also have Cecil Sapp a candidate for the third spot (something that cant be overlooked in Denver).

Shanny has quoted that he hasnt ruled out Bell being a 25 carry back. They've publicly stated Dayne will have the opportunity to take the job this training camp. Yet they also both contacted and made public calls about both Ricky and Lewis. So while they have confidence in current players, they know they have room to upgrade. The only remaining RBs with starting ability in the current FA market are Morris and Bennett... neither of which have been linked to Denver. So our attention is currently left to the draft, Ricky's appeal, Bell, and Ron Dayne.

 
Not only that, but why would a team that has shown that they can get 1000 yards with anyone trade for a premier RB like Davis?
My thought was if they had the choice of spending a third or fourth rounder on a guy out of the draft and possibly having him be another Clarett... or could acquire a proven, young RB who someone else has already paid the signing bonus to so you don't have to, that it would be worth considering.That said, I still am not thinking this trade will ever happen, but speculating wildly is about what the sports off-season is about, after all. :)
 
Is Tatum Bell chopped liver?

I've never seen a more disrespected guy with a career 5.3 YPC in my life.
The fact that he could perform at that level & Shanahan still restricted his workload significantly makes a very meaningful statement about exactly how Shanahan feels about Bell.
 
This is fast becoming the most interesting running back situation for 2006. Bell and Dayne both expect the chance to compete to start. We cant quite count out Ricky Williams until after his appeal next month. We dont know who Denver will draft but they are all but assured of taking a RB at some point of the draft. We also have Cecil Sapp a candidate for the third spot (something that cant be overlooked in Denver).

Shanny has quoted that he hasnt ruled out Bell being a 25 carry back. They've publicly stated Dayne will have the opportunity to take the job this training camp. Yet they also both contacted and made public calls about both Ricky and Lewis. So while they have confidence in current players, they know they have room to upgrade. The only remaining RBs with starting ability in the current FA market are Morris and Bennett... neither of which have been linked to Denver. So our attention is currently left to the draft, Ricky's appeal, Bell, and Ron Dayne.
Quick handicap:% chance to lock-in the #1 RB for the Broncos

Dayne: 40%

Bell: 40%

Rookie: 10%

UFA/Trade: 10%

Conclusion:

Messed up situation for Fantasy owners. Own as many of the options and cross your fingers.

 
I guess I know more than Shanahan about RBs also, if that is the standard.
True, you did call that one nicely. But my question is why is Ron Dayne going to succeed when he's a slower, less ellusive version of Q? IE- falls down on first contact- or more accurately when he thinks he's about to be contacted.
 
Is Tatum Bell chopped liver?

I've never seen a more disrespected guy with a career 5.3 YPC in my life.
The fact that he could perform at that level & Shanahan still restricted his workload significantly makes a very meaningful statement about exactly how Shanahan feels about Bell.
Maybe it reflects on the other backs on the team more than what he thinks of Bell. I don't think Bell is a 350 carry back, but 200 carries is reasonable and only 40% of the Broncos' carries. Shanahan doesn't seem to mind RBBC and just needs another RB to get 150-200 carries.
 
I guess I know more than Shanahan about RBs also, if that is the standard.
True, you did call that one nicely. But my question is why is Ron Dayne going to succeed when he's a slower, less ellusive version of Q? IE- falls down on first contact- or more accurately when he thinks he's about to be contacted.
actually Dayne ran rather well last year when given the chance. My problem with the whole situation is if Dayne is "the man" like MA was last year it's an RBBC with Dayne getting the goal line action. Thus, Dayne will be worthy of a decent pick but Bell will also get carries and lead to the same headaches as last year. Dayne = MA.
 
According to the Denver Post, the Broncos may consider dealing for Ricky Williams, depending on the asking price. The Texans have also been mentioned as a potential suitor.

 
I guess I know more than Shanahan about RBs also, if that is the standard.
True, you did call that one nicely. But my question is why is Ron Dayne going to succeed when he's a slower, less ellusive version of Q? IE- falls down on first contact- or more accurately when he thinks he's about to be contacted.
Are we doing this yet again? You make your assertions, and then I retort with evidence from last year that directly refutes your assertions. What you saw in NY might be very true, but that was not the way Dayne ran in practice, in preseason, or in games last year.Then we do it again two weeks later. My response is that NY misused Dayne and that DEN is much more condusive to his running style, and your retort is that Dayne sucks 24/7.

All I can say is that we'll have to wait & see.

Until two weeks from now...

 
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Are we doing this yet again? You make your assertions, and then I retort with evidence from last year that directly refutes your assertions.
Which i refute by noting last year Dayne was used in extremely limited service. And as we all know the backup running back always comes in and romps during spot duty. Dayne has never proven capable of carrying anything like a full NFL load effectively, last year notwithstanding. And as you may recall, Quentin Griffin romped though a few games as well.
 
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Dayne has never proven capable of carrying anything like a full NFL load effectively, last year notwithstanding.
Very good point. Dayne might end up being the guy in Denver, but people here are acting like he is almost a sure thing to carry the Denver load, which is borderline crazy based on what he has done throughout his whole career.
 

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