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LJ vs SJax (1 Viewer)

Ariakis

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Here is my case for why I feel that now is the time to move SJax and that targetting Larry Johnson makes a lot of sense.

In a 12 team full PPR redraft money league with 1 UTIL slot I was thrilled to land the 2nd pick and quickly snapped up SJax. I then followed that up with 2 WR's (Chad and Fitz) before adding RB/QB fodder I now regret. We did draft on NFL Draft Day (very early) and had a rookie draft (reverse order) a few months later. The teams with late picks are mostly the better teams so far. That said, I sit at 3-2 and just made a move with the 5-0 team in my 4 team division who was fortunate enough to pick late in Round 1.

I gave SJax and Earnest Graham for LJ. It also freed up a roster spot I used to pick up another backup RB for possible future value (Adrian Peterson CHI was cut last weekend). It should be noted that he ripped off (I felt atleast) a winless owner taking Larry Johnson and giving back Lamont Jordan (who went off then promptly got hurt that weekend).

The way I see it, LJ is not injured and has some great matchups and 2nd half schedule. I wonder if I overpaid but I felt an initial come strong offer would be the only way to pull this off. SJax will miss atleast this week and the risk grows that he may never be the stud he was drafted to be all season given their winless record. Will they go ahead and IR him? Will Leonard stay in the mix making him less of a PPR stud on a weak offense? Will Bulger return to form? Will their makeshift OL gel?

Mainly it was the risk that he may not come back all year and I felt I could not afford to wait any longer. I knew I couldn't get an Addai or Parker for him but this move just felt right. Giving Graham stung a bit but in a PPR I can't imagine he has more than UTIL player value and probably the key to why the guy accepted my offer without hesitation.

Even better, I play the divisional team now owning SJax during his bye in week 9 assuming he's even playing by then and LJ has a good matchup. In theory I've hurt his team unless SJax comes back strong soon and helped my own assuming LJ improves as the season goes along.

LJ's offense looked horrible last week however there are signs that it should improve especially as Bowe continues to mature and become more of a threat. Their upcoming schedule suggests shootouts are possible after facing a string of tough defenses who all got out to early leads against KC. I think that will change.

Before last week's games I made two more moves that now look extremely lopsided and I feel I've rebuilt my team from mediocre to the class of the league with 3 trades within the last 5 days.

Owning McNabb, Schaub, and Campbell I gave up Campbell to a team thin at QB and FatDale because they were short at RB and Galloway. I got back Randy Moss and 2 free roster spots. Some may say I overpaid but I'd rather own the stud and I still feel I have a deep team.

The 2nd trade happened that same day and really looks worse for the guy I traded with. I gave Jamal Lewis, Pittman, and Stecker for Edge and 2 roster spots. Both Lewis and Pittman got hurt and any hype Stecker gained was lost coming out of the Saints bye. He needed the RB depth and instead gave up a RB who has an amazing go forward schedule and now has less than before at 4-1.

So using those roster spots I snagged a few more fliers and now field a team of McNabb/Schaub, Edge/Larry Johnson with Ahman Green hopefully back for depth and bye weeks plus Kenton Keith, Adrian Peterson (Chi), and Andre Hall (deep flier) at RB. I'll probably only start 2 most weeks since I will now field in a PPR Chad Johnson, Fitz, and Randy Moss at WR. For depth I'll have Hilliard, Chris Henry, Booker, and Wade. I round out with Tony G, Vinatieri, Chargers DT, and a few open roster spots to fill up a little more depth. Even if LJ doesn't come through I should have a strong team but if he does turn it around I should be in good shape.

 
I moved SJ this week. SJ, Stallworth, and a 6th round pick for Marshawn and Fitzgerald. I also acquired Leonard in a different trade. I am banking that SJ is more or less done for this year, if not because a torn groin is reaggravated easily then because the team has no prospects for post season play anyway and may put him on the shelf.

 
In a 12 team full PPR redraft money league with 1 UTIL slot I was thrilled to land the 2nd pick and quickly snapped up SJax...

I sit at 3-2 and just made a move with the 5-0 team in my 4 team division who was fortunate enough to pick late in Round 1.

I gave SJax and Earnest Graham for LJ. ...It should be noted that he ripped off (I felt atleast) a winless owner taking Larry Johnson and giving back Lamont Jordan (who went off then promptly got hurt that weekend).
I think you may be teaching the 5-0 division leader a little lesson in ripping someone off, my friend.
Before last week's games I made two more moves that now look extremely lopsided and I feel I've rebuilt my team from mediocre to the class of the league with 3 trades within the last 5 days.

Owning McNabb, Schaub, and Campbell I gave up Campbell to a team thin at QB and FatDale because they were short at RB and Galloway. I got back Randy Moss and 2 free roster spots. Some may say I overpaid but I'd rather own the stud and I still feel I have a deep team.

The 2nd trade happened that same day and really looks worse for the guy I traded with. I gave Jamal Lewis, Pittman, and Stecker for Edge and 2 roster spots. Both Lewis and Pittman got hurt and any hype Stecker gained was lost coming out of the Saints bye. He needed the RB depth and instead gave up a RB who has an amazing go forward schedule and now has less than before at 4-1.
You got arguably a top 5 RB with a soft schedule down the stretch for a RB who may not even see the field again in 2007 and the #1 WR for Joey Galloway + Jason Campbell + Lendale White. I don't usual criticize trades, but let me just say I would be really pissed off if those trades were made in any of my leagues. Not saying they should be denied or vetoed - just saying your trading partners are :unsure:
 
Heh thanks. It's not a FBG league but these are owners who do seem to know what they are doing in general. I think I just timed it right and made some good guesses. Getting back to the point of the thread I think my advice to SJax owners is to use the Rotoworld news that he was starting to work out this week to sell. Please don't take this to mean go out and sell SJax for Earnest Graham or Selvin Young or anything but if you target another upside guy with similar "value" to SJax like Larry Johnson my gut calls that a shark move.

 
Using my own thread to mention another sell high / buy low opportunity in a 12 team keep one auction style league (last year's salary plus $10) I just dealt Crayton (WW fodder) and Shockey for Marvin Harrison. I am 4-1 with Bush, Ronnie Brown, Sammy Morris, and Rhodes (lost Caddy) at RB (no UTIL) and Steve Smith, Kevin Curtis, Berrian, Andre Davis, and now Harrison at WR. I still have Cooley at TE and Nick Folk Hero at PK (fantasy PK MVP) and Roeths and Campbell at QB. Not the greatest team but not horrible in this yardage heavy format.

During our auction my strategy was Gates but something strange happened. In bidding up Shockey I got stuck with him below his expected sale price. Then in bidding up Cooley I also got stuck with him below his expected price. This cost me either Gates or a stud WR2 (would have been Andre Johnson).

So anyways ... I found a few teams weak at TE and strong at WR and decided now was the time to make my move. Harrison is in a buy-low situation and Shockey has had a few good games in a row while I have Cooley anyway. Crayton is coming off of two good games. I can ride my WR depth and hopefully finish strong with Smith and Harrison.

 
What about in a dynasty league? :ptts:
In a dynasty league I'd need to know more ... scoring system, your situation, your trade partner's situation, and your goals.In general, Larry Johnson is going to be 29 and Steve Jackson only 25 next season if memory serves with far less tread on his tires (and possibly a whole season off). The Rams will have time to fix their OL (and get Pace back) around a still in their prime Holt and Bulger making SJax worth (IMO) far more than Larry Johnson who will have an aging Tony G,an unproven Croyle, and likely an inferior OL around him and IMO Bowe is no Holt.It's not a slam dunk though so if you REALLY want to win this year I'd still consider the swap but this advice is more for a redraft. In a dynasty I'd probably hold SJax and find another buy-low situation and/or a veteran on a losing team you may get for a good price. I am targeting Edge everywhere I have a need for a guy who could very well be a top 5 RB this year then fall off the cliff soon if the price is right. I am targeting Maroney where I am not willing to give up my future as I think the Pats are simply saving him for when the weather turns and/or for more important matchups.
 
What about in a dynasty league? :ptts:
In a dynasty league I'd need to know more ... scoring system, your situation, your trade partner's situation, and your goals.In general, Larry Johnson is going to be 29 and Steve Jackson only 25 next season if memory serves with far less tread on his tires (and possibly a whole season off). The Rams will have time to fix their OL (and get Pace back) around a still in their prime Holt and Bulger making SJax worth (IMO) far more than Larry Johnson who will have an aging Tony G,an unproven Croyle, and likely an inferior OL around him and IMO Bowe is no Holt.It's not a slam dunk though so if you REALLY want to win this year I'd still consider the swap but this advice is more for a redraft. In a dynasty I'd probably hold SJax and find another buy-low situation and/or a veteran on a losing team you may get for a good price. I am targeting Edge everywhere I have a need for a guy who could very well be a top 5 RB this year then fall off the cliff soon if the price is right. I am targeting Maroney where I am not willing to give up my future as I think the Pats are simply saving him for when the weather turns and/or for more important matchups.
Good stuff. Thanks. I'll let you know what I decide to do.
 
News today that SJax is likely to sit until after the team's week 9 bye. The question is with them being out of it by then will he return and if he does will he be given a full load. I'm thinking the window to sell as high as I did on SJax is closing fast. Move him soon.

 
News today that SJax is likely to sit until after the team's week 9 bye. The question is with them being out of it by then will he return and if he does will he be given a full load. I'm thinking the window to sell as high as I did on SJax is closing fast. Move him soon.
:wub: Where'd you hear that?
 
Steven Jackson-RB- Rams Oct. 11 - 4:47 pm et The St. Louis Post Dispatch reports Steven Jackson (groin tear) may be out until Week 10.At 0-5, the Rams may avoid risking Jackson by using him before their Week 9 bye. Although Jackson did some running on the side Wednesday, beat reporter Bill Coats writes that the running back's return is "far from imminent." Brian Leonard has an unfavorable matchup against Baltimore this Sunday, but things get easier at Seattle and versus Cleveland prior to the off week.Source: St Louis Post-Dispatch Related: Brian Leonard
Rotoworld is your friend. Obviously it's still all conjecture ... he may play but it makes a lot of sense to hold him out.
 

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