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Lone Survivor-new movie with Marky Mark (no funky bunch) (1 Viewer)
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The General
Footballguy
Spoilers for book ahead ------
It has been awhile since I read it but I'm fairly certain there was no battle, there was no fighting off, hand to hand combat with the main guy killing his attacker. The villagers took him in and hid him in caves and homes until the word got to the US that he was being protected there. The US then pretty much rolled in and scooped him up.
Apes with Guns
Footballguy
from slate:
The Final Battle Never Happened
Lone Survivor (film) ends with the village of Kandish fending off a Taliban attack in a gigantic firefight, which ends when American planes and helicopters come to the rescue. The screenplay has Gulab shot and Luttrell shot again, and Gulab’s house is destroyed by an RPG.
None of this happened. Gulab’s house wasn’t destroyed, nor did the Taliban fire shots into the village. Neither Gulab nor Luttrell were shot, and Luttrell didn’t stab an attacker with a knife.
The most important reason why the Taliban didn’t attack? They couldn’t afford to lose the support of the villagers. Luttrell makes this very clear in the memoir:
They wanted me, but they would never kill another hundred Afghan people, including women and children, in order to get me. … I’d been [in Sabray] for five nights now, ... and the Taliban had crossed the boundaries of Sabray only twice.
Later, Ahmad Shah and his men actually find Luttrell and Gulab on a flat field on the edge of the village. Do they attack? No. Why?
The presence of Gulab made it
http://books.google.com/books?id=i2...Gulab+made+it+a+complete+standoff,"#v=snippeta complete standoff
http://books.google.com/books?id=i2...Gulab+made+it+a+complete+standoff,"#v=snippet, and [shah] was not about to call in his guys to shoot the oldest son of Sabray’s village elder.
The Final Battle Never Happened
Lone Survivor (film) ends with the village of Kandish fending off a Taliban attack in a gigantic firefight, which ends when American planes and helicopters come to the rescue. The screenplay has Gulab shot and Luttrell shot again, and Gulab’s house is destroyed by an RPG.
None of this happened. Gulab’s house wasn’t destroyed, nor did the Taliban fire shots into the village. Neither Gulab nor Luttrell were shot, and Luttrell didn’t stab an attacker with a knife.
The most important reason why the Taliban didn’t attack? They couldn’t afford to lose the support of the villagers. Luttrell makes this very clear in the memoir:
They wanted me, but they would never kill another hundred Afghan people, including women and children, in order to get me. … I’d been [in Sabray] for five nights now, ... and the Taliban had crossed the boundaries of Sabray only twice.
Later, Ahmad Shah and his men actually find Luttrell and Gulab on a flat field on the edge of the village. Do they attack? No. Why?
The presence of Gulab made it
http://books.google.com/books?id=i2...Gulab+made+it+a+complete+standoff,"#v=snippeta complete standoff
http://books.google.com/books?id=i2...Gulab+made+it+a+complete+standoff,"#v=snippet, and [shah] was not about to call in his guys to shoot the oldest son of Sabray’s village elder.
The General
Footballguy
This is what I thought. Didn't see the point in "Hollywoodizing" the end, seemed like a dumb thing to change.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
This is what I thought. Didn't see the point in "Hollywoodizing" the end, seemed like a dumb thing to change.If they did the "true" ending it would have been another 20-30 minutes and some people would exhaust their attention span. Marky Mark was smelling the bottle of water in the movie, I'm assuming because Marcus got extrely ill from drinking out of a dirty glass jar.
The General
Footballguy
This is what I thought. Didn't see the point in "Hollywoodizing" the end, seemed like a dumb thing to change.
If they did the "true" ending it would have been another 20-30 minutes and some people would exhaust their attention span. Marky Mark was smelling the bottle of water in the movie, I'm assuming because Marcus got extrely ill from drinking out of a dirty glass jar.
If they did the "true" ending it would have been another 20-30 minutes and some people would exhaust their attention span. Marky Mark was smelling the bottle of water in the movie, I'm assuming because Marcus got extrely ill from drinking out of a dirty glass jar.
pantherclub
Footballguy
The General said:
If they did the "true" ending it would have been another 20-30 minutes and some people would exhaust their attention span. Marky Mark was smelling the bottle of water in the movie, I'm assuming because Marcus got extrely ill from drinking out of a dirty glass jar.
Apes with Guns
Footballguy
avoiding injuries said:
This is what I thought. Didn't see the point in "Hollywoodizing" the end, seemed like a dumb thing to change.
If they did the "true" ending it would have been another 20-30 minutes and some people would exhaust their attention span. Marky Mark was smelling the bottle of water in the movie, I'm assuming because Marcus got extrely ill from drinking out of a dirty glass jar.
If they did the "true" ending it would have been another 20-30 minutes and some people would exhaust their attention span. Marky Mark was smelling the bottle of water in the movie, I'm assuming because Marcus got extrely ill from drinking out of a dirty glass jar.
Or did he get the parasites from "indigenous female mattress entrepreneurs?"
jamil
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am nervous about seeing the movie, I read the book and love it and I don't want the movie to get all Hollywood'ed up and ruin the story for me. Moneyball, Remember the Titans, and several other true stories have been ruined by Hollywood and ruined the story in my eyes.
Officer Pete Malloy
Footballguy
I wouldn't say they ruined it but they did muck it up a bit. And, as usual, there was no reason to do so.
The General
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Finally saw it. Haven't read the book.
Does the book offer any better explanation for why they didn't keep the kids and the old guy with them until they get some communication and could set up an extraction?
Of the 3 options they had (assuming that was the accurate scenario), that seemed clearly to make the most sense.
I could've understood killing them, if they were going to continue the mission, but they weren't going to do that
But letting them go at that time didn't make any sense at all. I'm assuming there's something missing.
Does the book offer any better explanation for why they didn't keep the kids and the old guy with them until they get some communication and could set up an extraction?
Of the 3 options they had (assuming that was the accurate scenario), that seemed clearly to make the most sense.
I could've understood killing them, if they were going to continue the mission, but they weren't going to do that
But letting them go at that time didn't make any sense at all. I'm assuming there's something missing.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Finally saw this. Liked it. The scenes rolling down the hills were pretty crazy.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Seen it a couple months ago and just seen the post again. Movie was horrible, book was unbelievable.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Not really. I don't get why they didn't do this. They didn't really discuss this option in the book, if memory serves.
Seems like clearly the best option.
The options I remember from the book were killing them, letting them go, or just tying them up, which they decided would effectively be killing them anyways.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I am probably in the minority, but I hate the way the movies are Hollywooded up. I am assuming the book tells the actual story and the movie is to give you an idea of the story in a 2 hour time frame and make the most money. I can't remember a movie that was based on a true story that was better than the book.
PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Wait, so you didn't read the book but you thought the movie was horrible because you assumed it was different from the book? I'm not sure why you'd see it if so.
As far as Hollywood-ed stories go, this one was one of the lesser offensive ones I can remember. They definitely smudged some things, but I thought the main points were there.
Really, what Markus went through was Hollywood enough that it didn't require a lot of fictionalizing.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
It has been a couple years since I read the book, but they didn't want to kill them for fear of being prosecuted back in the states, they didn't want to tie them up/take them with them because they knew after some time there would have been a search party coming out for them. I think I remember them saying it would be easier to cover their own tracks if they didn't have to drag them along. They also thought they could move faster with just those 4 seals and escape if the enemy caught up.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Of course I read the book, the last 30 minutes or so of the movie were completely made up.i am assuming everything I read in the book was true.
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PatsWillWin
Footballguy
Oh, I misunderstood.
They definitely sped up/changed the ending. I thought the meat of the movie, the decision, the shootout, the deaths, was pretty accurate.
Nathan R. Jessep
Footballguy
The final part of the book (post-rescue, when he is recovering and then returning home) was the most gut-wrenching to me. Was damn near in tears a couple of time reading it. I thought the movie would have been much better if they had included at least some of that portion of the story and cut back on the Hollywood action scene ending.
Doctor Detroit
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I thought this movie was good, Hollywood sure but the facts were mostly accurate. I liked the accuracy of the setting, that part of Afghanistan is not like the other parts. There are a lot of trees and rocks, instead of just rocks like the rest of the country.
I was in Operation Red Wings out of Kandahar and was there when this happened. I had no idea about the SEALS on the ground but the whole coalition shut down and concentrated on that area after the helicopter went down. I left that same week and that's the last time I was in Afghanistan.
People don't understand why the villagers saved him but they do have a code, and it's really amazing how much one village hates another. In this case they hated the Taliban and the Arabs fighting in their province, these people are fiercely independent and care little about anything national or even regional. I think Americans can appreciate that mentality. In general Afghanis are flip-floppers, they change allegiances with the wind. But these villages aren't like that, these people live as though their world exists in a ten square mile radius. I like them mostly, and I sympathize with having been at war for decades.
I agree the best part of the story happened AFTER he was rescued, but there were no gun fights in that part of the story so Hollywood did with what they had so they could sell movies. I'm fine with the result and love that Luttrell is a wealthy man now.
I was in Operation Red Wings out of Kandahar and was there when this happened. I had no idea about the SEALS on the ground but the whole coalition shut down and concentrated on that area after the helicopter went down. I left that same week and that's the last time I was in Afghanistan.
People don't understand why the villagers saved him but they do have a code, and it's really amazing how much one village hates another. In this case they hated the Taliban and the Arabs fighting in their province, these people are fiercely independent and care little about anything national or even regional. I think Americans can appreciate that mentality. In general Afghanis are flip-floppers, they change allegiances with the wind. But these villages aren't like that, these people live as though their world exists in a ten square mile radius. I like them mostly, and I sympathize with having been at war for decades.
I agree the best part of the story happened AFTER he was rescued, but there were no gun fights in that part of the story so Hollywood did with what they had so they could sell movies. I'm fine with the result and love that Luttrell is a wealthy man now.
