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Lookin' for this years "Mike Bell" (1 Viewer)
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You're not going to know until training camp. The odds are so stacked against any wannabe Mike Bell (or Marques Colston) that there's just no way to tell until then.
This time last year, Horn and Stallworth were the starters at WR and Henderosn was #3. It wasn't till training camp that a spot opened up for Colston.
This time last year, Horn and Stallworth were the starters at WR and Henderosn was #3. It wasn't till training camp that a spot opened up for Colston.
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Couch Potato
Footballguy
For what it's worth, Darius Walker of Notre Dame was signed by the Texans today. Green is 30+, and the rest of the bunch are not much better than free agents (Dayne, Lundy, Gado, Taylor). Walker was listed pre-draft by one rating service that I saw as a 4th round prospect.
It's hard to get too excited by any UDFA obviously, but maybe Walker is worth a look.
Now that I've said that, he'll probably be grabbed in the startup league I'm currently drafting in within a day.
It's hard to get too excited by any UDFA obviously, but maybe Walker is worth a look.
Now that I've said that, he'll probably be grabbed in the startup league I'm currently drafting in within a day.
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Geez where do I start? Some of my favorites, some based on the player, some based on the team.
Brandon Myles, WR, NYG
Maurice Price, WR, KC
Mike Mason, WR, CLE
Paul Mosley, RB, PIT
Danny Ware, RB, TEN
Marcus O'Keith, RB, KC
Brandon Myles, WR, NYG
Maurice Price, WR, KC
Mike Mason, WR, CLE
Paul Mosley, RB, PIT
Danny Ware, RB, TEN
Marcus O'Keith, RB, KC
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Justin Vincent, RB ATL
Bossman
Footballguy
WOW! now thats something I can sink my teeth into!Thanks S-Bloom.(and I'll keep an eye on Darius Walker. thx)
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
I didn't see that O'Keith signed with KC. Very interesting. Add him and Kolby Smith together and you probably can end the Derrick Ross experiment.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I have much respect for Bloom, but just remember to temper your enthusiasm a bit from his levels. We're talking about a guy who just took 8 rookies in the first 20 rounds of an initial dynasty startup draft. He has great knowledge of young prospects, but realistically very few UDFAs ever amount to any fantasy value even if they make rosters. There are some, but very few.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I've read that, and it is sobering. I've read other articles along similar lines in the past too. I seldom take much of a look at players drafted after the 3rd round these days in startup drafts unless their circumstances are extraordinary. If they begin to rise above their draft status in camp, then I take notice, but not in May. Far too many from the 4th round on are completely worthless for fantasy to invest a pick when there are productive vets on the fantasy draft board to choose from.
He said "might make an impact". Maybe I should be clear that "might" equals 1 or 2%. That being said, each of these guys have a reason to keep tabs on them:Myles: One of the most impressive WRs all week at the Senior Bowl, NFL athlete, underutilized in a run first offense.Price: Extremely athletic and productive at FCS level - also room in the WR corps in KC - competing with Chris HannonMason : Very athletic underachiever - also room in the WR corps.- competing with Tim CarterMosley: Great size-speed back (think Jacobs), underutilized in Baylor's spread offense - steelers could use a pounder.Ware: Great year as a true frosh in Georgia- Henry and White are in front of him.O'Keith: terrific athlete stuck behind Lynch and Forsett, KC could have RB opening as soon as 08.Chris Leak, Dave Ball and Selvin Young have both been discussed on this board and are the most prominent UDFAs.
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
See, you are smart. I do all that research, write the article, and then still have guys like Earnest Graham, Andre Hall and Jerome Harrison on dynasty rosters waiting for them to break out. I'm what you call stupid.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Here's one approach to finding rookie sleepers for dynasty leagues that I use: Look for highly regarded high school players going to big name college programs that have some success early but fade as upperclassmen. There are generally four reasons for them to fade: Injury, off the field issues, team situation, desire. This year my 4 examples are Justin Vincent (injury), Ryan Moore (off the field issues), Courtney Taylor (team situation) and Ken Darby (desire). So what do you feel more comfortable in predicting? Justin Vincent will further recover from the blown knee, Ryan Moore will get his head screwed on straight, Courtney Taylor will have a decent QB or Kenneth Darby will start running like he cares again?
We talked to Brian Baldinger on the audible last night (coming soon!) - he was just up at Seahawks minicamp and singled out Taylor as a player to watch when I asked him about favorite second day guys.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
I'll roster those kinds of guys for cheap later on too if it looks like there may be opportunity (like with Andre Hall before Henry arrived in Denver). It's just that I won't generally draft them in May. But I'm mostly used to 20 man rosters. In a 26-man, like the two leagues you and I are in together, it's pretty hard not to roster some complete fliers like the guys you mention because the available talent for the bottom of rosters is so thin.See, you are smart. I do all that research, write the article, and then still have guys like Earnest Graham, Andre Hall and Jerome Harrison on dynasty rosters waiting for them to break out. I'm what you call stupid.
BTW, Bloom -- I wasn't intending to disrespect the UDFA offerings, or your choice to draft 8 rookies in 12 rounds. To be clear to other readers, he was drafting better quality rookies, not UDFAs. I just wanted Zadok to keep perspective on the chances of these UDFAs, and your 1-2% is probably pretty close.
Finally, one more name -- the bowling ball that is Tyrone Moss. He was tearing it up for U. of Miami as a junior in 2005 through 8 games when he tore his ACL. His stats for those 8 games were an eye-popping 12 TDs along with 701 yards on 137 carries (5.1 average). After that, 2006 was pretty much a lost year due to the injury. He was in CLE camp but was cut this week. Look for him if he lands in a good spot. I was actually surprised CLE let him go, given their mess at RB, so maybe he's no good any more. But I'm at least keeping an eye on him due to that 2005 season. His story has parallels to Frank Gore.
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ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Or maybe Harrison just looks that good!!I'll roster those kinds of guys for cheap later on too if it looks like there may be opportunity (like with Andre Hall before Henry arrived in Denver). It's just that I won't generally draft them in May. But I'm mostly used to 20 man rosters. In a 26-man, like the two leagues you and I are in together, it's pretty hard not to roster some complete fliers like the guys you mention because the available talent for the bottom of rosters is so thin.See, you are smart. I do all that research, write the article, and then still have guys like Earnest Graham, Andre Hall and Jerome Harrison on dynasty rosters waiting for them to break out. I'm what you call stupid.
BTW, Bloom -- I wasn't intending to disrespect the UDFA offerings, or your choice to draft 8 rookies in 12 rounds. To be clear to other readers, he was drafting better quality rookies, not UDFAs. I just wanted Zadok to keep perspective on the chances of these UDFAs, and your 1-2% is probably pretty close.
Finally, one more name -- the bowling ball that is Tyrone Moss. He was tearing it up for U. of Miami as a junior in 2005 through 8 games when he tore his ACL. His stats for those 8 games were an eye-popping 701 yards on 137 carries (5.1 average) and he led the ACC in touchdowns with 12. After that, 2006 was pretty much a lost year due to the injury. He was in CLE camp but was cut this week. Look for him if he lands in a good spot. I was actually surprised CLE let him go, given their mess at RB, so maybe he's no good any more. But I'm at least keeping an eye on him due to that 2005 season. His story has parallels to Frank Gore.
Im afraid his burst is gone. It's a shame because he's a natural RB.If you're looking for a Frank Gore, the best candidate this year is Dwayne Wright.
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
cheaper than just about any rookie, undrafted or otherwise, I just got smokin' ricky. see my post in the ricky williams thread.
Couch Potato
Footballguy
Thanks. Yeah, you have the advantage of seeing these guys. I just have a memory of 2 years ago when I was pretty impressed by the guy. What a shame, these injuries. Maybe one day, say around the year 2100, it'll be routine for all athletes to have some revolutionary preventative ACL strengthening procedure or device that doesn't inhibit movement. Wouldn't that be nice.
Cookiemonster
Footballguy
I DO have an UFA on my radar, and will disclose after my draft is over.
lions327
Footballguy
I just picked up RB Gary Russell in a deep 16 team league. I saw him play in college and was very impressed. He was a great player for the one year he played a lot in Minnesota. 1200 yards, 6 yards per carry and 18 TD's at a major college program is nothing to sneeze at. He has a lot of upside, and who knows, maybe he can get his head on straight one day. From what I read, he doesn't seem like a very motivated person, but felt it was worth the shot since it is just an end of roster spot. After all, this is a deep sleeper post. Hopefully, this guy will wake up from the deep sleep he appears to be in.
Along with him, I picked up 3 other UDFA's: QB Matt Gutierrez, WR Dave Ball and the above mentioned RB Tyrone Moss. I also drafted RB Selvin Young, because there is no such thing as a bad Denver RB prospect.
EDIT to add: I didn't even realize Russell had signed with the Steelers. I can't think of too many better places for him to be.
Along with him, I picked up 3 other UDFA's: QB Matt Gutierrez, WR Dave Ball and the above mentioned RB Tyrone Moss. I also drafted RB Selvin Young, because there is no such thing as a bad Denver RB prospect.
EDIT to add: I didn't even realize Russell had signed with the Steelers. I can't think of too many better places for him to be.
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Cookiemonster
Footballguy
Shaddup!!! My draft isn't over!I just picked up RB Gary Russell in a deep 16 team league. I saw him play in college and was very impressed. He was a great player for the one year he played a lot in Minnesota. 1200 yards, 6 yards per carry and 18 TD's at a major college program is nothing to sneeze at. He has a lot of upside, and who knows, maybe he can get his head on straight one day. From what I read, he doesn't seem like a very motivated person, but felt it was worth the shot since it is just an end of roster spot. After all, this is a deep sleeper post. Hopefully, this guy will wake up from the deep sleep he appears to be in.Along with him, I picked up 3 other UDFA's: QB Matt Gutierrez, WR Dave Ball and the above mentioned RB Tyrone Moss. I also drafted RB Selvin Young, because there is no such thing as a bad Denver RB prospect.EDIT to add: I didn't even realize Russell had signed with the Steelers. I can't think of too many better places for him to be.
I hope he's been working his butt off since the combine. He won't last long if he's hasn't - his showing was terrible.Gutierrez is interesting because he was a top prospect coming out of HS before tearing his labrum and giving way to Chad Henne. My impression after watching him in Shrine practices is that his shoulder may not be right - he showed a funky throwing motion especially on the run.I just picked up RB Gary Russell in a deep 16 team league. I saw him play in college and was very impressed. He was a great player for the one year he played a lot in Minnesota. 1200 yards, 6 yards per carry and 18 TD's at a major college program is nothing to sneeze at. He has a lot of upside, and who knows, maybe he can get his head on straight one day. From what I read, he doesn't seem like a very motivated person, but felt it was worth the shot since it is just an end of roster spot. After all, this is a deep sleeper post. Hopefully, this guy will wake up from the deep sleep he appears to be in.Along with him, I picked up 3 other UDFA's: QB Matt Gutierrez, WR Dave Ball and the above mentioned RB Tyrone Moss. I also drafted RB Selvin Young, because there is no such thing as a bad Denver RB prospect.
I'm tellin ya, Mosley has a better shot. Russell is not the guy you saw at Minnesota anymore.Shaddup!!! My draft isn't over!I just picked up RB Gary Russell in a deep 16 team league. I saw him play in college and was very impressed. He was a great player for the one year he played a lot in Minnesota. 1200 yards, 6 yards per carry and 18 TD's at a major college program is nothing to sneeze at. He has a lot of upside, and who knows, maybe he can get his head on straight one day. From what I read, he doesn't seem like a very motivated person, but felt it was worth the shot since it is just an end of roster spot. After all, this is a deep sleeper post. Hopefully, this guy will wake up from the deep sleep he appears to be in.Along with him, I picked up 3 other UDFA's: QB Matt Gutierrez, WR Dave Ball and the above mentioned RB Tyrone Moss. I also drafted RB Selvin Young, because there is no such thing as a bad Denver RB prospect.
not much. Apparently the Browns think more of him than they do of Tyrone Moss. Jackson was impressive on his very limited carries at Michigan this year, but they just about all came in a 3 game stretch against weak competition.He did not light it up at his pro day - running in the 4.6s
Kirby
Footballguy
I'm a big Mich fan. I love Jackson... I always wondered why he didn't play a lot and I found out that he got in Lloyd's dog house his freshman year. He never #####ed about it and looked great when he did get to play. I think he could suprise.
LionsFan78
Footballguy
I liked Jackson at UM. He was from my hometown of Saginaw Mi, so of course I payed more attention to him than most. I always thought he looked decent when given the chance. Of course, it's all about opportunities, and there's not much you can do stuck behind Chris Perry, Mike Hart, and soph Kevin Grady your whole career.
Vincent, like Moss, has just lost his burst. He's still a decent receiver out of the backfield, but not much more...Snelling, on the other hand, really intrigues me in a Nick Goings kind of way. He was a lead blocking fullback who was decent as a power back and good receiver once given the chance to carry the ball for Virginia last year. What really interests me about him is that Atlanta signed Ovie Mughelli in the offseason, a lead blocking beast. I feel comfortable assuming that the Falcons did not draft Snelling simply to be Mughelli's backup. We all know that neither Dunn nor Norwood can push a pile in short yardage, and Justin Griffith is now with the Raiders. I think Snelling can move into Griffith's role (or whatever the similar role is in Petrino's offense) and be a real sleeper if Dunn is marginalized and they turn to Norwood.
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ThePittbully
Footballguy
Did Selvin Young goto the combine? I didnt hear anything about him at all going into the draft
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Hey CP, big "U" fan here. I can tell you that Gore and Moss are not even close in stories. Yes they both blew out an ACL(Gore twice), but that's the end of the similarities. Gore was amazing as a Freshman and was pushing guys like McGahee and Portis to turn pro early because thei chance of being a feature back was going to be slim. No one ever put on a Miami uniform IMO with more hype than Frank Gore. This was in the middle of Miami winning and competing for National CHampionships in 2001 and 2002...so I just want to say that its nice to spotlight a guy, but these two backs are in different solar systems in terms of talent and skills.I'll roster those kinds of guys for cheap later on too if it looks like there may be opportunity (like with Andre Hall before Henry arrived in Denver). It's just that I won't generally draft them in May. But I'm mostly used to 20 man rosters. In a 26-man, like the two leagues you and I are in together, it's pretty hard not to roster some complete fliers like the guys you mention because the available talent for the bottom of rosters is so thin.See, you are smart. I do all that research, write the article, and then still have guys like Earnest Graham, Andre Hall and Jerome Harrison on dynasty rosters waiting for them to break out. I'm what you call stupid.
BTW, Bloom -- I wasn't intending to disrespect the UDFA offerings, or your choice to draft 8 rookies in 12 rounds. To be clear to other readers, he was drafting better quality rookies, not UDFAs. I just wanted Zadok to keep perspective on the chances of these UDFAs, and your 1-2% is probably pretty close.
Finally, one more name -- the bowling ball that is Tyrone Moss. He was tearing it up for U. of Miami as a junior in 2005 through 8 games when he tore his ACL. His stats for those 8 games were an eye-popping 12 TDs along with 701 yards on 137 carries (5.1 average). After that, 2006 was pretty much a lost year due to the injury. He was in CLE camp but was cut this week. Look for him if he lands in a good spot. I was actually surprised CLE let him go, given their mess at RB, so maybe he's no good any more. But I'm at least keeping an eye on him due to that 2005 season. His story has parallels to Frank Gore.
RonnieBrown23
Footballguy
wasn't a UDFA but Ken Darby in the 7th could be a mike bell type sleeper. Probably starts at the #3 back behind Cadillac and Pittman, but I think once he gets healthy you will see the back you did earlier in his career at Alabama
Dirk Digler
Footballguy
AND behind Earnest Graham who just signed an extension.RonnieBrown23 said:
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
I grabbed Snelling really, really late as a path-of-least-resistance-type guy. With a new coaching regime in there, who knows?
dirtyhalos
capital letter hater!
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I'll add some more names with blurbs to this thread when I get a chance later today.
Boone22
Footballguy
Bloom,Any opinion on Ahmad Bradshaw's chances with the NYG behind Jacob's, Droughns, & Ward?
I like his chances of making the roster - he's more of a jitterbug scatback, and no one else on the roster can fill that roster. He's also a good receiver, and he can return kicks in a pinch.
My Favorite UDFA QB: From the Great DraftDaddy UDFA Floodlist
Matt Moore, QB, DAL (Oregon St) - Scrappy QB who has a chance to win the #3 and be behind an old man and a possible one year wonder.
Josh Swogger, QB, KC (Montana/Wash St) -Sturdy, Calm QB who has a chance to win the #3 and be behind an old man and an unproven 3rd rnd pick.
Zac Taylor, QB, TB (Nebraska) - Smart, efficient, but lacks a great arm - "quality WCO backup" seemed like reasonable upside for him while watching Shrine Game practices.
Tyler Palko, QB, NO (Pitt) - weak armed but gutsy improviser - old man martin backing up Brees right now
Toby Korrodi, QB, ARI (Central Missouri St) - Great arm but raw - Kurt Warner won't last much longer and 3rd string job is open IIRC
Luke Getsy, QB, SF (Akron/Pitt) - Like Palko, gutsy but lacks great tools. No entrenched 3rd stringer there.
Matt Gutierrez, QB, NE (Idaho St/Michigan) - Once great prospect who tore his labrum. Cassel won't be on the team in 09, maybe even in 08.
Jeff Smith, QB, CIN (Georgetown, KY) - Local kid who went to school where the bengals have training camp. Nice arm, NFL size.
Cullen Finnerty, QB, BAL (Grand Valley) - Productive Small School Winner - could win 3rd string if Troy Smith flames out.
Chris Leak, QB, CHI (Florida), Justin Rascati, QB, CHI (James Madison/Louisville) - Both get a lot out of average tools. Rascati is a mobile gritty winner, and we all know Leak from the natl title team. No obvious openings, but a PS spot?
Matt Moore, QB, DAL (Oregon St) - Scrappy QB who has a chance to win the #3 and be behind an old man and a possible one year wonder.
Josh Swogger, QB, KC (Montana/Wash St) -Sturdy, Calm QB who has a chance to win the #3 and be behind an old man and an unproven 3rd rnd pick.
Zac Taylor, QB, TB (Nebraska) - Smart, efficient, but lacks a great arm - "quality WCO backup" seemed like reasonable upside for him while watching Shrine Game practices.
Tyler Palko, QB, NO (Pitt) - weak armed but gutsy improviser - old man martin backing up Brees right now
Toby Korrodi, QB, ARI (Central Missouri St) - Great arm but raw - Kurt Warner won't last much longer and 3rd string job is open IIRC
Luke Getsy, QB, SF (Akron/Pitt) - Like Palko, gutsy but lacks great tools. No entrenched 3rd stringer there.
Matt Gutierrez, QB, NE (Idaho St/Michigan) - Once great prospect who tore his labrum. Cassel won't be on the team in 09, maybe even in 08.
Jeff Smith, QB, CIN (Georgetown, KY) - Local kid who went to school where the bengals have training camp. Nice arm, NFL size.
Cullen Finnerty, QB, BAL (Grand Valley) - Productive Small School Winner - could win 3rd string if Troy Smith flames out.
Chris Leak, QB, CHI (Florida), Justin Rascati, QB, CHI (James Madison/Louisville) - Both get a lot out of average tools. Rascati is a mobile gritty winner, and we all know Leak from the natl title team. No obvious openings, but a PS spot?
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Bizkiteer
Footballguy
Please elaborate...
well they cut Moss when they signed Jackson, so it's hard to draw any other conclusion.
Nigel Tufnel
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