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[Ditkaless Wonders]

Touting the Falklands as a war would be conflation enough were one not British or an Argentine. Touting it when you are a thousand miles away in something about as unruly as a Detroit Redwings Stanley Cup victory as some sort of bravery bona fides, well that's just pathetic. It is worse than Clint Eastwood trying to make a movie about the "Heroes" of the Grenada War. Listen Bub, I've been to Carnivale, Feria, and Oktoberfest. I've seen more conflict.

I got laid at all three.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

Except that the pilot didn't "misremember". He flat out lied to try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

Except that the pilot didn't "misremember". He flat out lied to try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

If that's true, then I agree with you. As I said earlier in this thread, I haven't really been following it, but the stuff I did read was very confusing.

 

[squistion]

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

Except that the pilot didn't "misremember". He flat out lied to try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

He recanted his story, saying he questioned his memories, that is not flat out lying. Exact quote "The information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories that I may have forgotten or left something out," http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iraq-pilot-backtracks-brian-williams-fire

 

[Fennis]

O'Reilly's really not a news anchor tho. He's the host of a talking head show.

Let's not forget this part of his professional career.

Bill O'Reilly freaking out! (nsfw)

 

[GroveDiesel]

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

Except that the pilot didn't "misremember". He flat out lied to try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

He recanted his story, saying he questioned his memories, that is not flat out lying. Exact quote "The information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories that I may have forgotten or left something out," http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iraq-pilot-backtracks-brian-williams-fire

He recanted when all the other pilots involved said that he wasn't there.

 

[squistion]

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

Except that the pilot didn't "misremember". He flat out lied to try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

He recanted his story, saying he questioned his memories, that is not flat out lying. Exact quote "The information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories that I may have forgotten or left something out," http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iraq-pilot-backtracks-brian-williams-fire

He recanted when all the other pilots involved said that he wasn't there.

So? Still doesn't mean he was lying when he said it. Talk to the attorneys here who deal with eyewitness testimony and how unreliable and inaccurate it can be. People misremember events they witnessed or experienced all the time, and it is not because they have a motive to protect someone. If I happened to remember an event and then everyone else involved told a different story, I would question the validity of my memories too.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

Except that the pilot didn't "misremember". He flat out lied to try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

He recanted his story, saying he questioned his memories, that is not flat out lying. Exact quote "The information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories that I may have forgotten or left something out," http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iraq-pilot-backtracks-brian-williams-fire

He recanted when all the other pilots involved said that he wasn't there.

Wait, the story now is that Williams wasn't even on any of the four choppers?

I haven't followed this closely, but I was under the impression that he was on one of the helicopters that took small arms fire, but was not on the helicopter that took RPG fire.

Still an exaggeration, but something I could see being mis-remembered. Now he wasn't even there?

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

He is a serial liar and exaggerator.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

Except that the pilot didn't "misremember". He flat out lied to try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

He recanted his story, saying he questioned his memories, that is not flat out lying. Exact quote "The information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories that I may have forgotten or left something out," http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iraq-pilot-backtracks-brian-williams-fire

He recanted when all the other pilots involved said that he wasn't there.

Wait, the story now is that Williams wasn't even on any of the four choppers?

I haven't followed this closely, but I was under the impression that he was on one of the helicopters that took small arms fire, but was not on the helicopter that took RPG fire.

Still an exaggeration, but something I could see being mis-remembered. Now he wasn't even there?

Correct. He was in a group of choppers 45 minutes behind the group that actually took fire. His group did not take fire at all.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

Except that the pilot didn't "misremember". He flat out lied to try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

He recanted his story, saying he questioned his memories, that is not flat out lying. Exact quote "The information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories that I may have forgotten or left something out," http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iraq-pilot-backtracks-brian-williams-fire

He recanted when all the other pilots involved said that he wasn't there.

So? Still doesn't mean he was lying when he said it. Talk to the attorneys here who deal with eyewitness testimony and how unreliable and inaccurate it can be. People misremember events they witnessed or experienced all the time, and it is not because they have a motive to protect someone. If I happened to remember an event and then everyone else involved told a different story, I would question the validity of my memories too.

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

Except that the pilot didn't "misremember". He flat out lied to try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

He recanted his story, saying he questioned his memories, that is not flat out lying. Exact quote "The information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories that I may have forgotten or left something out," http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iraq-pilot-backtracks-brian-williams-fire

He recanted when all the other pilots involved said that he wasn't there.

So? Still doesn't mean he was lying when he said it. Talk to the attorneys here who deal with eyewitness testimony and how unreliable and inaccurate it can be. People misremember events they witnessed or experienced all the time, and it is not because they have a motive to protect someone. If I happened to remember an event and then everyone else involved told a different story, I would question the validity of my memories too.

Eyewitnesses tend to get details wrong about height, hair color, or other details about stuff they actually see. They don't get wrong whether or not they were even there.

That pilot went into very specific detail about who was in his chopper and how it took fire. There's just no way he "misremembered" whether or not his own chopper took fire or whether a big time NBC news correspondent was in his chopper.

It's possible that the guy is just really messed up and delusional rather than outright lying, but "misremembering" in the nature that he "misremembered" is highly doubtful.

 

[Mr. Cross]

People that lie like this are sociopaths. I would not be surprised if he has murdered people.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

So? Still doesn't mean he was lying when he said it. Talk to the attorneys here who deal with eyewitness testimony and how unreliable and inaccurate it can be. People misremember events they witnessed or experienced all the time, and it is not because they have a motive to protect someone. If I happened to remember an event and then everyone else involved told a different story, I would question the validity of my memories too.

Good point. So we agree that O'Reilly probably just mis-remembered the Falklands thing.

 

[squistion]

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

Except that the pilot didn't "misremember". He flat out lied to try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

He recanted his story, saying he questioned his memories, that is not flat out lying. Exact quote "The information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories that I may have forgotten or left something out," http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iraq-pilot-backtracks-brian-williams-fire

He recanted when all the other pilots involved said that he wasn't there.

So? Still doesn't mean he was lying when he said it. Talk to the attorneys here who deal with eyewitness testimony and how unreliable and inaccurate it can be. People misremember events they witnessed or experienced all the time, and it is not because they have a motive to protect someone. If I happened to remember an event and then everyone else involved told a different story, I would question the validity of my memories too.

Eyewitnesses tend to get details wrong about height, hair color, or other details about stuff they actually see. They don't get wrong whether or not they were even there.

Those who study memory would disagree with that statement. And a lot of people claim to have attended Woodstock who were not even there - I imagine you would accept those accounts as gospel too, because people only "tend to get details wrong".

 

[jonessed]

Anyone think NBC let's Williams go if his story was like Bill's?

Wasn't Williams' helicopter actually hit by fire, and they landed and spent two nights in the desert waiting to be rescued?Doesn't bother me that Williams walked the plank, but it's not like his exaggerations weren't rooted in truth. Just like O'Reilly.

I think the only one that claimed Williams helicopter was hit was the pilot that later recanted his statement.

This is where it got very confusing for me. If a soldier in the battle can say, "I think I misremembered", then I almost want to give Williams the benefit of the doubt, too.

Except that the pilot didn't "misremember". He flat out lied to try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

He recanted his story, saying he questioned his memories, that is not flat out lying. Exact quote "The information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories that I may have forgotten or left something out," http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iraq-pilot-backtracks-brian-williams-fire

He recanted when all the other pilots involved said that he wasn't there.

So? Still doesn't mean he was lying when he said it. Talk to the attorneys here who deal with eyewitness testimony and how unreliable and inaccurate it can be. People misremember events they witnessed or experienced all the time, and it is not because they have a motive to protect someone. If I happened to remember an event and then everyone else involved told a different story, I would question the validity of my memories too.

Eyewitnesses tend to get details wrong about height, hair color, or other details about stuff they actually see. They don't get wrong whether or not they were even there.

Those who study memory would disagree with that statement. And a lot of people claim to have attended Woodstock who were not even there - I imagine you would accept those accounts as gospel too, because people only "tend to get details wrong".

He talked about it during the war. How bad are you claiming his memory to be?

 

[squistion]

try to protect Williams. He wasn't even one of the pilots that was involved at all.

He recanted his story, saying he questioned his memories, that is not flat out lying. Exact quote "The information I gave you was true based on my memories, but at this point I am questioning my memories that I may have forgotten or left something out," http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iraq-pilot-backtracks-brian-williams-fire

He recanted when all the other pilots involved said that he wasn't there.

So? Still doesn't mean he was lying when he said it. Talk to the attorneys here who deal with eyewitness testimony and how unreliable and inaccurate it can be. People misremember events they witnessed or experienced all the time, and it is not because they have a motive to protect someone. If I happened to remember an event and then everyone else involved told a different story, I would question the validity of my memories too.

Eyewitnesses tend to get details wrong about height, hair color, or other details about stuff they actually see. They don't get wrong whether or not they were even there.

Those who study memory would disagree with that statement. And a lot of people claim to have attended Woodstock who were not even there - I imagine you would accept those accounts as gospel too, because people only "tend to get details wrong".

He talked about it during the war. How bad are you claiming his memory to be?

I have no idea how good or bad the memories of the pilot are or his accounts about it during the war - I just know what he said when the Williams news first broke and that he recanted that account later.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Touting the Falklands as a war would be conflation enough were one not British or an Argentine. Touting it when you are a thousand miles away in something about as unruly as a Detroit Redwings Stanley Cup victory as some sort of bravery bona fides, well that's just pathetic. It is worse than Clint Eastwood trying to make a movie about the "Heroes" of the Grenada War. Listen Bub, I've been to Carnivale, Feria, and Oktoberfest. I've seen more conflict.

I got laid at all three.

I hope your partners all wore condoms. Safety first!

 

[avoiding injuries]

Bill O'Reilly responds:

http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/02/20/bill-oreillys-talking-points-memo-22015-airing-tonight-8pm-et

 

[joffer]

hang on. people take Papa Bear seriously?

 

[Lutherman2112]

hang on. people take Papa Bear seriously?

It's a demographic thing; 65 + and 100 IQ and lower.

The comparison between Williams and O'Reilly is such BS. Only one of them works for a news organization.

 

[Hang 10]

hang on. people take Papa Bear seriously?

It's a demographic thing; 65 + and 100 IQ and lower.

The comparison between Williams and O'Reilly is such BS. Only one of them works for a news organization.

True. Bill still has a job.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

hang on. people take Papa Bear seriously?

Apparently so. There are entire blogs devoted to what's going on at Fox News, and certain posters in this thread seem really interested in guys like O'Reilly and his colleauges. Some consider him equivalent to a network anchor. Kind of hard to wrap your mind around.

 

[squistion]

Paul Farhi ‏@farhip · 4h4 hours ago

Former CBS newsman Eric Engberg adds his eyewitness account to the @BillOReilyTV vs @DavidCornDC dust up https://m.facebook.com/eric.j.engberg/posts/10204873374051471

Jill Lawrence ‏@JillDLawrence · 3h3 hours ago

Eric Engberg on network covge of #falklands: "It was not a war zone or even close. It was an 'expense account zone.'" http://on.fb.me/1ByOPmI

 

[Long Ball Larry]

are there really people who take Bill O'Reilly seriously?

hang on. people take Papa Bear seriously?

:honda:

 

[Guest]

Fox News is the master at calling a disparity in facts a difference of opinion. They'll spin this too. Did O'Reilly do what Williams dd? Sure. But that network isn't news and even its ardent fans know it are willing to look past something as fleeting as truth.

 

[tom22406]

So people think Fox actually does news,especially Bill O'Reilly?

The only show I would even consider "news" is the Brett Baier(sp?)show and that is only for about 15 minutes with the rest being opinion from talking heads.

 

[NREC34]

Only liberal media types have to resign when they do something wrong or lie. No one takes the conservatives seriously enough to hold them to the same standard.

Kind of interesting that you consider a network anchor to be the liberal equivalent of Bill O'Reilly. What does that make Rachel Maddow, I wonder?

How do you guys know that Brian Williams is a liberal?

I always thought he was just a guy reading the news off of a prompter.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Only liberal media types have to resign when they do something wrong or lie. No one takes the conservatives seriously enough to hold them to the same standard.

Kind of interesting that you consider a network anchor to be the liberal equivalent of Bill O'Reilly. What does that make Rachel Maddow, I wonder?

How do you guys know that Brian Williams is a liberal?

Because he doesn't work for Fox?

 

[joffer]

are there really people who take Bill O'Reilly seriously?

hang on. people take Papa Bear seriously?

:honda:

 

[tommyGunZ]

hang on. people take Papa Bear seriously?

Apparently so. There are entire blogs devoted to what's going on at Fox News, and certain posters in this thread seem really interested in guys like O'Reilly and his colleauges. Some consider him equivalent to a network anchor. Kind of hard to wrap your mind around.

Is this where we pretend that the most watched show on cable news isn't influential?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

hang on. people take Papa Bear seriously?

Apparently so. There are entire blogs devoted to what's going on at Fox News, and certain posters in this thread seem really interested in guys like O'Reilly and his colleauges. Some consider him equivalent to a network anchor. Kind of hard to wrap your mind around.

Is this where we pretend that the most watched show on cable news isn't influential?

Lots of people are influential. Paul Krugman is influential, and he would never liken himself to a network anchor.

As others have pointed out, O'Reilly is a talking head who doesn't pretend to be doing anything other than offering his take on things. That's qualitatively different than a guy like Brian Williams, who's supposed to be objective. (As usually is, as far as I know).

FWIW, it certainly isn't surprising to me that a person like Bill O'Reilly might exaggerate some of his life experiences -- he comes across as that sort of person. The obsession that some of you guys have with Fox News and the little infrastructure that exists to put up the bat-signal from time to time is amusing to me. That's all.

 

[Tom Servo]

^^ The Fox News hate is strong here. that this one network bothers people so much.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Agreed. And I suspect that most people who bash Fox never watch it. Hell, O'Reilly's show is the only one I ever watch from it (and that is only sometimes), but I suspect most liberals hate it because it's a conservative channel, just like most conservatives hate MSNBC because it's a liberal channel. As neither a Democrat nor a Republican, I don't care much for either, but the blind hatred, all because their ideology is different, so many have for Fox is pretty funny.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So people think Fox actually does news,especially Bill O'Reilly?

The only show I would even consider "news" is the Brett Baier(sp?)show and that is only for about 15 minutes with the rest being opinion from talking heads.

What constitutes "news" anywhere now is really open to debate.

How many networks have "news" under their Entertainment division? I think NBC was the first to do this.

Does "reporting" exist anymore? Does journalistic ethics?

We have the White House creating its own image and video content for publications now.

After Brian Williams, how many real "reporters" can we say we know off the top of our heads who are anchors?

We have politicians and consultants who are interchanged as anchors and experts:

Stephanopoulis

Spitzer

Huckabee

Sharpton

Schultz

Pundits:

O'Reilly

Hannity

Maddow

Hayes

Harris

News anchors:

Baier

Most of CNN during the day

CBS anchor (Croft?)

Koppel

Chris Wallace (Sunday only)

Todd

Hybrid:

Cooper - note, he has been a blogger, a reality show host, and a talk show host. His spot "The Ridiculist" is awfully close and may actually be a comedy spot.

Comedy/Satire:

Gutfeld

Maher

Stewart

Oliver

Colbert

The news today reminds me more of ESPN for current affairs.

 

[ArbyMelt]

Agreed. And I suspect that most people who bash Fox never watch it. Hell, O'Reilly's show is the only one I ever watch from it (and that is only sometimes), but I suspect most liberals hate it because it's a conservative channel, just like most conservatives hate MSNBC because it's a liberal channel. As neither a Democrat nor a Republican, I don't care much for either, but the blind hatred, all because their ideology is different, so many have for Fox is pretty funny.

Heck, I'm just glad we live in a country where the news can be slanted both ways, and we have the option of watching either. Sounds like many on this board want to shut down Fox News.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Once the Williams story blew up as big as it did and conservatives pounced on it, liberal outlets searched for any dirt they could find on a conservative "reporter". They thought they hit the jackpot with Fox News' top talking head. Classic diversion tactic.

 

[Rayderr]

Bill O'Reilly tries to end Falklands controversy: 'I want to stop this now' Bill O'Reilly used archival footage on Monday to try and end a dispute over claims he's made about his time covering the Falklands War.O'Reilly's latest rebuttal to a report published by Mother Jones focused on a protest he covered in Buenos Aires for CBS News at the conclusion of the 1982 conflict between Argentina and Britain.


At issue: O'Reilly has made several references over the years to being in a "war zone" and a "combat situation." Since he and most reporters covered the war from Buenos Aires, the question was whether a protest there fit those descriptions.

In previous accounts, O'Reilly has also said "many were killed" in the protest and that he was forced to rescue his photographer, who had been "run down" and bloodied in the mayhem.

Following the Mother Jones report, several former colleagues also in Argentina at the time disputed those claims.

On his Fox News show on Monday, O'Reilly mocked the "far-left zealots" who he said had described the protest as a "day in the park." That was a reference to former CBS News correspondent Eric Engberg, who backed the Mother Jones report and said the Buenos Aires riot was "relatively tame."

O'Reilly showed CBS News footage from the protest, including a report that had been filed by Engberg. CBS News posted the footage on its website earlier on Monday.

Engberg's report, which originally aired in June of 1982, described police officers firing tear gas and plastic bullets at protesters.

"It is not known how many were hurt, but witnesses reported at least some serious injuries," Engberg reported at the time. The report also mentioned arrests and beatings.

Dan Rather introduced the broadcast by noting that "some television crew members were knocked to the ground."

O'Reilly said Monday he stands by his claim that people were killed in the riots. "I saw people hit the ground hard. I saw them hauled off, put into ambulances and police vehicles," O'Reilly said. "And the local reportage was that there were fatalities. We have not been able to say how many, alright? But I believe there were."

After showing the footage, O'Reilly spoke to former NBC News Miami bureau chief Don Browne, who backed O'Reilly's characterization of Buenos Aires. "It was a country at war," Browne said.

On his show, O'Reilly made it clear that he intends to put the whole matter to rest. "I want to stop this now," he said. "I hope we can stop it. I really do."

CNNMoney (New York) February 23, 2015: 11:40 PM ET

Interesting....

 

[Hang 10]

Bill O'Reilly tries to end Falklands controversy: 'I want to stop this now' Bill O'Reilly used archival footage on Monday to try and end a dispute over claims he's made about his time covering the Falklands War.O'Reilly's latest rebuttal to a report published by Mother Jones focused on a protest he covered in Buenos Aires for CBS News at the conclusion of the 1982 conflict between Argentina and Britain.


At issue: O'Reilly has made several references over the years to being in a "war zone" and a "combat situation." Since he and most reporters covered the war from Buenos Aires, the question was whether a protest there fit those descriptions.

In previous accounts, O'Reilly has also said "many were killed" in the protest and that he was forced to rescue his photographer, who had been "run down" and bloodied in the mayhem.

Following the Mother Jones report, several former colleagues also in Argentina at the time disputed those claims.

On his Fox News show on Monday, O'Reilly mocked the "far-left zealots" who he said had described the protest as a "day in the park." That was a reference to former CBS News correspondent Eric Engberg, who backed the Mother Jones report and said the Buenos Aires riot was "relatively tame."

O'Reilly showed CBS News footage from the protest, including a report that had been filed by Engberg. CBS News posted the footage on its website earlier on Monday.

Engberg's report, which originally aired in June of 1982, described police officers firing tear gas and plastic bullets at protesters.

"It is not known how many were hurt, but witnesses reported at least some serious injuries," Engberg reported at the time. The report also mentioned arrests and beatings.

Dan Rather introduced the broadcast by noting that "some television crew members were knocked to the ground."

O'Reilly said Monday he stands by his claim that people were killed in the riots. "I saw people hit the ground hard. I saw them hauled off, put into ambulances and police vehicles," O'Reilly said. "And the local reportage was that there were fatalities. We have not been able to say how many, alright? But I believe there were."

After showing the footage, O'Reilly spoke to former NBC News Miami bureau chief Don Browne, who backed O'Reilly's characterization of Buenos Aires. "It was a country at war," Browne said.

On his show, O'Reilly made it clear that he intends to put the whole matter to rest. "I want to stop this now," he said. "I hope we can stop it. I really do."

CNNMoney (New York) February 23, 2015: 11:40 PM ET

Interesting....

So again it just comes down to a semantics argument about O'reilly's use of "warzone". In Rather's report even he mentions the fighting continuing in the capital and says the government was battling it's own people. Seems silly to go back 30+ years for this.

 

[TheIronSheik]

Eyewitnesses tend to get details wrong about height, hair color, or other details about stuff they actually see. They don't get wrong whether or not they were even there.

That pilot went into very specific detail about who was in his chopper and how it took fire. There's just no way he "misremembered" whether or not his own chopper took fire or whether a big time NBC news correspondent was in his chopper.

It's possible that the guy is just really messed up and delusional rather than outright lying, but "misremembering" in the nature that he "misremembered" is highly doubtful.

I have never been in an active war zone besides once getting lost in Camden, NJ. But there was an article on CNN from a doctor who dealt with people who went through stressful things like combat, and he stated that people do what Brian Williams do a lot, and they don't even know they're doing it.

I'm not sticking up for anyone, but I just thought it was interesting that a doctor took the time to write an article saying that what Brian Williams did was not uncommon for people in that situation.

 

[avoiding injuries]

Bill O'Reilly tries to end Falklands controversy: 'I want to stop this now' Bill O'Reilly used archival footage on Monday to try and end a dispute over claims he's made about his time covering the Falklands War.

O'Reilly's latest rebuttal to a report published by Mother Jones focused on a protest he covered in Buenos Aires for CBS News at the conclusion of the 1982 conflict between Argentina and Britain.

At issue: O'Reilly has made several references over the years to being in a "war zone" and a "combat situation." Since he and most reporters covered the war from Buenos Aires, the question was whether a protest there fit those descriptions.

In previous accounts, O'Reilly has also said "many were killed" in the protest and that he was forced to rescue his photographer, who had been "run down" and bloodied in the mayhem.

Following the Mother Jones report, several former colleagues also in Argentina at the time disputed those claims.

On his Fox News show on Monday, O'Reilly mocked the "far-left zealots" who he said had described the protest as a "day in the park." That was a reference to former CBS News correspondent Eric Engberg, who backed the Mother Jones report and said the Buenos Aires riot was "relatively tame."

O'Reilly showed CBS News footage from the protest, including a report that had been filed by Engberg. CBS News posted the footage on its website earlier on Monday.

Engberg's report, which originally aired in June of 1982, described police officers firing tear gas and plastic bullets at protesters.

"It is not known how many were hurt, but witnesses reported at least some serious injuries," Engberg reported at the time. The report also mentioned arrests and beatings.

Dan Rather introduced the broadcast by noting that "some television crew members were knocked to the ground."

O'Reilly said Monday he stands by his claim that people were killed in the riots. "I saw people hit the ground hard. I saw them hauled off, put into ambulances and police vehicles," O'Reilly said. "And the local reportage was that there were fatalities. We have not been able to say how many, alright? But I believe there were."

After showing the footage, O'Reilly spoke to former NBC News Miami bureau chief Don Browne, who backed O'Reilly's characterization of Buenos Aires. "It was a country at war," Browne said.

On his show, O'Reilly made it clear that he intends to put the whole matter to rest. "I want to stop this now," he said. "I hope we can stop it. I really do."

CNNMoney (New York) February 23, 2015: 11:40 PM ET

Interesting....

So again it just comes down to a semantics argument about O'reilly's use of "warzone". In Rather's report even he mentions the fighting continuing in the capital and says the government was battling it's own people. Seems silly to go back 30+ years for this.

It's a successful diversion tactic. Now Engberg is saying it was "relatively tame" but reported tear gas, rubber bullets and serious injuries at the time. Sounds like ferguson, where almost everyone considered it a combat zone.

 

[saintfool]

Once the Williams story blew up as big as it did and conservatives pounced on it, liberal outlets searched for any dirt they could find on a conservative "reporter". They thought they hit the jackpot with Fox News' top talking head. Classic diversion tactic.

diversion from what? Williams is already in media Siberia now.

i don't doubt that this tied to Williams. however, i think it is more about O'Reilly's moralizing about Williams gaffe than the "liberal outlets" - MJ having won awards for investigative journalism, IIRC - than anything. to my mind here, this amounts to "gotcha journalism" and little else. O'Reilly isn't nearly as vulnerable as, say, Williams was. he's not going anywhere unless Megyn Kelly says so.

 

[Hang 10]

Once the Williams story blew up as big as it did and conservatives pounced on it, liberal outlets searched for any dirt they could find on a conservative "reporter". They thought they hit the jackpot with Fox News' top talking head. Classic diversion tactic.

i don't doubt that this tied to Williams.

 

[KingPrawn]

Bill O'Reilly tries to end Falklands controversy: 'I want to stop this now' Bill O'Reilly used archival footage on Monday to try and end a dispute over claims he's made about his time covering the Falklands War.

O'Reilly's latest rebuttal to a report published by Mother Jones focused on a protest he covered in Buenos Aires for CBS News at the conclusion of the 1982 conflict between Argentina and Britain.

At issue: O'Reilly has made several references over the years to being in a "war zone" and a "combat situation." Since he and most reporters covered the war from Buenos Aires, the question was whether a protest there fit those descriptions.

In previous accounts, O'Reilly has also said "many were killed" in the protest and that he was forced to rescue his photographer, who had been "run down" and bloodied in the mayhem.

Following the Mother Jones report, several former colleagues also in Argentina at the time disputed those claims.

On his Fox News show on Monday, O'Reilly mocked the "far-left zealots" who he said had described the protest as a "day in the park." That was a reference to former CBS News correspondent Eric Engberg, who backed the Mother Jones report and said the Buenos Aires riot was "relatively tame."

O'Reilly showed CBS News footage from the protest, including a report that had been filed by Engberg. CBS News posted the footage on its website earlier on Monday.

Engberg's report, which originally aired in June of 1982, described police officers firing tear gas and plastic bullets at protesters.

"It is not known how many were hurt, but witnesses reported at least some serious injuries," Engberg reported at the time. The report also mentioned arrests and beatings.

Dan Rather introduced the broadcast by noting that "some television crew members were knocked to the ground."

O'Reilly said Monday he stands by his claim that people were killed in the riots. "I saw people hit the ground hard. I saw them hauled off, put into ambulances and police vehicles," O'Reilly said. "And the local reportage was that there were fatalities. We have not been able to say how many, alright? But I believe there were."

After showing the footage, O'Reilly spoke to former NBC News Miami bureau chief Don Browne, who backed O'Reilly's characterization of Buenos Aires. "It was a country at war," Browne said.

On his show, O'Reilly made it clear that he intends to put the whole matter to rest. "I want to stop this now," he said. "I hope we can stop it. I really do."

CNNMoney (New York) February 23, 2015: 11:40 PM ET

Interesting....

So again it just comes down to a semantics argument about O'reilly's use of "warzone". In Rather's report even he mentions the fighting continuing in the capital and says the government was battling it's own people. Seems silly to go back 30+ years for this.

It's a successful diversion tactic. Now Engberg is saying it was "relatively tame" but reported tear gas, rubber bullets and serious injuries at the time. Sounds like ferguson, where almost everyone considered it a combat zone.

O'Reilly also showed a caption of I think the Christian Science Monitor from the Falkalnd's war that referred to it as a "battle zone".

 

[avoiding injuries]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/03/nbc-news-brian-williams-deborah-turness.html

NY Magazine has a lengthy article about the "behind the scenes" struggle within NBC and their news division during this incident and the past year. It's an entertaining read.

With regards to Brian Williams, colleagues are quoted as saying that he would not air "divisive" stories, which were stories that made the Obama administration look bad. Also, Williams did not appear to be well liked by the people he worked with, as numerous people have said "what goes around, comes around".

 

[James Daulton]

I like Lester!

 

[avoiding injuries]

I like Lester!

Love Lester. I hope he gets the job. Very deserving.

 

[nightmare]

The problem here is that B Williams DID NOT experience any "combat". Yes, you go through a mind

numbing event your memory could be faulty. He was in the second set of copters that did not experience

any trouble or at least trouble like the first set.

Eyewitnesses tend to get details wrong about height, hair color, or other details about stuff they actually see. They don't get wrong whether or not they were even there.

That pilot went into very specific detail about who was in his chopper and how it took fire. There's just no way he "misremembered" whether or not his own chopper took fire or whether a big time NBC news correspondent was in his chopper.

It's possible that the guy is just really messed up and delusional rather than outright lying, but "misremembering" in the nature that he "misremembered" is highly doubtful.

I have never been in an active war zone besides once getting lost in Camden, NJ. But there was an article on CNN from a doctor who dealt with people who went through stressful things like combat, and he stated that people do what Brian Williams do a lot, and they don't even know they're doing it.

I'm not sticking up for anyone, but I just thought it was interesting that a doctor took the time to write an article saying that what Brian Williams did was not uncommon for people in that situation.

 

[The General]

^^ The Fox News hate is strong here. that this one network bothers people so much.

Isn't Fox News schtick to get people to hate them? Only reason I'd see why they'd put the Hannity type jack holes on there.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Touting the Falklands as a war would be conflation enough were one not British or an Argentine. Touting it when you are a thousand miles away in something about as unruly as a Detroit Redwings Stanley Cup victory as some sort of bravery bona fides, well that's just pathetic. It is worse than Clint Eastwood trying to make a movie about the "Heroes" of the Grenada War. Listen Bub, I've been to Carnivale, Feria, and Oktoberfest. I've seen more conflict.

I got laid at all three.

I hope your partners all wore condoms. Safety first!

I laughed.