LT I arrested in alleged rape (1 Viewer)

[radballs]

In my opinion, moral or immoral, lawful or unlawful, did LT force this girl to have sex with him? Even though he contracted services to do so. Just for a minute, let's assume she was of age (say 17) and she willingly went there for the promise of being paid $300-$400 or whatever. Assume, he was a relative gentleman and talked with her and then engaged in sex with her.

What's wrong with any of that? Nothing in my opinion. It just smells of pimp daddy realizing it's LT and he's looking for a big payday and all kinds of media coverage. Once again, our society is being lead around by the nose by the media to castigate and condemn celebrities.

 

[jackdubl]

Here in our free country, where we value personal responsibiltiy, it's on you.

I assume you're kidding with this tag since the personal responsibility in this case should lie with someone other than LT in this case. Not taking personal responsibility are all the other people associated with, number 1, the girl herself, number 2, the pimp, number 3, the laws as they are written, and number 4, the moralists condemning LT before any additional evidence has come forth that supports LT raping anybody.

The personal responsibility part comes in where LT personally had sex with a minor, allegedly. It's like saying, "I bought this $800 Bose home theater off this guy's truck for $200 still in the box, it turned out to be stolen goods, but I shouldn't be responsible for accepting stolen property. The crook who sold it to me should be responsible. He didn't tell me it was stolen."

 

[jackdubl]

In my opinion, moral or immoral, lawful or unlawful, did LT force this girl to have sex with him? Even though he contracted services to do so. Just for a minute, let's assume she was of age (say 17) and she willingly went there for the promise of being paid $300-$400 or whatever. Assume, he was a relative gentleman and talked with her and then engaged in sex with her.

What's wrong with any of that? Nothing in my opinion. It just smells of pimp daddy realizing it's LT and he's looking for a big payday and all kinds of media coverage. Once again, our society is being lead around by the nose by the media to castigate and condemn celebrities.

I think the pimp has everything to lose and nothing to gain by making this public.

 

[dgreen]

In my opinion, moral or immoral, lawful or unlawful, did LT force this girl to have sex with him?

The "force" is based on the assumption that she, due to her age, is incapable of making a consenting decision.

 

[radballs]

Example, a high school male senior who's been dating another high school female senior for years (who are both 17), then have sex when the boy turns 18 (but she's still 17) is rape, right? Is it still rape if her 18th birthday occurred first? Are they both legal to have sex when they're both 17? Are they legal when they're both 18? So, if their birthdays are six months apart, they just have to go without sex until the other one catches up? What if both are boys or both are girls? What is lesbian sex? Does it have to include some kind of penetration? A little confused here.

Most state laws require you to be four years older or more for it to be statutory rape, even if one person is under 17 years old. They did that for exactly the types of situations you describe. But not everywhere has made that change yet. New York has, however. See post #7 - it says someone who is 21 or older having sex with someone under 17.

Thanks for the clarification there. So, a 21 year old supermodel piano teacher is a rapist when I get lucky a day before my 17th birthday. Wow.

Sure. They pick a place to draw lines. I'm sure there's room to quibble about where exactly the lines are drawn.And, in your example, you wouldn't report this to the police so nothing would ever happen.

Exactly my point. So, why was this reported? That's my question. I guess we'll find out more when more details are available. Thing that sucks about these kinds of things though is that the target is tarnished despite the fact that the incident probably shouldn't have been reported in the first place. And you know that the police and local DA will want that 12 pointer trophy hanging on the wall in their office so we'll see what kind of justice LT receives.

 

[jackdubl]

In my opinion, moral or immoral, lawful or unlawful, did LT force this girl to have sex with him?

The "force" is based on the assumption that she, due to her age, is incapable of making a consenting decision.

Force doesn't even come into the equation. Sex is a consensual act and the law presumes that persons under the age of 17 are too young to consent because they don't know diddly about how the world is.

 

[B-Deep]

In my opinion, moral or immoral, lawful or unlawful, did LT force this girl to have sex with him? Even though he contracted services to do so. Just for a minute, let's assume she was of age (say 17) and she willingly went there for the promise of being paid $300-$400 or whatever. Assume, he was a relative gentleman and talked with her and then engaged in sex with her. What's wrong with any of that? Nothing in my opinion. It just smells of pimp daddy realizing it's LT and he's looking for a big payday and all kinds of media coverage. Once again, our society is being lead around by the nose by the media to castigate and condemn celebrities.

lets assume she did not charge himand it was his girlfriend!and they just held hands!

 

[Koya]

defending LT because he may not have known the hooker was under 18seriously

Seriously what? BIG difference between soliciation of a prostitute (if you thought no other crime was involved) and purposefully bedding a minor.

 

[jackdubl]

Exactly my point. So, why was this reported? That's my question.

I guess we'll find out more when more details are available. Thing that sucks about these kinds of things though is that the target is tarnished despite the fact that the incident probably shouldn't have been reported in the first place. And you know that the police and local DA will want that 12 pointer trophy hanging on the wall in their office so we'll see what kind of justice LT receives.

News story said the girl reported it. Says she telephoned her uncle after the incident.

 

[B-Deep]

defending LT because he may not have known the hooker was under 18seriously

Seriously what? BIG difference between soliciation of a prostitute (if you thought no other crime was involved) and purposefully bedding a minor.

of course, we have no idea what he thoughtandthe fact is she was 14!but if we assume he thought she was 18, and if we assume he did not punch her in the face, then yes, all he did was have sex with a hooker. I'm pretty sure i'll make him my son's godfather.

 

[dgreen]

Exactly my point. So, why was this reported? That's my question.

You're not very good at this Devil's Advocate thing.When a 16 year old boy has sex with a 21 year old supermodel, it's probably because he really wanted to. When a 15 year old prostitute who works for a pimp has sex with a 50 year old, it's probably for a different reason.

I guess we'll find out more when more details are available. Thing that sucks about these kinds of things though is that the target is tarnished despite the fact that the incident probably shouldn't have been reported in the first place. And you know that the police and local DA will want that 12 pointer trophy hanging on the wall in their office so we'll see what kind of justice LT receives.

Why shouldn't this incident have been reported?

 

[radballs]

Here in our free country, where we value personal responsibiltiy, it's on you.

I assume you're kidding with this tag since the personal responsibility in this case should lie with someone other than LT in this case. Not taking personal responsibility are all the other people associated with, number 1, the girl herself, number 2, the pimp, number 3, the laws as they are written, and number 4, the moralists condemning LT before any additional evidence has come forth that supports LT raping anybody.

Just because you think all those other people involved are in the wrong doesn't make LT in the right. And, the law is basically saying there's no personal responsibility for the girl because she's incapable of making such a decision on her own. Whether she's capable or not doesn't matter in the law; it's all based on her age. Again, a line is drawn somewhere and she's below that line. Therefore, no responsibility on her part.

Good point, but I totally disagree with the law on that. You right there though although I think most 15 year olds can easily make those distinctions not to mention that I strongly believe it's her pimp and a lawyer driving this bus now.Another side note, I am no way an LT fan and I do think he's a complete scumbag. But, I felt that way before this came out. I still want to interpret what's really going on here and I don't know how much of this should really be on him. In other words, I want MUCH MORE personal responsibility put on the other characters in this joke of a story. The pimp and the hooker don't have anything to lose. The media has nothing to lose. The former NFL star player gets all the #######' blame and it doesn't seem right to me unless more damaging details come out.

 

[radballs]

In my opinion, moral or immoral, lawful or unlawful, did LT force this girl to have sex with him? Even though he contracted services to do so. Just for a minute, let's assume she was of age (say 17) and she willingly went there for the promise of being paid $300-$400 or whatever. Assume, he was a relative gentleman and talked with her and then engaged in sex with her. What's wrong with any of that? Nothing in my opinion. It just smells of pimp daddy realizing it's LT and he's looking for a big payday and all kinds of media coverage. Once again, our society is being lead around by the nose by the media to castigate and condemn celebrities.

lets assume she did not charge him

If she and her pimp didn't charge him, nobody would know about this. I'm sure many professional athletes, maybe like Broadway Joe, may have been in similar situations before as well. Media didn't cover a lot of that back then or it was covered up.

 

[dgreen]

Good point, but I totally disagree with the law on that. You right there though although I think most 15 year olds can easily make those distinctions not to mention that I strongly believe it's her pimp and a lawyer driving this bus now.Another side note, I am no way an LT fan and I do think he's a complete scumbag. But, I felt that way before this came out. I still want to interpret what's really going on here and I don't know how much of this should really be on him. In other words, I want MUCH MORE personal responsibility put on the other characters in this joke of a story. The pimp and the hooker don't have anything to lose. The media has nothing to lose. The former NFL star player gets all the #######' blame and it doesn't seem right to me unless more damaging details come out.

As mentioned before, the pimp has nothing to gain here. He's a pimp. He's involved in illegal activity and has compounded that by dealing in minors. There's no way, at all, the pimp wants this out there.

 

[jackdubl]

Good point, but I totally disagree with the law on that. You right there though although I think most 15 year olds can easily make those distinctions not to mention that I strongly believe it's her pimp and a lawyer driving this bus now.

Another side note, I am no way an LT fan and I do think he's a complete scumbag. But, I felt that way before this came out. I still want to interpret what's really going on here and I don't know how much of this should really be on him. In other words, I want MUCH MORE personal responsibility put on the other characters in this joke of a story. The pimp and the hooker don't have anything to lose. The media has nothing to lose. The former NFL star player gets all the #######' blame and it doesn't seem right to me unless more damaging details come out.

The pimp has something to lose, could be criminally prosecuted. Will probably cut a deal in exchange for testimony. Same for the girl. Could end up in juvi or something. Why do you think no one has anything to lose here but LT?

 

[Koya]

defending LT because he may not have known the hooker was under 18

seriously

Seriously what? BIG difference between soliciation of a prostitute (if you thought no other crime was involved) and purposefully bedding a minor.

of course, we have no idea what he thoughtand

the fact is she was 14!

but if we assume he thought she was 18, and if we assume he did not punch her in the face, then yes, all he did was have sex with a hooker. I'm pretty sure i'll make him my son's godfather.

Right now, Im not assuming anything... we need to learn a lot more. But if indeed the bolded case is the scenario, while such actions are not exactly a moral victory, it places LT in the group of men that have knowingly paid a hooker to have sex with them (thats a good number of men, btw) as compared to those who knownigly had sex with a minor. You really would judge someone who has hired a hooker and someone who looks to sleep with 15 year old girls with the same judgemental eyes? I mean, they are vastly different in my book, even if neither is the act of an angel.

 

[radballs]

Exactly my point. So, why was this reported? That's my question.

I guess we'll find out more when more details are available. Thing that sucks about these kinds of things though is that the target is tarnished despite the fact that the incident probably shouldn't have been reported in the first place. And you know that the police and local DA will want that 12 pointer trophy hanging on the wall in their office so we'll see what kind of justice LT receives.

News story said the girl reported it. Says she telephoned her uncle after the incident.

So, she called her uncle first. He says, "Holy moly, you got with LT. Let's put him through the ringer. You do know that former pro athlete is worth millions." She says, "Alright, Unc, I'm dialing 911 right now. Thanks for the advice and I promise we'll fly first class to Hawaii when this is settled."

 

[dgreen]

Exactly my point. So, why was this reported? That's my question.

I guess we'll find out more when more details are available. Thing that sucks about these kinds of things though is that the target is tarnished despite the fact that the incident probably shouldn't have been reported in the first place. And you know that the police and local DA will want that 12 pointer trophy hanging on the wall in their office so we'll see what kind of justice LT receives.

News story said the girl reported it. Says she telephoned her uncle after the incident.

So, she called her uncle first. He says, "Holy moly, you got with LT. Let's put him through the ringer. You do know that former pro athlete is worth millions." She says, "Alright, Unc, I'm dialing 911 right now. Thanks for the advice and I promise we'll fly first class to Hawaii when this is settled."

Even if that's how the reporting went down, it does nothing to show that LT is not guilty and that the incident should not have been reported.

 

[radballs]

Exactly my point. So, why was this reported? That's my question.

You're not very good at this Devil's Advocate thing.When a 16 year old boy has sex with a 21 year old supermodel, it's probably because he really wanted to. When a 15 year old prostitute who works for a pimp has sex with a 50 year old, it's probably for a different reason.

I guess we'll find out more when more details are available. Thing that sucks about these kinds of things though is that the target is tarnished despite the fact that the incident probably shouldn't have been reported in the first place. And you know that the police and local DA will want that 12 pointer trophy hanging on the wall in their office so we'll see what kind of justice LT receives.

Why shouldn't this incident have been reported?

Because I still work off of the assumption that she works willingly for the pimp because he helps her make money. I still work off of the assumption that all parties involved in this transaction were better off either emotionally or financially because of it. Otherwise, the deal would not have been made. Usually, that means that you don't call the cops after the transaction occurs. Just sounds like a money grab to me unless he actually did physically assault and rape her.

 

[radballs]

Good point, but I totally disagree with the law on that. You right there though although I think most 15 year olds can easily make those distinctions not to mention that I strongly believe it's her pimp and a lawyer driving this bus now.Another side note, I am no way an LT fan and I do think he's a complete scumbag. But, I felt that way before this came out. I still want to interpret what's really going on here and I don't know how much of this should really be on him. In other words, I want MUCH MORE personal responsibility put on the other characters in this joke of a story. The pimp and the hooker don't have anything to lose. The media has nothing to lose. The former NFL star player gets all the #######' blame and it doesn't seem right to me unless more damaging details come out.

As mentioned before, the pimp has nothing to gain here. He's a pimp. He's involved in illegal activity and has compounded that by dealing in minors. There's no way, at all, the pimp wants this out there.

I disagree with that. His punishment would pale in comparison to the financial gain he might get from her down the road.

 

[B-Deep]

Exactly my point. So, why was this reported? That's my question.

You're not very good at this Devil's Advocate thing.When a 16 year old boy has sex with a 21 year old supermodel, it's probably because he really wanted to. When a 15 year old prostitute who works for a pimp has sex with a 50 year old, it's probably for a different reason.

I guess we'll find out more when more details are available. Thing that sucks about these kinds of things though is that the target is tarnished despite the fact that the incident probably shouldn't have been reported in the first place. And you know that the police and local DA will want that 12 pointer trophy hanging on the wall in their office so we'll see what kind of justice LT receives.

Why shouldn't this incident have been reported?

Because I still work off of the assumption that she works willingly for the pimp because he helps her make money. I still work off of the assumption that all parties involved in this transaction were better off either emotionally or financially because of it. Otherwise, the deal would not have been made. Usually, that means that you don't call the cops after the transaction occurs. Just sounds like a money grab to me unless he actually did physically assault and rape her.

she says he didof course, she is a hooker that probably lied about her age

LT should sue her

 

[radballs]

she says he didof course, she is a hooker that probably lied about her age

Exactly, you think her credibility would hold up in court? She's a hooker and a liar. Poor LT for getting his name dragged through the mud.

 

[jackdubl]

Because I still work off of the assumption that she works willingly for the pimp because he helps her make money. I still work off of the assumption that all parties involved in this transaction were better off either emotionally or financially because of it. Otherwise, the deal would not have been made. Usually, that means that you don't call the cops after the transaction occurs. Just sounds like a money grab to me unless he actually did physically assault and rape her.

Rad, listen. The girl called her uncle after the incident. The uncle most likely reported it. I doubt the 15-year-old girl knows who LT is and would recognize him. The pimp can't get any money directly out of this, only the girl herself would be able to do that. A court is not going to award the girl any money if she sues LT because she herself was engaged in illegal activity. It is called the doctrine of unclean hands; you can't ask a court to enforce the law for you while you were breaking the law. So please explain how this sounds like a money grab.

 

[B-Deep]

she says he didof course, she is a hooker that probably lied about her age

Exactly, you think her credibility would hold up in court? She's a hooker and a liar. Poor LT for getting his name dragged through the mud.

where he's just and honest coke head who likes to hire young looking prostitutesor under age prostitutes, for all we know he requested a 16 year old

 

[dgreen]

Exactly my point. So, why was this reported? That's my question.

You're not very good at this Devil's Advocate thing.When a 16 year old boy has sex with a 21 year old supermodel, it's probably because he really wanted to. When a 15 year old prostitute who works for a pimp has sex with a 50 year old, it's probably for a different reason.

I guess we'll find out more when more details are available. Thing that sucks about these kinds of things though is that the target is tarnished despite the fact that the incident probably shouldn't have been reported in the first place. And you know that the police and local DA will want that 12 pointer trophy hanging on the wall in their office so we'll see what kind of justice LT receives.

Why shouldn't this incident have been reported?

Because I still work off of the assumption that she works willingly for the pimp because he helps her make money.

I guess it depends on your definition of "willingly". I'm guessing there's pretty severe consequences for her if she wanted to leave him.

I still work off of the assumption that all parties involved in this transaction were better off either emotionally or financially because of it. Otherwise, the deal would not have been made. Usually, that means that you don't call the cops after the transaction occurs.

Prostitutes generally don't call the cops because...wait for it...they are prostitutes. That's like a thief reporting he was bit by a dog when trying to rob a house.Plus, as I mentioned, probably some pretty severe consequences if she were to open herself and her pimp up for prosecution.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Somewhere in Pittsburgh, Big Ben breathes a little easier today as he drops below the fold.

 

[road warrior]

Somewhere in Pittsburgh, Big Ben breathes a little easier today as he drops below the fold.

Pray he doesn't go out to celebrate.

 

[B-Deep]

Somewhere in Pittsburgh, Big Ben breathes a little easier today as he drops below the fold.

tiger is in the newsben knocks him outLT knocks ben outthe circle of life:elton:

 

[Pickle Rody]

Somewhere in Pittsburgh, Big Ben breathes a little easier today as he drops below the fold.

Actually, I think this newest episode of "Watch the NFL star fall from grace!" will only shed more light on the most recent incidents, as they will be mentioned in reference to a trend.

 

[unckeyherb]

Because I still work off of the assumption that she works willingly for the pimp because he helps her make money. I still work off of the assumption that all parties involved in this transaction were better off either emotionally or financially because of it. Otherwise, the deal would not have been made. Usually, that means that you don't call the cops after the transaction occurs. Just sounds like a money grab to me unless he actually did physically assault and rape her.

Unfortunately, while those assumptions are all very convenient for your argument, they make little sense. Works willingly? doubtful. There is a strong probability that she is either being threatened with violence, strung out on drugs or both. She is 15 yrs old, took a shot to grill and was banged by a 51 old ex NFL linebacker in some skank motel in Jersey, while her pimp most likely kept most of, if not all the money, LT paid. How is she better emotionally? Physically? Also, this isn't the sale of a radio at a yard sale; "usually" can probably be thrown out as I do not believe there are many rules/regulations governing contractual obligations for illegal prostitution.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Because I still work off of the assumption that she works willingly for the pimp because he helps her make money.

If she is under 18 then she can't legally consent to work willingly for the pimp.

 

[Multiple Scores]

LTs lawyer is a whiny weasel.

 

[moondog]

SUFFERN, N.Y. (AP) -- Police say Pro Football Hall of Famer Lawrence Taylor has been charged with third-degree rape and patronizing a prostitute in an assault on a 16-year-old runaway who was brought to his suburban New York City hotel room against her will.

The former New York Giants linebacker was arrested early Thursday at a Holiday Inn in Suffern, N.Y. Police say the victim was 16, one year below the legal age of consent in New York.

An attorney for Taylor, Kenneth Gribetz, says he is confident Taylor will be proven innocent.

Ramapo Chief of Police Peter Brower says Taylor paid the girl $300. He wouldn't comment on whether Taylor knew how young she was, but he said, "Ignorance is not an excuse to an individual's age."

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[jackdubl]

More details: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/th...-victim-is-16/1

Police in Ramapo, N.Y., detailed the class-E felony rape charge they levied against Pro Football Hall of Famer Lawrence Taylor on Thursday afternoon.

Town supervisor Christopher St. Lawrence said that police believe Taylor committed the statutory rape of the 16-year-old victim who St. Lawrence said was "delivered" to a Holiday Inn in Ramapo by Rasheed Davis at about 1 a.m. Police in New York City arrested Davis on Thursday morning, part of a string of events that led police to Taylor.

Police said the victim was a "runaway" from New York City who, after he alleged encounter with Taylor in the hotel room, was able to get help from her uncle to separate her from Davis after he brought her back to New York City. "She was able to communicate with her uncle who had reported her missing," St. Lawrence said.

Taylor was set to be arraigned later on Thursday. Police said he paid the victim $300, which she then turned over to Davis.

The victim suffered an injury to her face, but St. Lawrence made clear that police do not suspect that Taylor was involved in that crime. "The injury to the victim's face occurred prior to her entering the room at the Holiday Inn," he said.

Added Ramapo police chief Peter Brower "He was very concerned about being accused of injuring the victim."

Brower was not able to say if Taylor was aware that the victim was underage. But he added, "ignorance is not an excuse."

Rape in the third degree could bring a sentence of up to four years if Taylor were convicted. He was also charged with a misdemeanor count of solicitation of a prostitute, which Brower said could bring up to a year in jail.

St. Lawrence said that Taylor, who was alone in the hotel room when police confronted him at about 4 a.m., was "very cooperative."

Taylor's attorney, Kenneth Gribetz, said earlier Thursday that was innocent.

Brower would not say if Taylor admitted to having sex with the victim. -- Sean Leahy

 

[unckeyherb]

SUFFERN, N.Y. (AP) -- Police say Pro Football Hall of Famer Lawrence Taylor has been charged with third-degree rape and patronizing a prostitute in an assault on a 16-year-old runaway who was brought to his suburban New York City hotel room against her will.

The former New York Giants linebacker was arrested early Thursday at a Holiday Inn in Suffern, N.Y. Police say the victim was 16, one year below the legal age of consent in New York.

An attorney for Taylor, Kenneth Gribetz, says he is confident Taylor will be proven innocent.

Ramapo Chief of Police Peter Brower says Taylor paid the girl $300. He wouldn't comment on whether Taylor knew how young she was, but he said, "Ignorance is not an excuse to an individual's age."

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[B-Deep]

yeah

when a young looking hooker with a bloody lip comes in the room, there's no reason to rethink what you are about to do

 

[jackdubl]

Radball, please read post #84. Should address most of your concerns.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Why was LTs lawyer yapping that LT doesn't know who the victim is? Was he trying to have the judge say her name in open court so the public could hang her?

 

[cobalt_27]

Wait a minute. LT is feeling lonely while at a hotel and contacts the concierge about acquiring some female companionship. She arrives and provides said services. What's the problem here?

Fascinating stuff right here.She was 16, dude.

 

[Tom Servo]

Because I still work off of the assumption that she works willingly for the pimp because he helps her make money.

If by "willingly" you mean the pimp drags her around to her clients, slaps her around if she holds back money and keeps her ID so she can't run away, then I would agree with you.

 

[cobalt_27]

Example, a high school male senior who's been dating another high school female senior for years (who are both 17), then have sex when the boy turns 18 (but she's still 17) is rape, right? Is it still rape if her 18th birthday occurred first? Are they both legal to have sex when they're both 17? Are they legal when they're both 18? So, if their birthdays are six months apart, they just have to go without sex until the other one catches up? What if both are boys or both are girls? What is lesbian sex? Does it have to include some kind of penetration? A little confused here.

Most state laws require you to be four years older or more for it to be statutory rape, even if one person is under 17 years old. They did that for exactly the types of situations you describe. But not everywhere has made that change yet. New York has, however. See post #7 - it says someone who is 21 or older having sex with someone under 17.

Thanks for the clarification there. So, a 21 year old supermodel piano teacher is a rapist when I get lucky a day before my 17th birthday. Wow.

Sure. They pick a place to draw lines. I'm sure there's room to quibble about where exactly the lines are drawn.And, in your example, you wouldn't report this to the police so nothing would ever happen.

Exactly. And, let's be clear...this girl is a month removed from being 15 years old...and LT is over 50 years old.Pretty slimy/scummy to be defending this.

 

[Stealthycat]

another view of this .......... if I'm reading it right, the girl was a runaway and working with a pimp as a prostitute.

haven't we all grilled Big Ben over and over than instead of going to college bars to pick up chicks to just get a hooker or an escort service?

isn't this what L.T. did?

and c'mon, a 16 year old can look 22 in today's work, and nobody checks ID when you pay a few hundred bucks for an hour of fun

just a different view - and that doesn't make it right, but IMO it aint rape like Ben did

 

[B-Deep]

another view of this .......... if I'm reading it right, the girl was a runaway and working with a pimp as a prostitute.haven't we all grilled Big Ben over and over than instead of going to college bars to pick up chicks to just get a hooker or an escort service?isn't this what L.T. did? and c'mon, a 16 year old can look 22 in today's work, and nobody checks ID when you pay a few hundred bucks for an hour of funjust a different view - and that doesn't make it right, but IMO it aint rape like Ben did

she says it was, she says she said no and he assualted her

 

[Koya]

another view of this .......... if I'm reading it right, the girl was a runaway and working with a pimp as a prostitute.haven't we all grilled Big Ben over and over than instead of going to college bars to pick up chicks to just get a hooker or an escort service?isn't this what L.T. did? and c'mon, a 16 year old can look 22 in today's work, and nobody checks ID when you pay a few hundred bucks for an hour of funjust a different view - and that doesn't make it right, but IMO it aint rape like Ben did

she says it was, she says she said no and he assualted her

Huh? Where does it say this? I read in the posted articles that she was hit by her pimp, not by LT.

 

[B-Deep]

another view of this .......... if I'm reading it right, the girl was a runaway and working with a pimp as a prostitute.haven't we all grilled Big Ben over and over than instead of going to college bars to pick up chicks to just get a hooker or an escort service?isn't this what L.T. did? and c'mon, a 16 year old can look 22 in today's work, and nobody checks ID when you pay a few hundred bucks for an hour of funjust a different view - and that doesn't make it right, but IMO it aint rape like Ben did

she says it was, she says she said no and he assualted her

Huh? Where does it say this? I read in the posted articles that she was hit by her pimp, not by LT.

sexually assaulted her, i should have been clear on that

 

[Koya]

another view of this .......... if I'm reading it right, the girl was a runaway and working with a pimp as a prostitute.haven't we all grilled Big Ben over and over than instead of going to college bars to pick up chicks to just get a hooker or an escort service?isn't this what L.T. did? and c'mon, a 16 year old can look 22 in today's work, and nobody checks ID when you pay a few hundred bucks for an hour of funjust a different view - and that doesn't make it right, but IMO it aint rape like Ben did

she says it was, she says she said no and he assualted her

Huh? Where does it say this? I read in the posted articles that she was hit by her pimp, not by LT.

sexually assaulted her, i should have been clear on that

I did not read that she ever said no. Now, that doesnt clear LT of sex with a minor (if indeed that happened, and signs would point to yes), but again, at least in my book, if not the eyes of the law, there is a big difference between bedding a hooker you think is of age and purposefully having sex with a minor and worse yet, that and actual physical rape / abuse of said minor.

 

[B-Deep]

another view of this .......... if I'm reading it right, the girl was a runaway and working with a pimp as a prostitute.haven't we all grilled Big Ben over and over than instead of going to college bars to pick up chicks to just get a hooker or an escort service?isn't this what L.T. did? and c'mon, a 16 year old can look 22 in today's work, and nobody checks ID when you pay a few hundred bucks for an hour of funjust a different view - and that doesn't make it right, but IMO it aint rape like Ben did

she says it was, she says she said no and he assualted her

Huh? Where does it say this? I read in the posted articles that she was hit by her pimp, not by LT.

sexually assaulted her, i should have been clear on that

I did not read that she ever said no. Now, that doesnt clear LT of sex with a minor (if indeed that happened, and signs would point to yes), but again, at least in my book, if not the eyes of the law, there is a big difference between bedding a hooker you think is of age and purposefully having sex with a minor and worse yet, that and actual physical rape / abuse of said minor.

here is what ESPN saysolice said Davis drove the girl, who had been staying with him in the Bronx for a few weeks, to the Holiday Inn Suffern, in Montebello, and told her she had to have sex with Taylor. She said she refused, Taylor sexually assaulted her, then he paid her $300, which she gave to Davis, police said.Davis "struck the young girl with his fist, kicked her and brought her to the Holiday Inn against her will," NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said.On the way back from Suffern, the girl sent text messages to her uncle spelling out what had happened, Browne said. The uncle then went to the NYPD, he said.

 

[B-Deep]

i also think some people assume she has been working for this guy, and maybe she has. BUT, she just ran away in march, so for all we know this is the first time he made her work. We just don't have those facts.

 

[Limp Ditka]

yeahwhen a young looking hooker with a bloody lip comes in the room, there's no reason to rethink what you are about to do

I usually pay a little extra for this service.

 

[jackdubl]

i also think some people assume she has been working for this guy, and maybe she has. BUT, she just ran away in march, so for all we know this is the first time he made her work. We just don't have those facts.

The way the initial facts came out, I assumed this was either her first time or one of the first few times. Sounding more like the first and only time, and she doesn't sound very willing. LT is once again in trouble not only because he broke the law, but he once again went the cheap, low class route, this time by calling some street pimp to bring him an alley walker. Like I said before, if he was willing to spend $3000 instead of $300 then he wouldn't get caught up in other people's street criminal activity, since that is the trail that led back to him. Doesn't bode well for his character if the girl had noticeable marks on her when she arrived, either. Story said she was beaten before the encounter, not after. I mean, you call for a prostitute and a beat up girl who looks like she could be fifteen shows up, and you go ahead. Not good.