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Lunatic Family vs Cops at Walmart :shock: (1 Viewer)

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Officer Pete Malloy

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COTTONWOOD, AZ (KPHO/KTVK) - Video from the dashboard camera of a Cottonwood Police Department cruiser showed a close-knit Idaho family that appeared nearly invulnerable to stun guns, police batons and fists during a melee in a Walmart parking lot March 21 in which one person was killed and one officer wounded by a gunshot.Cottonwood Police Chief Jody Fanning showed the video during a news conference Friday morning and said no matter what tactics officers used, nothing appeared to deter the family of eight. The dash-cam was the only one of three that was operational that night, Fanning said.

Four officers arrived at the Walmart after employees called about one of the Boise, ID, family members pushing an employee to the ground outside one of the store's bathrooms.

The family had gathered outside their older model Chevrolet Suburban when officers arrived. The confrontation started when one of the officers said they would split up the family to talk with them about what happened inside the store, Fanning said.

But the father, 55-year-old Peter Gaver, and one of his sons stepped in and told police they wouldn't allow them to separate the family, Fanning said. Another officer approached the mother, 52-year-old Ruth Gaver, and her 11-year-old daughter when one of the brothers ran in between them.

Police Sgt. Jeremy Daniels grabbed the man and the melee was on, Fanning said.

The family utilized tactics that had to be "taught," Fanning said. For instance, they knew that punching officers on the body was futile because of their protective vests. Instead, the fought

officers by grabbing at their eyes, ears and mouths and pulling hard.

They also had been taught to roll after they were shot with stun guns in order to break the wires and stop the shock, and to appear to give up by putting their hands in the air in order to get close to attack again. The family refused orders to "get on the ground" and eventually overpowered

Daniels. Two of the suspects, including Enoch Graver, battled the officer for his gun, which went off and wounded him in the leg.

Four more officers arrived and Enoch Graver, 21, was shot to death and his 18-year-old brother David Graver was shot in the abdomen.

Even with eight officers on the scene, nothing the officers tried appeared to stop the family, including the use of stun guns, pepper spray and police batons. In almost every instance, the suspects continued to fight the officers. Fanning said to four people to get one of the brothers in handcuffs and two officers to get the remaining male suspects in cuffs.

A Walmart loss prevention employee, whom Cottonwood police knew, was also key in preventing more harm being done to family members or the original four officers on the scene, Fanning

said. The employee fought to protect the officers throughout the brawl.

Fanning said he was not only proud of his officers and the Walmart employee fortheir roles, but of the civilians who came to the aid of Daniels.

The family included the father and sons Jeremiah, 29; Nathaniel, 27; David, Enoch; a 15-year-old boy; mother Ruth Gaver, 52; and an 11-year-old girl.

All were living out of the Chevrolet Suburban and were members of a traveling band called Matthew 24 Now, a reference to a Bible verse dealing with the end of times. The band's Facebook page is rife with Biblical references.

Seven other Cottonwood police officers suffered cuts and bruises.

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Link to video http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6e3_1428698048 (warning: people get shot)

 
Wow, I've never seen anything like that. That is just crazy. I would have thought more officers would have shown up in the amount of time that the fight lasted.

 
Kevrunner said:
Wow, I've never seen anything like that. That is just crazy. I would have thought more officers would have shown up in the amount of time that the fight lasted.
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Cottonwood isnt a big town. (Believe around 10k) Police force isn't large. It's a small town police's worst nightmare.

First I had even heard of this. Truly disgusting. Kudos to how they handled this scum. I don't know how these guys do what they do.

I know a couple Walmarts near me in the Pnoenix area are going away from 24 hours open. This Cottonwood Walmart may not be far behind. Between violence and shoplifting, I don't see the benefits of 24 hours personally.

 
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Coulda used some NYPD there on the scene. They'd have shot every one of these morons, and for once actually been justified in doing so. At what point did it become ok to assault a bunch of cops?

Weird world.

 
Yeah, thinning the herd comes to mind...

ETA: It was late, a few glasses in. Not that I needed an excuse for being a dumb ###.

 
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Otis said:
Coulda used some NYPD there on the scene. They'd have shot every one of these morons, and for once actually been justified in doing so. At what point did it become ok to assault a bunch of cops?

Weird world.
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When the cops became gestapo.

skycriesmary said:
Yeah, thinning the heard comes to mind...
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Is this the seen and the heard?

Or the scene and the herd?

Nevermind, you've got some Nick Cave character giving everybody the bird. Must be counter-cultural sense being spewn.

 
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All were living out of the Chevrolet Suburban and were members of a traveling band called Matthew 24 Now, a reference to a Bible verse dealing with the end of times. The band's Facebook page is rife with Biblical references.
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Last name Lombardi?

 
The worst part was the screaming women. I would have shot them first so the men folk can focus on fighting.

 
A family which fights the police force together, stays together. Well, unless they end up in different prisons. No too many families have received the proper training to do this. Let this serve as a public service announcement.

 
Anyone else notice the family name in the story is Gaver, except when they listed the name of the son who was killed that it was Graver? Oops?

 
3:00-3:15 on the video is where the cop gets shot in the leg during a scuffle and another cop walks over and caps the kid.

That is some of the craziest #### I've seen online in a while.

Those cops need some serious Use of Force training. That looked like a bunch of old fat guys off the couch trying to wrangle those kids.

I'm guessing that was the Wal-Mart Loss Prevention guy in plainclothes playing patty cake with one of the sons?

Thank god this wasn't a black family.

Disturbing.

 
When I imagine a Walmart parking lot in a place like Cottonwood, AZ, this is more or less what I imagine.

 
Now we swing to the other end of the spectrum. I don't see this incident being any better for the police. They waited too long to escalate the use of deadly force. Even after the first shot was fired, it didn't stop the brawl. I would have supported the police if the shot ever member of the family. (except the women and the horse)

 
Would have been justified to shoot more than one. That one officer was down and in real danger for an extended time there.

 
So I hate to be that guy, but. . . .

It just seems like the first two police officers to come on the scene (i.e., the driver of the dash-cam car), made everything worse as soon as they showed up.

When they showed up, the cops on the scene were talking to the Crazy Family. It was heated, sure, but he was handling it. Then the yahoos jumped out of the car and decided to "take control" and things went from zero to insane in less than ten seconds.

I'm not excusing crazy family. But it seems like the police arriving at the scene was like throwing a grenade into a fire.

 
Sweet J said:
So I hate to be that guy, but. . . .

It just seems like the first two police officers to come on the scene (i.e., the driver of the dash-cam car), made everything worse as soon as they showed up.

When they showed up, the cops on the scene were talking to the Crazy Family. It was heated, sure, but he was handling it. Then the yahoos jumped out of the car and decided to "take control" and things went from zero to insane in less than ten seconds.

I'm not excusing crazy family. But it seems like the police arriving at the scene was like throwing a grenade into a fire.
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Don't be that guy
 
Sweet J said:
So I hate to be that guy, but. . . .

It just seems like the first two police officers to come on the scene (i.e., the driver of the dash-cam car), made everything worse as soon as they showed up.

When they showed up, the cops on the scene were talking to the Crazy Family. It was heated, sure, but he was handling it. Then the yahoos jumped out of the car and decided to "take control" and things went from zero to insane in less than ten seconds.

I'm not excusing crazy family. But it seems like the police arriving at the scene was like throwing a grenade into a fire.
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The ending was inevitable. The family was not cooperating. How else would it end?

 
Gianni Verscotchie said:
Sweet J said:
So I hate to be that guy, but. . . .

It just seems like the first two police officers to come on the scene (i.e., the driver of the dash-cam car), made everything worse as soon as they showed up.

When they showed up, the cops on the scene were talking to the Crazy Family. It was heated, sure, but he was handling it. Then the yahoos jumped out of the car and decided to "take control" and things went from zero to insane in less than ten seconds.

I'm not excusing crazy family. But it seems like the police arriving at the scene was like throwing a grenade into a fire.
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The ending was inevitable. The family was not cooperating. How else would it end?
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We don't really get a chance to see whether or not the family would cooperate. They weren't cooperating when the cops showed up, certainly. But the cops, by acting like they did, escalated a situation that was already about to blow. What would have happened if the police that showed up sat back for a second and let it play out a little bit, and see if the cop on the scene could get a handle on things?

We won't ever know, because they didn't do it.

Sure, once the family started resisting/fighting, the police had to do what they had to do. But . . . could it have been avoided? Would better cops have made better decisions a had a better result than a full-on brawl? I'd think probably.

 
Sweet J said:
Gianni Verscotchie said:
Sweet J said:
So I hate to be that guy, but. . . .

It just seems like the first two police officers to come on the scene (i.e., the driver of the dash-cam car), made everything worse as soon as they showed up.

When they showed up, the cops on the scene were talking to the Crazy Family. It was heated, sure, but he was handling it. Then the yahoos jumped out of the car and decided to "take control" and things went from zero to insane in less than ten seconds.

I'm not excusing crazy family. But it seems like the police arriving at the scene was like throwing a grenade into a fire.
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The ending was inevitable. The family was not cooperating. How else would it end?
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We don't really get a chance to see whether or not the family would cooperate. They weren't cooperating when the cops showed up, certainly. But the cops, by acting like they did, escalated a situation that was already about to blow. What would have happened if the police that showed up sat back for a second and let it play out a little bit, and see if the cop on the scene could get a handle on things?

We won't ever know, because they didn't do it.

Sure, once the family started resisting/fighting, the police had to do what they had to do. But . . . could it have been avoided? Would better cops have made better decisions a had a better result than a full-on brawl? I'd think probably.
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When the backups arrived, the officer who was already on scene told them he needed the family split up. When they intervened to split the family up, the brawl started. Exactly how long should they have to wait before stepping in? He had already been there long enough for multiple additional units to respond. Seems to me the family wasn't cooperating one way or the other.

 
Frank Drebin said:
Sweet J said:
Gianni Verscotchie said:
Sweet J said:
So I hate to be that guy, but. . . .

It just seems like the first two police officers to come on the scene (i.e., the driver of the dash-cam car), made everything worse as soon as they showed up.

When they showed up, the cops on the scene were talking to the Crazy Family. It was heated, sure, but he was handling it. Then the yahoos jumped out of the car and decided to "take control" and things went from zero to insane in less than ten seconds.

I'm not excusing crazy family. But it seems like the police arriving at the scene was like throwing a grenade into a fire.
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The ending was inevitable. The family was not cooperating. How else would it end?
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We don't really get a chance to see whether or not the family would cooperate. They weren't cooperating when the cops showed up, certainly. But the cops, by acting like they did, escalated a situation that was already about to blow. What would have happened if the police that showed up sat back for a second and let it play out a little bit, and see if the cop on the scene could get a handle on things?

We won't ever know, because they didn't do it.

Sure, once the family started resisting/fighting, the police had to do what they had to do. But . . . could it have been avoided? Would better cops have made better decisions a had a better result than a full-on brawl? I'd think probably.
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When the backups arrived, the officer who was already on scene told them he needed the family split up. When they intervened to split the family up, the brawl started. Exactly how long should they have to wait before stepping in? He had already been there long enough for multiple additional units to respond. Seems to me the family wasn't cooperating one way or the other.
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I have no doubt that I could be wrong. Just didn't seem like the police did themselves any favors.

 
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