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Yea probably is, They could have just drafted Kelly, instead of waiting for him to have knee surgery to want him
FYI for the OP - According to the Gamebook, Kelly did not play.With rumors of Rudi being traded for a WR this week, and both not playing last night.....
Agreed. All signs point to bust, yet our local rookie experts haven't been swayed one bit. Strange.
Why would the Redskins trade for Rudi? At best he'd be the third back on their depth chart.FYI for the OP - According to the Gamebook, Kelly did not play.With rumors of Rudi being traded for a WR this week, and both not playing last night.....
All of the news was good until his knee flared up.
Fell in the draft, hamstring tweak, knee surgery, supposed to play, doesn't play. Guy has a great attitude and head on his shoulders, but that doesn't count for much when your body won't let you on the field. I wonder, the Skins took Devin Thomas first. Is it possible they never planned to take Kelly, but did so only because he was still there later in the 2nd?What signs? An injury?
Yep, he was way ahead of Thomas. I think he might have been an opening day starter, moving ARE back to the slot where he belongs, if he hadnt gotten hurt. Getting hurt in your first camp is a setback, but not a sign of a bust. Brandon Marshall was tearing up in his rookie TC before tweaking his knee, which delayed his impact until the second half of the season. Kelly is a strong buy in dynasty leagues right now.
Do you think there's any reason to believe that his knees are a chronic condition?That's the only potential pitfall that worries me with Kelly.Yep, he was way ahead of Thomas. I think he might have been an opening day starter, moving ARE back to the slot where he belongs, if he hadnt gotten hurt. Getting hurt in your first camp is a setback, but not a sign of a bust. Brandon Marshall was tearing up in his rookie TC before tweaking his knee, which delayed his impact until the second half of the season. Kelly is a strong buy in dynasty leagues right now.
It's certainly not encouraging that he didn't go last night because of knee soreness, but Mike Walker was put on IR after a good camp last year after problems with his surgically repaired knee, and he still seems to be prominent in the Jags plans.EBF said:Do you think there's any reason to believe that his knees are a chronic condition?That's the only potential pitfall that worries me with Kelly.Sigmund Bloom said:EBF said:Yep, he was way ahead of Thomas. I think he might have been an opening day starter, moving ARE back to the slot where he belongs, if he hadnt gotten hurt. Getting hurt in your first camp is a setback, but not a sign of a bust. Brandon Marshall was tearing up in his rookie TC before tweaking his knee, which delayed his impact until the second half of the season. Kelly is a strong buy in dynasty leagues right now.
With that Saint icon as your avatar you should be familiar with one Robert Meachem who was having very similar news last year and has very different news this year.
I hated that pick and still don't feel like we needed him.As for Kelly:
I'd like to see where Zorn said that, but IR so quickly would be worrisome, no?Edit: Looks like it came from today's press conference:
I tried to warn you before you drafted him in 2 HyperActive leagues. The "bone on bone" discussion should have been enough.EBF said:
It's much too early to declare a rookie a bust, especially when he hasn't played or practiced much.
Given the fact that a lot of teams took him off their draft board because of the knee issue, yes, he has bust written all over him.
Agree. He just went undrafted in rookie/free agent draft I was in. I question whether he'll ever be healthy.
It's certainly not encouraging that he didn't go last night because of knee soreness, but Mike Walker was put on IR after a good camp last year after problems with his surgically repaired knee, and he still seems to be prominent in the Jags plans.EBF said:Do you think there's any reason to believe that his knees are a chronic condition?That's the only potential pitfall that worries me with Kelly.Sigmund Bloom said:EBF said:
This unfortunately looks like a lost season for Kelly given his lost time during camp. I still think he's got a future, but for our purposes this year this is why God made taxi squads and IR spots on our rosters.
Given the fact that his condition is bone on bone and chronic, why do you think he still got a future? While he may still come through this to have a career, it doesn't look that promising to me.It's certainly not encouraging that he didn't go last night because of knee soreness, but Mike Walker was put on IR after a good camp last year after problems with his surgically repaired knee, and he still seems to be prominent in the Jags plans.EBF said:Do you think there's any reason to believe that his knees are a chronic condition?That's the only potential pitfall that worries me with Kelly.Sigmund Bloom said:EBF said:Yep, he was way ahead of Thomas. I think he might have been an opening day starter, moving ARE back to the slot where he belongs, if he hadnt gotten hurt. Getting hurt in your first camp is a setback, but not a sign of a bust. Brandon Marshall was tearing up in his rookie TC before tweaking his knee, which delayed his impact until the second half of the season. Kelly is a strong buy in dynasty leagues right now.
This unfortunately looks like a lost season for Kelly given his lost time during camp. I still think he's got a future, but for our purposes this year this is why God made taxi squads and IR spots on our rosters.
He went in the 2nd round - it was all speculation that teams took him off their board. He will be fine.
Given the fact that his condition is bone on bone and chronic, why do you think he still got a future? While he may still come through this to have a career, it doesn't look that promising to me.It's certainly not encouraging that he didn't go last night because of knee soreness, but Mike Walker was put on IR after a good camp last year after problems with his surgically repaired knee, and he still seems to be prominent in the Jags plans.EBF said:Do you think there's any reason to believe that his knees are a chronic condition?That's the only potential pitfall that worries me with Kelly.Sigmund Bloom said:EBF said:Yep, he was way ahead of Thomas. I think he might have been an opening day starter, moving ARE back to the slot where he belongs, if he hadnt gotten hurt. Getting hurt in your first camp is a setback, but not a sign of a bust. Brandon Marshall was tearing up in his rookie TC before tweaking his knee, which delayed his impact until the second half of the season. Kelly is a strong buy in dynasty leagues right now.
This unfortunately looks like a lost season for Kelly given his lost time during camp. I still think he's got a future, but for our purposes this year this is why God made taxi squads and IR spots on our rosters.
I know Bloom loves him and i respect his opinion, but i've found that Bloom almost completely ignores character/injury concerns. I personally think those are things that can't be ignored when evaluating guys for dynasty, but some people disagree and don't think they are important.
Call it what you want, and say he will be fine if you want, but red flags were everywhere and some of us took notice of it. Three things keep me away from players, 1) chronic anything injury wise, 2) chronic off the field issues, and 3) visible head case. Yes, some find a way to help fantasy teams, but unless I get them dirt cheap, I'll say no thanks and let you have at it.
Well, people said that Frank Gore had bone-on-bone knee issues, yet he's done just fine.
While that is true to some extent, some are more risky than others if you look at the warning signals. The key is whether you got him cheap or not. You took him at 1.13 in HAL1, before Sweed, DeSean Jackson, Torain, Avery, Keller, Royal, Slaton, and Hightower. In HA3 you took him at 9.07 in a startup dynasty league, which is very high. Maybe pay less attention to BMI and more to the word "Chronic". All of us make bad draft picks and trades, and I'm front and center with it as well. I'm not picking on you specifically with this, only to say that ignoring warning signals on players can cost all of us sometimes.
And in two or three years, almost all of the guys you listed will be irrelevant.
I paid attention to an NFL team picking him in the 2nd round. Players with chronic knee injuries don't get picked that high.
Every player has warning signals. It's easy to sit here after the fact that he's gotten hurt and say, "See, you should've known better." Thing is, you don't know until you know. Coming out of college his injuries didn't seem any more severe than those of guys like McGahee, Boldin, or Gore. What you're not acknowledging is the possibility that he could've stayed healthy and made an immediate impact. That possibility was worth the price of a relatively cheap pick. I wasn't passing on any obvious franchise players when I took Kelly. Moreover, I already had a loaded team in HA1 and was gambling on upside instead of crossing my fingers for an 800 yard WR.
Ah, the "bone-on-bone" boogeyman. It's always a convenient crutch when you have nothing else to argue. Where are you getting this from, Johnny? He injured he knee cartilage in the January 2007 Fiesta Bowl, played all last season without problems, and missed this year's bowl game because of a deep thigh bruise rather than a knee problem. He had his knee cleaned out this year. That's his history, and from this you get "bone-on-bone" and that his career is done? Is Peyton done too?Given the fact that his condition is bone on bone and chronic, why do you think he still got a future? While he may still come through this to have a career, it doesn't look that promising to me.It's certainly not encouraging that he didn't go last night because of knee soreness, but Mike Walker was put on IR after a good camp last year after problems with his surgically repaired knee, and he still seems to be prominent in the Jags plans.Do you think there's any reason to believe that his knees are a chronic condition?That's the only potential pitfall that worries me with Kelly.
You can't cut what you refuse to draft.Ah, the "bone-on-bone" boogeyman. It's always a convenient crutch when you have nothing else to argue. Where are you getting this from, Johnny? He injured he knee cartilage in the January 2007 Fiesta Bowl, played all last season without problems, and missed this year's bowl game because of a deep thigh bruise rather than a knee problem. He had his knee cleaned out this year. That's his history, and from this you get "bone-on-bone" and that his career is done? Is Peyton done too?Given the fact that his condition is bone on bone and chronic, why do you think he still got a future? While he may still come through this to have a career, it doesn't look that promising to me.It's certainly not encouraging that he didn't go last night because of knee soreness, but Mike Walker was put on IR after a good camp last year after problems with his surgically repaired knee, and he still seems to be prominent in the Jags plans.Do you think there's any reason to believe that his knees are a chronic condition?That's the only potential pitfall that worries me with Kelly.
I have no idea whether Kelly will turn into anything as a WR, but what I do know is that during the time he was working out with the 'Skins the team like him a lot and he was outshining Devin Thomas. I also know that as a 2nd round pick he'll get every opportunity to redeem his draft position for that team. Rich Tandler, a respected 'Skins reporter/blogger has even predicted that the team will likely not even PUP or IR him because all he's dealing with now is swelling, and they can keep him inactive on game days for the time being to see if he doesn't improve and can't contribute later on in the year.
Cut him at your own risk.
Ah, the "bone-on-bone" boogeyman. It's always a convenient crutch when you have nothing else to argue. Where are you getting this from, Johnny?
He injured he knee cartilage in the January 2007 Fiesta Bowl, played all last season without problems, and missed this year's bowl game because of a deep thigh bruise rather than a knee problem. He had his knee cleaned out this year. That's his history, and from this you get "bone-on-bone" and that his career is done? Is Peyton done too?
I have no idea whether Kelly will turn into anything as a WR, but what I do know is that during the time he was working out with the 'Skins the team like him a lot and he was outshining Devin Thomas. I also know that as a 2nd round pick he'll get every opportunity to redeem his draft position for that team. Rich Tandler, a respected 'Skins reporter/blogger has even predicted that the team will likely not even PUP or IR him because all he's dealing with now is swelling, and they can keep him inactive on game days for the time being to see if he doesn't improve and can't contribute later on in the year.
Cut him at your own risk.
And this:is speculation as well. For all anyone knows, all it means is that they figured that Devin Thomas was above Malcolm Kelly on most teams' draft boards, and thus had to draft him first. Or maybe they liked both but liked Thomas more. Either way, we already knew Thomas was the higher-rated prospect. Kelly was a 2nd rounder going into the draft and he got drafted in the 2nd round. He didn't fall any further from his expected draft slot than Thomas did. I think if you're looking to prove drastic medical problems based on the difference between actual and expected draft slot, you need a bigger gap than Kelly's.
since this is a "fact", how many teams took him off their board?are we talking about 2? 20??? any idea?????
I believe 14 did
Hey, no one called me up to say, "Chuck, we're taking Kelly off our board". I only repeated what Mayock said.Edited: It was Mayock, not Shefter who said it.
Most of what I heard was "arthritic knee", not bone on bone, but arthritis is based on wearing out cartilage, so it could eventually lead to bone on bone. If I see Kelly out there and he doesn't have his normal ups, then I'll be worried...
He's also the only big WR target, and part of the reason that the team is going to use the shotgun more is that Campbell was having trouble seeing the smurfs on 3-step drops. (I'd also expect Fred Davis to be active this week.)
Not to mention the Giants D-line/LB's all over him within 2 seconds...Here's to a much improved week 2!
