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Black Ice Skeptic
Sounds like Clomid. I use this about a week after a cycle to kick-start my natural test.

Sounds like Clomid. I use this about a week after a cycle to kick-start my natural test.
Griffey?Him and Griffey.He's the elephant in the room at this point.Why is it taking so long for Pujols to get caught??
Mr. Coffee was on caffeine.Joe D = STILL the greatest right-handed hitter ever.
Because Bonds was taking "the clear". It didn't show up on steriod tests, Marion Jones was tested under the IOC rules which are 10x more stringent then MLB is, and she never tested positive, yet she admitted that she used. Plus, there is some speculation that Bonds used HGH, which MLB doesn't test for. There is leaked Grand Jury testimony from Barry Bonds where he admitted to using "the cream" and "the clear".Funny, I don't recall Barry getting suspended for steroids... Or even testing positive for that matter...=Smackdown= said:Manny being Barry?Wrigley said:My teams name: Manny being MannyI need to change it nowpantagrapher said:Team name of the guy who has Manny in my league: Juiced UpYankee23Fan said:Sucks. I know I'm going to be emailing the Manny owner in my league and letting him know that I feel bad for him...
I'm not a Red Sox fan, but he showed power in Minnesota. He hit 20 HR and slugged an even .500 in 120-ish games in 2002, and he showed power in the minors. He was greatly overmatched when he was called up, but 2001-2002 were not terrible years.The power numbers did jump with the Red Sox, but I don't know if one can say if it's just his natural progression, better hitting coaches, or juice.(not to mention the fact that he hit like a girl scout in Minnesota before signing with Boston)
http://www.thebrushback.com/pujols_full.htm(Heads up before anyone takes this seriously. If you're not familiar with thebrushback.com it's like the onion for sports)Why is it taking so long for Pujols to get caught??
Pujols Apparently Missed Memo That Steroids Are Illegal
ST LOUIS--Albert Pujols has hit 19 home runs in only 37 games this season, surpassing the major league record by 3 games. He also has a staggering 48 runs batted in. Clearly the juiced-up Pujols missed the memo that steroids are now illegal.
“Hello? Steroids were outlawed last year, Al. Get with the program,” said teammate Jim Edmonds. “I can’t believe the nerve this guy has. I mean, did he really miss the memo? Has he not been paying attention the past couple years? What an #######. Actually, don't tell him I said that. He'll probably fly into a rage and try to rip my head off. You know how those people get. ”
Pujols is on pace to hit 82 home runs, twice as many as he hit last year, and 9 more than the record set by Barry Bonds in 2001. If he continues to juice up, he could someday break the career home run record.
“What we’re seeing is the devaluing of our sacred hitting records,” said HBO’s Bob Costas. “Guys like Pujols know they can flout the rules with impunity because nobody is going to challenge them. Major League Baseball is just going to look the other way. And don’t think Tony LaRussa is going to do anything. This guy presided over the careers of Mark McGwire and Jose Canseco. He practically invented steroids.”
Pujols’ peers are watching his feats with a mixture of jealousy and awe. Many of them are wondering how he is circumventing the new testing policy and why the league isn’t stepping in to do something about it.
“It’s pretty alarming that he’s able to do this while baseball is investigating Barry Bonds for the same thing,” said Astros slugger Lance Berkman. “Albert is supposed to be a role model in St Louis, not some kind of drug cheater. I think we should all tell him that if he agrees to stop doing steroids right this second we’ll forget all this happened. And if he doesn’t admit to it he should be suspended indefinitely. Either way, I’m winning the home run title this year.”
Don’t expect Pujols to come clean about his steroid use anytime soon. The 26-year-old has vehemently denied any wrongdoing and plans to continue hitting home runs at his record pace. He also wants to remind critics that he has already passed a steroid test this season.
“I’ve been tested. I’m subject to the same stringent guidelines as anyone else,” Pujols said to reporters after hitting his 19th home run Sunday. “Furthermore, I’m one of the best hitters in the game. I don’t need steroids to give me an edge. If I was on them, don’t you think it would show up in the tests? Okay, good point, human growth hormone doesn’t show up on those tests. Damn. Maybe I am on steroids.”
Despite the overwhelming evidence, baseball has no intention of investigating Pujols for steroid use. Instead, it will look the other way and hope that he doesn’t break the single season home run record.
“Right now there isn’t sufficient reason to investigate Albert for steroids use,” said Commissioner Bud Selig. “He’s just hitting a lot of home runs. I’m sorry. If he breaks the home run record then so be it. I’d rather see a juiced-up Albert Pujols have the record than a juiced up Barry Bonds anyway. At least a few people like Albert Pujols.”
Pujos may be under a cloud suspicion in the baseball word, but in St Louis the fans are still supporting him.
“I don’t care if Albert is on steroids. I still support him,” said 62-year-old season ticket holder Carol Hicks. “So he decided to experiment with performance enhancing drugs. So what? A lot of players have. I just hope that he has the good sense to use a masking agent if necessary. One thing we’ve learned from the steroid era is that if you’ve never tested positive, you can just deny everything. And if you have tested positive, you can deny everything anyway.”
I dont think it was all juice but I think it certainly helped. Boston picked Ortiz off the scrap heap so while he may have shown some power in the minors he wasnt considered a potential star.I'm not a Red Sox fan, but he showed power in Minnesota. He hit 20 HR and slugged an even .500 in 120-ish games in 2002, and he showed power in the minors. He was greatly overmatched when he was called up, but 2001-2002 were not terrible years.The power numbers did jump with the Red Sox, but I don't know if one can say if it's just his natural progression, better hitting coaches, or juice.(not to mention the fact that he hit like a girl scout in Minnesota before signing with Boston)![]()
I'm a Dodger fan and would love to believe Manny's story, but I've got the opposite reaction. If a doctor wrongly prescribed me a banned substance and it's going to cost me $8M bucks and look like a cheater, then I'm pulling out all the stops to prove my story's right.Wow, I'm pretty sure that if I got suspended because I was taking something for my ED, I wouldn't appeal the suspension or give much info out either. And I'd also kill any "friend" that leaked that info out there.
he probably got ED from doing all the roids anyways.Wow, I'm pretty sure that if I got suspended because I was taking something for my ED, I wouldn't appeal the suspension or give much info out either. And I'd also kill any "friend" that leaked that info out there.
I'd probably insist it was a lie and insist i took steroids"the Homerun numbers may be enhanced, but the little pinch hitter is all natural"Wow, I'm pretty sure that if I got suspended because I was taking something for my ED, I wouldn't appeal the suspension or give much info out either. And I'd also kill any "friend" that leaked that info out there.
OK, as Finless said there are a lot of assumptions going on here, so I will continue!Lets just say for a moment that Manny really did need that drug for a legitimate medical reason. (I know huge assumption, but go with it)1) Wouldn't it be partially the responsibility of the Dr. to determine if any medication that you are giving a professional athlete was not on the list of drugs that he wasn't supposed to take? They are supposed to determine if it conflicts with another drug. The list can't be that huge!2) If the Dr. did not check to see if the drug was OK, wouldn't it also be part of the agent's job to see if all was OK? (I know that the player should also, but part of why you hire someone and pay them that kind of $$ is to make sure that everything is OK!) I bet that if he asked his agent (Boras? I may be wrong) to see if the drug was OK, his agent would do so!If all that is true, especially #1, would Manny have a case for suing his Doctor for causing him to be suspended and losing that $$? Also wouldn't you think that if it really was a simple medical reason, that he would be trying to fight it? Or at least be telling us why he was taking it and trying to make MLB look like a monster for suspending him for trying to be healthy?This most likely leads us to the answer that Manny knew what he was getting into and most likely he is doing it as a post-roids system restart like every other guy!The Man With No Name said:Gammons said it was from some prescription that he got from a doctor for some medical issue that the doctor told him it would be fine to take.
I'm a Dodger fan and would love to believe Manny's story, but I've got the opposite reaction. If a doctor wrongly prescribed me a banned substance and it's going to cost me $8M bucks and look like a cheater, then I'm pulling out all the stops to prove my story's right.Wow, I'm pretty sure that if I got suspended because I was taking something for my ED, I wouldn't appeal the suspension or give much info out either. And I'd also kill any "friend" that leaked that info out there.
OK, as Finless said there are a lot of assumptions going on here, so I will continue!Lets just say for a moment that Manny really did need that drug for a legitimate medical reason. (I know huge assumption, but go with it)1) Wouldn't it be partially the responsibility of the Dr. to determine if any medication that you are giving a professional athlete was not on the list of drugs that he wasn't supposed to take? They are supposed to determine if it conflicts with another drug. The list can't be that huge!2) If the Dr. did not check to see if the drug was OK, wouldn't it also be part of the agent's job to see if all was OK? (I know that the player should also, but part of why you hire someone and pay them that kind of $$ is to make sure that everything is OK!) I bet that if he asked his agent (Boras? I may be wrong) to see if the drug was OK, his agent would do so!If all that is true, especially #1, would Manny have a case for suing his Doctor for causing him to be suspended and losing that $$?The Man With No Name said:Gammons said it was from some prescription that he got from a doctor for some medical issue that the doctor told him it would be fine to take.
Well he cycled off the 'roids, probably in no small part in order to pass the test, afterwards took this medicine as well to up his testosterone levels. Maybe he didn't start his whole "cycle off" process long enough before the test, and there was still this fertility drug in his system?So I hear the test was taken in Spring Training. This hcg is apparently used after a roid cycle. Why did he not test positive for roids/ped then? What am I missing?
Manny would test positive on a pregnancy test right now.![]()
That's a fantastic idea. While we're at it, maybe we should think about applying this logic to dealing with criminals.Adebisi said:pollardsvision said:Love Manny. Don't care.PED's/steroids don't bother me.Hopefully, if more people keep getting caught, people might lay off Barry Lamar a bit.I've been saying for awhile now that they should just open the floodgates and just let everyone do it.
This is a well thought out position.foo said:And yet Barry has never tested positive...
Manny's statement:Ramirez said in a statement that the suspension resulted from a medication prescribed by a doctor, and not from a steroid. According to a Major League Baseball official with direct knowledge of the testing process, Ramirez took Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), a women's fertility drug that can be taken by men after using steroids to jump start the body's natural testosterone production.
hCG from wiki (under Anabolic steroid adjunct section of hCG page):"Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was okay to give me. Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I've taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.
"I want to apologize to Mr. McCourt, Mrs. McCourt, Mr. Torre, my teammates, the Dodger organization, and to the Dodger fans. LA is a special place to me and I know everybody is disappointed. So am I. I'm sorry about this whole situation."
-- Manny Ramirez
In the world of performance enhancing drugs, hCG is increasingly used in combination with various anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) cycles. It is included in some sports' illegal drug lists.
When AAS are put into a male body, the body's natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPGA). It is a common misconception that estrogen will be elevated post cycle. Generally, estrogen is below a normal level after a cycle. High levels of AASs that mimic the body's natural testosterone trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone, causing testicular atrophy.
In males, hCG mimics LH and helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes. As such, hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as endogenous testosterone production. However, if hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary.
HCG is what they test for.Manny would test positive on a pregnancy test right now.![]()
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Where would he put the test stick?HCG is what they test for.Manny would test positive on a pregnancy test right now.![]()
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Moises Alou would just hold it in his hands.Where would he put the test stick?HCG is what they test for.Manny would test positive on a pregnancy test right now.![]()
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Yeah, he didn't use when he was in Bean Town.Pretty sad Manny felt the need to start using 'roids after leaving Boston...obviously trying to show the Sox front office how wrong they were to let him go. Well Manny, looks like they were right.Shame on you.
In a twisted way, Manny is giving the world a good example that you don't need steroids to succeed given all of the amazing things he did in Boston, steroids-free.Who knows, him getting caught at this point may have saved a life.Yeah, he didn't use when he was in Bean Town.Pretty sad Manny felt the need to start using 'roids after leaving Boston...obviously trying to show the Sox front office how wrong they were to let him go. Well Manny, looks like they were right.Shame on you.
What makes you think he was roid free in Boston?In a twisted way, Manny is giving the world a good example that you don't need steroids to succeed given all of the amazing things he did in Boston, steroids-free.Who knows, him getting caught at this point may have saved a life.Yeah, he didn't use when he was in Bean Town.Pretty sad Manny felt the need to start using 'roids after leaving Boston...obviously trying to show the Sox front office how wrong they were to let him go. Well Manny, looks like they were right.Shame on you.
Is your mouth still bleeding?What makes you think he was roid free in Boston?In a twisted way, Manny is giving the world a good example that you don't need steroids to succeed given all of the amazing things he did in Boston, steroids-free.Who knows, him getting caught at this point may have saved a life.Yeah, he didn't use when he was in Bean Town.Pretty sad Manny felt the need to start using 'roids after leaving Boston...obviously trying to show the Sox front office how wrong they were to let him go. Well Manny, looks like they were right.Shame on you.
I must be missing somethingIs your mouth still bleeding?What makes you think he was roid free in Boston?In a twisted way, Manny is giving the world a good example that you don't need steroids to succeed given all of the amazing things he did in Boston, steroids-free.Who knows, him getting caught at this point may have saved a life.Yeah, he didn't use when he was in Bean Town.Pretty sad Manny felt the need to start using 'roids after leaving Boston...obviously trying to show the Sox front office how wrong they were to let him go. Well Manny, looks like they were right.Shame on you.
I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I've taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.
Ghost Rider said:Is your mouth still bleeding?Wrigley said:What makes you think he was roid free in Boston?JetsWillWin said:In a twisted way, Manny is giving the world a good example that you don't need steroids to succeed given all of the amazing things he did in Boston, steroids-free.Who knows, him getting caught at this point may have saved a life.Wrigley said:Yeah, he didn't use when he was in Bean Town.JetsWillWin said:Pretty sad Manny felt the need to start using 'roids after leaving Boston...obviously trying to show the Sox front office how wrong they were to let him go. Well Manny, looks like they were right.Shame on you.
There was a back story to this. For a good bit of time he tried to appeal it based on some other grounds, and then finally realized it was a losing battle. Frankly I'm a bit shocked MLB was able to keep a lid on this for so long given the amount of people involved with the original appeal and test. Makes you think they could indeed cover up a test if they were so inclined.Why do these turds fail to man-up time after time? Is the MLBPA telling them to give the media some BS story? Are they scared of losing their contract? All respect I once had for for Manny is now out the window...what a joke that guy is...yeah! He can hit a ball...good for him...
Thing is, I, and most fans wouldn't really give much of a damn if these jokes would simply come out and say, "I used, so did most of the league. It helped make me rich beyond my wildest dreams, and I'd do it again" This is the truth, but these cheats #####foot around the situation. It's quite sickening...
There was a back story to this. For a good bit of time he tried to appeal it based on some other grounds, and then finally realized it was a losing battle. Frankly I'm a bit shocked MLB was able to keep a lid on this for so long given the amount of people involved with the original appeal and test. Makes you think they could indeed cover up a test if they were so inclined.Why do these turds fail to man-up time after time? Is the MLBPA telling them to give the media some BS story? Are they scared of losing their contract? All respect I once had for for Manny is now out the window...what a joke that guy is...yeah! He can hit a ball...good for him...
Thing is, I, and most fans wouldn't really give much of a damn if these jokes would simply come out and say, "I used, so did most of the league. It helped make me rich beyond my wildest dreams, and I'd do it again" This is the truth, but these cheats #####foot around the situation. It's quite sickening...
Merloni was on the Big Show yesterday, and they actually had Dan Duquette call in who had called Merloni's story "preposterous." I thought some fireworks would fly, but it was a little disappointing.Duquette said that they had outside doctors come in regularly to stress the risks associated with steroids because, while they made it clear that steroids were illegal, against baseball policy, and team policy, they knew that ultimately it was the player's choice whether or not they were going to do it because, as he repeated several times, the players' association would not let them get a testing program.Merloni basically said yes they had outside doctors in all the time to warn about the risks, but then one guy went on a "you shouldn't do it, but we're not stupid enough to think that none of you are doing it, so here are some smart ways to do it/approach it," etc. A little less explosive. He also made it clear this doctor was not officially associated with the team in any way.I've been listening to former Red Sox Lou Merloni this week on radio and tv, and he recalls back in the late 90s the Sox had an independent doctor come in to "warn" the team about using steroids. He remembers it as a guy giving them a 30 second talk of steroids could be bad for you. Then the doctor went on to say which ones weren't so bad, how often you could use them, when to take them, what to use in conjunction with other steroids, what the league would eventually be able to detect, and potentially how not to get caught down the road. He claims it wasn't a "steroids = bad" talk but more of a "how to" session.
what are they putting in his Big Mac?they should test big pappi for McDonalds