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Mario Manningham.......... (1 Viewer)

So do we know Manningham is good to go today? I didn't see an injury thread tagged for him and since he plays at 4 I am curious what we know...

 
Somebody needs to explain WTH is going on here. He was a monster down the stretch last year. Now he's invisible. I don't get it.

 
Here is what I got out of this situation (started watching in the second half)

- REPLACED in 2 WR sets by Cruz ****************************** <- <- <- <-

^ That is an important development

- Cruz targeted 9 times, Nicks 14. Unless you think the Giants, a run first, ball control team, will throw the ball 50 times a game every week, Manningham is NOT a guy to own

- To go off this point a bit, when the Giants where in throw every play mode, Cruz and Nicks were the guys targeted, not Manningham

- I'll leave it up to his owners, but I don't think you can get much from an educated owner at this point, but it's worth a shot I suppose...

 
I'll probably hold for one more week, because I doubt I would get anything decent from him at this point. Otherwise, he's going to the waiver wire if he doesn't perform next week. I really thought I was getting some steals with Manningham and Burleson this year. That definitely backfired on me. Sadly, because of byes I'll have to start one of these guys next week. Ugh.

 
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'solorca said:
I'll probably hold for one more week, because I doubt I would get anything decent from him at this point. Otherwise, he's going to the waiver wire if he doesn't perform next week. I really thought I was getting some steals with Manningham and Burleson this year. That definitely backfired on me. Sadly, because of byes I'll have to start one of these guys next week. Ugh.
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Same here, one or two more weeks. I like Cruz but he's a bonehead sometimes (see his fumble that wasnt ruled a fumble today) so I know Coughlin wont trust him 100% yet. Plus its also possible that they were taking it easy on Manningham being his first game back, next week and the week after should be more telling.

 
Yeah, this is my fault guys. I picked him back up. Don't worry though. I'll be divesting for good after this week. He should rebound nicely then.

 
ff asst

Mario ManninghamWRGiantsOct. 6 – 12:30 pm MDTOffensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride confirmed Thursday that Mario Manningham remains the starting receiver opposite Hakeem Nicks

.Mario ManninghamWRGiantsOct. 6 – 6:36 am MDTFollowing Wednesday’s practice, Mario Manningham said he’s still in his usual starting spot opposite Hakeem Nicks.
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Giants' Kevin Gilbride on Mario Manningham vs. Cardinals: 'His best game by far'Published: Thursday, October 06, 2011, 3:52 PM Updated: Thursday, October 06, 2011, 10:27 PM By Mike Garafolo/The Star-Ledger wide receiver Mario Manningham wasn't demoted in favor of Victor Cruz in Sunday's victory over the Cardinals. "It was his best game, by far," offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said.The Giants' Mario Manningham had only one catch for 10 yards on Sunday against the Arizona Cardinals. It was his worst game since …Hang on.(Does the Jon Stewart finger-to-the-ear thing)It was what? His what game? (Pause) Really?“That was really his best game,” offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said today.Interesting.“He had nothing to show for it production-wise, but he ran a lot of good routes and got himself open,” Gilbride said. “It was just, because of the coverage or what have you, the ball went the other way. But really that was his best game.”Manningham was frustrated during his session with reporters on Wednesday. I had mentioned it seemed he was more agitated by the questions than the subject of the questions, which was that he had supposedly been demoted.And now we get a better understanding why he was irritated: because he didn’t have a bad game and wasn’t demoted.“It was just really seeing some things that ... I thought Victor (Cruz) would do more effectively," Gilbride said. "We’ll always do that. We’ll move people around, we’ll play Manningham in a certain spot, we’ll put Victor in certain spots, we’ll play Hakeem (Nicks) in different things.“It’s really just taking advantage of the ability level of that guy for that particular play.”It’s funny, because this story line wouldn’t have existed if Manning had thrown a few passes Manningham’s way. As I noted in my game review, late in the first half, he was breaking free on a post up the deep middle well inside cornerback A.J. Jefferson, but Manning threw up the right sideline for Cruz.“He was wide open on that one,” Gilbride said, laughing as he repeated: “He was wide open on that one.”And did we mention …?“This was his best game. This was his best game, by far,” Gilbride said. “He was wide open on about four or five shots in the second half of the game, but the reads took the quarterback (elsewhere).”This, of course, is a good problem for Gilbride to have. Cruz has nine catches for 208 yards and a touchdown in his past two games, combined. Finding enough work for Manningham, and making sure he doesn’t get discouraged means the passing game (ranked 13th in the NFL right now) is clicking.“I like it when you guys can zero in on something that wasn’t good and yet we were good in the other areas,” Gilbride said. “That means maybe next, you know two weeks ago, you were asking how come Hakeem didn’t get the ball. Usually it balances itself out. I’m much less concerned about those things than you are.“What I’m concerned about is: Are we moving the ball? Are we having success? And so far we’re doing that.”So to my uncle and all those who have asked me: Don’t go putting Manningham on the waiver wire in your fantasy leagues just yet.* * * *As a follow-up to my game review note on Cruz on the play mentioned above, Gilbride said, “Victor was exactly right. He was perfect. He did exactly what we wanted.”So if Cruz was “perfect” and Manningham was wide open, that means it was Manning who goofed on that play. Hey, it happens.Watching that play over again, I’m going to correct myself: I don’t think Jefferson was playing man coverage on Manningham, as I had initially suspected. He was providing help over the top. If I had to guess, I’d say it was blown man coverage by either CB Richard Marshall or LB Sam Acho. Both went with Cruz. I’d say one — probably Marshall — should have gone with Manningham.It was a goofy-looking coverage and it might have been what threw off Manning. Maybe he saw what I initially saw, which was Jefferson on Manningham in man coverage.I’ve had four days to look at this play. Manning had less than four seconds.What a tough game to play, huh?
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'dwashington said:
Giants' Kevin Gilbride on Mario Manningham vs. Cardinals: 'His best game by far'

Published: Thursday, October 06, 2011, 3:52 PM Updated: Thursday, October 06, 2011, 10:27 PM

By Mike Garafolo/The Star-Ledger

wide receiver Mario Manningham wasn't demoted in favor of Victor Cruz in Sunday's victory over the Cardinals. "It was his best game, by far," offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said.

The Giants' Mario Manningham had only one catch for 10 yards on Sunday against the Arizona Cardinals. It was his worst game since …

Hang on.

(Does the Jon Stewart finger-to-the-ear thing)

It was what? His what game? (Pause) Really?

"That was really his best game," offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said today.

Interesting.

"He had nothing to show for it production-wise, but he ran a lot of good routes and got himself open," Gilbride said. "It was just, because of the coverage or what have you, the ball went the other way. But really that was his best game."

Manningham was frustrated during his session with reporters on Wednesday. I had mentioned it seemed he was more agitated by the questions than the subject of the questions, which was that he had supposedly been demoted.

And now we get a better understanding why he was irritated: because he didn't have a bad game and wasn't demoted.

"It was just really seeing some things that ... I thought Victor (Cruz) would do more effectively," Gilbride said. "We'll always do that. We'll move people around, we'll play Manningham in a certain spot, we'll put Victor in certain spots, we'll play Hakeem (Nicks) in different things.

"It's really just taking advantage of the ability level of that guy for that particular play."

It's funny, because this story line wouldn't have existed if Manning had thrown a few passes Manningham's way. As I noted in my game review, late in the first half, he was breaking free on a post up the deep middle well inside cornerback A.J. Jefferson, but Manning threw up the right sideline for Cruz.

"He was wide open on that one," Gilbride said, laughing as he repeated: "He was wide open on that one."

And did we mention …?

"This was his best game. This was his best game, by far," Gilbride said. "He was wide open on about four or five shots in the second half of the game, but the reads took the quarterback (elsewhere)."

This, of course, is a good problem for Gilbride to have. Cruz has nine catches for 208 yards and a touchdown in his past two games, combined. Finding enough work for Manningham, and making sure he doesn't get discouraged means the passing game (ranked 13th in the NFL right now) is clicking.

"I like it when you guys can zero in on something that wasn't good and yet we were good in the other areas," Gilbride said. "That means maybe next, you know two weeks ago, you were asking how come Hakeem didn't get the ball. Usually it balances itself out. I'm much less concerned about those things than you are.

"What I'm concerned about is: Are we moving the ball? Are we having success? And so far we're doing that."

So to my uncle and all those who have asked me: Don't go putting Manningham on the waiver wire in your fantasy leagues just yet.

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As a follow-up to my game review note on Cruz on the play mentioned above, Gilbride said, "Victor was exactly right. He was perfect. He did exactly what we wanted."

So if Cruz was "perfect" and Manningham was wide open, that means it was Manning who goofed on that play. Hey, it happens.

Watching that play over again, I'm going to correct myself: I don't think Jefferson was playing man coverage on Manningham, as I had initially suspected. He was providing help over the top. If I had to guess, I'd say it was blown man coverage by either CB Richard Marshall or LB Sam Acho. Both went with Cruz. I'd say one — probably Marshall — should have gone with Manningham.

It was a goofy-looking coverage and it might have been what threw off Manning. Maybe he saw what I initially saw, which was Jefferson on Manningham in man coverage.

I've had four days to look at this play. Manning had less than four seconds.

What a tough game to play, huh?
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:goodposting: Nice to know, especially with all the 'he played like ### and got demoted stuff".

He had 5 less yards than rob gronkowski. Sometimes matchups dictate the play :shrug: Might be the time to get him on the cheap, since you could get him for next to nothing right now.

 
'Raider Nation said:
Somebody needs to explain WTH is going on here. He was a monster down the stretch last year. Now he's invisible. I don't get it.
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Those games down the stretch didn't have Steve Smith. Victor Cruz = Steve Smith III still have hope for Manningham and wouldn't give up on him yet.. hopefully all this recent negativity will fire him up :football:
 
The more I hear about the week, the more I think he's going to have a big game. I'm talking 100+ and two touchdowns.

It's just a gut call, but he's going to be starting in both leagues I have him in this weekend.

 
'yoadrian said:
'Raider Nation said:
Somebody needs to explain WTH is going on here. He was a monster down the stretch last year. Now he's invisible. I don't get it.
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Those games down the stretch didn't have Steve Smith. Victor Cruz = Steve Smith III still have hope for Manningham and wouldn't give up on him yet.. hopefully all this recent negativity will fire him up :football:
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How is Victor Cruz similar to Steve Smith? Smith runs precise routes, has great hands and concentration, but lacks deep speed. Cruz doesn't run great routes yet, nor does he have great hands or concentration at this point in his career. I'm not seeing the comparison at all. If anything Cruz is more similar to Manningham than Smith - a talented player who makes mental errors.
 
guy has put up some big time numbers and no matter what you want to say about "he wasn't even good in college"...."he has bad hands"...."he runs bad routes".....dude is in the NFL.....the NFL.....he has to have some skills to play in this league and he has proven he can be a productive player....this offense at times was able to make Manningham startable when they had a solid group of three...all three were startable at times..

I don't think he should be on anybody's waiver wire.....stash him on the bench if need be, but it's not like Nicks is healthy all the time....all it would take is for Nicks or Cruz to get dinged and Manningham then would become the hottest WW pick up....even for the guys that say he sucks....I say ride it out as I expect his production to increase..

an owner dropped him in one of my leagues and as soon as he became "unlocked" (24 hours)....I jumped all over it....

60/944/9 last year.....little early to bail on this guy...

 
'todisco1 said:
'yoadrian said:
'Raider Nation said:
Somebody needs to explain WTH is going on here. He was a monster down the stretch last year. Now he's invisible. I don't get it.
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Those games down the stretch didn't have Steve Smith. Victor Cruz = Steve Smith III still have hope for Manningham and wouldn't give up on him yet.. hopefully all this recent negativity will fire him up :football:
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How is Victor Cruz similar to Steve Smith? Smith runs precise routes, has great hands and concentration, but lacks deep speed. Cruz doesn't run great routes yet, nor does he have great hands or concentration at this point in his career. I'm not seeing the comparison at all. If anything Cruz is more similar to Manningham than Smith - a talented player who makes mental errors.
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Relax, I am only making the comparison that this two receiver set in the beginning of the year that was supposed to mean more Manningham targets has now turned into something like last year when Steve Smith was around. VC is like SS in terms of opportunity for Manningham, nothing more. Honestly, I am more concerned about Eli making the right decisions and having confidence in his receivers than anything else at this point.
 
'solorca said:
The more I hear about the week, the more I think he's going to have a big game. I'm talking 100+ and two touchdowns.It's just a gut call, but he's going to be starting in both leagues I have him in this weekend.
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Yaknow, the Giants and the local press keep making noises about how people should not react, about how Manningham is still the guy, etc.http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/trueblue/cruz_making_steady_progress_not_meteoric_rise/Now maybe that's true and maybe it is.......but some Giants fans have been talking about Cruz for a while now, he actually shows up in a big way, two weeks in a row and if he does it again this week then it was all a smoke screen and he's finally emerging at which point it will be too, too late to get him. The magnitude of what he could do in that offense seems terrific.
 
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'yoadrian said:
'todisco1 said:
'yoadrian said:
'Raider Nation said:
Somebody needs to explain WTH is going on here. He was a monster down the stretch last year. Now he's invisible. I don't get it.
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Those games down the stretch didn't have Steve Smith. Victor Cruz = Steve Smith III still have hope for Manningham and wouldn't give up on him yet.. hopefully all this recent negativity will fire him up :football:
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How is Victor Cruz similar to Steve Smith? Smith runs precise routes, has great hands and concentration, but lacks deep speed. Cruz doesn't run great routes yet, nor does he have great hands or concentration at this point in his career. I'm not seeing the comparison at all. If anything Cruz is more similar to Manningham than Smith - a talented player who makes mental errors.
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Relax, I am only making the comparison that this two receiver set in the beginning of the year that was supposed to mean more Manningham targets has now turned into something like last year when Steve Smith was around. VC is like SS in terms of opportunity for Manningham, nothing more. Honestly, I am more concerned about Eli making the right decisions and having confidence in his receivers than anything else at this point.
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Gotcha. Don't know if I agree with that either long term but we'll certainly find out soon enough.
 
I have to admit I was starting to second guess who Manningham was as a player and if he did have the goods.

I will be happy to say I was reassured after watching yesterday's game that Manningham is the Giants second best WR and an important piece to their offense.

Now, Manningham has not had that breakout game yet and he has definitely dissapointed in the fantasy column thus far, but he is very close to rewarding his fantasy owners. Yesterday he had a game that was very close to 130 yards and 2 and possibly even 3 Td's. I know could have, should have and would have don't accumulate fantasy points for your team, but you need to look at the whole picture.

The positives:

-Manningham is on pace to be targetted 120 times this year, those targets are entering WR 1 territory for targets for a season.

-Slow start for Manningham but he is still starting for a team that has very good balance and he is not in danger of losing his job

-First full year starting so he should only be getting better

-He has been targetted all over the field, so he is not just a one dimensional player. He gets red zone looks, deep routes, screen, intermediate and short stuff. The Giants make a conserted effort to get him involved in their passing attack

-Eli is playing at a very high level

-Manningham always seems to find ways of getting open. He has shown an ability to be single coverage quite easily especially down the field

Negatives:

-He has shown at times suspect hands, and lack of focus

-Cruz has played better than I and many others have thought and therefore, he has eatten into some of Manningham's production

-He had an injury that forced him to miss a game and a half

 
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