Mark Ingram (1 Viewer)

[Concept Coop]

Does anyone else see Mark Ingram as a dynasty building, can't miss, elite from day 1 talent?

We have all heard the Emmitt Smith comparisons. While I do see some Emmitt in him, a more recent comparison is either MJD/Ray Rice. I think he is more talented than both, and will be more valuable to fantasy owners than both of these guys in their respective primes. He does everything you look for in a RB, and has the intangibles and work ethic to put it all together. He is going to be the most coveted rookie pick since ADP, and for good reason. He is going to rack up yardage both running and out of the backfield. He also has the power, balance, and vision to be a touchdown machine.

As a league champ that has already traded my 1st next year, I am already plotting a way to snag him. I am so high on this kid, I feel like if I don't, I will be kicking myself for years. I am hoping he runs a high 4.6 so I won't have to give up the house, but will do so if needed - Ditka style.

I am obviously really high on the young man. Anyone else on the Ingram bandwagon? Anyone not buying the hype? Anyone not have his name set in stone on their 2011 rankings?

 

[doowain]

While I like him, putting him on the level of Peterson is a bit out there. Adrian was a blue chip guy and the best running back in the country as a freshman. You think he's more talented than both Ray Rice AND MJD? Wow. Both of those guys are already elite...Top 5 guys. That means you think Ingram can be on Chris Johnson's level?

Ingram may not even be the best RB on his own team, let alone the best to come out since ADP.

I'm all for being high on those that you like, but I think you are drinking a bit too much of the kool-aid.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Does anyone else see Mark Ingram as a dynasty building, can't miss, elite from day 1 talent?We have all heard the Emmitt Smith comparisons. While I do see some Emmitt in him, a more recent comparison is either MJD/Ray Rice. I think he is more talented than both, and will be more valuable to fantasy owners than both of these guys in their respective primes. He does everything you look for in a RB, and has the intangibles and work ethic to put it all together. He is going to be the most coveted rookie pick since ADP, and for good reason. He is going to rack up yardage both running and out of the backfield. He also has the power, balance, and vision to be a touchdown machine. As a league champ that has already traded my 1st next year, I am already plotting a way to snag him. I am so high on this kid, I feel like if I don't, I will be kicking myself for years. I am hoping he runs a high 4.6 so I won't have to give up the house, but will do so if needed - Ditka style. I am obviously really high on the young man. Anyone else on the Ingram bandwagon? Anyone not buying the hype? Anyone not have his name set in stone on their 2011 rankings?

He is by no means a lock for the 1.01 next year IMO. I don't even think he is the best running back prospect on his college team. Trent Richardson is closer to that ADP/MJD/Rice level than Ingram to me. All that being said I think he has a chance to be very good. He seems to be in the mold of Mathews this year to me. Rock solid, you know what you are getting, but doesn't have that elite level potential. High floor, high but not elite ceiling. It's a long way from next season, but there are plenty of prospects with the ability to leapfrog Ingram with a good season.

 

[JohnnyU]

Look for Richardson to eat into his carries this season. I like Ingram, but I'm not sure I consider him any better than say, Ryan Mathews from this year.

 

[Concept Coop]

I am no doubt drinking the cool-aid.

Ray Rice is a top 5 producing RB, but not a top 5 talent in my book. Top 15, maybe. I can't predict Ingram's situation, but based on what I have seen (I am no scout by any means) talent wise, he is easilty head and shoulders above Ray Rice. I also think he is ahead of MJD, but that is much closer. He is also a great blocker, so should be a number 1 back from day one.

He is easily the best RB on his team. As far as being the best to come out since ADP, that is subjective and the evaluation process (actual scounts), should clear that up. But I feel he is easily better than Matthews, who is the clear cut number one this year. I also feel he is better than the Morenos, Wells', and Mendenhall's of the game.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Does anyone else see Mark Ingram as a dynasty building, can't miss, elite from day 1 talent?We have all heard the Emmitt Smith comparisons. While I do see some Emmitt in him, a more recent comparison is either MJD/Ray Rice. I think he is more talented than both, and will be more valuable to fantasy owners than both of these guys in their respective primes. He does everything you look for in a RB, and has the intangibles and work ethic to put it all together. He is going to be the most coveted rookie pick since ADP, and for good reason. He is going to rack up yardage both running and out of the backfield. He also has the power, balance, and vision to be a touchdown machine. As a league champ that has already traded my 1st next year, I am already plotting a way to snag him. I am so high on this kid, I feel like if I don't, I will be kicking myself for years. I am hoping he runs a high 4.6 so I won't have to give up the house, but will do so if needed - Ditka style. I am obviously really high on the young man. Anyone else on the Ingram bandwagon? Anyone not buying the hype? Anyone not have his name set in stone on their 2011 rankings?

He is by no means a lock for the 1.01 next year IMO. I don't even think he is the best running back prospect on his college team. Trent Richardson is closer to that ADP/MJD/Rice level than Ingram to me. All that being said I think he has a chance to be very good. He seems to be in the mold of Mathews this year to me. Rock solid, you know what you are getting, but doesn't have that elite level potential. High floor, high but not elite ceiling. It's a long way from next season, but there are plenty of prospects with the ability to leapfrog Ingram with a good season.

Alot of people thinkg Richardson is the bigger talent. But alot can change.I also must have missed the hype on MJD n Rice coming into the league, sure hindsight they look good. But MJD IRRC was a 2nd round pick and RayRice a 3rd.

 

[doowain]

I am no doubt drinking the cool-aid.

Ray Rice is a top 5 producing RB, but not a top 5 talent in my book. Top 15, maybe. I can't predict Ingram's situation, but based on what I have seen (I am no scout by any means) talent wise, he is easilty head and shoulders above Ray Rice. I also think he is ahead of MJD, but that is much closer. He is also a great blocker, so should be a number 1 back from day one.

He is easily the best RB on his team. As far as being the best to come out since ADP, that is subjective and the evaluation process (actual scounts), should clear that up. But I feel he is easily better than Matthews, who is the clear cut number one this year. I also feel he is better than the Morenos, Wells', and Mendenhall's of the game.

This sentence precludes you from giving an unbiased analysis.What makes you think Rice is only a Top 15 RB? He had elite production in college and in Year 2 of his NFL career put up a 2,000 total yard season.

There is no part of Ingram's game that I feel is superior to MJD or Rice. While he may eventually develop into that type of player, he certainly isn't close to their level right now.

 

[Concept Coop]

He is by no means a lock for the 1.01 next year IMO. I don't even think he is the best running back prospect on his college team. Trent Richardson is closer to that ADP/MJD/Rice level than Ingram to me. All that being said I think he has a chance to be very good. He seems to be in the mold of Mathews this year to me. Rock solid, you know what you are getting, but doesn't have that elite level potential. High floor, high but not elite ceiling. It's a long way from next season, but there are plenty of prospects with the ability to leapfrog Ingram with a good season.

Since when does vision, balance, power, and quickness not translate to elite talent? If you look at the RBs throughout history, those traits have translated better than those that make Chris Johnson special. Ryan Matthews is solid. Ingram does everything better than Matthews, with the exception of straight line speed.

 

[doowain]

He is by no means a lock for the 1.01 next year IMO. I don't even think he is the best running back prospect on his college team. Trent Richardson is closer to that ADP/MJD/Rice level than Ingram to me. All that being said I think he has a chance to be very good. He seems to be in the mold of Mathews this year to me. Rock solid, you know what you are getting, but doesn't have that elite level potential. High floor, high but not elite ceiling. It's a long way from next season, but there are plenty of prospects with the ability to leapfrog Ingram with a good season.

Since when does vision, balance, power, and quickness not translate to elite talent? If you look at the RBs throughout history, those traits have translated better than those that make Chris Johnson special. Ryan Matthews is solid. Ingram does everything better than Matthews, with the exception of straight line speed.

I think you need to figure out how to work the Quote functionality on here. That quote doesn't belong to me

 

[Concept Coop]

This sentence precludes you from giving an unbiased analysis.What makes you think Rice is only a Top 15 RB? He had elite production in college and in Year 2 of his NFL career put up a 2,000 total yard season.There is no part of Ingram's game that I feel is superior to MJD or Rice. While he may eventually develop into that type of player, he certainly isn't close to their level right now.

Maybe talent is the wrong word to use. "Raw talent" is more accurate. I feel that in some situations in the NFL, Felix Jones would be a better player than Ray Rice. That is only a hunch, and Felix hasn't been healthy. But that is my honest opinion, and thus, I think Felix Jones has more raw talent than Ray Race. Jonathan Stewart is another that I feel is more talented. What does Ray Rice do better than Ingram? What does MJD do better than Ingram? Obviously we see the eye-popping things that MJD and Ray Rice have been able to do in the NFL, and that adds to our evaluation of their talent. But is there anyone that would take them over Ingram in the same draft class, with no indication of future success? I would be surprised. He does what Ray Rice does, but is bigger, stronger, and more explosive in doing them.

 

[doowain]

This sentence precludes you from giving an unbiased analysis.What makes you think Rice is only a Top 15 RB? He had elite production in college and in Year 2 of his NFL career put up a 2,000 total yard season.There is no part of Ingram's game that I feel is superior to MJD or Rice. While he may eventually develop into that type of player, he certainly isn't close to their level right now.

Maybe talent is the wrong word to use. "Raw talent" is more accurate. I feel that in some situations in the NFL, Felix Jones would be a better player than Ray Rice. That is only a hunch, and Felix hasn't been healthy. But that is my honest opinion, and thus, I think Felix Jones has more raw talent than Ray Race. Jonathan Stewart is another that I feel is more talented. What does Ray Rice do better than Ingram? What does MJD do better than Ingram? Obviously we see the eye-popping things that MJD and Ray Rice have been able to do in the NFL, and that adds to our evaluation of their talent. But is there anyone that would take them over Ingram in the same draft class, with no indication of future success? I would be surprised. He does what Ray Rice does, but is bigger, stronger, and more explosive in doing them.

We disagree on all fronts.And I'm seeing a pattern with the RBs you feel are superior to already ELITE NFL running backs. Alabama homer?

 

[Concept Coop]

This sentence precludes you from giving an unbiased analysis.What makes you think Rice is only a Top 15 RB? He had elite production in college and in Year 2 of his NFL career put up a 2,000 total yard season.There is no part of Ingram's game that I feel is superior to MJD or Rice. While he may eventually develop into that type of player, he certainly isn't close to their level right now.

Maybe talent is the wrong word to use. "Raw talent" is more accurate. I feel that in some situations in the NFL, Felix Jones would be a better player than Ray Rice. That is only a hunch, and Felix hasn't been healthy. But that is my honest opinion, and thus, I think Felix Jones has more raw talent than Ray Race. Jonathan Stewart is another that I feel is more talented. What does Ray Rice do better than Ingram? What does MJD do better than Ingram? Obviously we see the eye-popping things that MJD and Ray Rice have been able to do in the NFL, and that adds to our evaluation of their talent. But is there anyone that would take them over Ingram in the same draft class, with no indication of future success? I would be surprised. He does what Ray Rice does, but is bigger, stronger, and more explosive in doing them.

We disagree on all fronts.And I'm seeing a pattern with the RBs you feel are superior to already ELITE NFL running backs. Alabama homer?

Farhest thing from it! Florida fan!

 

[Concept Coop]

If I am wrong, we shall see. But can someone tell me what Ray Rice does better than Mark Ingram?

I know Ray Race tore it up in the NFL last year. But when comparing a pro to a college player, you have to look at talent. In what ways is Ray Rice more talented than Mark Ingram?

 

[doowain]

If I am wrong, we shall see. But can someone tell me what Ray Rice does better than Mark Ingram? I know Ray Race tore it up in the NFL last year. But when comparing a pro to a college player, you have to look at talent. In what ways is Ray Rice more talented than Mark Ingram?

Well...let's compare him to MJD (who you also ranked Ingram above):Speed: MJD (4.39 vs. 4.45 40)Balance: MJD -- the way he sheds and bounces off tackles is a thing of beautyBlocking: MJD (probably the best in the NFL)Receiving: MJD (probably the best in the NFL)Scoring: MJD (he is both a goalline and homerun threat)And for me, Ray Rice is MJD-lite.....so Rice > Ingram in all of those categories as well.

 

[Concept Coop]

If I am wrong, we shall see. But can someone tell me what Ray Rice does better than Mark Ingram? I know Ray Race tore it up in the NFL last year. But when comparing a pro to a college player, you have to look at talent. In what ways is Ray Rice more talented than Mark Ingram?

Well...let's compare him to MJD (who you also ranked Ingram above):Speed: MJD (4.39 vs. 4.45 40)Balance: MJD -- the way he sheds and bounces off tackles is a thing of beautyBlocking: MJD (probably the best in the NFL)Receiving: MJD (probably the best in the NFL)Scoring: MJD (he is both a goalline and homerun threat)And for me, Ray Rice is MJD-lite.....so Rice > Ingram in all of those categories as well.

Speed: MJDBalance: PushVision: IngramPower: IngramSize: PushQuickness: PushReceiving: MJDScoring: PushBlocking: Push Ray Rice:Speed: PushBalance: Ingram, due to size/strengthVision: IngramPower: Ingram by a lotSize: IngramQuickness: IngramReceiving: PushScoring: Ingram by a lotBlocking: Ingram

 

[doowain]

If I am wrong, we shall see. But can someone tell me what Ray Rice does better than Mark Ingram? I know Ray Race tore it up in the NFL last year. But when comparing a pro to a college player, you have to look at talent. In what ways is Ray Rice more talented than Mark Ingram?

Well...let's compare him to MJD (who you also ranked Ingram above):Speed: MJD (4.39 vs. 4.45 40)Balance: MJD -- the way he sheds and bounces off tackles is a thing of beautyBlocking: MJD (probably the best in the NFL)Receiving: MJD (probably the best in the NFL)Scoring: MJD (he is both a goalline and homerun threat)And for me, Ray Rice is MJD-lite.....so Rice > Ingram in all of those categories as well.

Speed: MJDBalance: PushVision: IngramPower: IngramQuickness: PushReceiving: MJDScoring: PushBlocking: Push Ray Rice:Speed: PushBalance: Ingram, due to size/strengthVision: IngramPower: Ingram by a lotQuickness: IngramReceiving: PushScoring: Ingram by a lotBlocking: Ingram

Heh. If you say so.

 

[Concept Coop]

Heh. Let's see where he gets drafted. Assuming it is in the first round, NFL scouts will have agreed with me.

 

[doowain]

Heh. Let's see where he gets drafted. Assuming it is in the first round, NFL scouts will have agreed with me.

Are you comparing where these RBs were coming out of college or where they are now? Because if it's where they are now, your comparisons are WAY off. No way you can look at Ingram (in college) vs. what MJD does against NFL defenses and say that their balance, vision, etc are a PUSH. Come on.If it's comparing where they were coming into the NFL, ok, we have a discussion. But to compare them at their respective careers CURRENTLY, it's not close. To put him above MJD and Rice, you have to know that you are putting him on ADP/Chris Johnson level. And that is just not realistic. Sorry.

 

[Concept Coop]

Heh. Let's see where he gets drafted. Assuming it is in the first round, NFL scouts will have agreed with me.

Are you comparing where these RBs were coming out of college or where they are now? Because if it's where they are now, your comparisons are WAY off. No way you can look at Ingram (in college) vs. what MJD does against NFL defenses and say that their balance, vision, etc are a PUSH. Come on.If it's comparing where they were coming into the NFL, ok, we have a discussion. But to compare them at their respective careers CURRENTLY, it's not close. To put him above MJD and Rice, you have to know that you are putting him on ADP/Chris Johnson level. And that is just not realistic. Sorry.

I am comparing talent. you have to take into account what Rice and Jones-Drew have done in the NFL. But you if you are goinng to use your logic, no rookie in history would ever surpass a proven player. What had ADP done to show that he could be an elite NFL RB, as compared to say Thomas Jones who was already producing? He was more talented. Just like Ingram is more talented than Ray Rice. I am projecting Ingram to be able to do the things that Rice and MJD have done. At the same poing in their careers, Ingram is better. I think he will be better than both - Rice by a good margin.

 

[gandalas]

Heh. Let's see where he gets drafted. Assuming it is in the first round, NFL scouts will have agreed with me.

No, you mean if he is drafted in the top-10, then they agree with you. I would even draw a pre-requisite of a top-7 pick as the talent that he is described as having in this thread. After all, even ADP was taken at #7, and that was with a team that already had an established RB.

 

[doowain]

Heh. Let's see where he gets drafted. Assuming it is in the first round, NFL scouts will have agreed with me.

Are you comparing where these RBs were coming out of college or where they are now? Because if it's where they are now, your comparisons are WAY off. No way you can look at Ingram (in college) vs. what MJD does against NFL defenses and say that their balance, vision, etc are a PUSH. Come on.If it's comparing where they were coming into the NFL, ok, we have a discussion. But to compare them at their respective careers CURRENTLY, it's not close. To put him above MJD and Rice, you have to know that you are putting him on ADP/Chris Johnson level. And that is just not realistic. Sorry.

I am comparing talent. you have to take into account what Rice and Jones-Drew have done in the NFL. But you if you are goinng to use your logic, no rookie in history would ever surpass a proven player. What had ADP done to show that he could be an elite NFL RB, as compared to say Thomas Jones who was already producing? He was more talented. Just like Ingram is more talented than Ray Rice. I am projecting Ingram to be able to do the things that Rice and MJD have done. At the same poing in their careers, Ingram is better. I think he will be better than both - Rice by a good margin.

Are these FF projections of "being better than both"?After you answer that, I'm done. Your man-love is clouding your judgment.

 

[werdnoynek]

Heh. Let's see where he gets drafted. Assuming it is in the first round, NFL scouts will have agreed with me.

Are you comparing where these RBs were coming out of college or where they are now? Because if it's where they are now, your comparisons are WAY off. No way you can look at Ingram (in college) vs. what MJD does against NFL defenses and say that their balance, vision, etc are a PUSH. Come on.If it's comparing where they were coming into the NFL, ok, we have a discussion. But to compare them at their respective careers CURRENTLY, it's not close. To put him above MJD and Rice, you have to know that you are putting him on ADP/Chris Johnson level. And that is just not realistic. Sorry.

I am comparing talent. you have to take into account what Rice and Jones-Drew have done in the NFL. But you if you are goinng to use your logic, no rookie in history would ever surpass a proven player. What had ADP done to show that he could be an elite NFL RB, as compared to say Thomas Jones who was already producing? He was more talented. Just like Ingram is more talented than Ray Rice. I am projecting Ingram to be able to do the things that Rice and MJD have done. At the same poing in their careers, Ingram is better. I think he will be better than both - Rice by a good margin.

Are these FF projections of "being better than both"?After you answer that, I'm done. Your man-love is clouding your judgment.

mjd > rice >>>>>> richardson > ingram - right now imo.

 

[karmarooster]

why such an urge to compare Ingram to MJD, Rice, or CJ? because those three guys are elite? his game shares virtually nothing with theirs. He's listed at 5'10'' 212 but he'll probably be closer to 220 by the time of the draft next year. proto-typical NFL workhorse running back size.

i see better comparisons to this guy in Rudi Johnson and Shonn Greene. he just runs with that much power. i remember watching him in the championship game against a talented Texas defense... virtually every time he touched the ball he'd gain 7-9 yards. he runs through tackles and always falls forward. i don't think he has the receiving ability of MJD or Rice, still a better than average receiver, but i'd say he has more power than Rice, and equal to MJD.

Beyond Rudi and Shonn he has better balance and probably higher end speed (although not in the MJD range).

look at him in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUBkDi2PStg

the majority of clips are against high-level defenses from the SEC and ACC. i'm talking about :38 against VaTech. he makes first contact at the 45 yard line, runs through that arm tackle, makes second contact at the 40 against two defenders, and fights to the 35. if you don't think he has decent speed, check out 2:14.

what sticks out most in the highlight clip is how quickly he goes North-South. he's not incredibly flashy, but incredibly effective. i dont think he'll post an amazing 40 time, but his game speed is so fast because he gets upfield so fast, without wasting energy juking left and right.

sports science from ESPN... a bit of fluff but also interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWK7Drqttgk

ETA - for anyone suggesting that Richardson is the better talent... keep in mind he got to face the defense after Ingram had pummeled them.

btw i'm not suggesting he's better than MJD.... and he'll never be the force in PPR leagues that MJD and Rice have been... but he's got top 10 written all over him.

 

[doowain]

Heh. Let's see where he gets drafted. Assuming it is in the first round, NFL scouts will have agreed with me.

Are you comparing where these RBs were coming out of college or where they are now? Because if it's where they are now, your comparisons are WAY off. No way you can look at Ingram (in college) vs. what MJD does against NFL defenses and say that their balance, vision, etc are a PUSH. Come on.If it's comparing where they were coming into the NFL, ok, we have a discussion. But to compare them at their respective careers CURRENTLY, it's not close. To put him above MJD and Rice, you have to know that you are putting him on ADP/Chris Johnson level. And that is just not realistic. Sorry.

I am comparing talent. you have to take into account what Rice and Jones-Drew have done in the NFL. But you if you are goinng to use your logic, no rookie in history would ever surpass a proven player. What had ADP done to show that he could be an elite NFL RB, as compared to say Thomas Jones who was already producing? He was more talented. Just like Ingram is more talented than Ray Rice. I am projecting Ingram to be able to do the things that Rice and MJD have done. At the same poing in their careers, Ingram is better. I think he will be better than both - Rice by a good margin.

Another thing......you are putting this faith in scouts to back up your claim that Ingram is better talent-wise than MJD/Rice. But....if those guys were 2nd/3rd rounders, wouldn't that lend to the fact that scouts are sometimes wrong on evaluating talent? If scouts knew then what they know now about MJD and Rice, they are both Top 10 picks in their draft classes IMO.So, to put 100% stock in the draft position as the end all be all of a player's talent level is a mistake.

 

[werdnoynek]

why such an urge to compare Ingram to MJD, Rice, or CJ? because those three guys are elite? his game shares virtually nothing with theirs. He's listed at 5'10'' 212 but he'll probably be closer to 220 by the time of the draft next year. proto-typical NFL workhorse running back size.

i see better comparisons to this guy in Rudi Johnson and Shonn Greene. he just runs with that much power. i remember watching him in the championship game against a talented Texas defense... virtually every time he touched the ball he'd gain 7-9 yards. he runs through tackles and always falls forward. i don't think he has the receiving ability of MJD or Rice, still a better than average receiver, but i'd say he has more power than Rice, and equal to MJD.

Beyond Rudi and Shonn he has better balance and probably higher end speed (although not in the MJD range).

look at him in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUBkDi2PStg

the majority of clips are against high-level defenses from the SEC and ACC. i'm talking about :38 against VaTech. he makes first contact at the 45 yard line, runs through that arm tackle, makes second contact at the 40 against two defenders, and fights to the 35. if you don't think he has decent speed, check out 2:14.

what sticks out most in the highlight clip is how quickly he goes North-South. he's not incredibly flashy, but incredibly effective. i dont think he'll post an amazing 40 time, but his game speed is so fast because he gets upfield so fast, without wasting energy juking left and right.

sports science from ESPN... a bit of fluff but also interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWK7Drqttgk

ETA - for anyone suggesting that Richardson is the better talent... keep in mind he got to face the defense after Ingram had pummeled them.

 

[doowain]

why such an urge to compare Ingram to MJD, Rice, or CJ? because those three guys are elite? his game shares virtually nothing with theirs. He's listed at 5'10'' 212 but he'll probably be closer to 220 by the time of the draft next year. proto-typical NFL workhorse running back size.

i see better comparisons to this guy in Rudi Johnson and Shonn Greene. he just runs with that much power. i remember watching him in the championship game against a talented Texas defense... virtually every time he touched the ball he'd gain 7-9 yards. he runs through tackles and always falls forward. i don't think he has the receiving ability of MJD or Rice, still a better than average receiver, but i'd say he has more power than Rice, and equal to MJD.

Beyond Rudi and Shonn he has better balance and probably higher end speed (although not in the MJD range).

look at him in this video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUBkDi2PStg

the majority of clips are against high-level defenses from the SEC and ACC. i'm talking about :38 against VaTech. he makes first contact at the 45 yard line, runs through that arm tackle, makes second contact at the 40 against two defenders, and fights to the 35. if you don't think he has decent speed, check out 2:14.

what sticks out most in the highlight clip is how quickly he goes North-South. he's not incredibly flashy, but incredibly effective. i dont think he'll post an amazing 40 time, but his game speed is so fast because he gets upfield so fast, without wasting energy juking left and right.

sports science from ESPN... a bit of fluff but also interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWK7Drqttgk

ETA - for anyone suggesting that Richardson is the better talent... keep in mind he got to face the defense after Ingram had pummeled them.

The comparison to MJD/Rice wasn't mine....or really even the OPs. I've seen that comparison being thrown around in multiple places.

 

[EBF]

Put me in the camp that likes Richardson more than Ingram as a pro prospect. Better athlete. More explosive. Higher ceiling. I see him as more likely to become a top 5-10 pick.

Having said that, Ingram is a solid first round prospect who looks like a safe bet to become a productive workhorse back in the NFL.

 

[Concept Coop]

Heh. Let's see where he gets drafted. Assuming it is in the first round, NFL scouts will have agreed with me.

Are you comparing where these RBs were coming out of college or where they are now? Because if it's where they are now, your comparisons are WAY off. No way you can look at Ingram (in college) vs. what MJD does against NFL defenses and say that their balance, vision, etc are a PUSH. Come on.If it's comparing where they were coming into the NFL, ok, we have a discussion. But to compare them at their respective careers CURRENTLY, it's not close. To put him above MJD and Rice, you have to know that you are putting him on ADP/Chris Johnson level. And that is just not realistic. Sorry.

I am comparing talent. you have to take into account what Rice and Jones-Drew have done in the NFL. But you if you are goinng to use your logic, no rookie in history would ever surpass a proven player. What had ADP done to show that he could be an elite NFL RB, as compared to say Thomas Jones who was already producing? He was more talented. Just like Ingram is more talented than Ray Rice. I am projecting Ingram to be able to do the things that Rice and MJD have done. At the same poing in their careers, Ingram is better. I think he will be better than both - Rice by a good margin.

Are these FF projections of "being better than both"?After you answer that, I'm done. Your man-love is clouding your judgment.

If I said two years ago that CJ and Rice would be where they are now in terms of both NFL and FF production, I would have been laughed at too. All I am saying is that I watched a lot of all three in college, and Ingram was the best, against better compitition. He skill set is also just as likely to translate as theirs was coming out. If that makes me crazy or blinded by man-love in your mind, fine.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

This sentence precludes you from giving an unbiased analysis.

What makes you think Rice is only a Top 15 RB? He had elite production in college and in Year 2 of his NFL career put up a 2,000 total yard season.

There is no part of Ingram's game that I feel is superior to MJD or Rice. While he may eventually develop into that type of player, he certainly isn't close to their level right now.

Maybe talent is the wrong word to use. "Raw talent" is more accurate. I feel that in some situations in the NFL, Felix Jones would be a better player than Ray Rice. That is only a hunch, and Felix hasn't been healthy. But that is my honest opinion, and thus, I think Felix Jones has more raw talent than Ray Race. Jonathan Stewart is another that I feel is more talented. What does Ray Rice do better than Ingram? What does MJD do better than Ingram? Obviously we see the eye-popping things that MJD and Ray Rice have been able to do in the NFL, and that adds to our evaluation of their talent. But is there anyone that would take them over Ingram in the same draft class, with no indication of future success? I would be surprised.

He does what Ray Rice does, but is bigger, stronger, and more explosive in doing them.

We disagree on all fronts.And I'm seeing a pattern with the RBs you feel are superior to already ELITE NFL running backs. Alabama homer?

He said that he thought Felix and Stewart were more talented than Ray Rice. I'm not sure why that is such a controversial statement. He didn't say that they absolutely will be more productive than Rice. BTW, I happen to agree that Stewart (in particular) and Felix (to a lesser degree) are more talented than Rice.

 

[doowain]

This sentence precludes you from giving an unbiased analysis.

What makes you think Rice is only a Top 15 RB? He had elite production in college and in Year 2 of his NFL career put up a 2,000 total yard season.

There is no part of Ingram's game that I feel is superior to MJD or Rice. While he may eventually develop into that type of player, he certainly isn't close to their level right now.

Maybe talent is the wrong word to use. "Raw talent" is more accurate. I feel that in some situations in the NFL, Felix Jones would be a better player than Ray Rice. That is only a hunch, and Felix hasn't been healthy. But that is my honest opinion, and thus, I think Felix Jones has more raw talent than Ray Race. Jonathan Stewart is another that I feel is more talented. What does Ray Rice do better than Ingram? What does MJD do better than Ingram? Obviously we see the eye-popping things that MJD and Ray Rice have been able to do in the NFL, and that adds to our evaluation of their talent. But is there anyone that would take them over Ingram in the same draft class, with no indication of future success? I would be surprised.

He does what Ray Rice does, but is bigger, stronger, and more explosive in doing them.

We disagree on all fronts.And I'm seeing a pattern with the RBs you feel are superior to already ELITE NFL running backs. Alabama homer?

He said that he thought Felix and Stewart were more talented than Ray Rice. I'm not sure why that is such a controversial statement. He didn't say that they absolutely will be more productive than Rice. BTW, I happen to agree that Stewart (in particular) and Felix (to a lesser degree) are more talented than Rice.

Snuck that Stewart statement in there. EDIT: We disagree on all fronts but the one involving Jonathan Stewart.

 

[fightingillini]

Put me in the camp that likes Richardson more than Ingram as a pro prospect. Better athlete. More explosive. Higher ceiling. I see him as more likely to become a top 5-10 pick. Having said that, Ingram is a solid first round prospect who looks like a safe bet to become a productive workhorse back in the NFL.

Agree with EBF here.

 

[gump]

I'm no draft guru...but I have seen every carry of both Ingram and Richardson's careers. The difference I see is the Richardson gets by more on his combo of strength and speed...running thru tackles, by tacklers, etc. Ingram's balance, vision, and quickness are what help him excel...he never seems to get hit square...which his balance allows him to shed even when he does.

At this point, I think Ingram is ready to be a workhorse in the NFL...while Richardson needs to develop more.

 

[sholditch]

I am no doubt drinking the cool-aid. Ray Rice is a top 5 producing RB, but not a top 5 talent in my book. Top 15, maybe. I can't predict Ingram's situation, but based on what I have seen (I am no scout by any means) talent wise, he is easilty head and shoulders above Ray Rice. I also think he is ahead of MJD, but that is much closer. He is also a great blocker, so should be a number 1 back from day one. He is easily the best RB on his team. As far as being the best to come out since ADP, that is subjective and the evaluation process (actual scounts), should clear that up. But I feel he is easily better than Matthews, who is the clear cut number one this year. I also feel he is better than the Morenos, Wells', and Mendenhall's of the game.

I have seen every game Ingram has ever played and he most definitely is not the best rb on his team. Don't get me wrong, he's great and I think he can easily be a 1500 yard back. But Trent Richardson is like no other runner I have ever seen. He's got Chris Johnsons quicksilver and is a ripped 220. Probably not quite as fast as Chris but he doesn't look far off. He's the guy to target if you want to swing for the fences. But Ingram will be solid. But more of a Rudi Johnson type.

 

[offdee]

I am no doubt drinking the cool-aid. Ray Rice is a top 5 producing RB, but not a top 5 talent in my book. Top 15, maybe. I can't predict Ingram's situation, but based on what I have seen (I am no scout by any means) talent wise, he is easilty head and shoulders above Ray Rice. I also think he is ahead of MJD, but that is much closer. He is also a great blocker, so should be a number 1 back from day one. He is easily the best RB on his team. As far as being the best to come out since ADP, that is subjective and the evaluation process (actual scounts), should clear that up. But I feel he is easily better than Matthews, who is the clear cut number one this year. I also feel he is better than the Morenos, Wells', and Mendenhall's of the game.

I have seen every game Ingram has ever played and he most definitely is not the best rb on his team. Don't get me wrong, he's great and I think he can easily be a 1500 yard back. But Trent Richardson is like no other runner I have ever seen. He's got Chris Johnsons quicksilver and is a ripped 220. Probably not quite as fast as Chris but he doesn't look far off. He's the guy to target if you want to swing for the fences. But Ingram will be solid. But more of a Rudi Johnson type.

I'm as big as a fan of Trent Richardson there is (just acquired him in a Dynasty league that allows 1 college player per roster for 3 first round picks + Devin Hester).....but, he's nowhere near as fast as Chris Johnson.He's a great combination of power, size and speed, but he's more power and size than pure speed. As a true soph he's already a perfect 5-10 and legit 220lbs. But, when it comes time to run the 40 I'd be surprised if he broke 4.45. (I'm guessing he'll be in the (4.48-4.53 area). Plenty fast for a guy of his size and talent, but he'll never be mistaken for Chris Johnson, CJ Spiller or Jahvid Best.

 

[sholditch]

Watch more games. His moves in traffic and burst off a change of direction are superb. Fluid even. I seriously think he could be the next truly great rb. I'm sure we can get his 40 time somewhere. But we should also remember he's going into his sophomore year.

 

[sholditch]

You were right 40 is 4.5 accding to edsbs

 

[D'OHtis]

I think he'll be a 1st round. I don't think he's can't miss. I liken him to Travis Henry w/o all the babies.

 

[oukurt]

Does anyone else see Mark Ingram as a dynasty building, can't miss, elite from day 1 talent?We have all heard the Emmitt Smith comparisons. While I do see some Emmitt in him, a more recent comparison is either MJD/Ray Rice. I think he is more talented than both, and will be more valuable to fantasy owners than both of these guys in their respective primes. He does everything you look for in a RB, and has the intangibles and work ethic to put it all together. He is going to be the most coveted rookie pick since ADP, and for good reason. He is going to rack up yardage both running and out of the backfield. He also has the power, balance, and vision to be a touchdown machine. As a league champ that has already traded my 1st next year, I am already plotting a way to snag him. I am so high on this kid, I feel like if I don't, I will be kicking myself for years. I am hoping he runs a high 4.6 so I won't have to give up the house, but will do so if needed - Ditka style. I am obviously really high on the young man. Anyone else on the Ingram bandwagon? Anyone not buying the hype? Anyone not have his name set in stone on their 2011 rankings?

I am very high on him and his backfield partner Trent Richardson. I see them as both can't miss stars at the next level. I agree with Emmitt Smith not being the best comparison. He has more speed and burst than Emmitt did. I got him at pick 5.01 (49th overall) in the current startup dynasty I am drafting in and was thrilled about it. Get in on Richardson as well if you can. He is a beast.After reading through the full thread I think you should curb your enthusiasm a bit. Matter of factly stating that he is better than guys like MJD and Rice is a bit crazy. These guys have proven it at the next level. Ingram is still going up against college defenses. However I am sky high on Ingram and hope he lands in a good situation.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Concept Coop, still see Ingram as a can't-miss franchise building block more talented than MJD and Rice?

I did a search for Ingram to gauge his current dynasty value, and came up with this. I'm just VERY interested to hear what your thoughts are over a year later. Has your perspective evolved (or devolved?) into something else? Or pretty much stayed the same?

Did you do everything in your power to draft/trade for him in all your dynasties, as such a strong opinion in the OP would suggest you should? Or did you cool on him?

 

[Sabertooth]

Does anyone else see Mark Ingram as a dynasty building, can't miss, elite from day 1 talent?

We have all heard the Emmitt Smith comparisons. While I do see some Emmitt in him, a more recent comparison is either MJD/Ray Rice. I think he is more talented than both, and will be more valuable to fantasy owners than both of these guys in their respective primes. He does everything you look for in a RB, and has the intangibles and work ethic to put it all together. He is going to be the most coveted rookie pick since ADP, and for good reason. He is going to rack up yardage both running and out of the backfield. He also has the power, balance, and vision to be a touchdown machine.

As a league champ that has already traded my 1st next year, I am already plotting a way to snag him. I am so high on this kid, I feel like if I don't, I will be kicking myself for years. I am hoping he runs a high 4.6 so I won't have to give up the house, but will do so if needed - Ditka style.

I am obviously really high on the young man. Anyone else on the Ingram bandwagon? Anyone not buying the hype? Anyone not have his name set in stone on their 2011 rankings?