Marvin Harrison (1 Viewer)

[ffguru56]

I don't know how often and if there's an order for players to be picked but I'm sure this will be discussed when/if Marvin Harrison is a topic for Player Spotlight discussion. However, my question is in reference to Harrison's age and his production until he is expected to retire.

I don't know much about contract talks nor do I know how long Harrison is signed for. Players are able to opt out of contracts so I'm asking not on a contractual level but on a personal hunch, how much longer will Harrison play for?

He'll be 35 at the start of the NFL season. I can only assume he has at most 5 years left in the tank, if that. Now how many of those years are productive years?

My main questions I suppose is how many more years will Harrison produce 1200 yards and 10+ td's?

 

[Yitbos69]

Two years at his current level(3 years at the most). I have no idea where the guys head is at. How long does he want to play?

I still like him as a value pick but would not want him as my #1 WR on a dynasty team!

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Whatever the answer is, Harrison has shown no apparent signs of his age so far that I can see.

 

[Garts]

If anything, he may now be undervalued...as some see him as slowing down when really he's still a great player and pick as a #1 WR.

 

[FantasyTrader]

His age is hidden well by his game. He was never a burner - he made a living off of running routes and setting CB's on their heels as well as any WR ever. And the guy rarely ever takes a full-on smack. He's always ducking his shoulder or outright laying down before the defense recovers.

My guess is that we see his steady decline from top 5 status THIS year. But I'm betting he still has 3-4 years as a role player if he continues dedicating himself.

In redraft I'd happily grab him as a high-end #2 (where I expect he'll be long gone) and in dynasty I'd want him as a #3 (where he'll definitely be gone). Thanks but gimme Cotchery/Clayton instead.

 

[ffguru56]

All of your opinions seem reasonable enough for me and sort of support my idea of his future. I see him producing at his level probably the next 2 years, based on the fact that he is a great route runner and doesn't take those big hits and the fact that he's on a power house offense with peyton throwing to him until his retirement.

Afterwards, a steady decline of his numbers but still respectable.

 

[thecardiackid]

I think it depends on whether or not Indy wins another SB. 2 in a row might be enough to hang up the cleats. Only a guess on my part - but the guy's 35. And while his game is still solid, it may come down to motivation - since I'm sure he's not $ motivated @ this point. And he doesn't seem to be a record / stat chaser.

I'll bet he watched Rice end his career slightly less than gracefully, and would consider going out "on top" ala Bettis. So I'll vote 1-2 more years, simply b/c he's got nothing to prove or accomplish in the NFL.

 

[kensat30]

I think it will take a major injury to rerail Harrison within the next few years. Even if the guy loses a step, he is such a technician and has such good hands that he can still catch 80 passes and score 10 TDs.

I've been hearing for 2-3 years now how Marvin is going to fall off and that Wayne is going to develop into a superstud to fill in the production void, but I'm just not seeing it. Every year Marvin just keeps plugging in those stud numbers.

 

[Garts]

Maybe his catches and yardage go down, but he wll always put up TDS.....Manning loves him inside the 20.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I think it will take a major injury to rerail Harrison within the next few years. Even if the guy loses a step, he is such a technician and has such good hands that he can still catch 80 passes and score 10 TDs.I've been hearing for 2-3 years now how Marvin is going to fall off and that Wayne is going to develop into a superstud to fill in the production void, but I'm just not seeing it. Every year Marvin just keeps plugging in those stud numbers.

Nope. Just age. That's all it's ever taken EVERY NFL player in history and thats all it'll take Marvin. At age 35 I believe 3 years is VERY generous. I could see him still havig a "role" on your fantasy team but it's time to begi reeling in expectations.

 

[Patoons]

I think it will take a major injury to rerail Harrison within the next few years. Even if the guy loses a step, he is such a technician and has such good hands that he can still catch 80 passes and score 10 TDs.I've been hearing for 2-3 years now how Marvin is going to fall off and that Wayne is going to develop into a superstud to fill in the production void, but I'm just not seeing it. Every year Marvin just keeps plugging in those stud numbers.

Nope. Just age. That's all it's ever taken EVERY NFL player in history and thats all it'll take Marvin. At age 35 I believe 3 years is VERY generous. I could see him still havig a "role" on your fantasy team but it's time to begi reeling in expectations.

Why has he slowed up finishing as the #1 WR last year at the age of 34? Rice still had 3 more top 10 seasons at that age.

 

[bjlmonster]

I still like him as a value pick but would not want him as my #1 WR on a dynasty team!

I totally disagree with this. I have Marvin as my #1 in my dynasty league. Other #1 WR's IMO in the league are Steve Smith, Colston, Boldin, Mushy, Burress, Ocho Cinco, Fitzgerald, Holt, TO, Roy Williams, and Berrian. Few of these recievers I would like to have over Harrison as my #1.Yeah, I would not take him as a #1 very early in an initial draft and he has very little trade value, but he has been a huge reason why I have won the points championship two straight years. When his production starts to fade, one of my young guys will have stepped up to a solid #1 role and make my squad even tougher.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I think it will take a major injury to rerail Harrison within the next few years. Even if the guy loses a step, he is such a technician and has such good hands that he can still catch 80 passes and score 10 TDs.I've been hearing for 2-3 years now how Marvin is going to fall off and that Wayne is going to develop into a superstud to fill in the production void, but I'm just not seeing it. Every year Marvin just keeps plugging in those stud numbers.

Nope. Just age. That's all it's ever taken EVERY NFL player in history and thats all it'll take Marvin. At age 35 I believe 3 years is VERY generous. I could see him still havig a "role" on your fantasy team but it's time to begi reeling in expectations.

Why has he slowed up finishing as the #1 WR last year at the age of 34? Rice still had 3 more top 10 seasons at that age.

You might be right. But can I get you to agree that the GENERAL age of decline for WR is closer to 35 than 38? Knowing that Rice was the exception to the rule, why believe Harrison will do the same? I'm not saying he CAN'T do the same - just that odds are more likely he doesn't have even close to 3 years left producing #1 WR stats.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I still like him as a value pick but would not want him as my #1 WR on a dynasty team!

I totally disagree with this. I have Marvin as my #1 in my dynasty league. Other #1 WR's IMO in the league are Steve Smith, Colston, Boldin, Mushy, Burress, Ocho Cinco, Fitzgerald, Holt, TO, Roy Williams, and Berrian. Few of these recievers I would like to have over Harrison as my #1.Yeah, I would not take him as a #1 very early in an initial draft and he has very little trade value, but he has been a huge reason why I have won the points championship two straight years. When his production starts to fade, one of my young guys will have stepped up to a solid #1 role and make my squad even tougher.

We'll agree to disagree - I'd rather have 7 of those 11 than Harrison in dynasty.

 

[joey]

I still like him as a value pick but would not want him as my #1 WR on a dynasty team!

I totally disagree with this. I have Marvin as my #1 in my dynasty league. Other #1 WR's IMO in the league are Steve Smith, Colston, Boldin, Mushy, Burress, Ocho Cinco, Fitzgerald, Holt, TO, Roy Williams, and Berrian. Few of these recievers I would like to have over Harrison as my #1.Yeah, I would not take him as a #1 very early in an initial draft and he has very little trade value, but he has been a huge reason why I have won the points championship two straight years. When his production starts to fade, one of my young guys will have stepped up to a solid #1 role and make my squad even tougher.

We'll agree to disagree - I'd rather have 7 of those 11 than Harrison in dynasty.

Which means if you're one of the other 5 teams in the league, you'd behappy to have Harrison as your #1 WR?Harrison is a #1 WR imo regardless of format (redraft/keeper/dynasty/etc)Of course, if it's a keeper/dynasty league, you have to make sure you're liningup your future-stud WRs to take his place once his numbers do drop off. Butas of right now, he's #1-WR-worthy.

 

[BoltzNBrew]

I still like him as a value pick but would not want him as my #1 WR on a dynasty team!

I totally disagree with this. I have Marvin as my #1 in my dynasty league. Other #1 WR's IMO in the league are Steve Smith, Colston, Boldin, Mushy, Burress, Ocho Cinco, Fitzgerald, Holt, TO, Roy Williams, and Berrian. Few of these recievers I would like to have over Harrison as my #1.Yeah, I would not take him as a #1 very early in an initial draft and he has very little trade value, but he has been a huge reason why I have won the points championship two straight years. When his production starts to fade, one of my young guys will have stepped up to a solid #1 role and make my squad even tougher.

We'll agree to disagree - I'd rather have 7 of those 11 than Harrison in dynasty.

Which means if you're one of the other 5 teams in the league, you'd behappy to have Harrison as your #1 WR?Harrison is a #1 WR imo regardless of format (redraft/keeper/dynasty/etc)Of course, if it's a keeper/dynasty league, you have to make sure you're liningup your future-stud WRs to take his place once his numbers do drop off. Butas of right now, he's #1-WR-worthy.

I took Harrison at 4.09 in a startup Dynasty league. If can get 2+ years out of him and hope some of my younger WRs develop into top 10 talent it's money well spent.

 

[Christall]

I still like him as a value pick but would not want him as my #1 WR on a dynasty team!

I totally disagree with this. I have Marvin as my #1 in my dynasty league. Other #1 WR's IMO in the league are Steve Smith, Colston, Boldin, Mushy, Burress, Ocho Cinco, Fitzgerald, Holt, TO, Roy Williams, and Berrian. Few of these recievers I would like to have over Harrison as my #1.Yeah, I would not take him as a #1 very early in an initial draft and he has very little trade value, but he has been a huge reason why I have won the points championship two straight years. When his production starts to fade, one of my young guys will have stepped up to a solid #1 role and make my squad even tougher.

Who is the Berrian owner's # 2? Brandon Lloyd?

 

[stevegamer]

Marvin Harrison production notes:

Reggie Wayne really emerged opposite him and will be the Colts #1 this year.

The Colts, as usual, have a TE who can catch the ball, and a good RB out of the backfield.

There is a slot receiver who can be pretty productive at #3.

Based on this, and forecasting timeframes, Marvin has ...

-3 years of top flight production left.

After all this is what the conversation was going into 2004.

And 2005.

And 2006.

And now 2007.

I've decided Harrison is a buy low candidate in dynasty - everyone thinks the wheels are falling off, and right now the signs aren't there. In fact, all the sign shops are closed.

Lots of folks said, after he slid down to the #9 WR in 2005, that he was exiting the top 10 in 2006. He decided to go back to #1 WR again.

Harrison's career shape is, at this point, way off the charts of normal, so you need to look at the abnormal guys.

Problem is, he's got 1 comp that helps much: Jerry Rice.

Bruce might be a comp, except Harrison is better, and Bruce isn't retired, but has slowed down more.

Largent might be a comp, but the teams & eras were very different, and Largent was retired by now.

Most of the other guys who've hung around long enough to get lots of yards, simply weren't this good.

So you really get into Rice, and when his career went from stud #1 WR to a complementary guy - Rice got hurt. Okay, we're down to zero good comps.

 

[fsufan]

If anything, he may now be undervalued...as some see him as slowing down when really he's still a great player and pick as a #1 WR.

he is undervalued. I tried trading him for a first round pick and rookie WR before my leagues trade deadline last year but no takers. He only ended up the #1 FF WR

 

[joey]

I still like him as a value pick but would not want him as my #1 WR on a dynasty team!

I totally disagree with this. I have Marvin as my #1 in my dynasty league. Other #1 WR's IMO in the league are Steve Smith, Colston, Boldin, Mushy, Burress, Ocho Cinco, Fitzgerald, Holt, TO, Roy Williams, and Berrian. Few of these recievers I would like to have over Harrison as my #1.Yeah, I would not take him as a #1 very early in an initial draft and he has very little trade value, but he has been a huge reason why I have won the points championship two straight years. When his production starts to fade, one of my young guys will have stepped up to a solid #1 role and make my squad even tougher.

Who is the Berrian owner's # 2? Brandon Lloyd?

Marvin Harrison

 

[bjlmonster]

I still like him as a value pick but would not want him as my #1 WR on a dynasty team!

I totally disagree with this. I have Marvin as my #1 in my dynasty league. Other #1 WR's IMO in the league are Steve Smith, Colston, Boldin, Mushy, Burress, Ocho Cinco, Fitzgerald, Holt, TO, Roy Williams, and Berrian. Few of these recievers I would like to have over Harrison as my #1.Yeah, I would not take him as a #1 very early in an initial draft and he has very little trade value, but he has been a huge reason why I have won the points championship two straight years. When his production starts to fade, one of my young guys will have stepped up to a solid #1 role and make my squad even tougher.

Who is the Berrian owner's # 2? Brandon Lloyd?

Chambers, Andre Johnson, Randy Moss. He also has McNabb & LT, so he is a perennial playoff contender at this point.I see Harrison as the perfect canidate to do what Rice did. He does not rely on physical gifts like a guy like TO does. He is a precision route runner with great timing with a hall of fame QB. I see 2-3 more years of top 10 WR #'s

 

[thayman]

If anything, he may now be undervalued...as some see him as slowing down when really he's still a great player and pick as a #1 WR.

he is undervalued. I tried trading him for a first round pick and rookie WR before my leagues trade deadline last year but no takers. He only ended up the #1 FF WR

I've had the same problem with him. I think it's just because everyone tends to see him as being a "boring" player.

 

[turkishkamel]

I think it will take a major injury to rerail Harrison within the next few years. Even if the guy loses a step, he is such a technician and has such good hands that he can still catch 80 passes and score 10 TDs.

I've been hearing for 2-3 years now how Marvin is going to fall off and that Wayne is going to develop into a superstud to fill in the production void, but I'm just not seeing it. Every year Marvin just keeps plugging in those stud numbers.

Nope. Just age. That's all it's ever taken EVERY NFL player in history and thats all it'll take Marvin. At age 35 I believe 3 years is VERY generous. I could see him still havig a "role" on your fantasy team but it's time to begi reeling in expectations.

Why has he slowed up finishing as the #1 WR last year at the age of 34? Rice still had 3 more top 10 seasons at that age.

You might be right. But can I get you to agree that the GENERAL age of decline for WR is closer to 35 than 38? Knowing that Rice was the exception to the rule, why believe Harrison will do the same? I'm not saying he CAN'T do the same - just that odds are more likely he doesn't have even close to 3 years left producing #1 WR stats.

because harrison and rice are very similar in at least two ways. neither were burners, always great route runners who knew exactly where to be. and both worked very hard at their game. when you throw in marvins repoir with manning i think he'll be another exception to the rule. as long as he continues to be (one of) the best route runner(s) in the game and has peyton throwing him the ball i dont see a sharp decline for 2-3 years. for a contending team in a dynasty league i think marvin offers great value this year, and next.

 

[Restricted]

in dynasty I'd want him as a #3 (where he'll definitely be gone). Thanks but gimme Cotchery/Clayton instead.

Allready giving up on next season?Harrison owner. Also have Boldin and Horn. This year I went and got V. Jackson, B. Marshall and Matt Jones. I'm going to ride Harrison for at least one more season as my prospects develop.

 

[Da Guru]

1-2 more years at the same pace..then I see a drop off.

 

[Reservoir Dog]

I remember seeing an ESPN pregame special a few years ago in which Marvin admitted that he lived on a fast food diet. The film crew showed him going through various drive-thru's. For some strange reason though, Big Mac's and/or age don't seem to be slowing him down.

Personally, I think MH has a couple of great years left. I think the main reason that's a safe bet is because he has one of the greatest QB's of all-time throwing the ball to him. In a redraft, I think he's a top 10 WR, maybe top 5. In a keeper league though, I'd probably rank him just outside the top 10.

 

[-X-]

A more important question (at least for dynasty owners who don't have him) might be... Who do you see taking over for Harrison when he does hang'em up? Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall or someone not even on the Colts yet?

 

[kensat30]

Marvin Harrison is going to last longer than the average player because he starts his offseason right when the playoffs start.

But seriously, guys who can put up 95/1366/12 at age 34 shouldn't be compared to your average WR. Your average WR doesn't usually sport a virtually injury free career. And your average WR doesn't have Peyton Manning throwing to him.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

A more important question (at least for dynasty owners who don't have him) might be... Who do you see taking over for Harrison when he does hang'em up? Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall or someone not even on the Colts yet?

Obviously Gonzalez will get first crack at it. I'm not completely convinced that he will live up to their aspirations. Gonzalez has been able to feast on the lesser CBs of the Big Ten, and he's not as natural a receiver as the other top WR prospects. He might be better suited to be their next Brandon Stokely than be their next Harrison.Hall is just a novelty size/speed unknown right now. He was stuck behind Ginn, Holmes, and Gonzalez. He seems like a gamer - having blocked a punt and gotten the Jack Tatum hit of the week award on special teams. He might be better served bulking up and replacing Dallas Clark if he walks next year.

 

[Penguin]

I remember seeing an ESPN pregame special a few years ago in which Marvin admitted that he lived on a fast food diet. The film crew showed him going through various drive-thru's. For some strange reason though, Big Mac's and/or age don't seem to be slowing him down.Personally, I think MH has a couple of great years left. I think the main reason that's a safe bet is because he has one of the greatest QB's of all-time throwing the ball to him. In a redraft, I think he's a top 10 WR, maybe top 5. In a keeper league though, I'd probably rank him just outside the top 10.

Are you sure that you're not thinking of Chad Johnson here?

 

[turkishkamel]

Marvin Harrison is going to last longer than the average player because he starts his offseason right when the playoffs start. But seriously, guys who can put up 95/1366/12 at age 34 shouldn't be compared to your average WR. Your average WR doesn't usually sport a virtually injury free career. And your average WR doesn't have Peyton Manning throwing to him.

i think marvin is proving to be an exception.

 

[Biabreakable]

A more important question (at least for dynasty owners who don't have him) might be... Who do you see taking over for Harrison when he does hang'em up? Anthony Gonzalez, Roy Hall or someone not even on the Colts yet?

Obviously Gonzalez will get first crack at it. I'm not completely convinced that he will live up to their aspirations. Gonzalez has been able to feast on the lesser CBs of the Big Ten, and he's not as natural a receiver as the other top WR prospects. He might be better suited to be their next Brandon Stokely than be their next Harrison.

How is Gonzalez not a natural WR?Tell me what are Gonzalez strengths?

I would say route running and work ethic are Gonzalez 2 biggest strengths, very similar to Marvin Harrison in many ways imo.

Stokeley on the other hand was always basicly a pure burner type WR that relied mostly on his speed which could only be well exploited by using him in the slot against nickle backs or safeties, sometimes linebackers.

Curious why you are so down on Gonzalez and why you think other rookie WR this year are more "natural" than he is?

Because they use raw physical ability to make plays instead of the refined craftyness of Gonzalez?

Not seeing the negative in Gonzo's game here. Or how he won't make the transition to Marvins role when it becomes open to him.