Matt Jones (1 Viewer)

[Fear & Loathing]

Actually I have watched tape and you my friend have a years worth of posts to catch up on. He kept in shape with trainers in the off season and ran speeds like the old days. I watched a lot of his games and he was starting to emerge like Vincent Jackson did. Jones had a little catching up to do but as an athlete and a former starting SEC QB- he was a player). I can remember on this board all the negatives on Jackson when he was younger. It was rumored by many posters this past year that he was perhaps black listed by Del Rio and I felt my thread title was kind of a reference to those 2009 season threads. The slants he ran were Del Rio's punishment for Jones as they were oil and water like personalities and frankly many felt Del Rio handled him badly (Get in line with all of Del Rios' bad managements). He has breakaway speed and his previous inept qbs couldn't connect with much anyway. Jones would be better used in the mid pattern and deep stuff along with end zone targets.

Was that the player or the offense, however? He was doing what he was coached to do. Now, he's had some additional coaching and training over the last year, and I'd bet his WR training will be even better with Cinci.

I'd bet the guy still runs a sub 4.4 40 so he retains the speed necessary to stretch the field. He's faster than Chris Henry and Chad.

There's no doubt the guy doesn't get up to speed as quick as a Jackson, but on a post pattern he still will be able to be a really rough matchup

for defenders, a la Vjack.

Interesting article from Yahoo's Jason Cole today, quoting two Bengals team sources:“It was one of the worst workouts I have ever seen,” one of the sources said. “I don’t care how fast his 40 time is or was, he’s a slow-twitch athlete.”

“He obviously has great size, but not even that is much of an advantage when you don’t move very fast,” the other source said. “He’s not really the solution to what we need.”

 

[texasbirdfan]

Actually I have watched tape and you my friend have a years worth of posts to catch up on. He kept in shape with trainers in the off season and ran speeds like the old days. I watched a lot of his games and he was starting to emerge like Vincent Jackson did. Jones had a little catching up to do but as an athlete and a former starting SEC QB- he was a player). I can remember on this board all the negatives on Jackson when he was younger. It was rumored by many posters this past year that he was perhaps black listed by Del Rio and I felt my thread title was kind of a reference to those 2009 season threads. The slants he ran were Del Rio's punishment for Jones as they were oil and water like personalities and frankly many felt Del Rio handled him badly (Get in line with all of Del Rios' bad managements). He has breakaway speed and his previous inept qbs couldn't connect with much anyway. Jones would be better used in the mid pattern and deep stuff along with end zone targets.

Was that the player or the offense, however? He was doing what he was coached to do. Now, he's had some additional coaching and training over the last year, and I'd bet his WR training will be even better with Cinci.

I'd bet the guy still runs a sub 4.4 40 so he retains the speed necessary to stretch the field. He's faster than Chris Henry and Chad.

There's no doubt the guy doesn't get up to speed as quick as a Jackson, but on a post pattern he still will be able to be a really rough matchup

for defenders, a la Vjack.

Interesting article from Yahoo's Jason Cole today, quoting two Bengals team sources:“It was one of the worst workouts I have ever seen,” one of the sources said. “I don’t care how fast his 40 time is or was, he’s a slow-twitch athlete.”

“He obviously has great size, but not even that is much of an advantage when you don’t move very fast,” the other source said. “He’s not really the solution to what we need.”

Unsubstantiated journalism. The sources were not identified. Only "football people". Gotta laugh at that- must be a lot of bozos who let him sign the contract. Pure conjecture based on perceived past performances. I guess this thread needs to be revisited in August for the real answer.

 

[massraider]

Unsubstantiated journalism. The sources were not identified. Only "football people".

He musta made it up then. Never heard of "unnamed sources" before.

 

[ohioplayer]

I'm not sure what Jones is worth right now, but I can tell you this,

there some serious bidding wars going on for him, over in zealots.

 

[texasbirdfan]

Unsubstantiated journalism. The sources were not identified. Only "football people".

He musta made it up then. Never heard of "unnamed sources" before.

Yea. Some people only believe what they read. It must be true then.

 

[ohioplayer]

I was a big fan of Matt Jones, drafted him in his rookie year, held onto him for several years,

everytime he would show some promise, there would be a set-back.I now own him in 2 leagues,

but I won't be holding my breath

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Unsubstantiated journalism. The sources were not identified. Only "football people".

He musta made it up then. Never heard of "unnamed sources" before.

Yea. Some people only believe what they read. It must be true then.

I covered the Jags almost every game in 2008. Matt Jones simply doesn't have the speed he once had. He's no longer the downfield threat he once was either. The eye in the sky doesn't lie.

 

[massraider]

Unsubstantiated journalism. The sources were not identified. Only "football people".

He musta made it up then. Never heard of "unnamed sources" before.

Yea. Some people only believe what they read. It must be true then.

Yeah, like, "He runs a 4.37."The guy is slow.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Actually I have watched tape and you my friend have a years worth of posts to catch up on. He kept in shape with trainers in the off season and ran speeds like the old days. I watched a lot of his games and he was starting to emerge like Vincent Jackson did. Jones had a little catching up to do but as an athlete and a former starting SEC QB- he was a player). I can remember on this board all the negatives on Jackson when he was younger. It was rumored by many posters this past year that he was perhaps black listed by Del Rio and I felt my thread title was kind of a reference to those 2009 season threads. The slants he ran were Del Rio's punishment for Jones as they were oil and water like personalities and frankly many felt Del Rio handled him badly (Get in line with all of Del Rios' bad managements). He has breakaway speed and his previous inept qbs couldn't connect with much anyway. Jones would be better used in the mid pattern and deep stuff along with end zone targets.

Was that the player or the offense, however? He was doing what he was coached to do. Now, he's had some additional coaching and training over the last year, and I'd bet his WR training will be even better with Cinci.

I'd bet the guy still runs a sub 4.4 40 so he retains the speed necessary to stretch the field. He's faster than Chris Henry and Chad.

There's no doubt the guy doesn't get up to speed as quick as a Jackson, but on a post pattern he still will be able to be a really rough matchup

for defenders, a la Vjack.

Interesting article from Yahoo's Jason Cole today, quoting two Bengals team sources:“It was one of the worst workouts I have ever seen,” one of the sources said. “I don’t care how fast his 40 time is or was, he’s a slow-twitch athlete.”

“He obviously has great size, but not even that is much of an advantage when you don’t move very fast,” the other source said. “He’s not really the solution to what we need.”

Unsubstantiated journalism. The sources were not identified. Only "football people". Gotta laugh at that- must be a lot of bozos who let him sign the contract. Pure conjecture based on perceived past performances. I guess this thread needs to be revisited in August for the real answer.

Jason Cole is a pretty respected jopurnalist who has broke/covered some major stories. I like Matt Jones, but I doubt Coles is making up sources.

 

[Wadsworth]

Actually I have watched tape and you my friend have a years worth of posts to catch up on. He kept in shape with trainers in the off season and ran speeds like the old days. I watched a lot of his games and he was starting to emerge like Vincent Jackson did. Jones had a little catching up to do but as an athlete and a former starting SEC QB- he was a player). I can remember on this board all the negatives on Jackson when he was younger. It was rumored by many posters this past year that he was perhaps black listed by Del Rio and I felt my thread title was kind of a reference to those 2009 season threads. The slants he ran were Del Rio's punishment for Jones as they were oil and water like personalities and frankly many felt Del Rio handled him badly (Get in line with all of Del Rios' bad managements). He has breakaway speed and his previous inept qbs couldn't connect with much anyway. Jones would be better used in the mid pattern and deep stuff along with end zone targets.

Was that the player or the offense, however? He was doing what he was coached to do. Now, he's had some additional coaching and training over the last year, and I'd bet his WR training will be even better with Cinci.

I'd bet the guy still runs a sub 4.4 40 so he retains the speed necessary to stretch the field. He's faster than Chris Henry and Chad.

There's no doubt the guy doesn't get up to speed as quick as a Jackson, but on a post pattern he still will be able to be a really rough matchup

for defenders, a la Vjack.

Interesting article from Yahoo's Jason Cole today, quoting two Bengals team sources:“It was one of the worst workouts I have ever seen,” one of the sources said. “I don’t care how fast his 40 time is or was, he’s a slow-twitch athlete.”

“He obviously has great size, but not even that is much of an advantage when you don’t move very fast,” the other source said. “He’s not really the solution to what we need.”

And yet they signed him. Are we really suppose to give more weight to the quotes from unnamed sources in one article than the fact that the team offered him a contract?EDIT: This quote stuck from the article:

What that means is that Jones, who is a repeat offender in the NFL’s substance abuse program and did not play in 2009, doesn’t move very quickly over short areas, such as the 10- and 20-yard areas where most pass routes are run.

To start, I wasn't aware that Matt was a repeat offender in the substance abuse program. Secondly, Matt's times of 1.55 in 10 yards and 2.54 in 20 yards were among the fastest at his combine. He also jumped 39.5 inches and had near 11 feet in the broad jump. That's not slow or "slow twitch". People keep saying he is slow and the stopwatch keeps saying he is fast.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

People are going to want to project numbers or what his upside is, I think a simple outlook would be something like this...a couple of good games, maybe the 75/TD type games during the year, a lot of avg weeks where he could do something like 3/42 and you get minimal impact for your roster.

The reality of Cinci is that thye have become a power running team. Palmer saw his stats fall way off, and I can't think of a lot of games where 2 WRs from Cinci were really worth starting. I think you temper a lot of enthusiasm here and just root for Matt Jones as a person, that he can contribute to this team and maybe in a crunch situation he makes a big catch and shows that he has turned his life around.

I'm rooting for him but I don't see a lot of impact here FF POV anyways.

 

[switz]

EDIT: This quote stuck from the article:

What that means is that Jones, who is a repeat offender in the NFL’s substance abuse program and did not play in 2009, doesn’t move very quickly over short areas, such as the 10- and 20-yard areas where most pass routes are run.

To start, I wasn't aware that Matt was a repeat offender in the substance abuse program.

First offense 7/10/2008, second offense 3/9/2009.

Secondly, Matt's times of 1.55 in 10 yards and 2.54 in 20 yards were among the fastest at his combine. He also jumped 39.5 inches and had near 11 feet in the broad jump. That's not slow or "slow twitch". People keep saying he is slow and the stopwatch keeps saying he is fast.

I'm wondering how you can keep using numbers from FIVE YEARS AGO to try to prove he is fast TODAY. It doesn't matter what he did in 2005 - what matters is what he can do today. I think this article which says the Bengals plan on using him at TE would indicate they don't see him as a guy with WR speed anymore.

 

[Wadsworth]

EDIT: This quote stuck from the article:

What that means is that Jones, who is a repeat offender in the NFL’s substance abuse program and did not play in 2009, doesn’t move very quickly over short areas, such as the 10- and 20-yard areas where most pass routes are run.

To start, I wasn't aware that Matt was a repeat offender in the substance abuse program.

First offense 7/10/2008, second offense 3/9/2009.

Secondly, Matt's times of 1.55 in 10 yards and 2.54 in 20 yards were among the fastest at his combine. He also jumped 39.5 inches and had near 11 feet in the broad jump. That's not slow or "slow twitch". People keep saying he is slow and the stopwatch keeps saying he is fast.

I'm wondering how you can keep using numbers from FIVE YEARS AGO to try to prove he is fast TODAY. It doesn't matter what he did in 2005 - what matters is what he can do today. I think this article which says the Bengals plan on using him at TE would indicate they don't see him as a guy with WR speed anymore.

3/9/2009 is the date of the incident. I haven't been able to find anything that confirms that Matt drinking a beer in violation of court mandated treatment qualifies as a second strike in the NFL substance abuse program. As far as the speed, those numbers are the most recent confirmed numbers. Matt hasn't suffered any serious injury that might slow him down and is still quite young by athletic standard so I have a hard time understand why you assume he's slowed down. He is a long strider and has been called slow since well before the NFL combine, yet the combine numbers remain. But the response to toward the reporter who was basically saying that Matt's 40 time at the combine was fast, but he wasn't fast in terms of 10 or 20. Which of course completely ignores that Matt's 10 and 20 yard times at the same combine were fast as well.

 

[massraider]

People keep saying he is slow and the stopwatch keeps saying he is fast.

The stopwatch said it once, 5 years ago. Since then, a bunch of film says he's not that fast.

 

[switz]

3/9/2009 is the date of the incident. I haven't been able to find anything that confirms that Matt drinking a beer in violation of court mandated treatment qualifies as a second strike in the NFL substance abuse program.

It is according to the NFL.First line of General Policy.

The illegal use of drugs and the abuse of prescription drugs, over-the-counter drugs, and alcohol (hereinafter referred to as "substances of abuse") is prohibited [ftnt 1] for players in the National Football League ("NFL"). Moreover, the use of alcohol may be prohibited for individual players in certain situations where clinically indicated in accordance with the terms of this Policy.

Since use of alcohol was against his probation, it was illegal. In addition, he fit the criteria of the use of alcohol in certain situations... given that he was currently in the substance abuse program already.

As far as the speed, those numbers are the most recent confirmed numbers. Matt hasn't suffered any serious injury that might slow him down and is still quite young by athletic standard so I have a hard time understand why you assume he's slowed down. He is a long strider and has been called slow since well before the NFL combine, yet the combine numbers remain. But the response to toward the reporter who was basically saying that Matt's 40 time at the combine was fast, but he wasn't fast in terms of 10 or 20. Which of course completely ignores that Matt's 10 and 20 yard times at the same combine were fast as well.

I never assumed he slowed down, I only took issue with you using 5 year old numbers to insist he hasn't. Slowing down isn't cause merely by injury, it's caused by numerous other factors, including age, lack of maintenance (exercise), minor injuries that may not even be disclosed on an injury report. There are tons of things that could cause a player to slow down, that it's unreasonable IMO to insist 5 year old numbers are current.Additionally, football speed is very different than track speed, as has been demonstrated numerous times. I don't know whether he's slower in a 10, 20, or 40 yard dash or not, but I do know from watching him only two years ago (much more recent than 5) that he certainly doesn't look fast, and in 4 years playing he's never come close to 1,000 yards or double digit TDs. Now they are talking about moving him to TE, and that certainly doesn't indicate they feel he's a playmaker. Nothing about his YPR indicates he's fast, nothing about his numbers at all indicate he's fast.

As I stated earlier: most OVERRATED wide receiver in FF.

 

[ChargersOH]

People keep saying he is slow and the stopwatch keeps saying he is fast.

The stopwatch said it once, 5 years ago. Since then, a bunch of film says he's not that fast.

Here's a bunch of real film for you.
Plus the dude is supposedly in better shape now.

The problem isn't speed, it's routes and QB play that have killed him. A lot will depend how much he'll have progressed as a WR. He has the tools. It depends on if he's got the work ethic and can run the routes needed at this level.

 

[Jeff Tefertiller]

People keep saying he is slow and the stopwatch keeps saying he is fast.

The stopwatch said it once, 5 years ago. Since then, a bunch of film says he's not that fast.

Here's a bunch of real film for you.

I do not know the numbers, but I think Jones weighs quite a bit more now than his Hog days.

 

[ChargersOH]

I do not know the numbers, but I think Jones weighs quite a bit more now than his Hog days.

235 for a guy 6'6 vs 220 isn't a huge deal. Especially if that's non bulk muscle. Adrian Peterson is 220 and 6 feet or so. Is he slow from that weight? Should be be 195?I'd be willing to bet Jones it's pretty close to 4.4 still, if he's been training as hard as reported.It'll be interesting to see how he progresses this offseason with Cinci. If he has matured and works hard, I'd bet he can fill Housh's shoes nicely. Housh, who by the way ran a 4.61 40 at the combine. If Jones hasn't matured, well athletic ability or no he'll probably be done for good.

 

[massraider]

People keep saying he is slow and the stopwatch keeps saying he is fast.

The stopwatch said it once, 5 years ago. Since then, a bunch of film says he's not that fast.

Here's a bunch of real film for you.

Did you seriously just post college highlights? He ain't that fast anymore.

 

[road warrior]

I was waiting for someone to pick him up last year.... and waited, and waited.

So, riddle me this. What makes him any more interesting now than last year when no one wanted him?

 

[finito]

What makes him any more interesting now than last year when no one wanted him?

He is now playing for an NFL team?

 

[QuizGuy66]

That's an interesting tidbit about the Bengals using him at Tight End.

Jacksonville fans - not that folks generally focus on this, but how was he as a downfield blocker? Given that his size is not that of a typical blocking TE, I assume that he's probably going to play the role that they had envisioned for Utecht when they signed him.

-QG

 

[road warrior]

What makes him any more interesting now than last year when no one wanted him?

He is now playing for an NFL team?

Let me rephrase this.... what is different about his attributes that weren't there last year? Is he in better shape? Better work ethic? I heard he was badly out of shape last year, but who knows. I also see where the OP put in small print he may have been blacklisted? I have a hard time believing that, since one of the teams interested in him were the Titans who took another look this year.

 

[babydemon90]

What makes him any more interesting now than last year when no one wanted him?

He is now playing for an NFL team?

Let me rephrase this.... what is different about his attributes that weren't there last year? Is he in better shape? Better work ethic? I heard he was badly out of shape last year, but who knows. I also see where the OP put in small print he may have been blacklisted? I have a hard time believing that, since one of the teams interested in him were the Titans who took another look this year.

They may have wanted to wait a year to make sure he kept his nose clean? I doubt he'll be of much FF value regardless. I suspect he can at least replicate what Coles did, at a much cheaper price. No guarantee he even makes the final roster, either.

 

[FTRWRTR]

What makes him any more interesting now than last year when no one wanted him?

He is now playing for an NFL team?

Let me rephrase this.... what is different about his attributes that weren't there last year? Is he in better shape? Better work ethic? I heard he was badly out of shape last year, but who knows. I also see where the OP put in small print he may have been blacklisted? I have a hard time believing that, since one of the teams interested in him were the Titans who took another look this year.

They may have wanted to wait a year to make sure he kept his nose clean?

That's what I think...they wanted to see if his change would last or not

 

[Gopher State]

Here's to hoping he makes it

 

[D'OHtis]

They may have wanted to wait a year to make sure he kept his nose clean? I doubt he'll be of much FF value regardless. I suspect he can at least replicate what Coles did, at a much cheaper price. No guarantee he even makes the final roster, either.

My thinking as well. Won't take much to repeat what Coles did [JMO Caldwell will surpass that in 2010]. Only way IMO Jones makes a FF impact whatsoever is if Ocho gets hurt. #1] Year away is going to kill his fantasy career [i'm sure someone will bring up Antonio Bryant.....I don't think Jones is that caliber of WR nor has that work ethic or passion for the game. Bryant could pretty much be countered with a slew of teamless skill position players that were never heard from again]. #2 Carson Palmer was absymal in 2009 and no reason to expect improvement and #3 I think Caldwell's vastly superior at underneath routes. Just my 2cents is that Cincy doesn't know what their problems are [part of that is acknowledging the most obvious one -- the quick deterioration of Carson's physical skills].

 

[cobalt_27]

I'd bet the guy still runs a sub 4.4 40 so he retains the speed necessary to stretch the field. He's faster than Chris Henry and Chad.EDIT: This quote stuck from the article:

What that means is that Jones, who is a repeat offender in the NFL’s substance abuse program and did not play in 2009, doesn’t move very quickly over short areas, such as the 10- and 20-yard areas where most pass routes are run.

To start, I wasn't aware that Matt was a repeat offender in the substance abuse program. Secondly, Matt's times of 1.55 in 10 yards and 2.54 in 20 yards were among the fastest at his combine. He also jumped 39.5 inches and had near 11 feet in the broad jump. That's not slow or "slow twitch". People keep saying he is slow and the stopwatch keeps saying he is fast.

Cracks me up how much of a hard-on you have for this guy.

 

[FUBAR]

People keep saying he is slow and the stopwatch keeps saying he is fast.

The stopwatch said it once, 5 years ago. Since then, a bunch of film says he's not that fast.

Here's a bunch of real film for you.

I'm not sure he has the tools, he has the natural ability. His problem has been pure laziness. You give a guy like Hines Ward the natural ability Jones has and you have one of the best WRs ever, but natural ability only goes as far as you're willing to work. As a Jones owner, I hope he does. I'd trade him but with Caldwell also on my team and Jones not bringing much in value, it makes more sense IMO to keep him and hope for the best.

 

[Gopher State]

Bengals | M. Jones not guaranteed anything

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Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:00:26 -0800

Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said WR Matt Jones has to earn his way onto the final roster next season. "We're not locked into him. We're only investing in his chance for him to make it. That's what you should be doing this time of year," Lewis said.

Wow, sounds like Jones isn't even a lock to make the team.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Bengals | M. Jones not guaranteed anything Comment (0) Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:00:26 -0800Geoff Hobson, of Bengals.com, reports Cincinnati Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said WR Matt Jones has to earn his way onto the final roster next season. "We're not locked into him. We're only investing in his chance for him to make it. That's what you should be doing this time of year," Lewis said. Wow, sounds like Jones isn't even a lock to make the team.

He shouldn't be a lock - he hasn't done anything yet. Like this quote by Marvin and like that they are being more proactive in the offseason.-QG

 

[Mike63]

With Antonio Bryant now a Bengal, which value has Matt Jones?

 

[ChargersOH]

With Antonio Bryant now a Bengal, which value has Matt Jones?

I'd still say he has pretty good potential value.He'll be getting a lot of 1v1 and is 6'6 guy, with good 40 speed. Plus, by week 6 Bryant will probably be hurt, so he'll probably be at the #2 WR. He did decent in his last starts with Jax with a much less friendly pass offense.That's if he's got his act together and is working hard. If he's not motivated, it won't matter who the other WRs are, he'll be out on the street.

 

[ScottyFargo]

With Antonio Bryant now a Bengal, which value has Matt Jones?

I'd still say he has pretty good potential value.He'll be getting a lot of 1v1 and is 6'6 guy, with good 40 speed. Plus, by week 6 Bryant will probably be hurt, so he'll probably be at the #2 WR. He did decent in his last starts with Jax with a much less friendly pass offense.That's if he's got his act together and is working hard. If he's not motivated, it won't matter who the other WRs are, he'll be out on the street.

 

[FUBAR]

With Antonio Bryant now a Bengal, which value has Matt Jones?

I'd still say he has pretty good potential value.He'll be getting a lot of 1v1 and is 6'6 guy, with good 40 speed. Plus, by week 6 Bryant will probably be hurt, so he'll probably be at the #2 WR. He did decent in his last starts with Jax with a much less friendly pass offense.That's if he's got his act together and is working hard. If he's not motivated, it won't matter who the other WRs are, he'll be out on the street.

As an owner of Caldwell, Matt Jones and Antonio Bryant in one league I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Maybe I'll trade for ocho?

 

[Wadsworth]

Matt Jones needs to make the team first. His signing with the Bengals is little more than a tryout at this point. They can cut him with almost not damage.

 

[ChargersOH]

As an owner of Caldwell, Matt Jones and Antonio Bryant in one league I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Maybe I'll trade for ocho?

You, sir, like the high risk dangerous stocks I take it. That's all well and good, but I wouldn't trust Palmer enough to put all my eggs in the Cinci WR basket.I think the best pickup this year could be Boldin. He immediately becomes the Ravens #1 and is a proven commodity, unlike the other three. Cinci and Cleveland like to give up big passing yardage. Pittsburgh's secondary isn't what it once was, also.Bryant can certainly play, but there's a number of reasons he isn't still in Tampa or any of his previous spots. The only reason Boldin was moved is contract.

 

[B-Deep]

I've just never been impressed with him, and I don;t see that changing

 

[Young 8]

With Antonio Bryant now a Bengal, which value has Matt Jones?

he had ZERO value before, now -50

 

[Holy Schneikes]

Ok, steering this thing back to fantasy football:

Dynasty leaguers, what is Matt Jones worth right now? WW fodder

What would you give for him? Nothing

What would you take for him? Anything that frees up a roster spot

I'm sure plenty could answer "Nothing/kinds words" but I think he has to have some value right now.

The truth is we don't know at this point what he's going to be worth. He could catch a lot of balls in the Housh role and as he was doing in JAX in 2008, or he could be a washout. Word is he's been working very hard on conditioning, so he hasn't been sitting around getting fat like some guys do with a year off (Mike Williams). We can't know in February how Jones will do, but we can make some educated guesses. What we do know is he has some skills and he has had some character/self-discipline issues. He'll be 27, certainly in his prime age-wise.Initially, I think it's likely he sticks, and starts, while Coles is let go and Caldwell takes a lesser role. The starting RB and TE positions don't catch many passes in Cincy, so that is a plus for WR2. Cincy is throwing less in general than in the Housh days though, so that's a minus. Also, they could sign or draft a prominent TE, or Coffman could emerge and take a lot of those balls.

And there's the concern about Palmer's elbow and whether it's really OK. As the receiver of short passes (if he starts), Jones could be a beneficiary of Palmer's seemingly limited capacity to go downfield.

I wouldn't discount Jones the way you are JohnnyU, not in February. I think that would be a mistake.

I lean more toward this. Kid can play. And I'm not beyond thinking a guy can change. Chris Henry and Cedric Benson did. Plus, it's not like he's got to change to a choir boy. We're not asking him to become Man of the Year. He just has to stay out of jail. I'd roll the dice that he can do that. Don't discount the WR learning curve (even for a college QB) that he has already under his belt when comparing him to true rookies. I'm not sure where I'd rate him, but I would definitely not discount him too much.J

Chris Henry is one of your poster boys for guys than "can change"? I get the Cedric example to some degree, but IMO Chris Henry is a perfect example to support the FAR more common scenario of "guys don't change" all that often or all that much.Assuming he was greatly talented (as most seem to) Chris in his entire career never lived up to expectations. Right up until the time he died while doing something incredibly stupid. I'm not saying the guy deserved to die or even that he was necessarily a bad person or anything like that. What I am saying is that guys who have baggage more often than not keep carrying it.

Sure, there are examples of guys who had serious issues but totally turn their lives around. But when compared to the cases of guys who have issues and eventually give way to them, it's a pretty small number.

So my approach is that I DO discount guys like Jones (and Henry) pretty heavily, just because the odds don't seem to be in their favor. That doesn't mean they (or you, as an owner) can't beat the odds, just that you have to take them into consideration when determining value.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Jones is going to have a tough time making the team IMO in this mix.

We got...

Ocho

Antoniocho

Caldwell

Jones

Simpson

Quan

Purify

Freddy Brown

rookie probably drafted in the first 3 rounds

rookie probably drafted in the last 3 rounds

My guess is that keep 6 with maybe another on the practice squad.

If you figure one of the 6 keepers will be a KR and you have Ocho, Anonio, Caldwell, and the early-pick rookie as givens, then you only have 1 spot left for Matt Jones to realistically compete for. It's probably Jones vs Simpson for that spot, but they both could totally lose out to one of the other guys.

Fantasywise, I just don't see a heck of a lot of value for Jones at this point.

-QG

 

[D'OHtis]

With Antonio Bryant now a Bengal, which value has Matt Jones?

I'd still say he has pretty good potential value.He'll be getting a lot of 1v1 and is 6'6 guy, with good 40 speed. Plus, by week 6 Bryant will probably be hurt, so he'll probably be at the #2 WR. He did decent in his last starts with Jax with a much less friendly pass offense.That's if he's got his act together and is working hard. If he's not motivated, it won't matter who the other WRs are, he'll be out on the street.

As an owner of Caldwell, Matt Jones and Antonio Bryant in one league I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Maybe I'll trade for ocho?

I'd have dealt Caldwell and Jones the moment Coles was released as it was readily apparent they were looking to upgrade the 2 spot.I'd dangle Bryant out there while his signing is fresh in minds. I don't see him much more than WR25-30 area unless Ocho is dealt. and I don't see it very likely that he'll become top banana anytime soon with the Carson/Ocho familiarity. This is now a run-first offense with a QB with a damaged wing. [Carson is what holds me back from being too excited with Bryant's 2010 prospects]On the bright side of things, the Cincy backs/TE's don't catch many passes.

 

[massraider]

The blacklisting continues!!

 

[cmv5]

The blacklisting continues!!

It makes zero sense. He plays like a taller Jermichael Finley. I still seriously think there is a club out there that can use this guy.

 

[ohioplayer]

I agree, he can help several teams. I'm wondering if a change to TE is the answer, any thoughts?

 

[massraider]

I agree, he can help several teams score coke.

That does come in handy.