Matt Ryan (1 Viewer)

[NCPanthersFan]

Anyone who watched that game had to come away even more excited for the Falcons passing attack. It was surgical. My only concern here was that if that was New England/GB or New Orleans they would have kept throwing the ball until the clock expired. It looks like Atlanta will not be doing that when maintaining a healthy lead.

Pass 1st offense - Check

Running Game Suffering - Check

Stud WR's - Check

Excellent OL protection - Check

Suspect Defense - Check (Grimes now out for the year)

 

[Captain Hook]

Really? after one game you want to give him the crown?

 

[NCPanthersFan]

Anyone who watched that game had to come away even more excited for the Falcons passing attack. It was surgical. My only concern here was that if that was New England/GB or New Orleans they would have kept throwing the ball until the clock expired. It looks like Atlanta will not be doing that when maintaining a healthy lead.Pass 1st offense - CheckRunning Game Suffering - CheckStud WR's - CheckExcellent OL protection - CheckSuspect Defense - Check

I do. Much like after watching Stafford in his 1st game last year. It was a home run. Sure I am exaggerating for effect a little on the #1 callout but he looks like a solid top 3 and is putting smiles on the faces of those who passed on Rodgers/Brady/Brees with those top 5 picks. it was a special outing for those who were expecting it Ryan to take that next step to elite.

 

[The Ref]

I'm happy to have him. I think he is going to have a great year. I *think* he has Top 4 upside. But lets leave it at that after just one game. It's one game.

 

[Apple Jack]

Anyone who watched that game had to come away even more excited for the Falcons passing attack. It was surgical. My only concern here was that if that was New England/GB or New Orleans they would have kept throwing the ball until the clock expired. It looks like Atlanta will not be doing that when maintaining a healthy lead.Pass 1st offense - CheckRunning Game Suffering - CheckStud WR's - CheckExcellent OL protection - CheckSuspect Defense - Check

I do. Much like after watching Stafford in his 1st game last year. It was a home run. Sure I am exaggerating for effect a little on the #1 callout but he looks like a solid top 3 and is putting smiles on the faces of those who passed on Rodgers/Brady/Brees with those top 5 picks. it was a special outing for those who were expecting it Ryan to take that next step to elite.

Stafford wasn't the top QB last year.

 

[solorca]

If he was really #1, he would have thrown for one extra yard to give fantasy owners the 300 yard passing bonus point!

Seriously though, he played a great game and it's definitely something to be excited about if you own him...but as with everything this week, it's only one game. I want to wait until I see Ryan's play when he's playing a defensive front that puts a lot of pressure on him. That's where he's typically struggled in the past.

 

[MAC_32]

The hobbled Chiefs defense has me saying tap the breaks, I want to see him do this against a real D. Encouraging since there may not be one in his division though.

 

[ponchsox]

 

[meyerj31]

Easy there, hoss. While it was impressive, they played a team missing two defensive pro-bowlers. I think we should see half a season first before giving him the crown.

I am pretty happy with the team where I have the Ryan/Julio connection, though. I nearly doubled the points of other teams in the league this week.

 

[NCPanthersFan]

Understand the hesitation all around. All I am saying is that based on this weekend no other team looked more prepared to win games through the air than Atlanta did. All the yards and points were surgical - no broken plays leading to big stats. Compared to the rest of the passing attacks on display yesterday they looked more in-synch.

For anyone expecting Ryan & Atlanta to take that next step towards elite - this was clear evidence that he will.

 

[Mello]

Ryan and the Falcon offense looked good yesterday, but they have in the past too. Ryan will be a solid play, as he's been for a while. Going to take a lot more than yesterday to make me think he'll be #1, or even in the top 5.

 

[shader]

Kansas City....Without Flowers....tap the brakes

 

[NCPanthersFan]

http://rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/41336/131/ryan-keeping-up-with-the-jones?pg=1

 

[bigfeet_88]

Pass 1st offense - CheckRunning Game Suffering - CheckStud WR's - CheckExcellent OL protection - CheckSuspect Defense - Check

This is the same as Rogers except he faced the Niners. As you said though, GB will keep throwing.

 

[Run It Up]

Play the Chiefs every week -

 

[Stinkin Ref]

when his ADP started creeping into the round 3-4 range instead of the round 5-6 range, I was kind of hammered in some other Ryan threads for saying that I thought he still represented some value...but for me it was more about where he was being taken compared to other QB's as opposed to what "round" he was going in....with many of the other top QB's you had to burn a 1st or 2nd round pick....

those owners who were able to lock up 2-3 solid players at other positions and then able to still get Ryan in the 3rd or 4th will still be rewarded...let alone if you were still able to get him after that....

I agree to a certain extent that the brakes do need to be tapped ever so slightly....I am a KC fan and I knew we would see what we saw yesterday...however, I also think there are times where we get smacked in the face with things that are pretty obvious....and this has been one of them for some time now....this team is going to be a prolific passing team this year....we have seen the indications all summer/preseason.....those that chose to get on board will reap the rewards....those that ignored it and continued to hide their head in the sand and wanted to take a wait and see approach, he hasn't ever done it before, he can't handle a pass rush, they still have Turner, etc... will be left on the outside looking in....

this really shouldn't be about coming into a thread after week one and pounding chests saying "I told you so" it should be more about the fantasy lesssons we learn sometimes.....

sometimes I think in this day and age of fantasy information overload, we overanalyze things, rely too much on what has happened "in the past", past statistical seasons, career highs, etc... and we sometimes over look things that appear pretty obvious....this passing game going bonkers this year is one of those....

in this day and age where even the casual fantasy player can show up on draft day and have gathered some pretty basic information/cheatsheets, etc....it is almost more important to be ahead of the curve and jump on things that pass the eye ball test....this should have passed the eye ball test for us all....waiting until NEXT YEAR to get on the Ryan bandwagon doesn't do you any good.....Ryan was definatley not as good of a deal as Stafford was last year as his ADP starting climbing huge after the preseason he and Julio put up....but that climb was justified....it probably should have even been higher....

lastly I know people don't like to look ahead at schedules....and things change....but their schedule is nice...

 

[Concept Coop]

They played the Cheifs, who lost Carr in the off-season, and were missing Flowers and Hali, due to injury.

Aside from a flukely TD run, he was outperformed by Tony Romo, who played against better competition, with weapons at less than 100%.

 

[robertd52]

They played the Cheifs, who lost Carr in the off-season, and were missing Flowers and Hali, due to injury.Aside from a flukely TD run, he was outperformed by Tony Romo, who played against better competition, with weapons at less than 100%.

To be fair, romo was playing against 5th string cb's....

 

[Stinkin Ref]

They played the Cheifs, who lost Carr in the off-season, and were missing Flowers and Hali, due to injury.Aside from a flukely TD run, he was outperformed by Tony Romo, who played against better competition, with weapons at less than 100%.

call the rushing TD fluky if you want but he missed a wide open Julio Jones (ball had to slip) prior to that that would have been a 4th TD passing for him....and the third for Julio....and the fact that he was able to get that rushing TD because he was once again dropping back to pass in the red zone instead of handing off to Turner should also tell you something about how they really plan to attack the end zone in the red zone.....in will be through the air....and getting those few extra passing TD's inside the 10 or even the 5 like Brady/Brees/Rodgers etc do is exactly one of the many reasons why Ryan will be makin the jump to the elite level in fantasy....

 

[Sweet Love]

I'm happy to have him. I think he is going to have a great year. I *think* he has Top 4 upside. But lets leave it at that after just one game. It's one game.

Ref,I am not picking on you in particular, but when we look at where a QB can go (as a collective group) the limit seems to be #4...i.e. 1-3 belong to Rodgers, Brees, and Brady without question. If I told someone that McCoy, Rice and Foster are tattooed at 1-3, and everyone else is vying for #4, I would catch a ton of hell (maybe we drafted that way, but we all feel that "stuff" happens). There is no reason why someone cannot break that glass ceiling, and I think that Ryan has all the tools and weapons to do so.

 

[aburt19]

I own Ryan and was very pleased with the outcome. Having said that, it was against a Chiefs team (I live in KC) that was without their best

pass rusher, who was on one game suspension, and Flowers wasn't at 100%. I do think that Ryan looks like he is headed for his best year yet, but will keep

a lid on my enthusiasm for a few more games.

It does look like the change in philosophy from pounding the ball to throwing was true, so there should be plenty of opportunities to air out the

ball.

 

[Maven]

LOL ... this post is hilarious.

For one Matt Ryan will not top Rodgers in rushing yards so thats already 1 knock.

Yes, Ryan has weapons but hes not passing as many times as Rodgers Brady or Brees. I put him at best 4th or 5th best QB. #1, puhlease

 

[JD8p]

I like Ryan's outlook this year as much as anyone - but he had a terrific pocket to throw from all day, great protection, KC down it's two best defensive players, and very soft coverage.

Week 1 is just that...week 1.

 

[Concept Coop]

They played the Cheifs, who lost Carr in the off-season, and were missing Flowers and Hali, due to injury.Aside from a flukely TD run, he was outperformed by Tony Romo, who played against better competition, with weapons at less than 100%.

call the rushing TD fluky if you want but he missed a wide open Julio Jones (ball had to slip) prior to that that would have been a 4th TD passing for him....and the third for Julio....and the fact that he was able to get that rushing TD because he was once again dropping back to pass in the red zone instead of handing off to Turner should also tell you something about how they really plan to attack the end zone in the red zone.....in will be through the air....and getting those few extra passing TD's inside the 10 or even the 5 like Brady/Brees/Rodgers etc do is exactly one of the many reasons why Ryan will be makin the jump to the elite level in fantasy....

He was 75 points off of top 5 numbers last season. A few extra passing TDs inside the 10 is not going to make that up. Again - someone tell me why I should be higher on Ryan than Romo, using week 1?

 

[solorca]

They played the Cheifs, who lost Carr in the off-season, and were missing Flowers and Hali, due to injury.Aside from a flukely TD run, he was outperformed by Tony Romo, who played against better competition, with weapons at less than 100%.

He was it a "fluky" touchdown run? He had good protection and there wasn't an open receiver...so he ran it in. That's what good quarterbacks do...make plays when the game gives them am opening.Are they fluke touchdowns when Aaron Rodgers does that a number of times a year?

 

[Concept Coop]

They played the Cheifs, who lost Carr in the off-season, and were missing Flowers and Hali, due to injury.Aside from a flukely TD run, he was outperformed by Tony Romo, who played against better competition, with weapons at less than 100%.

He was it a "fluky" touchdown run? He had good protection and there wasn't an open receiver...so he ran it in. That's what good quarterbacks do...make plays when the game gives them am opening.Are they fluke touchdowns when Aaron Rodgers does that a number of times a year?

Most QB TD runs are fluky by nature. I don't want to take it away from him - he made the right play and scored. But, I am not projecting many TD runs moving forward. And Matt Ryan is not Aaron Rodgers. Why are we saying "Matt Ryan has arrived! He's top 5!" and not "Mark Sanchez has arrived! He is top 7!"?They both put up numbers against very overmatched teams. Again, I like Ryan as a top 6-8 guy. But this game does not propell him into the top 5 catagory. Brady, Brees, and Rodgers should be obvious. Ryan doesn't pass as much as Stafford, and Newton will get major points on the ground.

 

[LHUCKS]

Classic week 1 overreaction

The Chiefs were playing with an extremely depleted secondary. there was a reason why the targets were wide open on nearly every play.

Also, the Chiefs suck.

 

[Yolkix]

lmao this is classic. I own Ryan on half my teams and have every reason to hope he finishes #1 and still think this thread is hilarious. Top 5? Certainly likely. #1? I price it maybe 20/1

 

[NCPanthersFan]

They played the Cheifs, who lost Carr in the off-season, and were missing Flowers and Hali, due to injury.

Aside from a flukely TD run, he was outperformed by Tony Romo, who played against better competition, with weapons at less than 100%.

He was it a "fluky" touchdown run? He had good protection and there wasn't an open receiver...so he ran it in. That's what good quarterbacks do...make plays when the game gives them am opening.Are they fluke touchdowns when Aaron Rodgers does that a number of times a year?

Most QB TD runs are fluky by nature. I don't want to take it away from him - he made the right play and scored. But, I am not projecting many TD runs moving forward. And Matt Ryan is not Aaron Rodgers. Why are we saying "Matt Ryan has arrived! He's top 5!" and not "Mark Sanchez has arrived! He is top 7!"?

Because those who are saying Ryan will take the jump to elite expected this. When the hype starts turns into production there is allot to be confident in. Did anyone expect Sanchez to throw for that? - NO. There is a huge difference here and you are missing the point with your comparison.

They both put up numbers against very overmatched teams.

Again, I like Ryan as a top 6-8 guy. But this game does not propell him into the top 5 catagory. Brady, Brees, and Rodgers should be obvious. Ryan doesn't pass as much as Stafford, and Newton will get major points on the ground.

Classic week 1 overreaction

The Chiefs were playing with an extremely depleted secondary. there was a reason why the targets were wide open on nearly every play.

Also, the Chiefs suck.

That is just outright false. There were plenty of tight throws.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

They played the Cheifs, who lost Carr in the off-season, and were missing Flowers and Hali, due to injury.

Aside from a flukely TD run, he was outperformed by Tony Romo, who played against better competition, with weapons at less than 100%.

call the rushing TD fluky if you want but he missed a wide open Julio Jones (ball had to slip) prior to that that would have been a 4th TD passing for him....and the third for Julio....and the fact that he was able to get that rushing TD because he was once again dropping back to pass in the red zone instead of handing off to Turner should also tell you something about how they really plan to attack the end zone in the red zone.....in will be through the air....and getting those few extra passing TD's inside the 10 or even the 5 like Brady/Brees/Rodgers etc do is exactly one of the many reasons why Ryan will be makin the jump to the elite level in fantasy....

He was 75 points off of top 5 numbers last season. A few extra passing TDs inside the 10 is not going to make that up. Again - someone tell me why I should be higher on Ryan than Romo, using week 1?

must not have read my first post....no big deal...who really cares where he finished last year...it means nothing this year...if that's what you chose to base your opinions on, so be it...I prefer to go by what is happening now/this yearI think if you really asked....most people would take Ryan right now over Romo if they had to pick...

 

[Dr. Awesome]

He was 75 points off of top 5 numbers last season. A few extra passing TDs inside the 10 is not going to make that up. Again - someone tell me why I should be higher on Ryan than Romo, using week 1?

But a few more passing touchdowns from Ryan and a few less passing touchdowns from Stafford could make that up. Stafford is by no means a lock to lead the league in passing attempts again. Cam Newton is a great red zone threat but 14 rushing touchdowns is a LOT. Drop a few off, throw a few more interceptions and Ryan could find himself jumping up a few spots.I agree #1 is crazy talk. Top 3 is extremely bold. Top 5 is something we've been debating all offseason.

 

[Dought Man]

They played the Cheifs, who lost Carr in the off-season, and were missing Flowers and Hali, due to injury.Aside from a flukely TD run, he was outperformed by Tony Romo, who played against better competition, with weapons at less than 100%.

So..if he shoveled a pass to Gonzalez instead of running through the wide open lane...that would not be "flukey" ?

 

[Stinkin Ref]

and for the record...I am not supporting the claim that started this thread that he may end up #1....although it is possible....I think he will be top 5....I just think he will prove to have provided value compared to where the QB's ahead of him were drafted...

 

[LHUCKS]

Based on this thread, I would be selling high on Matt Ryan...sounds like you can get a top RB for the "#1 QB".

 

[jurb26]

Stop the press! M. Ryan and T. Romo had steller weeks 1 games vs. teams with decimated secondary and defensive units.

It's week 1. Yeah, Ryan is going to have a good year but can we use a little context in these threads?

 

[Run It Up]

Based on this thread, I would be selling high on Matt Ryan...sounds like you can get a top RB for the "#1 QB".

Still trying to figure out if I can get 1/2 Ryans value right now with Romo... The Ryan hype allowed me to draft 2/3 of Romo/Rivers/Peyton in almost every league.

 

[Concept Coop]

They played the Cheifs, who lost Carr in the off-season, and were missing Flowers and Hali, due to injury.Aside from a flukely TD run, he was outperformed by Tony Romo, who played against better competition, with weapons at less than 100%.

So..if he shoveled a pass to Gonzalez instead of running through the wide open lane...that would not be "flukey" ?

Account for the rushing TD however you will, use it to project however you will - it really doesn't matter. The Falcons played against a horrible defense. Ryan played very well. It was still one game. I don't think he is top 5. Lot of people do.

 

[solorca]

This just in: Brent Grimes has been placed on IR for the year.

Grimes going out means more scoring against the Falcons, and hopefully for Ryan, more point scoring opportunities.

 

[Concept Coop]

1A. Rodgers

1B. Brees

1C. Brady

I think we all agree that these 3 will finish ahead of Ryan (except for the OP).

4A. Stafford

4B. Newton

Stafford threw his arm off yesterday, and that will continue. He is a lock to throw more than Ryan, and I don't think Ryan's per attempt numbers will be able to make up the difference.

Newton averaged 13 points/game on the ground last season. I don't think he scored a full point yesterday, from what I remember.

I understand the argument for Ryan as top 5, but I think the other 2 have better odds, for the reasons I mentioned above. He is right there with Romo, Eli, and maybe Peyton, but behind the top 3, in my opinion.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

1A. Rodgers1B. Brees1C. BradyI think we all agree that these 3 will finish ahead of Ryan (except for the OP). 4A. Stafford4B. NewtonStafford threw his arm off yesterday, and that will continue. He is a lock to throw more than Ryan, and I don't think Ryan's per attempt numbers will be able to make up the difference.Newton averaged 13 points/game on the ground last season. I don't think he scored a full point yesterday, from what I remember. I understand the argument for Ryan as top 5, but I think the other 2 have better odds, for the reasons I mentioned above. He is right there with Romo, Eli, and maybe Peyton, but behind the top 3, in my opinion.

Actually, if the Patriots' defense really is improved and they really plan on running more/only throwing 30 times a game, then Ryan could easily finish in front of Brady.

 

[NCPanthersFan]

1A. Rodgers1B. Brees1C. BradyI think we all agree that these 3 will finish ahead of Ryan (except for the OP). 4A. Stafford4B. NewtonStafford threw his arm off yesterday, and that will continue. He is a lock to throw more than Ryan, and I don't think Ryan's per attempt numbers will be able to make up the difference.Newton averaged 13 points/game on the ground last season. I don't think he scored a full point yesterday, from what I remember. I understand the argument for Ryan as top 5, but I think the other 2 have better odds, for the reasons I mentioned above. He is right there with Romo, Eli, and maybe Peyton, but behind the top 3, in my opinion.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that take other than the fact I am a little more concerned about Cam Newton.

 

[Concept Coop]

Actually, if the Patriots' defense really is improved and they really plan on running more/only throwing 30 times a game, then Ryan could easily finish in front of Brady.

Easily? How likely would you say it is? I would say Brady is the 2-1 favorite, for my money.His weapons are on par with Ryan's, he has thrown more in the past, and he is easily the better, more producting player.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

not sure "fantasy wise" and fantasy wise only.... that I would trade Ryan for any QB not named Rodgers, Brees, or Brady right now.....and honestly I might not do it for Brady at this point....fantasy schedule plays a part in this for me...not only do I LOVE ATL schedule....Brady gets HOU defense wek 14 and the SF defense week 15...just IMO

 

[Stinkin Ref]

concept coop....if you had to pick right now your fantasy QB for the rest of the year, would you really take Romo over Ryan...?

 

[Concept Coop]

concept coop....if you had to pick right now your fantasy QB for the rest of the year, would you really take Romo over Ryan...?

No. But I think they're neck and neck. I don't think one is any more likely than the other to finish top 5. I just think Ryan is a bit safer, due to Romo's offensive line. If you told me Romo would get the protection he needed, however, I would gladly take Romo over Ryan. I would take Eli over Ryan, today, however.

 

[FavreCo]

The hobbled Chiefs defense has me saying tap the breaks, I want to see him do this against a real D. Encouraging since there may not be one in his division though.

Could be a while. Easiest passing schedule for 2012.

 

[Concept Coop]

The hobbled Chiefs defense has me saying tap the breaks, I want to see him do this against a real D. Encouraging since there may not be one in his division though.

Could be a while. Easiest passing schedule for 2012.

Using 2011 numbers, which suggested KC was top 10.

 

[DevilintheDetail]

Actually, if the Patriots' defense really is improved and they really plan on running more/only throwing 30 times a game, then Ryan could easily finish in front of Brady.

Easily? How likely would you say it is? I would say Brady is the 2-1 favorite, for my money.His weapons are on par with Ryan's, he has thrown more in the past, and he is easily the better, more producting player.

I said "easily" if those conditions were met. Yes, if the Pats defense is better, they run the ball better, and Brady only throws 30 times a game, I think Matt Ryan will end up with better numbers.

 

[Concept Coop]

I said "easily" if those conditions were met. Yes, if the Pats defense is better, they run the ball better, and Brady only throws 30 times a game, I think Matt Ryan will end up with better numbers.

Fair enough. That is a lot of "ifs" however. Too many for my tastes - I'll take Brady and sleep comfortably.

 

[Stinkin Ref]

concept coop....if you had to pick right now your fantasy QB for the rest of the year, would you really take Romo over Ryan...?

No. But I think they're neck and neck. I don't think one is any more likely than the other to finish top 5. I just think Ryan is a bit safer, due to Romo's offensive line. If you told me Romo would get the protection he needed, however, I would gladly take Romo over Ryan. I would take Eli over Ryan, today, however.

(bolded)....obviously we don't get to do this in fantasy....so it's not worth discussingso I assume this is how you see it fantasy wise for the rest of this year...

Rodgers

Brees

Brady

Stafford

Newton

Eli

Ryan

Romo

Ryan finishing 7th...?