Matt Waldman: 75% chance Bridgwater falls due to racism (1 Viewer)

[MoveToSkypager]

 

[mr roboto]

^ I will keep nested quotes to a minimum. I don't know what Waldman actually thinks would motivate a fan or Internet poster to rank Teddy lower than he has him ranked. But we aren't choosing Teddy as an employee for our company. We don't have any real stake in the choice. He knows that racial controversy is offensive. A claim of systematic racism is controversial. I still don't see how any of us can believe that Waldman thinks we are racist if we personally feel Teddy isn't the best QB in the draft. Maybe I'm not sensitive enough. I can hear someone's opinion and not get offended, especially if that opinion is IN NO WAY AIMED AT ME.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/06/27/walk-on-the-wildside-hernandez-deen-paulette-and-orcas/

Thanks. It seems he'd rather just write a column for the NYT instead of doing the RSP. Maybe he should send a resume or something.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/06/27/walk-on-the-wildside-hernandez-deen-paulette-and-orcas/

Good lord

 

[Neofight]

Well, after considering his podcast, his response to this thread, his 2012 article, and his most recent article http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/03/25/how-to-find-your-mercedes/ ...putting this all together, I think it's safe to assume Waldman has Bridgewater ranked comfortably as his #1 QB in his RSP. Which means, if Bridgewater isn't the first QB selected and/or he falls out of the top-15, then Waldman will feel vindicated that NFL execs and GMs are a bunch of racist fools.

And, if Bridgewater is selected QB1 and in the top-10, then the 25% safety net kicks in, and Waldman will still maintain that NFL execs and GMs are a bunch of racist fools.

Incidentally, I'm not sure what Waldman's issue is with the NFC exec who referred to Leftwich as "soft," if it meant he missed a lot of time to injury. We all know about and remember the heroics he put on at Marshall playing on a broken leg. That ain't soft, that's one tough sob. In that regard. However, Leftwich's NFL career was marred by at least 32 weeks where he was listed as either on the IR or "doubtful," or "out" due to injury (e.g., ribs, elbow, tailbone, ankle, knee). By that standard maybe "soft" has nothing to do with race, but simply reflects that the guy was injury-prone and that the NFC exec has the same concerns for Bridgewater, who had an assortment of ankle, thumb, and wrist injuries and probably needs to fill out his frame a bit to survive the pros for a long time as a franchise QB.

Or, maybe Waldman's right, and the exec is a racist.

Can you please quote where Matt said that NFL execs were "a bunch of racist fools" or even strongly implied that?His position was far more subtle than any of that. I know some people think his position was outrageous, but the counterpoints have reached just as "ridiculous" of a level of hyperbole and foolishness.

If you haven't heard Waldman's podcast comments or read his response here or read the Mercedes article, you should. His implication throughout is that execs are making foolish arguments and decisions based on race. I don't see how that interpretation is even in question.

I have listened and I have read the article in question. I see your interpretation of both as hyperbolic and unfair. However unlike some people in this thread, I will not say that you are wrong or attack you personally for feeling that way. To be fair to you, you have been fairly level headed in your criticisms of Matt and have not really crossed any lines, unlike some.Matt's insertion of racism into the discussion, imo, was more directed at how a black QB may be held to different standards or be elevaluated differently based on the stereotype that black QBs are athletes and not cerebral field generals. Perhaps since Bridgewater is not an athletic freak, and more a traditional pocket passer, his skin color could have some effect on how he is perceived as an NFL prospect. The black QBs that many cite as counter examples of QBs being drafted highly (Newton, Griffin, Manuel) fit the athletic QB mold - and many questioned their ability to read defenses and become pocket passers. However they were drafted because of their running ability, strong arms and potential, despite many thinking they weren't necessarily great QBs in the traditional sense. Since Brdigewater is much more Tom Brady than Cam Newton, his skin color could be a detriment. I'm not sure I buy that in this day and age, but don't feel it's an outrageous position to take.

As an example, I remember back when Jamarcus Russell was a prospect coming into the league and I read posts here at FBG which talked about his dynasty prospects and how his rushing stats would greatly enhance his fantasy production. Meanwhile I could probably beat the guy in a foot race. That's the subconscious, subtle or indirect racism Matt may be bringing into focus. Why was it assumed that Russell was a running QB?

Why can't that be discussed for what it is rather than the insults, personal attacks (towards his wife, friends and choice of pets), and distortions of his position that I've seen from many in this thread?

I'm not sure to what extent his wife, friends or predilection for guinea pigs have been attacked in here, but the answer to your question is in your answer to Cobalt's: it at least had some context and reasoning. IOW, you at least tried to explain his position for him, something he has strangely failed to do himself. Yet even your attempts at explaining Waldman's unexplained comments fail to prove any point he may have been trying to make. At least not with anything resembling facts.

That he has yet to show his work--whether it be in the claimed latent racism of NFL GM's or Waldman's own evaluation of Bridgewater (which may rely on stereotyping and generalizations of his own, we just don't know)--is a big reason why many of the posters in this forum are left scratching their heads about his comments. Conflating his views on racism and NFL front offices with his analytical skills may seem unfair to you and others (and it may indeed be unfair), but what do you say when someone whose reputation depends on his ability to judge another person's talents shows such a lack of good judgement and willingness to share information, particularly when you have respected their work for the most part?

 

[johnjohn]

Don't worry everyone, he had talks with people in the NFL, so he is allowed to accuse GMs/owners of being racist if they let him fall in the draft, and by the same token, he is allowed to imply serious fantasy players that did their research on BW could only disagree with him if they are racist.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Well, after considering his podcast, his response to this thread, his 2012 article, and his most recent article http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/03/25/how-to-find-your-mercedes/ ...putting this all together, I think it's safe to assume Waldman has Bridgewater ranked comfortably as his #1 QB in his RSP. Which means, if Bridgewater isn't the first QB selected and/or he falls out of the top-15, then Waldman will feel vindicated that NFL execs and GMs are a bunch of racist fools.

And, if Bridgewater is selected QB1 and in the top-10, then the 25% safety net kicks in, and Waldman will still maintain that NFL execs and GMs are a bunch of racist fools.

Incidentally, I'm not sure what Waldman's issue is with the NFC exec who referred to Leftwich as "soft," if it meant he missed a lot of time to injury. We all know about and remember the heroics he put on at Marshall playing on a broken leg. That ain't soft, that's one tough sob. In that regard. However, Leftwich's NFL career was marred by at least 32 weeks where he was listed as either on the IR or "doubtful," or "out" due to injury (e.g., ribs, elbow, tailbone, ankle, knee). By that standard maybe "soft" has nothing to do with race, but simply reflects that the guy was injury-prone and that the NFC exec has the same concerns for Bridgewater, who had an assortment of ankle, thumb, and wrist injuries and probably needs to fill out his frame a bit to survive the pros for a long time as a franchise QB.

Or, maybe Waldman's right, and the exec is a racist.

Can you please quote where Matt said that NFL execs were "a bunch of racist fools" or even strongly implied that?

His position was far more subtle than any of that. I know some people think his position was outrageous, but the counterpoints have reached just as "ridiculous" of a level of hyperbole and foolishness.

If you haven't heard Waldman's podcast comments or read his response here or read the Mercedes article, you should. His implication throughout is that execs are making foolish arguments and decisions based on race. I don't see how that interpretation is even in question.

I have listened and I have read the article in question. I see your interpretation of both as hyperbolic and unfair. However unlike some people in this thread, I will not say that you are wrong or attack you personally for feeling that way. To be fair to you, you have been fairly level headed in your criticisms of Matt and have not really crossed any lines, unlike some.

Matt's insertion of racism into the discussion, imo, was more directed at how a black QB may be held to different standards or be elevaluated differently based on the stereotype that black QBs are athletes and not cerebral field generals. Perhaps since Bridgewater is not an athletic freak, and more a traditional pocket passer, his skin color could have some effect on how he is perceived as an NFL prospect. The black QBs that many cite as counter examples of QBs being drafted highly (Newton, Griffin, Manuel) fit the athletic QB mold - and many questioned their ability to read defenses and become pocket passers. However they were drafted because of their running ability, strong arms and potential, despite many thinking they weren't necessarily great QBs in the traditional sense. Since Brdigewater is much more Tom Brady than Cam Newton, his skin color could be a detriment. I'm not sure I buy that in this day and age, but don't feel it's an outrageous position to take.

As an example, I remember back when Jamarcus Russell was a prospect coming into the league and I read posts here at FBG which talked about his dynasty prospects and how his rushing stats would greatly enhance his fantasy production. Meanwhile I could probably beat the guy in a foot race. That's the subconscious, subtle or indirect racism Matt may be bringing into focus. Why was it assumed that Russell was a running QB?

Why can't that be discussed for what it is rather than the insults, personal attacks (towards his wife, friends and choice of pets), and distortions of his position that I've seen from many in this thread?

Who insulted or personally attacked his wife?

 

[pghrob]

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/06/27/walk-on-the-wildside-hernandez-deen-paulette-and-orcas/

Thanks. It seems he'd rather just write a column for the NYT instead of doing the RSP. Maybe he should send a resume or something.

Waldman already writes for the NYT.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/author/matt-waldman/

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Etc. Are we really going to read the minds of these guys somehow?

"indefensible" and "groundless" are words that you threw around with just as little ability to "read into some GM's or owner's mind."

For the record, I don't think Bridgewater will fall out of the top 10 - and if he does I don't think it will be because of outright or indirect racism, but I can't outright dismiss the possibility as a matter of fact. Just like Matt, it would be my opinion that he fell for other reasons (i.e. poor pro-day, slight build)

I think what people may be missing here, is this is one man putting something out there that he beleives may be at least food for thought. People just seem to get so offended when anyone even raises the notion that racism, on any level, may just still exist in 2014.

I'm surprised so many people have lost ALL respect for Waldman after these comments... Is he or is he not more connected to the NFL than we are on these boards? Whether you believe his opinion to be way off or have a little truth to it I'm sure that he has formed his opinions about how some organizations choose to run their teams. Right or very very wrong he is giving his opinion and now people are so upset that anybody can think anything remotely close to what he thinks. I'm not a fan of what he said and I disagree with most of it but that doesn't mean that Bridgewater won't possibly fall out of the top 10. I think being the face of a franchise CAN be part of a criteria for some teams to make a decision on who they should draft... Does race possibly play a part in that? Who is to say yes or no? We can ASSUME no and we use examples of Vick an V Young and Cam as examples to "prove" that but because we don't know exactly what criteria each team uses it's no better proof than anything Matt would be able to provide as "proof" for what he believes he's right.

All in all I think it's kinda stupid IF people begin to boycott the RSP ONLY because they just can't believe that anybody can still form an opinion that they feel is just wrong... Take the RSP for what it is... Way more research than many of us are willing to put in each yr...

I would hope that NFL teams would make their decisions heavily weighed based on the merit of the player and less heavily weighed on all of the other ansilary things... Discounting the ansilary things altogether would be dangerous as well... Which is why something like throwing a bunch of money at Aaron Hernandez with his new contract given his red flags now seems irresponsible. I'm not saying race by any stretch is an ansilary thing but as it's been eluded to before I believe upbringing and culture and who the athlete "hangs" with as friends absolutely could be included as ansilary factors

 

[MoveToSkypager]

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/06/27/walk-on-the-wildside-hernandez-deen-paulette-and-orcas/

Thanks. It seems he'd rather just write a column for the NYT instead of doing the RSP. Maybe he should send a resume or something.

Waldman already writes for the NYT.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/author/matt-waldman/

IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I MEANT, THEN YOU SHOULD JUST ASK

 

[Gandalf the Grey]

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/06/27/walk-on-the-wildside-hernandez-deen-paulette-and-orcas/

Good lord

I agree. Another fantastic article.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Well, after considering his podcast, his response to this thread, his 2012 article, and his most recent article http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/03/25/how-to-find-your-mercedes/ ...putting this all together, I think it's safe to assume Waldman has Bridgewater ranked comfortably as his #1 QB in his RSP. Which means, if Bridgewater isn't the first QB selected and/or he falls out of the top-15, then Waldman will feel vindicated that NFL execs and GMs are a bunch of racist fools.

And, if Bridgewater is selected QB1 and in the top-10, then the 25% safety net kicks in, and Waldman will still maintain that NFL execs and GMs are a bunch of racist fools.

Incidentally, I'm not sure what Waldman's issue is with the NFC exec who referred to Leftwich as "soft," if it meant he missed a lot of time to injury. We all know about and remember the heroics he put on at Marshall playing on a broken leg. That ain't soft, that's one tough sob. In that regard. However, Leftwich's NFL career was marred by at least 32 weeks where he was listed as either on the IR or "doubtful," or "out" due to injury (e.g., ribs, elbow, tailbone, ankle, knee). By that standard maybe "soft" has nothing to do with race, but simply reflects that the guy was injury-prone and that the NFC exec has the same concerns for Bridgewater, who had an assortment of ankle, thumb, and wrist injuries and probably needs to fill out his frame a bit to survive the pros for a long time as a franchise QB.

Or, maybe Waldman's right, and the exec is a racist.

Can you please quote where Matt said that NFL execs were "a bunch of racist fools" or even strongly implied that?

His position was far more subtle than any of that. I know some people think his position was outrageous, but the counterpoints have reached just as "ridiculous" of a level of hyperbole and foolishness.

If you haven't heard Waldman's podcast comments or read his response here or read the Mercedes article, you should. His implication throughout is that execs are making foolish arguments and decisions based on race. I don't see how that interpretation is even in question.

I have listened and I have read the article in question. I see your interpretation of both as hyperbolic and unfair. However unlike some people in this thread, I will not say that you are wrong or attack you personally for feeling that way. To be fair to you, you have been fairly level headed in your criticisms of Matt and have not really crossed any lines, unlike some.

Matt's insertion of racism into the discussion, imo, was more directed at how a black QB may be held to different standards or be elevaluated differently based on the stereotype that black QBs are athletes and not cerebral field generals. Perhaps since Bridgewater is not an athletic freak, and more a traditional pocket passer, his skin color could have some effect on how he is perceived as an NFL prospect. The black QBs that many cite as counter examples of QBs being drafted highly (Newton, Griffin, Manuel) fit the athletic QB mold - and many questioned their ability to read defenses and become pocket passers. However they were drafted because of their running ability, strong arms and potential, despite many thinking they weren't necessarily great QBs in the traditional sense. Since Brdigewater is much more Tom Brady than Cam Newton, his skin color could be a detriment. I'm not sure I buy that in this day and age, but don't feel it's an outrageous position to take.

As an example, I remember back when Jamarcus Russell was a prospect coming into the league and I read posts here at FBG which talked about his dynasty prospects and how his rushing stats would greatly enhance his fantasy production. Meanwhile I could probably beat the guy in a foot race. That's the subconscious, subtle or indirect racism Matt may be bringing into focus. Why was it assumed that Russell was a running QB?

Why can't that be discussed for what it is rather than the insults, personal attacks (towards his wife, friends and choice of pets), and distortions of his position that I've seen from many in this thread?

Who insulted or personally attacked his wife?

Some of the posts in this thread have been deleted by moderators, so I can not find the post. Maybe im just missing it, or maybe that was one of the ones that were deleted (people complained that they had posts deleted). It was back around page 3 or 4. I don't want to name any names, because I'm no longer sure exactly who it was. I do remember who tried to mock me when I brought up how classes it was of the poster who did so, that was johnjohn - but he was not the one that made the original statement.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/06/27/walk-on-the-wildside-hernandez-deen-paulette-and-orcas/

Good lord

I agree. Another fantastic article.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

Why are you two guys incorrectly calling me out on using straw man fallacy , and not saying a word about Mr.Waldmans Ad Hominem ?

A straw man fallacy is putting words in other people's mouths and arguing against what you've misrepresented their position to be instead of arguing against what they've actually said. You've done that.

An ad hominem fallacy is discounting another person's claim or argument based on some negative aspect of his character rather than addressing the claim or argument itself. That's not what Matt did.

 

[NE_REVIVAL]

Well, after considering his podcast, his response to this thread, his 2012 article, and his most recent article http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/03/25/how-to-find-your-mercedes/ ...putting this all together, I think it's safe to assume Waldman has Bridgewater ranked comfortably as his #1 QB in his RSP. Which means, if Bridgewater isn't the first QB selected and/or he falls out of the top-15, then Waldman will feel vindicated that NFL execs and GMs are a bunch of racist fools.

And, if Bridgewater is selected QB1 and in the top-10, then the 25% safety net kicks in, and Waldman will still maintain that NFL execs and GMs are a bunch of racist fools.

Incidentally, I'm not sure what Waldman's issue is with the NFC exec who referred to Leftwich as "soft," if it meant he missed a lot of time to injury. We all know about and remember the heroics he put on at Marshall playing on a broken leg. That ain't soft, that's one tough sob. In that regard. However, Leftwich's NFL career was marred by at least 32 weeks where he was listed as either on the IR or "doubtful," or "out" due to injury (e.g., ribs, elbow, tailbone, ankle, knee). By that standard maybe "soft" has nothing to do with race, but simply reflects that the guy was injury-prone and that the NFC exec has the same concerns for Bridgewater, who had an assortment of ankle, thumb, and wrist injuries and probably needs to fill out his frame a bit to survive the pros for a long time as a franchise QB.

Or, maybe Waldman's right, and the exec is a racist.

Can you please quote where Matt said that NFL execs were "a bunch of racist fools" or even strongly implied that?

His position was far more subtle than any of that. I know some people think his position was outrageous, but the counterpoints have reached just as "ridiculous" of a level of hyperbole and foolishness.

If you haven't heard Waldman's podcast comments or read his response here or read the Mercedes article, you should. His implication throughout is that execs are making foolish arguments and decisions based on race. I don't see how that interpretation is even in question.

I have listened and I have read the article in question. I see your interpretation of both as hyperbolic and unfair. However unlike some people in this thread, I will not say that you are wrong or attack you personally for feeling that way. To be fair to you, you have been fairly level headed in your criticisms of Matt and have not really crossed any lines, unlike some.

Matt's insertion of racism into the discussion, imo, was more directed at how a black QB may be held to different standards or be elevaluated differently based on the stereotype that black QBs are athletes and not cerebral field generals. Perhaps since Bridgewater is not an athletic freak, and more a traditional pocket passer, his skin color could have some effect on how he is perceived as an NFL prospect. The black QBs that many cite as counter examples of QBs being drafted highly (Newton, Griffin, Manuel) fit the athletic QB mold - and many questioned their ability to read defenses and become pocket passers. However they were drafted because of their running ability, strong arms and potential, despite many thinking they weren't necessarily great QBs in the traditional sense. Since Brdigewater is much more Tom Brady than Cam Newton, his skin color could be a detriment. I'm not sure I buy that in this day and age, but don't feel it's an outrageous position to take.

As an example, I remember back when Jamarcus Russell was a prospect coming into the league and I read posts here at FBG which talked about his dynasty prospects and how his rushing stats would greatly enhance his fantasy production. Meanwhile I could probably beat the guy in a foot race. That's the subconscious, subtle or indirect racism Matt may be bringing into focus. Why was it assumed that Russell was a running QB?

Why can't that be discussed for what it is rather than the insults, personal attacks (towards his wife, friends and choice of pets), and distortions of his position that I've seen from many in this thread?

Who insulted or personally attacked his wife?

Some of the posts in this thread have been deleted by moderators, so I can not find the post. Maybe im just missing it, or maybe that was one of the ones that were deleted (people complained that they had posts deleted). It was back around page 3 or 4. I don't want to name any names, because I'm no longer sure exactly who it was. I do remember who tried to mock me when I brought up how classes it was of the poster who did so, that was johnjohn - but he was not the one that made the original statement.

Good enough, I didn't see anything and I was just hoping you didn't mean me.

 

[mr roboto]

Why are you two guys incorrectly calling me out on using straw man fallacy , and not saying a word about Mr.Waldmans Ad Hominem ?

A straw man fallacy is putting words in other people's mouths and arguing against what you've misrepresented their position to be instead of arguing against what they've actually said. You've done that.

An ad hominem fallacy is discounting another person's claim or argument based on some negative aspect of his character rather than addressing the claim or argument itself. That's not what Matt did.

He's not very good at this.

 

[pghrob]

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/06/27/walk-on-the-wildside-hernandez-deen-paulette-and-orcas/

Thanks. It seems he'd rather just write a column for the NYT instead of doing the RSP. Maybe he should send a resume or something.

Waldman already writes for the NYT.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/author/matt-waldman/

IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I MEANT, THEN YOU SHOULD JUST ASK

Actually, that response was intended to address the irony of what appeared to be sarcasm on your part. However a purely literal interpretation of what you wrote could nonetheless be appropriately be met with a reply that he already writes for the NYT. In light of his already writing for the NYT, it's unlikely that he needs to send them a resume or something seeing as he is already on their radar. Granted his Fifth Down Blog contributions appear to be more focused solely on the X's and O's of football analysis as opposed to his other thoughts / opinions on the topic of racism. If he wanted to segue beyond the sports section as a writer for them, he is not too far off from that as far as actions he could take to better draw attention to himself as a writer worthy of their consideration in that regard.

 

[cstu]

Humans are all racists, it's only a matter of degree. Frankly, I don't even see passing on a black QB as especially high - or 'raging' - level of racism.

 

[Christo]

http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2013/06/27/walk-on-the-wildside-hernandez-deen-paulette-and-orcas/

Thanks. It seems he'd rather just write a column for the NYT instead of doing the RSP. Maybe he should send a resume or something.

Waldman already writes for the NYT.

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/author/matt-waldman/

I wonder if NFL GMs think he's a racist for not ranking EJ Manuel and Geno Smith first and second?

 

[Christo]

Waldman must be a racist for ranking Cam Newton behind Blaine Gabbert and Christian Ponder!

 

[Black]

Lots of new emotional reactions to this in the last couple of days and a lot of thoughtful arguments both ways. I do think some of the more angry responses are missing the fact that his podcasts comments were 'editorial' or 'opinion'. That's what I have been getting at since my first post referencing 'context.'

Opinion is simply "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge." It's not an attack on anyone in this forum. It is an opinion that race could be coloring the supposed drop of Teddy in people's rankings.

My personal opinion is that it could be due to his slim build. It could be due to a drop in anticipated performance this year. It could be due to a pretty bad pro day (and good pro days by the other top-ish QBs). And maybe, just maybe there are people who think Teddy doesn't 'look the part' for any or all of those reasons. I don't know. Matt doesn't know. He just posited an opinion. I don't see why that requires an apology, redaction, explanation, facts or why it makes him a racist or his scouting suspect.

If you are angered by his opinion, it's fine for you to disagree, stop listening to future content or boycott his product. But, I don't think it's fair to attack him personally, call him out, or demand we all burn his old RSPs in effigy.

 

[Dr Oadi]

Lots of new emotional reactions to this in the last couple of days and a lot of thoughtful arguments both ways. I do think some of the more angry responses are missing the fact that his podcasts comments were 'editorial' or 'opinion'. That's what I have been getting at since my first post referencing 'context.'

Opinion is simply "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge." It's not an attack on anyone in this forum. It is an opinion that race could be coloring the supposed drop of Teddy in people's rankings.

My personal opinion is that it could be due to his slim build. It could be due to a drop in anticipated performance this year. It could be due to a pretty bad pro day (and good pro days by the other top-ish QBs). And maybe, just maybe there are people who think Teddy doesn't 'look the part' for any or all of those reasons. I don't know. Matt doesn't know. He just posited an opinion. I don't see why that requires an apology, redaction, explanation, facts or why it makes him a racist or his scouting suspect.

If you are angered by his opinion, it's fine for you to disagree, stop listening to future content or boycott his product. But, I don't think it's fair to attack him personally, call him out, or demand we all burn his old RSPs in effigy.

?It is not only fair to call out bs it should be required.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Lots of new emotional reactions to this in the last couple of days and a lot of thoughtful arguments both ways. I do think some of the more angry responses are missing the fact that his podcasts comments were 'editorial' or 'opinion'. That's what I have been getting at since my first post referencing 'context.'

Opinion is simply "a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge." It's not an attack on anyone in this forum. It is an opinion that race could be coloring the supposed drop of Teddy in people's rankings.

My personal opinion is that it could be due to his slim build. It could be due to a drop in anticipated performance this year. It could be due to a pretty bad pro day (and good pro days by the other top-ish QBs). And maybe, just maybe there are people who think Teddy doesn't 'look the part' for any or all of those reasons. I don't know. Matt doesn't know. He just posited an opinion. I don't see why that requires an apology, redaction, explanation, facts or why it makes him a racist or his scouting suspect.

If you are angered by his opinion, it's fine for you to disagree, stop listening to future content or boycott his product. But, I don't think it's fair to attack him personally, call him out, or demand we all burn his old RSPs in effigy.

Meh. If someone posts here that there opinion is that Matt is terrible at evaluating NFL talent what are the chances the staff will think that is an attack?

Opinions can be full of attacks. It's not one or the other.

 

[fatness]

Serious question - did he say that anyone with the opinion that Teddy isn't the best QB prospect in this draft class is motivated by racism? Even dorks on the Internet? I haven't listened to the podcast.

He didnt say it, but its implied.

BS

 

[fatness]

I don't think he insulted a bunch of people. I disagree with his opinion and probably agree with you that it is illogical. I still don't see how you think it applies to you. Please show your work.

Yet, this thread is 8 pages full of mostly people upset by his comment

Waldman didn't insult them. They're angry at what he said.

 

[cobalt_27]

Well, after considering his podcast, his response to this thread, his 2012 article, and his most recent article http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2014/03/25/how-to-find-your-mercedes/ ...putting this all together, I think it's safe to assume Waldman has Bridgewater ranked comfortably as his #1 QB in his RSP. Which means, if Bridgewater isn't the first QB selected and/or he falls out of the top-15, then Waldman will feel vindicated that NFL execs and GMs are a bunch of racist fools.

And, if Bridgewater is selected QB1 and in the top-10, then the 25% safety net kicks in, and Waldman will still maintain that NFL execs and GMs are a bunch of racist fools.

Incidentally, I'm not sure what Waldman's issue is with the NFC exec who referred to Leftwich as "soft," if it meant he missed a lot of time to injury. We all know about and remember the heroics he put on at Marshall playing on a broken leg. That ain't soft, that's one tough sob. In that regard. However, Leftwich's NFL career was marred by at least 32 weeks where he was listed as either on the IR or "doubtful," or "out" due to injury (e.g., ribs, elbow, tailbone, ankle, knee). By that standard maybe "soft" has nothing to do with race, but simply reflects that the guy was injury-prone and that the NFC exec has the same concerns for Bridgewater, who had an assortment of ankle, thumb, and wrist injuries and probably needs to fill out his frame a bit to survive the pros for a long time as a franchise QB.

Or, maybe Waldman's right, and the exec is a racist.

Can you please quote where Matt said that NFL execs were "a bunch of racist fools" or even strongly implied that?

His position was far more subtle than any of that. I know some people think his position was outrageous, but the counterpoints have reached just as "ridiculous" of a level of hyperbole and foolishness.

If you haven't heard Waldman's podcast comments or read his response here or read the Mercedes article, you should. His implication throughout is that execs are making foolish arguments and decisions based on race. I don't see how that interpretation is even in question.

I have listened and I have read the article in question. I see your interpretation of both as hyperbolic and unfair. However unlike some people in this thread, I will not say that you are wrong or attack you personally for feeling that way. To be fair to you, you have been fairly level headed in your criticisms of Matt and have not really crossed any lines, unlike some.

Matt's insertion of racism into the discussion, imo, was more directed at how a black QB may be held to different standards or be elevaluated differently based on the stereotype that black QBs are athletes and not cerebral field generals. Perhaps since Bridgewater is not an athletic freak, and more a traditional pocket passer, his skin color could have some effect on how he is perceived as an NFL prospect. The black QBs that many cite as counter examples of QBs being drafted highly (Newton, Griffin, Manuel) fit the athletic QB mold - and many questioned their ability to read defenses and become pocket passers. However they were drafted because of their running ability, strong arms and potential, despite many thinking they weren't necessarily great QBs in the traditional sense. Since Brdigewater is much more Tom Brady than Cam Newton, his skin color could be a detriment. I'm not sure I buy that in this day and age, but don't feel it's an outrageous position to take.

As an example, I remember back when Jamarcus Russell was a prospect coming into the league and I read posts here at FBG which talked about his dynasty prospects and how his rushing stats would greatly enhance his fantasy production. Meanwhile I could probably beat the guy in a foot race. That's the subconscious, subtle or indirect racism Matt may be bringing into focus. Why was it assumed that Russell was a running QB?

Why can't that be discussed for what it is rather than the insults, personal attacks (towards his wife, friends and choice of pets), and distortions of his position that I've seen from many in this thread?

I am fully willing to embrace the possibility that my interpretation of his position represents a distortion. I don't believe it is, given the totality of what I've heard and read from him, thus far. But, I have questioned how he came to say/write what he did and asked both broad and specific questions that would help clarify.

To be clear, he does not owe any of us an explanation for anything. However, an explanation would sure go a long way in helping to understand his perspective a little more. As I have mentioned several times already, he explains his thought process for everything else. In fact, it's one of the things that sets him apart amidst the hundreds upon hundreds of pages he writes explaining this thinking on the RSP. So, it's a little unusual to me why, if he feels so strongly about this, why he doesn't come out and talk about it a little bit more. The racism comment clearly was not off-the-cuff, just some sort of random slip up. He evidently has thought a lot about this. But, for some reason he has backed way the hell far away from helping provide any deeper understanding to why he feels the way he does.

And, perhaps this is one area he doesn't feel like he has a good handle on articulating the things he sees and hears that make him believe TB will likely (i.e., 75% chance) fall in the draft due to racism. Maybe this is all a big understanding, but with a topic area as sensitive as this, with the centerpiece of Waldman's own professional world coming up in the draft, with the comments he's made about one of the biggest names in the draft, and asserting a position that billion dollar teams will willingly or subconsciously pass on the better player because of skin color, I'm a bit disappointed he is declining to expand on this and illuminate what he sees is actually going on.

 

[pghrob]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

 

[jurb26]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

Wow, nice find. I'll have to read thru that later tonight.

 

[cobalt_27]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

Very interesting.

 

[Neofight]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

Stacking

Most observers agree that the issue of stacking in the NFL is no longer a concern of significance. In the 2012 NFL season, African-Americans held 21 percent of the quarterback positions remaining constant 2011. The quarterback has been football’s central “thinking” position. Historically, the positions of running back, wide receiver, cornerback, and safety have had disproportionately high percentages of African-Americans. The latter positions rely a great deal on speed and reactive ability. The quarterback position was the primary concern since it was so central to the game and now that African-Americans have broken down that barrier, concern about stacking has been greatly diminished.

The breakdown of all positions for African-Americans and whites is listed in Tables 14, 15 and 16.

Interesting sidebar: This report was headed by Richard Lapchick, son of NBA Hall of Famer and original Celtic Center Joe Lapchick. This is Richard Lapchick's bio:

Richard E. Lapchick, son of Joe Lapchick, the original Celtic center who became a coach for St. John's and the New York Knicks, is often referred to as the "social conscience of sport". Lapchick received his nickname because of his work with race relations and his ability to use sport to combat racial, gender and social inequities in society, both in the United States and internationally. He is a human rights activist, pioneer for racial equality, internationally recognized expert on sports issues, scholar and author.[1]
The early years[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]

Lapchick’s life passion was sparked in Germany at the age of 14 while touring the Nazi internment camps of Dachau. Coincidentally, he was in Europe during the 1960 Summer Olympic Games and discovered the tremendous impact sport has to cross all lines, color, creed and religion. Thus, his dream to use sport as a vehicle for social change was born. It reinforced his early experiences witnessing public hostility toward his father when, as the Coach of the New York Knicks, he signed Nat “Sweetwater” Clifton, the NBA’s first African-American player in 1950.[2] His earliest memory as a five year old was seeing his father's image swinging from a tree across the street from his house with people picketing under the tree.

Activist work[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]

In the 1970s, Lapchick started fighting apartheid and led the boycott of the South African participation in international sport events, the Davis Cup in particular.[3] Lapchick was physically attacked in his college office in February of 1978 just as it looked like the Davis Cup was going to be cancelled. Lapchick worked for the United Nations from 1978-1984. His New York City apartment was ransacked in 1981 while he was leading a protest of a South African rugby team scheduled to play in the United States. His activism led to a personal invitation from Nelson Mandela upon his presidential inauguration in 1994 after anti-apartheid movements were successful.

Lapchick founded the Center for the Study of Sport in Society (CSSS) in 1984 at Northeastern University. He served as Director for 17 years and is now the Director Emeritus. The Center has attracted national attention to its pioneering efforts to ensure the education of athletes from junior high school through the professional ranks. The Center's Project TEAMWORK was called "America's most successful violence prevention program" by public opinion analyst Lou Harris. It won the Peter F. Drucker Foundation Award as the nation's most innovative non-profit program and was named by the Clinton administration as a model for violence prevention.[4] In 1993, Lapchick co-founded the Mentors in Violence Prevention program, a gender violence prevention and education program which has been utilized by the U.S. military, professional and college athletes.[5]

One year after the Center’s inception, Lapchick wanted to take its mission national and established the National Consortium for Academics and Sports (NCAS). For 28 years, the NCAS has been "creating a better society by focusing on educational attainment and using the power and appeal of sport to positively affect social change." It is a group of over 280 colleges and universities that created the first of its kind degree completion and community service programs. To date, 31,855 athletes have returned to NCAS member schools. Over 14,900 have graduated. Nationally, the NCAS athletes have worked with more than 19.1 million students in the school outreach and community service program, which focuses on teaching youth how to improve race relations, develop conflict resolution skills, prevent gender violence and avoid drug and alcohol abuse. They have collectively donated more than 20.8 million hours of service while member colleges have donated more than $320 million in tuition assistance.[6]

He helped create National Student-Athlete Day in 1988 which to date has recognized more than 2.6 million high school students for being citizen-scholar-student-athletes.

Academic career[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]

Lapchick was announced as the endowed chair of the DeVos Sport Business Management Program at the University of Central Florida's College of Business Administration in 2001. The DeVos Sport Business Management Program at UCF is a landmark program that focuses on the business skills necessary for graduates to conduct a successful career in the rapidly changing and dynamic sports industry. In following with Lapchick’s tradition of human rights activism, the curriculum includes courses with an emphasis on diversity, community service and philanthropy, sport and social issues and ethics in addition to UCF’s strong business curriculum. The DeVos Program has been named one of the nation’s top five programs by the Wall Street Journal, the Sports Business Journal and ESPN The Magazine.[7] In 2009 it was named the #1 MBA program in the nation for volunteer service.

While at the University of Central Florida, he remains President of the National Consortium for Academics and Sports (NCAS) and has established The Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sport (TIDES) which serves as a comprehensive resource for issues related to gender and race in amateur, collegiate and professional sports. He is the author of the internationally acclaimed Racial and Gender Report Card which tracks the hiring practices of professional and college sport which is published by The Institute which also publishes annual studies on student-athlete graduation rates and racial attitudes in sports. The Institute also monitors some of the critical ethical issues in college and professional sport, including the potential for the exploitation of student-athletes, gambling, performance-enhancing drugs and violence in sport.[8]

In December of 2006, Lapchick, his wife and daughter and a group of DeVos students formed the Hope for Stanley Foundation (HFS) which is organizing groups of student-athletes and sports management students to go to New Orleans to work in the reconstruction efforts in the devastated Ninth Ward. As of the summer of 2013, Hope for Stanley members have spent 38 weeks in the city in a partnership with the NOLA City Council. Lapchick was named an honorary citizen by the New Orleans City Council in October 2007. HFS has also worked with Tornado victims in Tuscaloosa, AL in New York with the victims of Hurricane Sandy.

Awards and accolades[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]

Lapchick’s extensive list of honors and awards cover several decades. In 2006, Lapchick was named both the Central Florida Public Citizen of the Year and the Florida Public Citizen of the Year by the National Association of Social Workers. Lapchick has been the recipient of numerous humanitarian awards and was inducted into the Sports Hall of Fame of the Commonwealth Nations in 1999 in the category of Humanitarian along with Arthur Ashe and Nelson Mandela and received the Ralph Bunche International Peace Award. He joined the greats of Muhammad Ali, Jackie Robinson, Arthur Ashe and Wilma Rudolph in the CSSS Hall of Fame in 2004.[9] He was also inducted into the Central Florida Sports Hall of Fame and the Multi-Ethnic Hall of Fame.

In 2008, he was given the NASCAR Diversity Award for leadership in advancing people of color in the motorsports industry. In 2009, the Rainbow/ PUSH Coalition and Rev. Jesse Jackson honored him for “lifetime achievement in working for civil rights.” Lifelong friend Kareem Abdul Jabbar requested to present the award to Lapchick on behalf of Rev. Jackson.[10]

In 2012, Lapchick was honored by the Holocaust Memorial Resource and Education Center of Florida at its annual Dinner of Tribute. He also received the Champions Award from the Alliance of Women’s Coaches, the only male to receive the award in 2012. The Black Coaches Association presented Lapchick with their Distinguished Service Award which is only the 2nd time they have presented this award in 28 years. Lapchick received the Mannie Jackson Human Spirit Award at the 2012 Basketball Hall of Fame enshrinement ceremonies.

In August of 2013, he received the Pioneer Award from the National Association of Black Journalists.

He is listed in Who's Who in America, Who's Who in American Education, Who's Who in Finance and Industry, and Who's Who in American Business. Lapchick was named one of the 100 Most Powerful People in Sports for six years, one of the 100 Most Influential Sports Educators in America, one of the 20 Most Influential People in College Sport and one of the 20 Most Influential People in Sport in Florida.

Lapchick was one of 200 guests personally invited by Nelson Mandela to his inauguration after leading the American sports boycott of South Africa from 1975 until the end of Apartheid.

Education and publications[SIZE=small][[/SIZE]edit]

Lapchick received a B.A. from St. John's University in 1967. In 1993, he was named as the outstanding alumnus at the University of Denver where he got his Ph.D. in international race relations in 1973. He has since earned eight honorary degrees.[11]

Lapchick is a prolific writer and is currently working on his 17th book. His literary works include: 100 Trailblazers: Great Women Athletes Who Opened Doors for Future Generations; 100 Pioneers: African-Americans Who Broke Color Barriers in Sport; 100 Heroes: People in Sports Who Make This a Better World; New Game Plan for College Sport; Smashing Barriers: Race and Sport in the New Millennium; Never Before, Never Again: The Stirring Autobiography of Eddie Robinson, the Winningest Coach in the History of College Football; Sport in Society: Equal Opportunity or Business as Usual?; Five Minutes to Midnight: Race and Sport in the 1990s; Rules of the Game: Ethics in College Sport; On the Mark: Putting the Student Back in Student-athlete; Fractured Focus: Sport as a Reflection of Society; Broken Promises: Racism in American Sports; Oppression and Resistance: The Struggle of Women in Southern Africa; Politics of Race and International Sport: The Case of South Africa.[12]

Lapchick is a regular columnist for ESPN.com and The Sports Business Journal. He has written more than 500 articles and given almost 2,850 public speeches.[13] He has spoken in the United States Congress, at the United Nations and in the European Parliament.

He is considered among the nation's experts on sport and social issues. Lapchick has appeared numerous times on Good Morning America, Face The Nation, The Today Show, ABC World News, NBC Nightly News, the CBS Evening News, CNN and ESPN as well as numerous other news broadcasts.

 

[GridironMenace]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

AWESOME find! What say ye now Waldman? Cat got your tongue? Your opinion isn't an opinion anymore bucko. Now it's just factually incorrect, ignorant and plain wrong. Time to take back those comments Mr. Fancy. I'll be waiting.

 

[jurb26]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

AWESOME find! What say ye now Waldman? Cat got your tongue? Your opinion isn't an opinion anymore bucko. Now it's just factually incorrect, ignorant and plain wrong. Time to take back those comments Mr. Fancy. I'll be waiting.

Cliffs notes for those of use who haven't had time to read all 72 pages yet?

 

[johnjohn]

Why are you two guys incorrectly calling me out on using straw man fallacy , and not saying a word about Mr.Waldmans Ad Hominem ?

A straw man fallacy is putting words in other people's mouths and arguing against what you've misrepresented their position to be instead of arguing against what they've actually said. You've done that.

An ad hominem fallacy is discounting another person's claim or argument based on some negative aspect of his character rather than addressing the claim or argument itself. That's not what Matt did.

I didn't put words in his mouth, I said it was implied, and it is.

Matt did do that, he is discounting any GM's evaluation that would put BW below where matt does, based on them being racist.

 

[johnjohn]

Serious question - did he say that anyone with the opinion that Teddy isn't the best QB prospect in this draft class is motivated by racism? Even dorks on the Internet? I haven't listened to the podcast.

He didnt say it, but its implied.

BS

I don't think he insulted a bunch of people. I disagree with his opinion and probably agree with you that it is illogical. I still don't see how you think it applies to you. Please show your work.

Yet, this thread is 8 pages full of mostly people upset by his comment

Waldman didn't insult them. They're angry at what he said.

We get it, you and all the other admins on here and one or two guys trying to get jobs at FBGs will defend Matt no matter how wrong he is

 

[Soulfly3]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

Waldman is knee deep in his new article, "MisogyNFL: Why no woman will be drafted #1"

 

[fatness]

We get it, you and all the other admins on here and one or two guys trying to get jobs at FBGs will defend Matt no matter how wrong he is

 

[mr roboto]

We get it, you and all the other admins on here and one or two guys trying to get jobs at FBGs will defend Matt no matter how wrong he is

Can't decide if he's a troll or really just this dense.

 

[johnjohn]

We get it, you and all the other admins on here and one or two guys trying to get jobs at FBGs will defend Matt no matter how wrong he is

Can't decide if he's a troll or really just this dense.

What am I being dense about?

 

[fatness]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

AWESOME find! What say ye now Waldman? Cat got your tongue? Your opinion isn't an opinion anymore bucko. Now it's just factually incorrect, ignorant and plain wrong. Time to take back those comments Mr. Fancy. I'll be waiting.

Cliffs notes for those of use who haven't had time to read all 72 pages yet?

During the NFL’s 2012 season, the percentage of African-­-American players decreased to 66.3 percent in

2012 from 66.6 percent during the 2011 season. The percentage of whites in 2012 decreased to 30.1 percent from 31 percent in 2011. The percentage of Latinos, Asian/Pacific Islander, “other” and international players were 0.7 percent, 1.1 percent, 1.8 percent and 1.4 percent, respectively.

QB

2012

white 79%

African-American 21%

 

[johnb]

Listen, I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh. I don't share opinions with him. And sometimes, just sometimes, I think he says stuff just to incite people. Oh my god! I think the guy is a loon. You know what I do? Turn him off, don't listen to him, don't give him ratings, and avoid any conversation with people that are discussing him. It's my choice. I'm not gonna change Rush Limbaugh and he's not gonna change me. If anyone chooses to not subscribe to FBG, not buy the RSP, not come to these boards, that's your choice and I respect it. These are the moral choices we are faced with every day in life. Nobody owes any of you anything. I don't send Rush open letters or expect radio stations to take him off the air. I don't expect him to apologize for his beliefs just like I don't feel I should apologize for mine. All of this is just one more blip of bullcrap that we all have the choice to avoid or not avoid much like half the stuff on CNN, Fox News, ESPN, and the Food Network. Get over yourselves, make your choice, make it known if you want, and be done with it. Geez.

 

[johnjohn]

Listen, I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh. I don't share opinions with him. And sometimes, just sometimes, I think he says stuff just to incite people. Oh my god! I think the guy is a loon. You know what I do? Turn him off, don't listen to him, don't give him ratings, and avoid any conversation with people that are discussing him. It's my choice. I'm not gonna change Rush Limbaugh and he's not gonna change me. If anyone chooses to not subscribe to FBG, not buy the RSP, not come to these boards, that's your choice and I respect it. These are the moral choices we are faced with every day in life. Nobody owes any of you anything. I don't send Rush open letters or expect radio stations to take him off the air. I don't expect him to apologize for his beliefs just like I don't feel I should apologize for mine. All of this is just one more blip of bullcrap that we all have the choice to avoid or not avoid much like half the stuff on CNN, Fox News, ESPN, and the Food Network. Get over yourselves, make your choice, make it known if you want, and be done with it. Geez.

Difference is , Rush says political stuff on a political talk show, while Mr Waldman selfishly uses a football podcast to spew his garbage

 

[jurb26]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

AWESOME find! What say ye now Waldman? Cat got your tongue? Your opinion isn't an opinion anymore bucko. Now it's just factually incorrect, ignorant and plain wrong. Time to take back those comments Mr. Fancy. I'll be waiting.

Cliffs notes for those of use who haven't had time to read all 72 pages yet?

During the NFL’s 2012 season, the percentage of African-­-American players decreased to 66.3 percent in

2012 from 66.6 percent during the 2011 season. The percentage of whites in 2012 decreased to 30.1 percent from 31 percent in 2011. The percentage of Latinos, Asian/Pacific Islander, “other” and international players were 0.7 percent, 1.1 percent, 1.8 percent and 1.4 percent, respectively.

QB

2012

white 79%African-American 21%

It says the NFL grade for race among players is an A+. Why did you leave that part out?

 

[Neofight]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

AWESOME find! What say ye now Waldman? Cat got your tongue? Your opinion isn't an opinion anymore bucko. Now it's just factually incorrect, ignorant and plain wrong. Time to take back those comments Mr. Fancy. I'll be waiting.

Cliffs notes for those of use who haven't had time to read all 72 pages yet?

During the NFLs 2012 season, the percentage of African-­-American players decreased to 66.3 percent in

2012 from 66.6 percent during the 2011 season. The percentage of whites in 2012 decreased to 30.1 percent from 31 percent in 2011. The percentage of Latinos, Asian/Pacific Islander, other and international players were 0.7 percent, 1.1 percent, 1.8 percent and 1.4 percent, respectively.

QB

2012

white 79%

African-American 21%

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=705044&p=16673553

The meat:

Most observers agree that the issue of stacking in the NFL is no longer a concern of significance. In the 2012 NFL season, African-Americans held 21 percent of the quarterback positions remaining constant 2011. The quarterback has been football’s central “thinking” position. Historically, the positions of running back, wide receiver, cornerback, and safety have had disproportionately high percentages of African-Americans. The latter positions rely a great deal on speed and reactive ability. The quarterback position was the primary concern since it was so central to the game and now that African-Americans have broken down that barrier, concern about stacking has been greatly diminished.

ETA: More on stacking here

 

[johnjohn]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

AWESOME find! What say ye now Waldman? Cat got your tongue? Your opinion isn't an opinion anymore bucko. Now it's just factually incorrect, ignorant and plain wrong. Time to take back those comments Mr. Fancy. I'll be waiting.

Cliffs notes for those of use who haven't had time to read all 72 pages yet?

During the NFL’s 2012 season, the percentage of African-­-American players decreased to 66.3 percent in

2012 from 66.6 percent during the 2011 season. The percentage of whites in 2012 decreased to 30.1 percent from 31 percent in 2011. The percentage of Latinos, Asian/Pacific Islander, “other” and international players were 0.7 percent, 1.1 percent, 1.8 percent and 1.4 percent, respectively.

QB

2012

white 79%African-American 21%

It says the NFL grade for race among players is an A+. Why did you leave that part out?

because fatness will do anything to try and make Waldman look good, isn't it obvious by now. Can't listen to fatness when it comes to Waldman, he is obviously too biased for whatever reason

 

[fatness]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

AWESOME find! What say ye now Waldman? Cat got your tongue? Your opinion isn't an opinion anymore bucko. Now it's just factually incorrect, ignorant and plain wrong. Time to take back those comments Mr. Fancy. I'll be waiting.

Cliffs notes for those of use who haven't had time to read all 72 pages yet?

During the NFL’s 2012 season, the percentage of African-­-American players decreased to 66.3 percent in

2012 from 66.6 percent during the 2011 season. The percentage of whites in 2012 decreased to 30.1 percent from 31 percent in 2011. The percentage of Latinos, Asian/Pacific Islander, “other” and international players were 0.7 percent, 1.1 percent, 1.8 percent and 1.4 percent, respectively.

QB

2012

white 79%African-American 21%

It says the NFL grade for race among players is an A+. Why did you leave that part out?

Because we're talking about a black QB prospect.

Did you check out the front office grades by the way?

 

[mr roboto]

Listen, I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh. I don't share opinions with him. And sometimes, just sometimes, I think he says stuff just to incite people. Oh my god! I think the guy is a loon. You know what I do? Turn him off, don't listen to him, don't give him ratings, and avoid any conversation with people that are discussing him. It's my choice. I'm not gonna change Rush Limbaugh and he's not gonna change me. If anyone chooses to not subscribe to FBG, not buy the RSP, not come to these boards, that's your choice and I respect it. These are the moral choices we are faced with every day in life. Nobody owes any of you anything. I don't send Rush open letters or expect radio stations to take him off the air. I don't expect him to apologize for his beliefs just like I don't feel I should apologize for mine. All of this is just one more blip of bullcrap that we all have the choice to avoid or not avoid much like half the stuff on CNN, Fox News, ESPN, and the Food Network. Get over yourselves, make your choice, make it known if you want, and be done with it. Geez.

Difference is , Rush says political stuff on a political talk show, while Mr Waldman selfishly uses a football podcast to spew his garbage

This is getting better.

 

[jurb26]

http://www.tidesport.org/RGRC/2013/2013_NFL_RGRC.pdf

AWESOME find! What say ye now Waldman? Cat got your tongue? Your opinion isn't an opinion anymore bucko. Now it's just factually incorrect, ignorant and plain wrong. Time to take back those comments Mr. Fancy. I'll be waiting.

Cliffs notes for those of use who haven't had time to read all 72 pages yet?

During the NFL’s 2012 season, the percentage of African-­-American players decreased to 66.3 percent in

2012 from 66.6 percent during the 2011 season. The percentage of whites in 2012 decreased to 30.1 percent from 31 percent in 2011. The percentage of Latinos, Asian/Pacific Islander, “other” and international players were 0.7 percent, 1.1 percent, 1.8 percent and 1.4 percent, respectively.

QB

2012

white 79%African-American 21%

It says the NFL grade for race among players is an A+. Why did you leave that part out?

Because we're talking about a black QB prospect.

Did you check out the front office grades by the way?

I looked at all of them, yes. This thread is about players though so I didn't feel a need to comment on that. The article seems to be heavily supporting that there is nor racism against Black QBs, or any other players for that matter.

 

[johnjohn]

Listen, I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh. I don't share opinions with him. And sometimes, just sometimes, I think he says stuff just to incite people. Oh my god! I think the guy is a loon. You know what I do? Turn him off, don't listen to him, don't give him ratings, and avoid any conversation with people that are discussing him. It's my choice. I'm not gonna change Rush Limbaugh and he's not gonna change me. If anyone chooses to not subscribe to FBG, not buy the RSP, not come to these boards, that's your choice and I respect it. These are the moral choices we are faced with every day in life. Nobody owes any of you anything. I don't send Rush open letters or expect radio stations to take him off the air. I don't expect him to apologize for his beliefs just like I don't feel I should apologize for mine. All of this is just one more blip of bullcrap that we all have the choice to avoid or not avoid much like half the stuff on CNN, Fox News, ESPN, and the Food Network. Get over yourselves, make your choice, make it known if you want, and be done with it. Geez.

Difference is , Rush says political stuff on a political talk show, while Mr Waldman selfishly uses a football podcast to spew his garbage

This is getting better.

How so?

 

[johnb]

Listen, I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh. I don't share opinions with him. And sometimes, just sometimes, I think he says stuff just to incite people. Oh my god! I think the guy is a loon. You know what I do? Turn him off, don't listen to him, don't give him ratings, and avoid any conversation with people that are discussing him. It's my choice. I'm not gonna change Rush Limbaugh and he's not gonna change me. If anyone chooses to not subscribe to FBG, not buy the RSP, not come to these boards, that's your choice and I respect it. These are the moral choices we are faced with every day in life. Nobody owes any of you anything. I don't send Rush open letters or expect radio stations to take him off the air. I don't expect him to apologize for his beliefs just like I don't feel I should apologize for mine. All of this is just one more blip of bullcrap that we all have the choice to avoid or not avoid much like half the stuff on CNN, Fox News, ESPN, and the Food Network. Get over yourselves, make your choice, make it known if you want, and be done with it. Geez.

Difference is , Rush says political stuff on a political talk show, while Mr Waldman selfishly uses a football podcast to spew his garbage

So don't listen. Call the guy what you want, make it known, and get over it. Nobody owes anyone anything. People should be spending time talking football or the draft. How does this impact anyone's life?

 

[johnjohn]

Listen, I don't agree with Rush Limbaugh. I don't share opinions with him. And sometimes, just sometimes, I think he says stuff just to incite people. Oh my god! I think the guy is a loon. You know what I do? Turn him off, don't listen to him, don't give him ratings, and avoid any conversation with people that are discussing him. It's my choice. I'm not gonna change Rush Limbaugh and he's not gonna change me. If anyone chooses to not subscribe to FBG, not buy the RSP, not come to these boards, that's your choice and I respect it. These are the moral choices we are faced with every day in life. Nobody owes any of you anything. I don't send Rush open letters or expect radio stations to take him off the air. I don't expect him to apologize for his beliefs just like I don't feel I should apologize for mine. All of this is just one more blip of bullcrap that we all have the choice to avoid or not avoid much like half the stuff on CNN, Fox News, ESPN, and the Food Network. Get over yourselves, make your choice, make it known if you want, and be done with it. Geez.

Difference is , Rush says political stuff on a political talk show, while Mr Waldman selfishly uses a football podcast to spew his garbage

So don't listen. Call the guy what you want, make it known, and get over it. Nobody owes anyone anything. People should be spending time talking football or the draft. How does this impact anyone's life?

Where I am from, you do a group of people wrong, you man up and apologize, now I realize, Matt might not have been raised the same as me, and I have to deal with that