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Matthew Berry vs. David Dodds (1 Viewer)

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Just stumbled upon this link on the Today in Fantasy website and thought it was funny.

http://www.fantasypros.com/2010/08/matthew...fantasy-advice/

No surprise to us long time Footballguy Subscribers, but David Dodds is statically better (now we have proof).

Funny part of this, I'm participating in a local radio Fantasy Football Draft with NY's 1050 ESPN Radio and Matthew Berry will be there. I'm thinking of asking him about this article :lmao: .

 
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I'm sure Berry is crying all the way to the bank. Dude just got extended with ESPN...and I'm sure he's making considerable bank doing something we all would love to do!

Dodds is better, but there is no reason to hate on Berry. It reeks of sour grapes

 
This gives me a heckuva fun idea for a new article twist on "ranking the experts" this year. Line up 64 site owners and major media columnists and seed them like the NCAA tournament. Every week they answer 20-25 questions "Mathews or Shonn Greene this week?", "Arian Foster's total receiving yards this week?", etc. winners advance and after 6 week's, the champ is crowned. I'd be able to run the contest twice this year.

Thanks for the idea CrusHeD!

 
way cool.

Matthew Berry vs. David Dodds – Who gives better fantasy advice?

by dave on August, 24th 2010

A Heads up comparison of two heavyweights from ESPN and FootballGuys

Well, if you’ve been studying our accuracy scores, the answer is obvious. After slugging it out over 16 weeks in 2009, David Dodds beat out Matthew Berry in the key categories of RB, WR, QB, and TE accuracy. They split on DST and K, but this is the last time I’ll ever mention the word kicker in the first paragraph of a fantasy football post. Here’s how high their PAY™ (Prediction Accuracy Yield) was for the four key positions in 2009:

Accuracy Scores Running Back Wide Receiver Quarterback Tight End

Matthew Berry

ESPN 61.7% 56.4% 56.2% 53.6%

David Dodds

FootballGuys 65.2% 58.0% 57.3% 54.6%

So why am I bringing up something that can be easily found on our Accuracy Scores page? Am I just taking a cheap shot at Mr. Berry because he’s the most well know fantasy football expert? Or am I secretly on the FootballGuys payroll? Neither. OK, a little of the first (people like reading about Matthew Berry), and none of the second (although I’m open to free subscription offers).

I’m bringing up a specific example of two experts because I think it helps illustrate the foundation of how we do our accuracy assessments. A surprising number of people have actually taken the time to read about our methodology, so this seems to be an area of interest. Using the RB category as an example, let’s take a closer look at this expert faceoff:

This chart shows how often Matthew Berry and David Dodds agreed and disagreed with each other’s RB predictions. We basically ran a round robin of head-to-head player match-ups and noted which player each expert predicted would win, based on how they ranked them in their published rankings. Note that we scrubbed out predictions that all the experts in our pool agreed on (e.g. Chris Johnson vs. Mr. No Name Desperation Start), so this data only represents predictions where there was at least one expert backing each player being compared.

For RBs, these two experts disagreed with each other about 26% of the time. The reason why David Dodds performed better than Matthew Berry was because when they disagreed, he was more likely to be right. Here’s how often each was right when they argued:

That doesn’t tell the whole story though. Not all predictions are worth the same amount of value in Fantasy Football. When you make a great start/sit call, you’re rewarded handsomely with the difference in fantasy points between the guy you started and the guy you benched. We believe the magnitude of this benefit must be included in an accuracy assessment because this is the true benefit that you’re receiving from following the expert’s advice. Once we bake in the net fantasy points from each expert’s correct predictions, the spread between Berry and Dodds becomes a bit more pronounced. Basically, not only did Dodds get more of the disagreements correct, he also tended to get the more valuable predictions right. Here’s the difference once we bake in fantasy points:

The metric we use to measure accuracy is called PAY™ because it tells you what benefit you receive for following the expert’s advice. A 100% PAY™ would mean that following the expert’s advice would have given you the optimal lineup each week of the season. Note that the PAY™ amount in the chart above is different from what’s reported in the very first table because it only looks at match-ups where Berry and Dodds disagreed.

Also, keep in mind again that we only score predictions that are not unanimous among the experts. So these ratings represent the how the experts are doing with the relatively harder predictions in fantasy football. No one’s looking for advice on whether to start Chris Johnson over Mr. No Name. We believe we should base our accuracy assessment on the predictions that actually matter to fantasy players. A score in the 50′s and 60′s may look poor to you, but we all know how tough it is to get the close calls right. Similar to sports gambling, a small relative edge can mean all the difference between whether you make a trip to the cashier window or the ATM.

I hope this post helps to illustrate the approach we take for rating fantasy advice. Obviously, accuracy is only one benefit we get from listening to true experts. I’m still going to read what TMR has to say, but perhaps with a little less blind faith. The good news for Mr. Berry is that he gets to get in the ring with Dodds again this year for a rematch. May the best fantasy expert win!

Note: We’re planning on following up this post with a look at how these two guys did when they agreed and disagreed with the expert consensus opinion. So, not compared to each other but compared to the wisdom of the consensus rankings. Stay tuned for that insightful analysis…

Accuracy
 
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I take it as further validation that niche sites like ours can compete with the "big boys." Berry does good work, Dodds does good +1 work. Very proud to be associated with him.

 
I like Berry but he's just a personality puppet. His insight comes from ESPN's research team. If you listen to MB on his podcast when he's required to think on the fly he contradicts himself and gives out completely innacurate information. Nate Ravitz or Christopher Harris are much better analysts but are lacking in personality.

I'm not sure what is going on behind the scenes at footballguys but I can't think of any ESPN "proffesional" that gives out as deep and consistant information and any one of our boys here.

 
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All the big networks get clowns who just arent that good, my projections year to year are better than Chris Harris, Berry and Ravitz. They just state the obvious, i doubt they even know who Jalen Parmele or Tyrell Sutton are.

 
All the big networks get clowns who just arent that good, my projections year to year are better than Chris Harris, Berry and Ravitz. They just state the obvious, i doubt they even know who Jalen Parmele or Tyrell Sutton are.
That is true. I am sure that in their 6 day/50 hour week job they have yet to come across the likes of Jalen Parmele :lmao: . Take a step back and try to understand their audience...85% of their audience does not even need to know who Justin Forsett is. They break down the bigger guns and the "big" sleepers end up being the Mac Floyd's of the world.
 
This gives me a heckuva fun idea for a new article twist on "ranking the experts" this year. Line up 64 site owners and major media columnists and seed them like the NCAA tournament. Every week they answer 20-25 1 questions "Mathews or Shonn Greene this week?", "Arian Foster's total receiving yards this week?", etc. winners advance and after 6 week's, the champ is crowned. I'd be able to run the contest twice this year.

Thanks for the idea CrusHeD!
I just made your life way easier. Make it the same question too.
 
i CAN NOT stand berry. i used to download the espn fantasy podcasts but i just can't get past him. i feel he recycles information. knows very little about the game of football outside of espn highlight reels. he banters with unfunny remarks throughout the show. wow . i hate this guy. can't believe anyone likes him. i thought we are here at footballguys cause we expect better? dodds, cecil and bloom are on a different level.

 
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I HATE Berry. Unless this is your first year playing fantasy football, the guy offers nothing. Draft Peyton Manning. Wow. Really? Thanks Berry. There are about 1000 guys on this board that would eat that guys lunch in a real league with real FF guys. I liked that nerdy guy with the glasses a lot better.

The fantasy specials are a friggin joke too. I remember the first Fantasy draft they all had and Suzy "Yummy" Cobbler drafted Brett Favre in the first round and the Ravens defense in the second round. Nice.

He is perfect for ESPN though. They are completely and totally sold out and all fluff and BS. The analysts there suck ###. Berry fits right in with them.

 
I coached my daughters young traveling club basketball team, like in 5th grade......we were playing a team of girls from a rival town comprised of girls that my daughter and her teamates would square off against the next few years in middle school and then on into high school.....we were dominating them......the girls came to the bench....there wasn't a whole lot to say...but this is what I said......

"let them know NOW.....and send the message NOW....that they will never beat you....."

:goodposting: Dodds.........

 
Dodds is obviously far more knowledgeable than Berry, but espn fantasy is meant to appeal to the masses. Berry knows enough for what his job requires. He also does fantasy baseball, so he doesn't study football year round.

 
This just goes to show what you should be able to tell by watching Berry. He's a typical, mass-media fantasy football moron. Maybe a better moron than the other mass-media fantasy guys, but that's not really a big prize now is it?

 
Footballguys does advertise on that site.

With that being said.....there is no doubt FBG is the best site out there. Has been for years. :lmao:

 
I coached my daughters young traveling club basketball team, like in 5th grade......we were playing a team of girls from a rival town comprised of girls that my daughter and her teamates would square off against the next few years in middle school and then on into high school.....we were dominating them......the girls came to the bench....there wasn't a whole lot to say...but this is what I said......

"let them know NOW.....and send the message NOW....that they will never beat you....."

:thumbup: Dodds.........
Nice, off topic here but... I think back to my high school days and some teams never ever beat us through little league to high school. I remember one team, at one time would make us fight for it, just basically were going through the motions. I am glad I was never on a team like that... Nice line, no one ever told us that but we felt it, way to get them thinking.This site is the best. I am a long time poster at another site too. This one is better for the most part.

 
Dodds is also better at poker and at stock market prognostication. Berry makes a better cobbler and is the superior Parcheesi player.

 
Funny part of this, I'm participating in a local radio Fantasy Football Draft with NY's 1050 ESPN Radio and Matthew Berry will be there. I'm thinking of asking him about this article ;) .
OT, but did you play last year? It was a mess! After round five, they gave us the players of the person sitting across from us. ANd we could get no help to fix it. Finally decided to trust a bunch of strangers, dropped all of our players and retrieved the right ones after waivers cleared. Also, never ever communicated with us again telling us who made playoffs or won. SO, be sure to get a legit contact name from someone while you are there.
 
i CAN NOT stand berry. i used to download the espn fantasy podcasts but i just can't get past him. i feel he recycles information. knows very little about the game of football outside of espn highlight reels. he banters with unfunny remarks throughout the show. wow . i hate this guy. can't believe anyone likes him. i thought we are here at footballguys cause we expect better? dodds, cecil and bloom are on a different level.
He did NAIL Miles Austin the week b4 he went off... just saying :goodposting:
 
Interesting that Yahoo beat both dodds and berry in WR/TE/QB Categories though.... :thumbup:
For several years, I've used two information sources, FBG and another, with the other changing year to year. For the past 4-5 seasons, Dodds SEEMS to be significantly better than Brand X at RB projection/prediction and worse than Brand X at QB and TE. WR is usually a tossup. Before anyone asks, I don't have a Chase Stuart or Doug Drinen caliber statistical study that proves my assertions, and I will certainly not suggest that past performance is an indicator of future results, but I can tell you that I am sufficiently convinced of the validity of this trend to adjust my draft preparation accordingly. This season, I've fine tuned my scoring setups to best place both sources on equal footing, and I'll pay even more attention to QB vs. RB vs. WR vs. TE and see if the apparent trends continue. I'm sure a lot of the results vary due to league scoring differences as well as league size, etc., and I also believe that it is difficult to declare what is "better" performance in some areas. Should more weight be given to top ten projections, sleepers, being right more often, or being right about the players who have the greatest differential between the two prognosticators? In the end, what I've seen might be anomalies that have more to do with my specific league(s), but it's certainly got my attention for now.
 
By the way, my focus was on preseason projections, predictions only -- not weekly rankings. And I don't for a second think that FBG/Dodds is anything but the best site for FF. It's just logical in at least my warped mind that different people have differing strengths and/or focus better on individual positions.

 
ESPN's fantasy coverage is much better at baseball than football, their staff writers have done very well in Tout Wars but really aren't as good as FBG and other sites when it comes to football. I enjoy listening to Berry and Ravitz together although sometimes they can be annoying too.

 
I don't mind Berry's podcasts. It is easy to listen to on my phone when I have 30 mins to kill getting ready or making dinner. I don't always agree with him, but he brings up good points and always has the latest news and rumors.

 

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