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Maurice Jones-Drew's value (1 Viewer)
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NYCGangGreen
Footballguy
He played well last week w/o doubt. But the Indy turf helped him a bit with footing and such. He has great value in keeper/dynasty leagues, or as a handcuff to Taylor. If you have roster room hold onto him in case fred should get hurt. But to me it seems that fred is the clear #1 until further notice. He may be a sneaky Flex play against teams with treacherous run D, and when Jac has a commanding lead they will run out the clock, but in close games i don't see much production from him.
I hope I am wrong though....have him in my Dynasty!
I hope I am wrong though....have him in my Dynasty!
How did the Indy turf help him and not help all the other players on the field? Didn't all the other players play on the exact same surface as he did? In fact, I think the Indy turf hurt him, if anything, as he slipped and fell on a couple of plays where he was about to make a huge gain. The commentators even noted it.NYCGangGreen said:
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
While Taylor is clearly the starter in Jax, you have to think that the Jaguars' coaching staff was inpressed with Drew's play last Sunday. I don't think Drew will put up some decent games vs. weak oppenents. I just put a bid in for him in my Dynasty silent auction, but if I do land him this week, I will sit him at Washington in favor of Maroney and Gore.B-Deep said:
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
In a 12+ team leagues that start 2 RB's, I think he offers good value for bye weeks to your starters especially with PPR scoring. I picked him up in a league where my top 4 RB's have the same bye week (Week 7). That's just the way my draft worked out (SJax, Bush, Jones/Benson, C.Brown). I plan on playing him in Week 7 @ Houston.
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NYCGangGreen
Footballguy
How?? Have you watched the Rams in the last 6 years?? Some players excell on TURF.....no moisture in the surface and no cleats getting muddy/dirty.They have quicker bursts then they do on natural grass. It's a known commodity in the NFL....some teams prefer it, while some don't. it also works against some players. Ricky Williams for one always preferred natural surfaces.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I drafted him in all my leagues (20 man rosters).
My guess is he will start at least 1 game this year. IMO Odds are against Fred staying healthy all season.
My guess is he will start at least 1 game this year. IMO Odds are against Fred staying healthy all season.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I finally found a better prospect than Wally Lundy on my WW.
His name is Drew.
It is unlikely I will use him this year (wer start-2 and I have LT, TBell - both done with byes after this week - Reggie Bush, MTurner, Ced Ben, plus Drew).
But, if he IS thrust into the limelight - esp. if Taylor has a season ending injury - Bush and/or TBell become expendable. He should be on a roster for his upside.
His name is Drew.
It is unlikely I will use him this year (wer start-2 and I have LT, TBell - both done with byes after this week - Reggie Bush, MTurner, Ced Ben, plus Drew).
But, if he IS thrust into the limelight - esp. if Taylor has a season ending injury - Bush and/or TBell become expendable. He should be on a roster for his upside.
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Well, I'm a UCLA fan so I've been high on Drew for awhile. But I LOVED what I saw last week. Turf or no turf, the JAX coaching staff decided he was the right guy in their biggest game of the year so far. He was in for crucial situations. This will turn into RBBC, and if Taylor gets dinged he could be huge - the type of guy who can help win you a championship. I got him today in a big free agent bidding war, with the knowledge that I may go weeks without playing him. But I don't just want "guys", or backups. I'm looking for players who can bust out if an opportunity arises...
LongDrivethenFoozle
Footballguy
Mo J.D. will make a substantial mark! Take the time to watch his 2006 Draft video clips on Yahoo! It will blow your mind! Listing him at 5'8" is about 2" of "free" height......but after you watch his film you will see why that is a good thing. Powerful and shifty RB's that are next to impossible to take out low are going to become the "flavor" again! This kid can re-direct and take out the knees of would be tacklers better then any back I've see since Joe Morris. If you watch the film and don't get "goosebumps" you are without pulse! I think he was the moct productive RB last year in all of college FB......yeah I know Reggie was awesome.....but Jones Drew was a TOTAL WORK-HORSE THAT DID WHAT BOTH REGGIE AND LINDALE DID! Go to Yahoo sports NFL and scroll to bottom, click 2006 draft and bring up rd 2. Click the camera next to his name and be sure to grab a beer.......you'll see whats to come! 
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I understand excitement, but I don't know about comparing him to Reggie Bush.
I watched both players, and Bush was in a league of his own in college.
I watched both players, and Bush was in a league of his own in college.
grandmaster192
Shining Greatness
I think your letting ESPN and there hype fool you. Drew is a very simuler plaer to Bush IMO.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I have never wished for injury to Fred Taylor - I root for him regularly whether or not he's on my squad - and I have a soft spot for the Jags as I thought they've been a hair away from being "Bowl-ready" for the last two years. But, I'd like to see Drew in a full time role.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I watched them both in college - a lot.Maybe you are getting carried away with Bruin hype.grandmaster192
Shining Greatness
I to watched them in college. They are two of my favorite players......I think they are both simuler players that are both very good at multiple things.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Then what was with the "you believe the ESPN hype?"
Don't you think that as a FBGuy staff member, I may have watched a bit of football myself and can think independently of what ESPN tells me?
Part of being excellent around the Shark Pool is not dismissing other poster's football knowledge with degrading comments.
Don't you think that as a FBGuy staff member, I may have watched a bit of football myself and can think independently of what ESPN tells me?
Part of being excellent around the Shark Pool is not dismissing other poster's football knowledge with degrading comments.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Bush is special. Maybe the best RB to come into the league since LT2. Really not a good comparison at the end of the day.Having said that, I love the moves Jones-Drew has been showing in the NFL. IMO Add some muscle mass on his legs, a good spin move and a better straight arm and he is a poor man's Barry Sanders. I would like to see how he holds up with more touches.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
I'm thinking back to Barry - His thighs were each the size of my waist.he's ALL muscle mass in his legs.
No, I agree, He has good leg mass, I was just making the comparison to him and Barry (who IMO had freaky leg mass). Does he remind you of Sanders at all?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
A little bit. More than Reggie Bush does. Reggie Bush reminds me more of Faulk and LT - he's a fluid runner whose moves BETWEEN the tackles are the most impressive thing about his game. Drew reminds me more of Barry in that he gets hit, but doesn't go down, and he is able to "squirt" out of tackles - and his burst of speed is probably as good as I've ever seen.I'm thinking back to Barry - His thighs were each the size of my waist.
grandmaster192
Shining Greatness
I'm not dismissing your foorball knowledge. Besides...I'm still a NFL newbie myself.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Agree completely on both calls. I see alot of LT in Bush. He also has a few moves I haven't seen since Gayle Sayers.Exactly on the "squirt" call too. Drew reminds me of Sanders in the stop and start/jitterbug type moves. He seems able to jump in and jump out of very tight spaces and then hit a hole with a burst. I wasn't sure he would be able to do that on this level when he came out of school. Still not completely sold, but I'm getting there.I love Fred (being a Gator), but I wouldn't be surprised to see a RBBC develop here. Del Rio was planning on using Greg Jones to spell Taylor before the season. My guess is he is going to try to get touches to Drew now to take some of the load off.A little bit. More than Reggie Bush does. Reggie Bush reminds me more of Faulk and LT - he's a fluid runner whose moves BETWEEN the tackles are the most impressive thing about his game. Drew reminds me more of Barry in that he gets hit, but doesn't go down, and he is able to "squirt" out of tackles - and his burst of speed is probably as good as I've ever seen.I'm thinking back to Barry - His thighs were each the size of my waist.
Paranoia
Footballguy
Taylor is not going to lose his job when they are winning and he is producing the way he has. My prediction is that Del Rio limits Fred to around 20 carries a game and as long as he is getting first downs he will stay the number one.
Last week was great for Drew's value in keeper leagues and was enhanced as a hand cuff in redraft leagues.
Fred Taylor owner.
Last week was great for Drew's value in keeper leagues and was enhanced as a hand cuff in redraft leagues.
Fred Taylor owner.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
The Jags will run the ball between 450 and 500 times this year. 481 in 2003, 446 in 2004, 502 in 2005 - and a 12-4 record - so I don't expect a drop below 450 carries this year. If Del Rio runs it 475 times, that is 30 carries per game. Fred Taylor has been systematically phazed out of the Jags passing game, but he is getting his 20 carries.I can't see a RBBC - as long as Taylor is healthy, Del Rio will get him around 20 carries per game (21, 22, and 21 so far). I foresee Drew getting 7 or 8 carries every game, 4 to 6 targets. More if the Jags get ahead of people.I don't see a RBBC in Jax this year - I think Drew is huge if taylor gets hurt, but will only be spradically worthy of a fantasy start while Taylor is healthy.Agree completely on both calls. I see alot of LT in Bush. He also has a few moves I haven't seen since Gayle Sayers.Exactly on the "squirt" call too. Drew reminds me of Sanders in the stop and start/jitterbug type moves. He seems able to jump in and jump out of very tight spaces and then hit a hole with a burst. I wasn't sure he would be able to do that on this level when he came out of school. Still not completely sold, but I'm getting there.I love Fred (being a Gator), but I wouldn't be surprised to see a RBBC develop here. Del Rio was planning on using Greg Jones to spell Taylor before the season. My guess is he is going to try to get touches to Drew now to take some of the load off.A little bit. More than Reggie Bush does. Reggie Bush reminds me more of Faulk and LT - he's a fluid runner whose moves BETWEEN the tackles are the most impressive thing about his game. Drew reminds me more of Barry in that he gets hit, but doesn't go down, and he is able to "squirt" out of tackles - and his burst of speed is probably as good as I've ever seen.I'm thinking back to Barry - His thighs were each the size of my waist.
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
ok - finally - I disagree.The Jags will run the ball between 450 and 500 times this year. 481 in 2003, 446 in 2004, 502 in 2005 - and a 12-4 record - so I don't expect a drop below 450 carries this year. If Del Rio runs it 475 times, that is 30 carries per game. Fred Taylor has been systematically phazed out of the Jags passing game, but he is getting his 20 carries.I can't see a RBBC - as long as Taylor is healthy, Del Rio will get him around 20 carries per game (21, 22, and 21 so far). I foresee Drew getting 7 or 8 carries every game, 4 to 6 targets. More if the Jags get ahead of people.I don't see a RBBC in Jax this year - I think Drew is huge if taylor gets hurt, but will only be spradically worthy of a fantasy start while Taylor is healthy.Agree completely on both calls. I see alot of LT in Bush. He also has a few moves I haven't seen since Gayle Sayers.Exactly on the "squirt" call too. Drew reminds me of Sanders in the stop and start/jitterbug type moves. He seems able to jump in and jump out of very tight spaces and then hit a hole with a burst. I wasn't sure he would be able to do that on this level when he came out of school. Still not completely sold, but I'm getting there.I love Fred (being a Gator), but I wouldn't be surprised to see a RBBC develop here. Del Rio was planning on using Greg Jones to spell Taylor before the season. My guess is he is going to try to get touches to Drew now to take some of the load off.A little bit. More than Reggie Bush does. Reggie Bush reminds me more of Faulk and LT - he's a fluid runner whose moves BETWEEN the tackles are the most impressive thing about his game. Drew reminds me more of Barry in that he gets hit, but doesn't go down, and he is able to "squirt" out of tackles - and his burst of speed is probably as good as I've ever seen.I'm thinking back to Barry - His thighs were each the size of my waist.
I'm thinking a little closer to 500 atts with the way the defense is playing. 32 carries a game - 20 to Taylor/10-12 to Drew. Throw in a few receptions and he is in the 14-18 touch range. IMO close enough to call it a committee approach for me. 
. From a fantasy perspective, though, Drew's value probably remains limited while Taylor is healthy.But if Taylor gets hurt, watch out. Drew could be a huge - especially late in the season.OK sleep time. Work in 3 hours. -
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I can see 500 attempts, but you are not factoring in rushes by other RBs, by FBs, by the QB, and trick plays to WRs.
B-Deep
Footballguy
hmmmmhow much will his role increase if taylor goes down? Do they have faith he can handle the load, or will toefield get the bulk of the carries?that was my concern, i like his upside, but not sure he'll EVER get the carries.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
As a floor, I'd double his number of carries.He is "da man" you want on that squad if Taylor gets hurt. Even if they work Toefiled in some. just look at he carry distribution last year when Taylor went down - folks got chances. And, as I have said many times, T + O = FPDrew's Talent is such that 15 carries and 3 or 4 catches could be enough Opportunity to create great Fantasy Points.If Taylor were to be hurt, then, IMO, Drew = top-15 RB. Toefield = RB30 or so.
Yes, I have. As a former diehard Ram fan with a casual rooting interest for them now, I've watched most of their games. However, they still were faster and quicker than pretty much every team regardless of the surface. Having actually played on artifical turf myself, I completely understand that the cuts are quicker and you get a quicker burst. I wasn't a terribly fast player, but I was faster on turf. The guys that were burners on my team were burners on grass and turf, and they certainly were faster than me on grass, as well.I guess what I am saying is that I have yet to see concrete proof of what you say. I'm not saying that you aren't right, but I am basing this on both experience and logic. Why would one person's quickness and speed increase more than another? Isn't the increase going to aid everyone? The fastest guy is still going to be the fastest guy on both surfaces. If you have evidence that this is true, then I'd love to see it. Now, playing on muddy, wet surfaces is definitely the great equalizer. Players that rely on cuts will no longer be able to make them as sharply, which aids those that don't or are trying to defend against them.Virtually all players prefered playing on natural surfaces prior to the advent of Field Turf as opposed to the old artificial turf. Many careers were ended due to the old artificial turf.
I agree with you in one way, but disagree in another. Yes, Bush was unbelievable in college.However, Reggie was aided greatly by those around him. His OL was one of the best in college football (some argue one of the best in college football history). Defenses couldn't key entirely on him because they'd get torched by Dwayne Jarrett, Steve Smith, Byrd, and Mike Williams before them.Maurice Drew, although surrounded by one elite talent in Marcedes Lewis, didn't really have that benefit. Drew Olson didn't scare anyone even during one of the greatest seasons in UCLA history. I doubt anyone on this board outside of UCLA fans and perhaps a few Pac-10 fans could name you a single receiver on UCLA's team. Maurice Drew single-handedly won games for UCLA. Reggie Bush helped win games for USC, but I don't know if you can say that he single-handedly won them games. I can't really recall any particular games, but it's entirely possible that he did. I just think Maurice did more with less. Reggie did a whole lot with more.Maurice was also a far more productive punt returner.I guess what I am saying is that if you put Maurice Drew on USC (which Pete Carroll tried unsuccessfully to do), and put Reggie Bush on UCLA, whose game/stats do you think elevated or dropped more? I think they are a lot closer in talent than you do.Regardless, they both were absolutely incredible in college and will both be great NFL players.
LongDrivethenFoozle
Footballguy
I'm with "Dogg" on this one......it is amazing the negative thoughts coming from the East when a great player comes from the Pac 10. You never read thoughtless negative bashing towards other conference studs from Pac 10 alums. I think appreciation of talent has no boundaries......maybe it's because the Eastern folk get stuck with the best games being on later then they want to watch them. But Jones-Drew was.....and will be capable of "getting his"......just take the time to watch the film. He was the best "high-light" reel of 2005 College Football......Bush had his, but Jones-Drew was without an all NFL line!
LongDrivethenFoozle
Footballguy
Don't wait too long......Barry Sanders comparisons are not that farfetched. Jax will make noise this year and Mo-J.D. will become Byron's "Best Friend". Don't even trip about the guy needing to prove himself more......let him do that and you'll never own him. 
Shermanator
Footballguy
BUMP.
Does Drew have a shot at being the #1 guy next year? Or is there no way Taylor loses his job to him?
I have to think that as long as TAylor is there, he is the #1 back. Perhaps Fred will be somewhere else next year clearing the way for Drew
Does Drew have a shot at being the #1 guy next year? Or is there no way Taylor loses his job to him?
I have to think that as long as TAylor is there, he is the #1 back. Perhaps Fred will be somewhere else next year clearing the way for Drew
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
It your league gives return yds... then not only is in your roster... but you need to find room in you starting line up.
Mr. Brownstone
Footballguy
I believe that all depends on the health of Greg Jones. He is Del Rio's favorite style of player, hands down.
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