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If that was true then you would have to figure Jenkins would be lower as well.Cornerbacks
1. Morris Claiborne*, LSU
2. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
3. Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
4. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
5. Dre Kirkpatrick*, Alabama
Notes: Mayock presumably ranked Jenkins based on his 2010 tape at Florida, because buzz among small-school insiders is that he was not dominant in one year at North Alabama. Mayock has compared Johnson to Kansas City's Brandon Flowers for his highly competitive play. Claiborne won the 2011 Thorpe Award as the nation's top defensive back and is a consensus top-five player. Kirkpatrick is ranked relatively low here, perhaps due to his recent marijuana arrest.
If that was true then you would have to figure Jenkins would be lower as well.Cornerbacks
1. Morris Claiborne*, LSU
2. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
3. Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
4. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
5. Dre Kirkpatrick*, Alabama
Notes: Mayock presumably ranked Jenkins based on his 2010 tape at Florida, because buzz among small-school insiders is that he was not dominant in one year at North Alabama. Mayock has compared Johnson to Kansas City's Brandon Flowers for his highly competitive play. Claiborne won the 2011 Thorpe Award as the nation's top defensive back and is a consensus top-five player. Kirkpatrick is ranked relatively low here, perhaps due to his recent marijuana arrest.
There must be a lot of weed in Alabama.
If that was true then you would have to figure Jenkins would be lower as well.Cornerbacks
1. Morris Claiborne*, LSU
2. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
3. Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
4. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
5. Dre Kirkpatrick*, Alabama
Notes: Mayock presumably ranked Jenkins based on his 2010 tape at Florida, because buzz among small-school insiders is that he was not dominant in one year at North Alabama. Mayock has compared Johnson to Kansas City's Brandon Flowers for his highly competitive play. Claiborne won the 2011 Thorpe Award as the nation's top defensive back and is a consensus top-five player. Kirkpatrick is ranked relatively low here, perhaps due to his recent marijuana arrest.
You've got to find some way to kill the time during the offseason. What else do they all have to look forward to other than college football in that state?There must be a lot of weed in Alabama.
If that was true then you would have to figure Jenkins would be lower as well.Cornerbacks
1. Morris Claiborne*, LSU
2. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
3. Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
4. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
5. Dre Kirkpatrick*, Alabama
Notes: Mayock presumably ranked Jenkins based on his 2010 tape at Florida, because buzz among small-school insiders is that he was not dominant in one year at North Alabama. Mayock has compared Johnson to Kansas City's Brandon Flowers for his highly competitive play. Claiborne won the 2011 Thorpe Award as the nation's top defensive back and is a consensus top-five player. Kirkpatrick is ranked relatively low here, perhaps due to his recent marijuana arrest.
He is underrated, kid can play.WTF is Chris Givens doing on there
Jenkins weed problems were in Gainesville, FL. I can assure you that there is a lot of weed there.There must be a lot of weed in Alabama.
If that was true then you would have to figure Jenkins would be lower as well.Cornerbacks
1. Morris Claiborne*, LSU
2. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama
3. Alfonzo Dennard, Nebraska
4. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
5. Dre Kirkpatrick*, Alabama
Notes: Mayock presumably ranked Jenkins based on his 2010 tape at Florida, because buzz among small-school insiders is that he was not dominant in one year at North Alabama. Mayock has compared Johnson to Kansas City's Brandon Flowers for his highly competitive play. Claiborne won the 2011 Thorpe Award as the nation's top defensive back and is a consensus top-five player. Kirkpatrick is ranked relatively low here, perhaps due to his recent marijuana arrest.
AGREED!!!!!! I plan to scoop him up in the third round.He is underrated, kid can play.WTF is Chris Givens doing on there
At least now we know that the Vikings' secondary was clean!!Weed must be a performance enhancing drug for cornerbacks. Kirkpatrick, Jenkins and Cliff Harris were all ranked high and then they were all busted for getting high.
Very true.At least now we know that the Vikings' secondary was clean!!Weed must be a performance enhancing drug for cornerbacks. Kirkpatrick, Jenkins and Cliff Harris were all ranked high and then they were all busted for getting high.![]()
But he has sooooooooooooo much potential... I have to agree unfortunately though lolVontaze Burfict has bust written all over him
Yea I can't see that one at all.Reiff over Kalil??WOW!!![]()
This is someone's name?Based on the blurb he has draft day slider written all over him - and those guys never contribute. A true bust would be drafted top 10, most likely as a pass rusher. Seems that position is about as risky as they come.Vontaze Burfict has bust written all over him
I'd love the Chargers to take a chance on him. It seems to be that his rage is a tad overblown and could be reined in. Not in the 1st, but I'd be fine trading up in the 2nd.This is someone's name?Based on the blurb he has draft day slider written all over him - and those guys never contribute. A true bust would be drafted top 10, most likely as a pass rusher. Seems that position is about as risky as they come.Vontaze Burfict has bust written all over him
I believe McShay and Kiper both have him as a top 25 player on their big boards. If not quite that high, he's considered a 1st rounder by most.IMO, any 1st round pick that isnt at least a starter or significant contributor for at least 5 years in the NFL is a bust. I dont think you need to be a top 10 pick.This is someone's name?Based on the blurb he has draft day slider written all over him - and those guys never contribute. A true bust would be drafted top 10, most likely as a pass rusher. Seems that position is about as risky as they come.Vontaze Burfict has bust written all over him
I know that seems surprising since Kalil has bee the consensus top tackle by most. But is Mayocks ranking really shocking? I can't imagine many people have watched a ton of film on BOTH guys, seeing as how they play in different regions. I know I certainly haven't seen enough of these guys to say anything with emphasis, but I'm sure Mayocks has. That's one of the things that gets to me about the draft...about 99% of people react as though they have a real sense of each player directly, when the truth is all but a very few -- ahem -- obsessive fans really have a good sense on more than a handful of players they see on a regular basis.Reiff over Kalil??WOW!!![]()
Very true...I did have the chance to watch each team about 3 times and it just looked like Kalil dominated each game while Reiff was just solid...but it was the first time that I have seen anyone have Kalil not far and away the #1.I know that seems surprising since Kalil has bee the consensus top tackle by most. But is Mayocks ranking really shocking? I can't imagine many people have watched a ton of film on BOTH guys, seeing as how they play in different regions. I know I certainly haven't seen enough of these guys to say anything with emphasis, but I'm sure Mayocks has. That's one of the things that gets to me about the draft...about 99% of people react as though they have a real sense of each player directly, when the truth is all but a very few -- ahem -- obsessive fans really have a good sense on more than a handful of players they see on a regular basis.Reiff over Kalil??WOW!!![]()
Dont forget Calibourne and his 'Synthetic Pot'Weed must be a performance enhancing drug for cornerbacks. Kirkpatrick, Jenkins and Cliff Harris were all ranked high and then they were all busted for getting high.
Mathieu was the one suspended...not sure if Claiborne was involved but not punished.Dont forget Calibourne and his 'Synthetic Pot'Weed must be a performance enhancing drug for cornerbacks. Kirkpatrick, Jenkins and Cliff Harris were all ranked high and then they were all busted for getting high.
I could be very wrong.... But I think that Burfict could very easily be the steal of the draft. I think that he is an elite talent, who's range and desire will make him thrive in the NFL. He is a game changer, and could instantly change the dynamic of a team's defense.I am hoping that the Eagles draft him, because I think his presence and range will instantly upgrade all 3 LB positions. But sadly, that is why they won't draft him.Vontaze Burfict has bust written all over him
I have only seen Kalil play once or twice, but I have seen Reiff a handful of times and he never struck me as the #1 tackle in a draft class type of talent.'Jason Wood said:I know that seems surprising since Kalil has bee the consensus top tackle by most. But is Mayocks ranking really shocking? I can't imagine many people have watched a ton of film on BOTH guys, seeing as how they play in different regions. I know I certainly haven't seen enough of these guys to say anything with emphasis, but I'm sure Mayocks has. That's one of the things that gets to me about the draft...about 99% of people react as though they have a real sense of each player directly, when the truth is all but a very few -- ahem -- obsessive fans really have a good sense on more than a handful of players they see on a regular basis.'FunkyPlutos said:Reiff over Kalil??WOW!!![]()
I have only seen Kalil play once or twice, but I have seen Reiff a handful of times and he never struck me as the #1 tackle in a draft class type of talent.'Jason Wood said:I know that seems surprising since Kalil has bee the consensus top tackle by most. But is Mayocks ranking really shocking? I can't imagine many people have watched a ton of film on BOTH guys, seeing as how they play in different regions. I know I certainly haven't seen enough of these guys to say anything with emphasis, but I'm sure Mayocks has. That's one of the things that gets to me about the draft...about 99% of people react as though they have a real sense of each player directly, when the truth is all but a very few -- ahem -- obsessive fans really have a good sense on more than a handful of players they see on a regular basis.'FunkyPlutos said:Reiff over Kalil??WOW!!![]()
that's evan silva's take on Mayock's top five
Excerpt on the offensive skill position players:
With the NFL Scouting Combine beginning on February 22, Mike Mayock updates his position-by-position rankings for the 2012 NFL Draft. Changes from last month's initial rankings are noted below each position.
Quarterback
1. Andrew Luck, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
3. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
5. Nick Foles, Arizona
New entries: Weeden, Foles
Running Back
1. Trent Richardson, Alabama
2. David Wilson, Virginia Tech
3. Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.)
4. Doug Martin, Boise State
5. LaMichael James, Oregon
Wide Receiver
1. Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
2. Kendall Wright, Baylor
3. Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
4. Rueben Randle, LSU
5. Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina
Rise: Wright
Fall: Floyd, Jeffery
New entry: Randle
Out: Wake Forest's Chris Givens
Tight End
1. Orson Charles, Georgia
2. Coby Fleener, Stanford
3. Dwayne Allen, Clemson
4. Deangelo Peterson, LSU
5. Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette
Rise: Charles
Fall: Allen, Green
New entry: Peterson
Out: Missouri's Michael Egnew
I know Mayock uses NFL sources to mold his rankings....but how could Kirkpatrick possibly be the #5 cornerback? Even if he drops from the arrest issue...still can't see a situation where he drops below 4 others.
Cornerback1. Morris Claiborne, LSU2. Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama3. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama4. Trumaine Johnson, Montana5. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
D'oh....yea looked at the wrong ranking...makes more sense now.I know Mayock uses NFL sources to mold his rankings....but how could Kirkpatrick possibly be the #5 cornerback? Even if he drops from the arrest issue...still can't see a situation where he drops below 4 others.Code:Cornerback1. Morris Claiborne, LSU2. Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama3. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama4. Trumaine Johnson, Montana5. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
Oh, I see the confusion. Kirkpatrick was #5 on the initial ranking. He is now #2.
I swear these guys just post rankings that are all over the place so they can go back at some point and say, "see I once had player X rated as my number 3 CB." I've watched Dre for 2 seasons now where I looked at at least 5 games in each. The dude NEVER had any business being ranked bellow 3 at CB. He should easily be ranked #2 IMO. It should have been that way for a long time now.D'oh....yea looked at the wrong ranking...makes more sense now.I know Mayock uses NFL sources to mold his rankings....but how could Kirkpatrick possibly be the #5 cornerback? Even if he drops from the arrest issue...still can't see a situation where he drops below 4 others.Code:Cornerback1. Morris Claiborne, LSU2. Dre Kirkpatrick, Alabama3. Janoris Jenkins, North Alabama4. Trumaine Johnson, Montana5. Leonard Johnson, Iowa State
Oh, I see the confusion. Kirkpatrick was #5 on the initial ranking. He is now #2.
With pro days in full swing, Mike Mayock updates his position-by-position rankings for the 2012 NFL Draft. Changes from his post-combine rankings are noted below each position.
Quarterback
1. Andrew Luck, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
3. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
4. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
5. Kirk Cousins, Michigan State
Running Back
1. Trent Richardson, Alabama
2. Doug Martin, Boise State
3. David Wilson, Virginia Tech
4. Lamar Miller, Miami (Fla.)
5. LaMichael James, Oregon
Wide Receiver
1. Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
3. Michael Floyd, Notre Dame
2. Kendall Wright, Baylor
4. Stephen Hill, Georgia Tech
5. Alshon Jeffery, South Carolina
Now, according to PFT, Jayron Hosley failed drug tests at CombineWeed must be a performance enhancing drug for cornerbacks. Kirkpatrick, Jenkins and Cliff Harris were all ranked high and then they were all busted for getting high.
People can't change their mind? - he's on the record 24/7, cut him some slack.Mayock has turned into such a puppet-Chandler Jones goes from the fringe of his top 5 DE's to a top 10 pick-And Fletcher Cox-Gilmore wasn't even in his top 5 CB's, now he's a top 10 pick?-McClellin? I don't know. He didn't rank him in his top 5 either-Lamar Miller was ranked above Doug Martin, now he's 82nd and Martin's 17th?-Chris Givens was the #5 WR, now there are 12 WR's in his top 100 and none of them are Givens-My own gripe about the Cleveland QB situation - first he says Colt is a franchise QB (vs. Pittsburgh in December - his last game of the year), then he says the Browns have to take Tannehill, now he's saying Weeden. He used to have a mind of his own, but now he just parrots what others tell him.
If it were just a couple of isolated cases, yes, but this is a laundry list. As a general rule, if your board looks much different at the end of April than it did at the end of January you're doing it wrong.People can't change their mind? - he's on the record 24/7, cut him some slack.Mayock has turned into such a puppet-Chandler Jones goes from the fringe of his top 5 DE's to a top 10 pick-And Fletcher Cox-Gilmore wasn't even in his top 5 CB's, now he's a top 10 pick?-McClellin? I don't know. He didn't rank him in his top 5 either-Lamar Miller was ranked above Doug Martin, now he's 82nd and Martin's 17th?-Chris Givens was the #5 WR, now there are 12 WR's in his top 100 and none of them are Givens-My own gripe about the Cleveland QB situation - first he says Colt is a franchise QB (vs. Pittsburgh in December - his last game of the year), then he says the Browns have to take Tannehill, now he's saying Weeden. He used to have a mind of his own, but now he just parrots what others tell him.