McFadden after week 7? (1 Viewer)

[Ministry of Pain]

Lot of people talking about Darren McFadden and what he did on Sunday. I understand most owners just look at the stats and could give two spits less about how the numbers came about. But sharks and hawks want to know what really happened, this is how you get the edge over other owners. I'll be very frank, if you own him sell him as fast as humanly possible. Dyansty owners, this is your chance to recoup some of that 1.01/1.02 investment you spent on one of the busts of the decade a couple years ago in the fantasy world.

And I understand many of you will be thinking "MOP, the guy had a nice game, why pick on him or tear him down?" Because this is the window of opp that owners have needed. When the game mattered in the 1st half he was not a factor. I am going to break down his touches and you'll understand why because half of you that own him didn't even watch the game yesterday and are just happy he finally produced. Allow me to give you a guided tour please. Also to remain safe please keep your arms and legs, fins and flippers, talons and beaks inside the moving vehicle at all times.

1st drive of the day for Oakland and they look like they want to get McFadden involved early. 1st play of the drive and they try and set up McFadden but the ball is incomplete. Takes two to tango and Campbell doesn't always help matters but most RBs are pretty sure handed and catch a higher percentage of short passes their way. Same drive and it's 2nd and 15, certainly the Titans are thinking pass and McFadden takes the handoff and goes RG for 2 yds. Passing situation and Oakland tries to catch the Titans off guard but no dice.

2nd drive and it's 2nd and 17 on the TN 41, certainly the Titans are thinking pass and McFadden takes the handoff and runs Off Tackle for 1 yard. Same drive, 2nd and 4 and McFadden picks up 7 for a 1st down, one of his best runs of the half. Next play he takes it for -1, then on 2nd and 11 on the TN 20 yd line he bursts for a whopping 3 yds. I'm going to grant him some cushion for a soft OL and perhaps not having a lot of holes to run thru but even in passing situations he isn't finding positive yards and that is tough to swallow. Oak kicks a FG and take sa 3-0 lead.

3rd drive he does pick up a 1st down on 2 runs of 7 and 3 yds but Oakland turns it over, not his fault.

Let's go to the 2nd quarter 9:00 to go and the Titans are now up 10-3. McFadden gets 2 carries and each of them he nets 2 yds. 3 and out for the offense.

Next drive and under 4:00 to go in the 1st half, Oakland is now down 17-3. Another incomplete pass to McFadden. And on 3rd and 23 he manages to gain 13 yds but Tennessee could care less and they force Oakland to punt.

One more drive before the half is over, Tennessee in command up 24-3, under 2:00 and the Titans are trying to play some pass prevent defense and keep things in front of them. 1st and 10 on the Oakland 25 and McFadden hooks up with Campbell this time and gains 12 yds plus there is a nice horse collar flag called on TN, they are at midfield. Oakland tries to catch TN in a pass prevent defense which they do and McFadden gains 16 on the ground. Couple plays later, about :50 left in the half, 2-8 TN 30 yd line and McFadden runs it thru the right side A gap for 9 yds. But again this is what Tennessee wants. A couple penalties later the Raiders are backed up so it is now 1st and 25 on the TN 36 yd line and McFadden takes a handoff and manages to get 14 yards. Oakland ends up sttling for a FG and are down 24-6 at the half.

So when the game was really a game McFadden was pretty ineffective. Coaches are not dumb, well some are but still...do you think that Cable and crew are in Oakland as we speak talking about how they are going to get McFadden more touches, more involved in the offense? He was trying to push Bush into playing this week and McFadden racking up points like he did to me follows the sig you see below. Kenny Smith calls it a looter in a riot, in the football community we call it garbage time.

McFadden was held to 9 yards of offense in the 3rd quarter and then when the game was so far out of reach he did some damage late. Do yourself a favor and trade this guy immediately. Dyansty, redraft, whatever, but you are sure to fetch a lot more than he is truly worth this week.

Chime in if you saw things differently. All jokes aside, you cannot be serious if you see him being a top10 RB the rest of the way.

 

[Tau837]

you cannot be serious if you see him being a top10 RB the rest of the way.

Has anyone said he will be a top 10 RB the rest of the way? I agree he won't be, but what does that have to do with whether or not an owner should trade him away? I feel like I missed part of the conversation here. Also, don't you think the Raiders will have plenty of garbage time the rest of the season in which they are trailing big? If so, won't he stand to get plenty of garbage time yards in those games?Also, do you think one game is enough to pass judgment? Why does everyone in the Pool feel compelled to make definitive proclamations after one game?ETA: And if an owner rushes to trade him, what exactly do you think he will bring at this point? I'd expect pretty much everyone to feel the same about him today as they did last week.

 

[harryhood]

you cannot be serious if you see him being a top10 RB the rest of the way.

Has anyone said he will be a top 10 RB the rest of the way? I agree he won't be, but what does that have to do with whether or not an owner should trade him away? I feel like I missed part of the conversation here. Also, don't you think the Raiders will have plenty of garbage time the rest of the season in which they are trailing big? If so, won't he stand to get plenty of garbage time yards in those games?Also, do you think one game is enough to pass judgment? Why does everyone in the Pool feel compelled to make definitive proclamations after one game?

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[Unwrittenlaw]

I watched the game.

He is going to be absolutely money in PPR leagues. The offensive line is a wreck and when Campbell didn't have enough time to throw, it seemed like Mcfadden was his safety valve, not Z Miller. I don't even think Campbell even had enough time to look for Zach.

 

[Cassius]

Less is more.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

you cannot be serious if you see him being a top10 RB the rest of the way.

Has anyone said he will be a top 10 RB the rest of the way? I agree he won't be, but what does that have to do with whether or not an owner should trade him away? I feel like I missed part of the conversation here. Also, don't you think the Raiders will have plenty of garbage time the rest of the season in which they are trailing big? If so, won't he stand to get plenty of garbage time yards in those games?

Also, do you think one game is enough to pass judgment? Why does everyone in the Pool feel compelled to make definitive proclamations after one game?

ETA: And if an owner rushes to trade him, what exactly do you think he will bring at this point? I'd expect pretty much everyone to feel the same about him today as they did last week.

This is exactly why I wrote this. Folks are looking at a simple stat sheet and not taking into account the down, distance, and time of the game or half when these things occurred. I think you can get a huge advantage over folks by doing this, I hope you can see where I'm coming from. And the thread is not as serious as it might appear, I added in a few jokes to lighten it a bit. I just see it as a golden opp to trade this guy. Oakland has had garbage time for years and it hasn't produced great stats all the time, in fact the opposite is true IMO.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

No one in a dynasty league will give you a serious offer for McFadden anyways.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I watched the game.He is going to be absolutely money in PPR leagues. The offensive line is a wreck and when Campbell didn't have enough time to throw, it seemed like Mcfadden was his safety valve, not Z Miller. I don't even think Campbell even had enough time to look for Zach.

He caught 1 ball on 3 targets thru 3 quarters of play, 38-6 they were down going into the 4th quarter...seriously now

 

[switz]

Lot of people talking about Darren McFadden and what he did on Sunday. I understand most owners just look at the stats and could give two spits less about how the numbers came about. But sharks and hawks want to know what really happened, this is how you get the edge over other owners. I'll be very frank, if you own him sell him as fast as humanly possible. Dyansty owners, this is your chance to recoup some of that 1.01/1.02 investment you spent on one of the busts of the decade a couple years ago in the fantasy world.

And your thoughts on Best are??? Just wondering if they are the same....

 

[underdogger]

you cannot be serious if you see him being a top10 RB the rest of the way.

Has anyone said he will be a top 10 RB the rest of the way? I agree he won't be, but what does that have to do with whether or not an owner should trade him away? I feel like I missed part of the conversation here. Also, don't you think the Raiders will have plenty of garbage time the rest of the season in which they are trailing big? If so, won't he stand to get plenty of garbage time yards in those games?

Also, do you think one game is enough to pass judgment? Why does everyone in the Pool feel compelled to make definitive proclamations after one game?

ETA: And if an owner rushes to trade him, what exactly do you think he will bring at this point? I'd expect pretty much everyone to feel the same about him today as they did last week.

This is exactly why I wrote this. Folks are looking at a simple stat sheet and not taking into account the down, distance, and time of the game or half when these things occurred. I think you can get a huge advantage over folks by doing this, I hope you can see where I'm coming from. And the thread is not as serious as it might appear, I added in a few jokes to lighten it a bit. I just see it as a golden opp to trade this guy. [b]Oakland has had garbage time for years and it hasn't produced great stats all the time, in fact the opposite is true IMO.

What was the bolded matter about this season? Jamarcus is gone who was the biggest problem, so why are we comparing the teams from years before to this years? I dont get the point as this you are just construing your data here. Just to make yourself look like you have a valid point. In fact, your point is not valid and could not be further from the truth. Were you matched up against McFadd this week? Christ, take the rant to your local watering hole. McFadd is a nice low end RB 2 in PPR leagues the rest of the way. Next time, post me some valid evidence as to why McFadd is a bust

 

[Hoosier16]

This is a serious question and not meant to be sarcastic at all. Did you watch the game and take notes or did you just summarize the play by play stats?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

No one in a dynasty league will give you a serious offer for McFadden anyways.

In PPR you don't think you could find at least soemone that would trade you an every week starter at WR that was hard up for a RB prospect? Nothing topline but something to put in your line up. You feel he is more of a hold and see, a few more games and then you could get more for him or a real offer in your opinion?

 

[gary mexico]

No one in a dynasty league will give you a serious offer for McFadden anyways.

Correct. If you have him, you're stuck with him...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Lot of people talking about Darren McFadden and what he did on Sunday. I understand most owners just look at the stats and could give two spits less about how the numbers came about. But sharks and hawks want to know what really happened, this is how you get the edge over other owners. I'll be very frank, if you own him sell him as fast as humanly possible. Dyansty owners, this is your chance to recoup some of that 1.01/1.02 investment you spent on one of the busts of the decade a couple years ago in the fantasy world.

And your thoughts on Best are??? Just wondering if they are the same....

Best just got here, let's let him take off his coat 1st before we show him the door.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

I watched the game.He is going to be absolutely money in PPR leagues. The offensive line is a wreck and when Campbell didn't have enough time to throw, it seemed like Mcfadden was his safety valve, not Z Miller. I don't even think Campbell even had enough time to look for Zach.

He caught 1 ball on 3 targets thru 3 quarters of play, 38-6 they were down going into the 4th quarter...seriously now

Might want to double check those stats

 

[mdlane]

Watched the game. He was the best Raiders' offensive player on the field. I don't even think your recap is a damning one if you left it to the facts and removed all the references to your own personal speculation that the Titans' coaches wanted McFadden to bust some good gains. And I don't see how you could have watched the game without leaving a little impressed with his decisiveness and burst.

That said, if you can trade him for great value, do it now before he enters the "McFadden injury zone" (which for him thus far has been about 2-3 game of the season receiving starter's carries). Given how low his perceived value is, however, I don't think your chances are very good of finding a willing trading partner before week 4 of this kind of success.

Another (IMO better) redraft strategy if you can't get 1-4 round value for him is to ride him out and pray he doesn't get injured again. I think this is a situation similar to owning Lamont Jordan in the early weeks of 2007. Sadly, that early streak ended in (predictable?) injury. Put a harness on McFadden and pray this year is different. I think it's worth the risk if you can't get decent value for him. Would you rather trade McFadden for Donald Driver, or double down and see how long he can be a top 15 RB without getting injured again.

 

[shader]

Nice post. When it's 3rd and forever, and when you are losing big, defenses don't worry about the running back.

I still can't decide on Mcfadden. I was a huge fan of his in college, and he's one of those guys that I just KNEW would be a superstar. As such, I'm hesitant to write him off, especially when he just had a great game.

I'll have to give it some thought, but you may be right, this very well could be the "last chance" for Mcfadden owners to get solid value for him.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

What was the bolded matter about this season? Jamarcus is gone who was the biggest problem, so why are we comparing the teams from years before to this years? I dont get the point as this you are just construing your data here. Just to make yourself look like you have a valid point. In fact, your point is not valid and could not be further from the truth. Were you matched up against McFadd this week? Christ, take the rant to your local watering hole. McFadd is a nice low end RB 2 in PPR leagues the rest of the way. Next time, post me some valid evidence as to why McFadd is a bust

I'm sorry you got that from the OP. I went into the drives and went over his touches in detail accounting for down and distance, and also what the defenses might have been thinking. When a RB takes repeated carries on 1st down for 5-7 yds all the time and defenses know it's coming, you have to think those RBs are the goods. I just feel that McFadden, when you lift up the rug a little on his 150 total yards, 5 receptions and a TD performance you find something different. Anyone can pick on a guy that has 10 yds on 6 carries but let's analyze someone that ended up in the top5 or top10 this week.

 

[Sweet Love]

No one in a dynasty league will give you a serious offer for McFadden anyways.

And this is the crux of the conversation...how could anyone recoup anything from a 1.01 dynasty pick after one good game three years after the fact? It is just impossible. Maybe you could get something in return (Cotchery, Harrison, ??), but honestly, you KNOW one game does not define a thing. Sure, I had an offer in my keep 3 today for Andre Johnson...it was Best and Crabtree (a guy with 20 yards, albiet 2 TDs and one with 30 yards and nothing else). No one is giving away the farm after week 1 and no will until McFadden can cobble 3-4 nice efforts.

 

[burritobrother]

but you are sure to fetch a lot more than he is truly worth this week.

I agree that his week 1 production is likely to far outpace his end of year ppg, but I am not seeing an active market of owners to acquire him. People have formed their opinion of him by now; one decent week isn't likely to change their minds.He was drafted by most as a RB4; what do you think owners could spin him off into?

 

[switz]

Lot of people talking about Darren McFadden and what he did on Sunday. I understand most owners just look at the stats and could give two spits less about how the numbers came about. But sharks and hawks :( want to know what really happened, this is how you get the edge over other owners. I'll be very frank, if you own him sell him as fast as humanly possible. Dyansty owners, this is your chance to recoup some of that 1.01/1.02 investment you spent on one of the busts of the decade a couple years ago in the fantasy world.

And your thoughts on Best are??? Just wondering if they are the same....

Best just got here, let's let him take off his coat 1st before we show him the door.

And McFadden hasn't really had many opportunities due to injuries, etc. I wouldn't show him the door just yet either if you are going to apply the same principles equally across the board.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Look at these situation stats:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8781/s...4SpBsLjHx_.uLYF

In the first quarter, he rushed 7/32 yards. In the 2nd he rushed 4/26

In the first quarter, receptions 1/3 yards. In the 2nd receptions 3/42

On first downs, he was 9/47.

I agree with mdlane. The only thing that is going to keep him from being productive is injuries.

Nitpick all you want, but he was productive that game.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Watched the game. He was the best Raiders' offensive player on the field. I don't even think your recap is a damning one if you left it to the facts and removed all the references to your own personal speculation that the Titans' coaches wanted McFadden to bust some good gains. And I don't see how you could have watched the game without leaving a little impressed with his decisiveness and burst.

That said, if you can trade him for great value, do it now before he enters the "McFadden injury zone" (which for him thus far has been about 2-3 game of the season receiving starter's carries). Given how low his perceived value is, however, I don't think your chances are very good of finding a willing trading partner before week 4 of this kind of success.

Another (IMO better) redraft strategy if you can't get 1-4 round value for him is to ride him out and pray he doesn't get injured again. I think this is a situation similar to owning Lamont Jordan in the early weeks of 2007. Sadly, that early streak ended in (predictable?) injury. Put a harness on McFadden and pray this year is different. I think it's worth the risk if you can't get decent value for him. Would you rather trade McFadden for Donald Driver, or double down and see how long he can be a top 15 RB without getting injured again.

That's a good idea. Green Bay might have to throw more now with Grant out for awhile, Driver is a nice WR3 that can start on a lot of teams.McFadden was a 10th round pick for most of you, cash in is my opinion. He is going to share the load at least some with Bush maybe more than that, why would you not want to try and trade him on what could be one of his biggest weeks of the year?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

but you are sure to fetch a lot more than he is truly worth this week.

I agree that his week 1 production is likely to far outpace his end of year ppg, but I am not seeing an active market of owners to acquire him. People have formed their opinion of him by now; one decent week isn't likely to change their minds.He was drafted by most as a RB4; what do you think owners could spin him off into?

Good question...tkae McFadden and another so so WR and trade it up for a WR2 or WR3 with some upside. If McFadden is your RB4, but you have Ryan Grant at RB1, Beanie Wells at RB2, Jonathan Stewart at RB3, fine hold still and hope you can get some mileage out of him but if you have strong topline RBs in your 1st 2-3 slots, I would trade him and upgrade at another position. There are guys with Kolb/Stafford combos and if you have a guy like McFadden you can probably go out and get a QB2 off soemone's roster that you can start this week. Every team is different but I see McFadden as a sell now based on previous history.

 

[az_prof]

I watched the game (alas). And I have seen every other game McFadden has played in for the Raiders. MOP is right. This isn't based on "week 1" woes is me; his play yesterday is consistent with what he has shown in two previous years of work. Bush was hurt and Fargas gone so the end result statswise was better than normal, but if you expect him to hang onto starting job with performance like this I think you are very wrong.

Yes, there will be more garbage time but why keep him in there when Bush catches the ball better? If McFadden can't improve his catching then he is a real negative and he won't see time even in garbage time.

I do agree with MOP that some people who think like others in this thread will give you a WR3 with upside and you should take it.

 

[Clifford]

Lot of people talking about Darren McFadden and what he did on Sunday. I understand most owners just look at the stats and could give two spits less about how the numbers came about. But sharks and hawks want to know what really happened, this is how you get the edge over other owners. I'll be very frank, if you own him sell him as fast as humanly possible. Dyansty owners, this is your chance to recoup some of that 1.01/1.02 investment you spent on one of the busts of the decade a couple years ago in the fantasy world.

And your thoughts on Best are??? Just wondering if they are the same....

+ gore, turner, d-will, spiller, etclots of RBs had truly bad days, both in terms of real performance and statsI appreciate the effort but I don't think you're really being objective here. Also agree with most posters that he won't garner much in a trade, but it might be worth sending out some feelers. I'd offer him for Moreno in a second but I don't think that offer has a chance. Maybe if Charles has a really terrible game tonight.Do you think for instance you could get Best or Spiller for him?

 

[5Rings]

I watched the game.

He is going to be absolutely money in PPR leagues. The offensive line is a wreck and when Campbell didn't have enough time to throw, it seemed like Mcfadden was his safety valve, not Z Miller. I don't even think Campbell even had enough time to look for Zach.

He caught 1 ball on 3 targets thru 3 quarters of play, 38-6 they were down going into the 4th quarter...seriously now

Might want to double check those stats

expert mathematician I watched the game. DMC looked good...I think he has more "hold" value than trade value right now. I'd wait for him to pop a long one (that will get shown on ESPN over and over again) vs the Rams' this week then sell him.

 

[underdogger]

I watched the game (alas). And I have seen every other game McFadden has played in for the Raiders. MOP is right. This isn't based on "week 1" woes is me; his play yesterday is consistent with what he has shown in two previous years of work. Bush was hurt and Fargas gone so the end result statswise was better than normal, but if you expect him to hang onto starting job with performance like this I think you are very wrong. Yes, there will be more garbage time but why keep him in there when Bush catches the ball better? If McFadden can't improve his catching then he is a real negative and he won't see time even in garbage time.I do agree with MOP that some people who think like others in this thread will give you a WR3 with upside and you should take it.

Ha, Bush had 33 career receptions in college. McFadden had close to 50. How is McFadd a worse receiver out of the backfield compared to Bush again? Sweet geezus....

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Look at these situation stats:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8781/s...4SpBsLjHx_.uLYF

In the first quarter, he rushed 7/32 yards. In the 2nd he rushed 4/26

In the first quarter, receptions 1/3 yards. In the 2nd receptions 3/42

On first downs, he was 9/47.

I agree with mdlane. The only thing that is going to keep him from being productive is injuries.

Nitpick all you want, but he was productive that game.

His carries in the 1st half included handoffs on 2nd and 15, 2nd and 17, 2nd and 11, 3rd and 23, 1st and 25...those are passing situations. And on those downs he racked up an avg of 6 yds per carry when the team needed an avg of 18 yds for a 1st down. Sorry but I nitpick.

 

[Tau837]

No one in a dynasty league will give you a serious offer for McFadden anyways.

In PPR you don't think you could find at least soemone that would trade you an every week starter at WR that was hard up for a RB prospect? Nothing topline but something to put in your line up. You feel he is more of a hold and see, a few more games and then you could get more for him or a real offer in your opinion?

No, I don't think so. Unless maybe the owner happens to be a big Raider fan or McFadden fan. Or unless some owner is absolutely desperate at RB and absolutely loaded at other positions.

 

[TS Garp]

I think you're off-base on this one, MOP. As others have pointed out, your analysis has holes in it. McFadden was productive and he did it against a solid defense and without any passing game to take pressure off of him. I understand that a lot of owners feel burned by McFadden and want to see him fail, and that's fine, but remember that he's only just turned 23 years old. As a point of reference, he's younger than Ryan Mathews. It wouldn't be the first time that a hyped RB out of college has taken some time to come into his own (see Thomas Jones and others). Not saying he's going to set the world on fire, and I'm sure he'll have his ups and downs, but he could represent very nice value. Just kind of bizarre that he has a good game and you're diving in looking for ways to bash the guy.

 

[Clifford]

Look at these situation stats:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8781/s...4SpBsLjHx_.uLYF

In the first quarter, he rushed 7/32 (4.5 ypc) yards. In the 2nd he rushed 4/26 (6.5 ypc)

In the first quarter, receptions 1/3 yards (3 ypr). In the 2nd receptions 3/42 (14 ypc)

On first downs, he was 9/47.

I agree with mdlane. The only thing that is going to keep him from being productive is injuries.

Nitpick all you want, but he was productive that game.

MOP, these are good stats. What say you? The OP and this post paint two different pictures. No RB in the NFL is going to gain positive yardage on every carry. The good ones make it up in big chunks. Seems like McFadden did that a couple of times in the first half.Again, I appreciate the effort to share what you see with us.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

I think you're off-base on this one, MOP. As others have pointed out, your analysis has holes in it. McFadden was productive and he did it against a solid defense and without any passing game to take pressure off of him. I understand that a lot of owners feel burned by McFadden and want to see him fail, and that's fine, but remember that he's only just turned 23 years old. As a point of reference, he's younger than Ryan Mathews. It wouldn't be the first time that a hyped RB out of college has taken some time to come into his own (see Thomas Jones and others). Not saying he's going to set the world on fire, and I'm sure he'll have his ups and downs, but he could represent very nice value. Just kind of bizarre that he has a good game and you're diving in looking for ways to bash the guy.

Very until the last sentence. You have got to be critical when players suddenly have a strong game that have failed time and time again. The odds are that this is one of his biggest games all season. We could the same about Arian Foster except in his case he has done it even last season late in the year, has a ton of talent surrounding him, etc...if Oakland is in tight games do you think they give the ball to a healthy Bush on the ground or McFadden? Or both?I liked your post even though I disagree T S.

 

[Clifford]

Look at these situation stats:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8781/s...4SpBsLjHx_.uLYF

In the first quarter, he rushed 7/32 yards. In the 2nd he rushed 4/26

In the first quarter, receptions 1/3 yards. In the 2nd receptions 3/42

On first downs, he was 9/47.

I agree with mdlane. The only thing that is going to keep him from being productive is injuries.

Nitpick all you want, but he was productive that game.

His carries in the 1st half included handoffs on 2nd and 15, 2nd and 17, 2nd and 11, 3rd and 23, 1st and 25...those are passing situations. And on those downs he racked up an avg of 6 yds per carry when the team needed an avg of 18 yds for a 1st down. Sorry but I nitpick.

Did he convert any of them? Because those are really tough situations for a RB to convert, and there's not that much reason to think any 2nd down is a passing situation. I doubt the DC of Titans completely sold out for a pass in all those. In fact, when it's second and long, the most sensible play is a run, to try and get a manageable passing situation on third. Sounds to me like he did a pretty good job helping with that.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Look at these situation stats:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8781/s...4SpBsLjHx_.uLYF

In the first quarter, he rushed 7/32 (4.5 ypc) yards. In the 2nd he rushed 4/26 (6.5 ypc)

In the first quarter, receptions 1/3 yards (3 ypr). In the 2nd receptions 3/42 (14 ypc)

On first downs, he was 9/47.

I agree with mdlane. The only thing that is going to keep him from being productive is injuries.

Nitpick all you want, but he was productive that game.

MOP, these are good stats. What say you? The OP and this post paint two different pictures. No RB in the NFL is going to gain positive yardage on every carry. The good ones make it up in big chunks. Seems like McFadden did that a couple of times in the first half.Again, I appreciate the effort to share what you see with us.

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[Unwrittenlaw]

Btw, Zach Miller received his stats in garbage time.

discuss

 

[Tau837]

Watched the game. He was the best Raiders' offensive player on the field. I don't even think your recap is a damning one if you left it to the facts and removed all the references to your own personal speculation that the Titans' coaches wanted McFadden to bust some good gains. And I don't see how you could have watched the game without leaving a little impressed with his decisiveness and burst.

That said, if you can trade him for great value, do it now before he enters the "McFadden injury zone" (which for him thus far has been about 2-3 game of the season receiving starter's carries). Given how low his perceived value is, however, I don't think your chances are very good of finding a willing trading partner before week 4 of this kind of success.

Another (IMO better) redraft strategy if you can't get 1-4 round value for him is to ride him out and pray he doesn't get injured again. I think this is a situation similar to owning Lamont Jordan in the early weeks of 2007. Sadly, that early streak ended in (predictable?) injury. Put a harness on McFadden and pray this year is different. I think it's worth the risk if you can't get decent value for him. Would you rather trade McFadden for Donald Driver, or double down and see how long he can be a top 15 RB without getting injured again.

That's a good idea. Green Bay might have to throw more now with Grant out for awhile, Driver is a nice WR3 that can start on a lot of teams.McFadden was a 10th round pick for most of you, cash in is my opinion. He is going to share the load at least some with Bush maybe more than that, why would you not want to try and trade him on what could be one of his biggest weeks of the year?

I can't tell if you are talking dynasty or redraft or both or going back and forth in your posts. I suppose this one must be about redraft.Obviously, this kind of question will be team dependent, but that's the point. Perhaps you have teams structured such that you are strong enough at RB that McFadden cannot contribute for you even if he continues to play well and weak enough at WR that you would actually start Driver. But many of us aren't in that situation.

 

[pantherclub]

Nobody is going to trade you anything of value for DMC. Your Driver for Dmac is comical at best. If you drafted him, you did so for a purpose and after the first game he has given you hope that he may produce. I plan on starting him next week just for the hell of it.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Look at these situation stats:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8781/s...4SpBsLjHx_.uLYF

In the first quarter, he rushed 7/32 yards. In the 2nd he rushed 4/26

In the first quarter, receptions 1/3 yards. In the 2nd receptions 3/42

On first downs, he was 9/47.

I agree with mdlane. The only thing that is going to keep him from being productive is injuries.

Nitpick all you want, but he was productive that game.

His carries in the 1st half included handoffs on 2nd and 15, 2nd and 17, 2nd and 11, 3rd and 23, 1st and 25...those are passing situations. And on those downs he racked up an avg of 6 yds per carry when the team needed an avg of 18 yds for a 1st down. Sorry but I nitpick.

Did he convert any of them? Because those are really tough situations for a RB to convert, and there's not that much reason to think any 2nd down is a passing situation. I doubt the DC of Titans completely sold out for a pass in all those. In fact, when it's second and long, the most sensible play is a run, to try and get a manageable passing situation on third. Sounds to me like he did a pretty good job helping with that.

2nd and 15...2yds2nd and 17...1 yd

2nd and 11...3 yds

3rd and 23...13 yds

He wasn't setting them up with easy pass situations.

I understand some folks feel I am really nitpicking, that's fine but some have also posted that they see things similar. We are all allowed to have our opinions. I was going to compress and stick this into the weekly RB thread but I wanted to get feedback form everyone before I start writing up the Oakland weekly, I can seee there is a wide range of opinions which is good.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

I think McFadden is a definite hold, not a sell. You won't get anything of value if you trade him anyways. His value increases when Bush finally returns and Mcfadden outproduces Bush by quite a bit.

 

[identikit]

Btw, Zach Miller received his stats in garbage time.discuss

When did garbage time start?Mid-1st quarter?

 

[whodeywhodey]

I think McFadden is a definite hold, not a sell. You won't get anything of value if you trade him anyways. His value increases when Bush finally returns and Mcfadden outproduces Bush by quite a bit.

I just moved TO+McFadden for Marshall+MWilliams(SEA).The other owner was desperate at RB having basically only ADP.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Btw, Zach Miller received his stats in garbage time.discuss

When did garbage time start?Mid-1st quarter?

Zach Miller didn't have a reception until the 3rd

 

[GroveDiesel]

Look at these situation stats:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8781/s...4SpBsLjHx_.uLYF

In the first quarter, he rushed 7/32 yards. In the 2nd he rushed 4/26

In the first quarter, receptions 1/3 yards. In the 2nd receptions 3/42

On first downs, he was 9/47.

I agree with mdlane. The only thing that is going to keep him from being productive is injuries.

Nitpick all you want, but he was productive that game.

His carries in the 1st half included handoffs on 2nd and 15, 2nd and 17, 2nd and 11, 3rd and 23, 1st and 25...those are passing situations. And on those downs he racked up an avg of 6 yds per carry when the team needed an avg of 18 yds for a 1st down. Sorry but I nitpick.

How does that compare to other RBs in that down and distance?ETA: I don't have a FBG subscription this year, but I would think that you could easily use the Data Dominator to get this type of info.

 

[az_prof]

I think McFadden is a definite hold, not a sell. You won't get anything of value if you trade him anyways. His value increases when Bush finally returns and Mcfadden outproduces Bush by quite a bit.

I just moved TO+McFadden for Marshall+MWilliams(SEA).The other owner was desperate at RB having basically only ADP.

You are a great horse trader!

 

[tommyGunZ]

I agree with MOP in the sense that McFadden's value today is greater than it was at this time last week. That doesn't mean that you can deal him for Hakeem Nicks or Reggie Wayne, but it's not accurate to suggest that his value hasn't changed. I think it's a worthwhile discussion.

I'm a McFadden owner in a ppr league, and I'm not selling. Very easy schedule for the Raiders this year, and Campbell is a huge upgrade once he gets comfortable. Sometimes it takes guys a couple years to get it, and if McFadden really is getting it, he's a perfect post-hype flyer who turns into the RB2 that helps carry you to a league title, assuming you spent early picks at WR, QB, and TE.

 

[pantherclub]

I agree with MOP in the sense that McFadden's value today is greater than it was at this time last week. That doesn't mean that you can deal him for Hakeem Nicks or Reggie Wayne, but it's not accurate to suggest that his value hasn't changed. I think it's a worthwhile discussion.I'm a McFadden owner in a ppr league, and I'm not selling. Very easy schedule for the Raiders this year, and Campbell is a huge upgrade once he gets comfortable. Sometimes it takes guys a couple years to get it, and if McFadden really is getting it, he's a perfect post-hype flyer who turns into the RB2 that helps carry you to a league title, assuming you spent early picks at WR, QB, and TE.

Okay so what is the best case scenario that you think you could get for DMC? It aint Driver so who is it? Maybe someone like Mario Manningham or Massaqui (sp) maybe? I would think it would be in your best interest to hold onto DMC over trading for low 3rd tier guys like that.

 

[switz]

remember that he's only just turned 23 years old. As a point of reference, he's younger than Ryan Mathews.

There are only 15 players in the history of the NFL who entered the league under the age of 23 and had >= 1200 YFS and 10+ rush TDs their rookie season.

Gale Sayers,

Karim Abdul-Jabbar,

Joe Cribbs,

Marshall Faulk,

Franco Harris,

Edgerrin James,

Maurice Jones-Drew,

Curtis Martin,

Adrian Peterson,

Clinton Portis,

Barry Sanders,

Fred Taylor,

LaDainian Tomlinson,

Curt Warner,

Ickey Woods

Only 5 were 21 years old, and that list is a veritable who's who of NFL RBs (Marshall Faulk, Edgerrin James, Maurice Jones-Drew, Clinton Portis, Barry Sanders)

Here are a list of RBs that were drafted and played their rookie season at 21 years of age within the past decade:

Chris Wells

LeSean McCoy

Jonathan Stewart

Ray Rice

Rashard Mendenhall

Darren McFadden

Felix Jones

Ahmad Bradshaw

Marshawn Lynch

Laurence Maroney

Maurice Jones-Drew

Reggie Bush

Steven Jackson

Musa Smith

Clinton Portis

T.J. Duckett

Pretty good company to be in... I'd be hard pressed to say a young player not putting up huge numbers the first two seasons is a clear indicator that they won't be any good. On that list only Duckett and Musa Smith really were busts.

There is also a good list going back of players drafted at 21, that didn't have success until a few years into their career

 

[cobalt_27]

I know his stat line was more favorable than most of what he's done in the past.

But, I don't see his trade value getting much of a bump here. Folks are appropriately cautious with him and won't give up much to ride the bandwagon.

At this point, hold. His value won't decrease much, and he has lots of room to elevate in stock (not that he will, but you won't get much for him now, so why bother?).

 

[tommyGunZ]

I agree with MOP in the sense that McFadden's value today is greater than it was at this time last week. That doesn't mean that you can deal him for Hakeem Nicks or Reggie Wayne, but it's not accurate to suggest that his value hasn't changed. I think it's a worthwhile discussion.I'm a McFadden owner in a ppr league, and I'm not selling. Very easy schedule for the Raiders this year, and Campbell is a huge upgrade once he gets comfortable. Sometimes it takes guys a couple years to get it, and if McFadden really is getting it, he's a perfect post-hype flyer who turns into the RB2 that helps carry you to a league title, assuming you spent early picks at WR, QB, and TE.

Okay so what is the best case scenario that you think you could get for DMC? It aint Driver so who is it? Maybe someone like Mario Manningham or Massaqui (sp) maybe? I would think it would be in your best interest to hold onto DMC over trading for low 3rd tier guys like that.

I agree with you. I disagree with MOP's call that McFadden is a sell, but I don't agree with those bashing MOP for bringing up the discussion.