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Published: Wednesday, Aug. 25, 2010 - 12:00 am | Page 3C

Oakland's McFadden returns to practice

Raiders running back Darren McFadden practiced for the first time in more than two weeks Tuesday and expects to make his exhibition-season debut this weekend against the 49ers.

McFadden ran with the Raiders' first-team offense, breaking off two long runs during a team scrimmage then later hauling in a deep pass from quarterback Jason Campbell in a 7-on-7 drill.

That was encouraging for Oakland, which lost Chaz Schilens indefinitely after the third-year wide receiver had arthroscopic surgery on his left knee. No timetable has been set for his return.

McFadden is projected to be the Raiders' No. 1 running back this year but had not practiced since Aug. 7 when he pulled up with a sore hamstring during the team's morning practice.

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Its interesting that the players that aren't playing in preseason can be had for a relative bargain compared to if they were actually playing (McFadden. Crabtree. Daniels. etc.)Any way that McFadden actually starts over Bush?

 
ive been drafting this guy every single year and plan on doing it again

i also plan on regretting it again but im too deep to stop now

 
This is good news for me! I found myself actually considering drafting a Raider (Bush) lately.

Back to my senses now though...

P.S. (Miller is still a good late rounder)

 
With the time he has missed, he needs some time with the ones. He'll get his touches, until he gets dented again. I figure on a 50-50 split until he gets hurt.

 
I think most people who looked at this without bias have thought it was going to be a rbbc. The technical starter makes little difference.

If one guy falters/gets hurt then the other player could have some very good value. Aside from that it's going to vary from game to game.

 
CaptainHook said:
ive been drafting this guy every single year and plan on doing it againi also plan on regretting it again but im too deep to stop now
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I'm in the same boat. Been drafting him since he was a rookie. I fear that if I don't draft him, it will be the year he finally puts it together. The good news is that he'll come at a much cheaper price this year than last year.
 
I assume they are trying to get him caught up. I've seen enough of McFadden to really like what he can bring to the table but he's not a bulk share of the carries back.

 
i still think bush is the guy to have. not a uber stud, but he has showed some explosiveness and can be the between-tackles (and GL) runner. everyone's been comparing mcfadden to reggie bush (i.e. that he will be used in that role, NOT that he is the same talent) where i see michael bush more like the pierre thomas--just a better chance for more touches given mcfadden's injury history.

 
I agree, I think Bush remains the guy to go get. I have seen them both as starting RB's and only one of them is ever worth a start on a fantasy team, and that guy is Bush. I wouldn't reach for either player, but if Bush is sitting there in the 11th round, and I still need a RB, he would be the guy I choose.

 
Just curious why every seems Bush is the one to have.

In my opinion no one knows. Not even the Raiders.

While we have seen Bush run with the ones we haven't seen McFadden. And since this is a better offense immediately with the subtraction of Jamarcus I will hold judgment and give McFadden a chance. This isn't last year.

Something to monitor closely though.

 
The two can play very complementary roles if Bush is used and the primary and DMC the COP. We'll see if they actually get used that way or if the Raiders can fix the problems they're having right now at C and RG.

If either guy were to go down and the other were to get a bulk of the carries OR if the Raiders really step forward as an OL and offense, these guys have value. If both of these things happen you're looking at a top ten RB PPG. If neither happens, you're looking at a wasted roster spot.

 
I asked this question in another thread a while back but didn't get a response. I suppose I'll try again in here. Does anyone know if Oak is still lining McFadden up wide or motioning him wide with Bush in at RB this year? Is Oak going to try and get both these guys on the field at the same time?

 
jurb26 said:
I asked this question in another thread a while back but didn't get a response. I suppose I'll try again in here. Does anyone know if Oak is still lining McFadden up wide or motioning him wide with Bush in at RB this year? Is Oak going to try and get both these guys on the field at the same time?
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Haven't heard anymore talk of doing this year than last or the year before. Each year they've talked about getting him the ball "in space." Problem was either Jamarcus couldn't do it or DMC would be to dinged to take advantage consistently. I have no doubt they will try again this year, especially with former Ravens QB coach Hugh Jackson as the new OC. Not sure how often we'll see DMC and Bush together, but I agree that we should. I don't know why coaches seem resistant to that kind of stuff in this new RBBC world. Where's DMC's wildcat stuff??? If Ronnie and Ricky can do it, so can DMC and MBush.
 
LawFitz said:
jurb26 said:
I asked this question in another thread a while back but didn't get a response. I suppose I'll try again in here. Does anyone know if Oak is still lining McFadden up wide or motioning him wide with Bush in at RB this year? Is Oak going to try and get both these guys on the field at the same time?
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Haven't heard anymore talk of doing this year than last or the year before. Each year they've talked about getting him the ball "in space." Problem was either Jamarcus couldn't do it or DMC would be to dinged to take advantage consistently. I have no doubt they will try again this year, especially with former Ravens QB coach Hugh Jackson as the new OC. Not sure how often we'll see DMC and Bush together, but I agree that we should. I don't know why coaches seem resistant to that kind of stuff in this new RBBC world. Where's DMC's wildcat stuff??? If Ronnie and Ricky can do it, so can DMC and MBush.
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I agree, Oak is about as well situated as any team in the NFL to run the Wild Cat. I'd love to see it. It was pretty remarkable how fluent McFadden looked running legit patterns out wide IMO. Seeing that he had no experience doing it before anyway. I'd have to imagine Oak would keep this package available but how much they use it is really the important thing. A 50/50 split can garner far more points for each guy if this type of thing transpires.
 
Rovers said:
With the time he has missed, he needs some time with the ones. He'll get his touches, until he gets dented again. I figure on a 50-50 split until he gets hurt.
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;) He can't stay healthy. I've been watching him since high school and never even thought about drafting him because I thought he would be a fantasy tease. I really want him to do well, so hopefully he will. The price is right on the guy though so the risk is pretty much worth it.
 
Papa Georgio said:
Rovers said:
With the time he has missed, he needs some time with the ones. He'll get his touches, until he gets dented again. I figure on a 50-50 split until he gets hurt.
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;) He can't stay healthy. I've been watching him since high school and never even thought about drafting him because I thought he would be a fantasy tease. I really want him to do well, so hopefully he will. The price is right on the guy though so the risk is pretty much worth it.
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Agree here. He's a great RB4 or RB5. Wouldn't want him any higher though.
 
Nothing at all to see here. McFadden hasn't been active in the preseason. If he starts against the Niners in preseason week #3, take it with a grain of salt. The Raiders are not going to reveal any hole cards. The Raiders will play the Niners later this regular season so it wont be played like a typical week 3 game. Raiders just want to get McFadden some reps he really needs. Bush will be alright and I still see him as the week 1 starter. It's just trying to get the cobwebs out for DMC. The pecking order hasn't changed and you should still target Bush ahead of DMAC by a couple of rounds at least. Both are still very cheap compared to the crappy RB's going around them.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Nothing at all to see here. McFadden hasn't been active in the preseason. If he starts against the Niners in preseason week #3, take it with a grain of salt. The Raiders are not going to reveal any hole cards. The Raiders will play the Niners later this regular season so it wont be played like a typical week 3 game. Raiders just want to get McFadden some reps he really needs. Bush will be alright and I still see him as the week 1 starter. It's just trying to get the cobwebs out for DMC. The pecking order hasn't changed and you should still target Bush ahead of DMAC by a couple of rounds at least. Both are still very cheap compared to the crappy RB's going around them.
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I like this. This keeps McFadden at a bargain.I will tell all my league mates that you heard this from the coaches themselves.Otherwise its just an opinion. Right?
 
whodeywhodey said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Nothing at all to see here. McFadden hasn't been active in the preseason. If he starts against the Niners in preseason week #3, take it with a grain of salt. The Raiders are not going to reveal any hole cards. The Raiders will play the Niners later this regular season so it wont be played like a typical week 3 game. Raiders just want to get McFadden some reps he really needs. Bush will be alright and I still see him as the week 1 starter. It's just trying to get the cobwebs out for DMC. The pecking order hasn't changed and you should still target Bush ahead of DMAC by a couple of rounds at least. Both are still very cheap compared to the crappy RB's going around them.
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I like this. This keeps McFadden at a bargain.I will tell all my league mates that you heard this from the coaches themselves.Otherwise its just an opinion. Right?
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Yeah just an opinon. From someone that lives Raiders 24/7. Good luck with DMAC. I truly hope I am wrong about him. I care a helluva lot more about the Raiders RB getting 2k+ yards combined than I do about my FF rep. :lmao:
 
Raiderfan32904 said:
whodeywhodey said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
Nothing at all to see here. McFadden hasn't been active in the preseason. If he starts against the Niners in preseason week #3, take it with a grain of salt. The Raiders are not going to reveal any hole cards. The Raiders will play the Niners later this regular season so it wont be played like a typical week 3 game. Raiders just want to get McFadden some reps he really needs. Bush will be alright and I still see him as the week 1 starter. It's just trying to get the cobwebs out for DMC. The pecking order hasn't changed and you should still target Bush ahead of DMAC by a couple of rounds at least. Both are still very cheap compared to the crappy RB's going around them.
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I like this. This keeps McFadden at a bargain.I will tell all my league mates that you heard this from the coaches themselves.Otherwise its just an opinion. Right?
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Yeah just an opinon. From someone that lives Raiders 24/7. Good luck with DMAC. I truly hope I am wrong about him. I care a helluva lot more about the Raiders RB getting 2k+ yards combined than I do about my FF rep. :lmao:
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I respect that. I think its just as likely that the Raiders want to see him in a real game with this "new offense" (Campbell) and are waiting to see who will start between he and Bush.Then again I am not a Raiders fan.
 
Despite his return to practice Tuesday, Darren McFadden (hamstring) may not be cleared for Saturday's preseason game against the 49ers.

McFadden's return to practice was a step forward after over two weeks of missed practices, but he needs to impress the coaching staff in live action if he's to have any chance of unseating Michael Bush.

Darren McFadden, RB, Oakland Raiders Wednesday 8/25, 8:14 PM CT

Darren McFadden (hamstring) could miss Saturday's preseason game, according to Jerry McDonald of the Contra Costa Times.

Our View: McFadden returned to practice Tuesday, but that's no guarantee that he'll be active this weekend. He's missed over two weeks with the tweaked hammy, and it may just not be worth playing him. He's gone a long road ahead if he wants to unseat Michael Bush and become more than a third-down back.

 
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Ive drafted Mcfadden every year.Love the guy but Honeslty he just plain suxxx. All Bush has done is produce and look like a NFL RB. But Al Davis will give McFadden every chance to earn his millions. As long as Al Davis owns the team McFadden will get his chances time after time at the expense of Bush who is a superior RB.

 
whodeywhodey said:
Raider Nation said:
Y'all go right ahead and draft McFadden. More Bush for me! :lmao:
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I will. A full 3-4 rounds later.At a 50/50 split, at worst, I like it.
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You can have him a full 9 rounds later if you'd like. McFadden is garbage. He made his name running out of a gimmick offense in college but when it came time to actually lining up in conventional NFL sets with, you know, a quarterback taking the snaps from center.....he has looked below average.This won't be a 50-50 split. Go ahead and tell yourself that if you'd like but I'd be shocked if it turned out that way. Now could I see McFadden playing on 3rd downs and getting the majority of the receptions? Yeah sure...but it won't be enough to make him fantasy worthy.Michael Bush will present a very nice return on your investment if you can get him in the 6-8th of a 12 man league....he's in store for a VERY good year .
 
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From how things went the end of last year and from what I read today they will line Bush up at WR alot with BUSH as the Starting tailback. In a PPR league Mcfadden will have RB3 value but in a standard league hes worthless. But again He will still get a chance as long as Al Davis is there. he spent a 4th round pick and alot of millions on McFadden. McFadden will get his opportunities but again at the expense of the far better BUSH. The Giants are relaizing that Jacobs isnt the answer and Bradshaw is getting his opportunities. Finally last year the Chiefs gave Charles a shot to be the man and he did it. I feel sorry for Bush and guys like Jerome Harrison who produce but cant get a break. Raiders and Browns have the answer in Harrison and Bush. just cant see it.

 
Maybe this is why the Raiders are going to give McFadden a shot.

Bush's preseason numbers:

15 carries, 57 yards, 3.8 ypc, 0 TDs

 
Pure speculation by everyone .

Neither back flourished with Jamassive Rubbish as the QB the last couple of years. It's not like Bush was overly spectacular relative to McFadden.

This is truly one of the wait and see what happens things.

And yes, it makes perfect sense that DMAC absolutely sucks as a running back in the NFL after having such a prolific college career as a running back.

 
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damageinc said:
From how things went the end of last year and from what I read today they will line Bush up at WR alot with BUSH as the Starting tailback. In a PPR league Mcfadden will have RB3 value but in a standard league hes worthless. But again He will still get a chance as long as Al Davis is there. he spent a 4th round pick and alot of millions on McFadden. McFadden will get his opportunities but again at the expense of the far better BUSH. The Giants are relaizing that Jacobs isnt the answer and Bradshaw is getting his opportunities. Finally last year the Chiefs gave Charles a shot to be the man and he did it. I feel sorry for Bush and guys like Jerome Harrison who produce but cant get a break. Raiders and Browns have the answer in Harrison and Bush. just cant see it.
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I've watched a lot of Raider games, and my feeling is that Bush is the better fantasy bet only because McFadden seems to suffer injury after injury. We have no idea what McFadden is capable of because he's never been fully healthy. It's completely within the realm of possibility that McFadden enters the season in the best shape of his 3 year career and blows up.Performance-wise, Bush really hasn't separated himself from McFadden the way Bradshaw has separated himself from Jacobs. I don't see how you can call Bush "far better."
 
mdlane said:
damageinc said:
From how things went the end of last year and from what I read today they will line Bush up at WR alot with BUSH as the Starting tailback. In a PPR league Mcfadden will have RB3 value but in a standard league hes worthless. But again He will still get a chance as long as Al Davis is there. he spent a 4th round pick and alot of millions on McFadden. McFadden will get his opportunities but again at the expense of the far better BUSH. The Giants are relaizing that Jacobs isnt the answer and Bradshaw is getting his opportunities. Finally last year the Chiefs gave Charles a shot to be the man and he did it. I feel sorry for Bush and guys like Jerome Harrison who produce but cant get a break. Raiders and Browns have the answer in Harrison and Bush. just cant see it.
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I've watched a lot of Raider games, and my feeling is that Bush is the better fantasy bet only because McFadden seems to suffer injury after injury. We have no idea what McFadden is capable of because he's never been fully healthy. It's completely within the realm of possibility that McFadden enters the season in the best shape of his 3 year career and blows up.Performance-wise, Bush really hasn't separated himself from McFadden the way Bradshaw has separated himself from Jacobs. I don't see how you can call Bush "far better."
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can'r help the club in the tub....
 
fantasizing said:
Pure speculation by everyone . Neither back flourished with Jamassive Rubbish as the QB the last couple of years. This is truly one of the wait and see what happens things. And yes, it makes perfect sense that DMAC absolutely sucks as a running back in the NFL after having such a prolific college career as a running back.
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This I will agree with. when the QB is as crappy as Russell was, the teams would stack the box to stop the run game and basically dare Russell to beat them. When he proved he could not do that, it just caused more teams to do the same thing on defense.based on that logic, if there was a season for McFadden to break out, this is it. If he doesnt cut it this year, I would recommend you Oakland homies cut bait on him.
 
Bush has a 4.7 YPC so far in his 4 years and was 4.8 YPC last year. He has a couple of 100 yard games. Mcfadden ypc so far is 3.8 and he has no 100 yard games and no runs over 50 yards. Bush has runs the last 2 years so 67 and 60 yards . and He has a couple of 100 yard games. They both had to deal with the same offesive system and Bush has pretty darn good numbers. Thast how I say Bush is worlds better as a RB in the NFL. And I am talking RB. McFadden is a superior athelte and faster. but that means little. There are alot of Fast guys who cant succed at running back. You will find few RB's as fast as Micheal bennet and he seems to float team to team becasue hes just not NFL RB Material. There is a reason the Raiders put McFadden on the block earlier this year and a reason why there were no takers. A great athlete and college running back. Thats it so far. But again Davis will make sure Mcfadden gets his shot. I would stay away from both pretty much fantasy wise.

 
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The objective data we have is there nfl history which makes Bush look like starting running back and mcfadden not.

You realize thats McFaddens YPC for his entire NFL time. so if your saying thats horrible then what does that mean of McFaddens carrer numbers.

whodeywhodey said:
Maybe this is why the Raiders are going to give McFadden a shot.

Bush's preseason numbers:

15 carries, 57 yards, 3.8 ypc, 0 TDs
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damageinc said:
The objective data we have is there nfl history which makes Bush look like starting running back and mcfadden not.

You realize thats McFaddens YPC for his entire NFL time. so if your saying thats horrible then what does that mean of McFaddens carrer numbers.

whodeywhodey said:
Maybe this is why the Raiders are going to give McFadden a shot.

Bush's preseason numbers:

15 carries, 57 yards, 3.8 ypc, 0 TDs
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Apples and Oranges.I want to compare each in this new offense - not previous numbers.

Until then I am withholding judgment either way.

So let's wait and see. But to anoint one and write off the other at this point is a little premature.

 
I see the Raiders making McFadden a Reggie Bush clone with a few more carries. Bush will be the Pierre Thomas guy with goal line carries. There will be no third back.

 
Choke said:
Butt hey both had the same line and same QBs. So that is very poignant and objective data. It should not be thrown out, it should be considered.
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So you would think with an improved QB and passing game Bush should have been able to take advantage. Yet he has not.I know that the sample size is small but like I said --- its all we have at this point.
 
Thats true . At the end of the year Mcfadden can be a top 25 running back in the NF ya never knowL. But I think we can all agree this is probally his last chance if Al Davis has any sense of reality.

 
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Thats true . At the end of the year Mcfadden can be a top 25 running back in the NF ya never knowL. But I think we can all agree this is probally his last chance if Al Davis has any sense of reality.
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Not disagreeing at all there. It could be that ala Randy Moss the Raiders have just been that bad.
 
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Choke said:
whodeywhodey said:
Choke said:
Butt hey both had the same line and same QBs. So that is very poignant and objective data. It should not be thrown out, it should be considered.
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So you would think with an improved QB and passing game Bush should have been able to take advantage. Yet he has not.I know that the sample size is small but like I said --- its all we have at this point.
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Y/N: Do you understand the dynamic of preseason difference between the offense and defense readiness that is standard in the NFL?
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Of course.I have 2 questions for you...1. What other RB in the 9th round are you going to draft that has McFadden's upside as a RB4 or RB5?2. If Bush is far and away the better player why is his ADP in the 6th round and not inside the top 4 rounds?
 
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