This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
JJ is one of the smartest owners in the NFL, outside of the Galloway trade there's nothing to suggest he's a stupid idividual. How is it possible to call a "Self-made" millionaire "stupid"? He's by far one of the best in the NFL, he's made the NFL and other owner better and richer.I think J. Jones might be just stupid enough to make that trade.
Lets not get carried away now. I believe there is no floor to his ineptitude.
I agree with most of what you wrote except the Galloway trade. If you think about it.......................it was a bad trade. I thought it then and I still believe it now. It didn't work the way they thought, therefore it was bad. They thought they would get another Superbowl but they didn't. Now, it was a great idea in theory but bad trade. I thought the writing was on the wall and it was time to rebuild but Jerry AND Troy thought they had one more chance.
"Smart" and "football smart" are different things.His desire to win is great but I think that it is the fact that Jerry Jones was so successful in his business ventures that leads to problems for him with his team as he feels he can succeed and is better at just about anything than just about anybody.The most successful owners in football, in terms of on the field success, hire good football people to run the franchise and then step back. Jerry seems to like to have a say in all levels of the team. His prerogative for sure but it doesn't seem like its the best thing for the team.When is the last time you saw Dan Rooney walking the sideline during a game?JJ is one of the smartest owners in the NFL, outside of the Galloway trade there's nothing to suggest he's a stupid idividual. How is it possible to call a "Self-made" millionaire "stupid"? He's by far one of the best in the NFL, he's made the NFL and other owner better and richer.I think J. Jones might be just stupid enough to make that trade.
Fixed.
LOL!"Smart" and "football smart" are different things.His desire to win is great but I think that it is the fact that Jerry Jones was so successful in his business ventures that leads to problems for him with his team as he feels he can succeed and is better at just about anything than just about anybody.The most successful owners in football, in terms of on the field success, hire good football people to run the franchise and then step back. Jerry seems to like to have a say in all levels of the team. His prerogative for sure but it doesn't seem like its the best thing for the team.When is the last time you saw Dan Rooney walking the sideline during a game?JJ is one of the smartest owners in the NFL, outside of the Galloway trade there's nothing to suggest he's a stupid idividual. How is it possible to call a "Self-made" millionaire "stupid"? He's by far one of the best in the NFL, he's made the NFL and other owner better and richer.I think J. Jones might be just stupid enough to make that trade.
BTW, I just searched "Jerry Jones" and "meddling" on google and got 118,000 hits.LOL!"Smart" and "football smart" are different things.His desire to win is great but I think that it is the fact that Jerry Jones was so successful in his business ventures that leads to problems for him with his team as he feels he can succeed and is better at just about anything than just about anybody.The most successful owners in football, in terms of on the field success, hire good football people to run the franchise and then step back. Jerry seems to like to have a say in all levels of the team. His prerogative for sure but it doesn't seem like its the best thing for the team.When is the last time you saw Dan Rooney walking the sideline during a game?JJ is one of the smartest owners in the NFL, outside of the Galloway trade there's nothing to suggest he's a stupid idividual. How is it possible to call a "Self-made" millionaire "stupid"? He's by far one of the best in the NFL, he's made the NFL and other owner better and richer.I think J. Jones might be just stupid enough to make that trade.
I wont argue that but he was trying to give it one more try. The only bad decisions Jerry has made are coaching decisions in my opinion, he should have gone with a tougher coach before Parcells instead of the puppets he hired that wouldn't stand up to him. From what I remember reading, Campo had little to no say in the drafts. I think Jerry Jones has learned from his mistakes. And for whoever said "When was the last time you saw Rooney on the sidelines?" That is one owner out of MANY that are on the sidelines near the end of games. I believe Robert Kraft does the same thing. I have seen several owners do this. Lets not forget that Jerry isnt just the owner, he is the general manager.
Quincy CarterJJ is one of the smartest owners in the NFL, outside of the Galloway trade there's nothing to suggest he's a stupid idividual. How is it possible to call a "Self-made" millionaire "stupid"?I think J. Jones might be just stupid enough to make that trade.
He's by far one of the best in the NFL, he's made the NFL and other owner better and richer.
Tony Romo in his recent contract got something in the neighborhood of 20 million gauranteed Jamarcus Russell on the other hand got 30 million gauranteed you really think the Cowboys are going to trade away multiple first round picks and a pro bowl running back to get DMac and then turn around and give him 30 million gauranteed? If you believe this then I would ask that you undergo a mental evaluation.
Which is evidence of his poor decision making in the NFL.
Jerry Jones has never drafted a former Razorback.
Yeah, the Cowboys are a terrible team marked by poor decision after poor decision on his part.
So it was a bad trade because Jones couldn't see into the future to see that Galloway would get hurt in the first game of the season and that Aikman would get another cuncussion that would lead to the end of his career in the same season?
Jerry should have known better.
No, I just thought it was doomed from the begining. Troy, Emmitt, no Michael, I just thought it was time to start rebuilding, therefore I thought it was a bad deal. Even when they traded for Joey I thought he was more hype then anything else and not worth what we gave up for him.So it was a bad trade because Jones couldn't see into the future to see that Galloway would get hurt in the first game of the season and that Aikman would get another cuncussion that would lead to the end of his career in the same season?
The apologists crack me up. Take a look at the drafts between Jimmy's departure and Bill's arrival (1994-2002) and you tell me how his football decision-making is. This is the team that had Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick starting together on offense, in case you've forgotten, and that was at the end of three consecutive 5-11 seasons!
Uh....correct me if I am wrong but I believe Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick went 10-6 and went to the playoffs. Quincy Carter was showing signs of being a decent QB until he snorted his way out of town. Hambrick was averaging over 5 yards per carry when he was given the starting RB job. He ate his way out of town. What team is prepared to lose their believed franchise QB in training camp?The apologists crack me up. Take a look at the drafts between Jimmy's departure and Bill's arrival (1994-2002) and you tell me how his football decision-making is. This is the team that had Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick starting together on offense, in case you've forgotten, and that was at the end of three consecutive 5-11 seasons!Yeah, the Cowboys are a terrible team marked by poor decision after poor decision on his part.
The Galloway trade was an abortion. It was made out of desperation to make another run at a Super Bowl with "the triplets" - the core that Jimmy had built - because Jones knew he had no good way to rebuild. I told my good friend, an avid Cowboys fan, back in 1998 that I thought that the Cowboys should trade Emmitt, Irvin and Aikman then while they still had trade value to get additional picks to use to rebuild.
Maybe he's learned something from watching a guy like Parcells who knows how to use the draft to build a team, but I have my doubts about that especially because that requires a certain degree of humility and I don't see a lot of that in Jones' character.
Uh....correct me if I am wrong but I believe Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick went 10-6 and went to the playoffs. Quincy Carter was showing signs of being a decent QB until he snorted his way out of town. Hambrick was averaging over 5 yards per carry when he was given the starting RB job. He ate his way out of town. What team is prepared to lose their believed franchise QB in training camp?The apologists crack me up. Take a look at the drafts between Jimmy's departure and Bill's arrival (1994-2002) and you tell me how his football decision-making is. This is the team that had Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick starting together on offense, in case you've forgotten, and that was at the end of three consecutive 5-11 seasons!Yeah, the Cowboys are a terrible team marked by poor decision after poor decision on his part.
The Galloway trade was an abortion. It was made out of desperation to make another run at a Super Bowl with "the triplets" - the core that Jimmy had built - because Jones knew he had no good way to rebuild. I told my good friend, an avid Cowboys fan, back in 1998 that I thought that the Cowboys should trade Emmitt, Irvin and Aikman then while they still had trade value to get additional picks to use to rebuild.
Maybe he's learned something from watching a guy like Parcells who knows how to use the draft to build a team, but I have my doubts about that especially because that requires a certain degree of humility and I don't see a lot of that in Jones' character.
Like I said, apologists crack me up. You can thank Parcells, with assists to Steve Spurrier, and Jim Fassell for the playoff appearance in 2003 BTW.
And like I have said, the dooshbags like you who want to nit pick everything the Cowboys have done crack me up. Whatever, you can pretend to know what ever you think you know. I didnt say Quincy Carter was the next Joe Montana but he was showing promise, he was a young quarterback and he just learned a new system and managed to get a 5-11 team into the playoffs. He certainly wasnt the best QB in the NFL but until he started snorting coke, he was a promising prospect. Like I said, people like you are always going to find a way to dig your stupid comments in. Whatever helps you sleep at night.redman said:Texasmouth said:Uh....correct me if I am wrong but I believe Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick went 10-6 and went to the playoffs. Quincy Carter was showing signs of being a decent QB until he snorted his way out of town. Hambrick was averaging over 5 yards per carry when he was given the starting RB job. He ate his way out of town. What team is prepared to lose their believed franchise QB in training camp?redman said:The apologists crack me up. Take a look at the drafts between Jimmy's departure and Bill's arrival (1994-2002) and you tell me how his football decision-making is. This is the team that had Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick starting together on offense, in case you've forgotten, and that was at the end of three consecutive 5-11 seasons!Somebody said:Avery said:
The Galloway trade was an abortion. It was made out of desperation to make another run at a Super Bowl with "the triplets" - the core that Jimmy had built - because Jones knew he had no good way to rebuild. I told my good friend, an avid Cowboys fan, back in 1998 that I thought that the Cowboys should trade Emmitt, Irvin and Aikman then while they still had trade value to get additional picks to use to rebuild.
Maybe he's learned something from watching a guy like Parcells who knows how to use the draft to build a team, but I have my doubts about that especially because that requires a certain degree of humility and I don't see a lot of that in Jones' character.
JJ is not a stupid man - far from it in the business world.He does however have a large ego. With Ireland gone maybe he thinks he now has the knowledge to be a football GM.JJ is one of the smartest owners in the NFL, outside of the Galloway trade there's nothing to suggest he's a stupid idividual. How is it possible to call a "Self-made" millionaire "stupid"? He's by far one of the best in the NFL, he's made the NFL and other owner better and richer.I think J. Jones might be just stupid enough to make that trade.
A (soon to be) millionaire athlete getting hit with a paternity suit? Say it's not so.McFadden is Travis Henry part deux.
http://www.gbnreport.com/
However, while there is no doubting McFadden’s physical skills the red flags about his off-field travails also continue to grow. Indeed, in addition to the fact that McFadden has been involved in a couple of bar fights, he is now also battling a paternity suit and told at least team during an interview over the weekend that he actually has two children on the way.
He's 1/5 the way to Henry status already.
Get him if you want him but he won't last long in the NFL.
McFadden may well have character issues but a paternity suit puts him in the company of character lacking players like Marvin Harrison, Jerry Rice and Larry Fitzgerald.
I'm pretty confident that none of the guys you listed had 2 women impregnated at the same time before they were even drafted.A (soon to be) millionaire athlete getting hit with a paternity suit? Say it's not so.McFadden is Travis Henry part deux.
http://www.gbnreport.com/
However, while there is no doubting McFadden’s physical skills the red flags about his off-field travails also continue to grow. Indeed, in addition to the fact that McFadden has been involved in a couple of bar fights, he is now also battling a paternity suit and told at least team during an interview over the weekend that he actually has two children on the way.
He's 1/5 the way to Henry status already.
Get him if you want him but he won't last long in the NFL.
BTW, I believe the first suit has already been dismissed.
I agree, when you think of Dallas, I don't think you are thinking of a team who needs a starting RB. I personally think having a star RB is overreated. All you need is a solid RB, someone you can count on and knows your system inside and out. Barber is one of those guys, there's no reason to get rid of him for some rookie. They do need to add somebody, but not to start....more of a breather, 3rd down guy. You could get this player in the draft or you could get a veteran player. There's about 10 Rb's worth taking a shot at, and have a reasonble chance at being solid NFL players in this year's draft. There's no reason to trade Barber AND two No.1 picks for a guy who's not proven. I don't like it even though talking about getting the No. 1 overall pick is always enticing.Dallas needs to turn away from the temptation and focus on the things that will win them a championship. Improve their secondary, build up the offensive line, find a Wr 2.FocusBrutis said:
Last post on this for I'm not going to be the champion of guys knocking up multiple woman as a good character trait. Sadly, in this day and age it's neither unusual or a sign of NFL failure.A quick google search and here are four guys of many:I'm pretty confident that none of the guys you listed had 2 women impregnated at the same time before they were even drafted.A (soon to be) millionaire athlete getting hit with a paternity suit? Say it's not so.McFadden is Travis Henry part deux.
http://www.gbnreport.com/
However, while there is no doubting McFadden’s physical skills the red flags about his off-field travails also continue to grow. Indeed, in addition to the fact that McFadden has been involved in a couple of bar fights, he is now also battling a paternity suit and told at least team during an interview over the weekend that he actually has two children on the way.
He's 1/5 the way to Henry status already.
Get him if you want him but he won't last long in the NFL.
BTW, I believe the first suit has already been dismissed.
Great advice.
This is a key. Jimmy leaves and they win one more title with his team. Since then how many playoff wins do they have? Anyone who thinks those SB wins in the late 80's and early 90's are because of Jerry is delusional. They won DESPITE Jerry not because of him....redman said:The apologists crack me up. Take a look at the drafts between Jimmy's departure and Bill's arrival (1994-2002) and you tell me how his football decision-making is. This is the team that had Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick starting together on offense, in case you've forgotten, and that was at the end of three consecutive 5-11 seasons!Somebody said:Avery said:
The Galloway trade was an abortion. It was made out of desperation to make another run at a Super Bowl with "the triplets" - the core that Jimmy had built - because Jones knew he had no good way to rebuild. I told my good friend, an avid Cowboys fan, back in 1998 that I thought that the Cowboys should trade Emmitt, Irvin and Aikman then while they still had trade value to get additional picks to use to rebuild.
Maybe he's learned something from watching a guy like Parcells who knows how to use the draft to build a team, but I have my doubts about that especially because that requires a certain degree of humility and I don't see a lot of that in Jones' character.
This is a key. Jimmy leaves and they win one more title with his team. Since then how many playoff wins do they have? Anyone who thinks those SB wins in the late 80's and early 90's are because of Jerry is delusional. They won DESPITE Jerry not because of him....redman said:The apologists crack me up. Take a look at the drafts between Jimmy's departure and Bill's arrival (1994-2002) and you tell me how his football decision-making is. This is the team that had Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick starting together on offense, in case you've forgotten, and that was at the end of three consecutive 5-11 seasons!Somebody said:Avery said:Yeah, the Cowboys are a terrible team marked by poor decision after poor decision on his part.
The Galloway trade was an abortion. It was made out of desperation to make another run at a Super Bowl with "the triplets" - the core that Jimmy had built - because Jones knew he had no good way to rebuild. I told my good friend, an avid Cowboys fan, back in 1998 that I thought that the Cowboys should trade Emmitt, Irvin and Aikman then while they still had trade value to get additional picks to use to rebuild.
Maybe he's learned something from watching a guy like Parcells who knows how to use the draft to build a team, but I have my doubts about that especially because that requires a certain degree of humility and I don't see a lot of that in Jones' character.
Aw, that's too easy just to label me a Cowboy hater - that way you don't actually have to discuss the facts! I'm certainly a 'Skins fan but I actually take some pride on this board on being objective as to my team's division rivals, and I even pay the Cowboys some compliments from time to time. I certainly am on record on this board as not liking my team's owner meddling in personnel matters other than to close deals . . . of course, he doesn't march around on the sideline and call himself the "general manager" like some owners do.And like I have said, the dooshbags like you who want to nit pick everything the Cowboys have done crack me up. Whatever, you can pretend to know what ever you think you know. I didnt say Quincy Carter was the next Joe Montana but he was showing promise, he was a young quarterback and he just learned a new system and managed to get a 5-11 team into the playoffs. He certainly wasnt the best QB in the NFL but until he started snorting coke, he was a promising prospect. Like I said, people like you are always going to find a way to dig your stupid comments in. Whatever helps you sleep at night.redman said:Texasmouth said:
I am happy you feel good about JJ being in charge in Dallas again. I am sure the rest of the NFC East feels the same way.And like I have said, the dooshbags like you who want to nit pick everything the Cowboys have done crack me up. Whatever, you can pretend to know what ever you think you know. I didnt say Quincy Carter was the next Joe Montana but he was showing promise, he was a young quarterback and he just learned a new system and managed to get a 5-11 team into the playoffs. He certainly wasnt the best QB in the NFL but until he started snorting coke, he was a promising prospect. Like I said, people like you are always going to find a way to dig your stupid comments in. Whatever helps you sleep at night.redman said:Texasmouth said:Uh....correct me if I am wrong but I believe Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick went 10-6 and went to the playoffs. Quincy Carter was showing signs of being a decent QB until he snorted his way out of town. Hambrick was averaging over 5 yards per carry when he was given the starting RB job. He ate his way out of town. What team is prepared to lose their believed franchise QB in training camp?redman said:The apologists crack me up. Take a look at the drafts between Jimmy's departure and Bill's arrival (1994-2002) and you tell me how his football decision-making is. This is the team that had Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick starting together on offense, in case you've forgotten, and that was at the end of three consecutive 5-11 seasons!Somebody said:Avery said:Yeah, the Cowboys are a terrible team marked by poor decision after poor decision on his part.
The Galloway trade was an abortion. It was made out of desperation to make another run at a Super Bowl with "the triplets" - the core that Jimmy had built - because Jones knew he had no good way to rebuild. I told my good friend, an avid Cowboys fan, back in 1998 that I thought that the Cowboys should trade Emmitt, Irvin and Aikman then while they still had trade value to get additional picks to use to rebuild.
Maybe he's learned something from watching a guy like Parcells who knows how to use the draft to build a team, but I have my doubts about that especially because that requires a certain degree of humility and I don't see a lot of that in Jones' character.
Since Jerry Jones took over the Cowboys:Cowboys 3 superbowlsGiants 1 SuperbowlEagles 0 Superbowls since the beginning of the superbowlRedskins 0 superbowlsI guess if it was that easy there would be more superbowl victories in the NFC East. Getting there means nothing.
He always has been in charge, he's the owner. If he chose to lead more behind the scenes recently, that was again his choice. He owns the team, nobody hired anybody without his blessing or told him this is what the Cowboys were going to do. You act like someone gave him back the keys to the team....he's always had them, nothing has changed.I am happy you feel good about JJ being in charge in Dallas again. I am sure the rest of the NFC East feels the same way.And like I have said, the dooshbags like you who want to nit pick everything the Cowboys have done crack me up. Whatever, you can pretend to know what ever you think you know. I didnt say Quincy Carter was the next Joe Montana but he was showing promise, he was a young quarterback and he just learned a new system and managed to get a 5-11 team into the playoffs. He certainly wasnt the best QB in the NFL but until he started snorting coke, he was a promising prospect. Like I said, people like you are always going to find a way to dig your stupid comments in. Whatever helps you sleep at night.redman said:Texasmouth said:Uh....correct me if I am wrong but I believe Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick went 10-6 and went to the playoffs. Quincy Carter was showing signs of being a decent QB until he snorted his way out of town. Hambrick was averaging over 5 yards per carry when he was given the starting RB job. He ate his way out of town. What team is prepared to lose their believed franchise QB in training camp?redman said:The apologists crack me up. Take a look at the drafts between Jimmy's departure and Bill's arrival (1994-2002) and you tell me how his football decision-making is. This is the team that had Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick starting together on offense, in case you've forgotten, and that was at the end of three consecutive 5-11 seasons!Somebody said:Avery said:
The Galloway trade was an abortion. It was made out of desperation to make another run at a Super Bowl with "the triplets" - the core that Jimmy had built - because Jones knew he had no good way to rebuild. I told my good friend, an avid Cowboys fan, back in 1998 that I thought that the Cowboys should trade Emmitt, Irvin and Aikman then while they still had trade value to get additional picks to use to rebuild.
Maybe he's learned something from watching a guy like Parcells who knows how to use the draft to build a team, but I have my doubts about that especially because that requires a certain degree of humility and I don't see a lot of that in Jones' character.
Whatever helps you to sleep at night. To those of us who'd like a little more of a nuanced understanding as to what's made the Cowboys tick (or not) over the last two decades, we can't help but notice that they've done best when they've had input on personnel matters from bona fide football men like Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells with strong enough personalities to make "the boss" defer to them, and they've done worst when they've not had those personalities involved. You're right - there's been one constant throughout that time, and that constant has been Jerry Jones. That's precisely the point. And before you go and tout last year's 13-3 record, I'd ask you who you think will end up as having been the Cowboys head coach longer, Wade Phillips or Barry Switzer?
First off, I think when a bad decision is made, it is Jerry Jones fault. When a good decision is made he has nothing to do with it. I wont argue that Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells were huge in the building and rebuilding of the post Landry era Cowboys. No one would argue that point but Jerry Jones had a lot do with it as well. Second, Wade Phillips and the rest of the world knew Jason Garrett was brought to Dallas to be the head coach when they enter their new stadium so to compare him to Barry Switzer is just stupid.
Drew Henson?
Woulndt NFC East division champs be more accurate?
