McFadden (1 Viewer)

[poo flingin monkey]

Would like to take the flyer, but a bust will kill your team. Anybody going to gamble?

 

[TheWick]

thats a little early for me...end of the 4th round I'll take him...maybe

 

[golfguy]

if he lasts until the end of the 4th, you must be drafting with some boneheads. or a 6 team league

 

[poo flingin monkey]

He wont last past the 3rd rd in most leagues - simply bc of AP.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

He wont last past the 3rd rd in most leagues - simply bc of AP.

Agree. He'll be gone by mid-3rd in a lot of leagues.

 

[Raider Nation]

If someone takes him in the 2nd, they want him more than I do.

The simple fact is that 10 RBs went north of 100 yards rushing against us last year, and I don't see how the run defense has improved all that much, if at all. Bottom line is that with a poor run defense, that limits the chances the offense will have to control the ball.

 

[poo flingin monkey]

If someone takes him in the 2nd, they want him more than I do.The simple fact is that 10 RBs went north of 100 yards rushing against us last year, and I don't see how the run defense has improved all that much, if at all. Bottom line is that with a poor run defense, that limits the chances the offense will have to control the ball.

Raiders were 5th in the league in rushing last year and 4th in Attempts?????

 

[Englishteacher]

If someone takes him in the 2nd, they want him more than I do.The simple fact is that 10 RBs went north of 100 yards rushing against us last year, and I don't see how the run defense has improved all that much, if at all. Bottom line is that with a poor run defense, that limits the chances the offense will have to control the ball.

Still, I thought the Raiders were one of the top running teams in the league last year. Kiffin seems pretty committed to the run and I like that the team is moving from career journeyman (Jordan, Rhodes, Fargas) to a RB with top billing.

 

[Englishteacher]

If someone takes him in the 2nd, they want him more than I do.The simple fact is that 10 RBs went north of 100 yards rushing against us last year, and I don't see how the run defense has improved all that much, if at all. Bottom line is that with a poor run defense, that limits the chances the offense will have to control the ball.

Raiders were 5th in the league in rushing last year and 4th in Attempts?????

beat me to the punch...although in all fairness, who wouldn't have tried to run, run, run with that abysmal passing attack?

 

[Raider Nation]

If someone takes him in the 2nd, they want him more than I do.The simple fact is that 10 RBs went north of 100 yards rushing against us last year, and I don't see how the run defense has improved all that much, if at all. Bottom line is that with a poor run defense, that limits the chances the offense will have to control the ball.

Raiders were 5th in the league in rushing last year and 4th in Attempts?????

Yes, and the chap who had 1,009 of those yards is still there.Why is it written in stone that McF is the '08 version of ADP? What if he's closer to being Reggie Bush, and he's the same kind of fantasy disappointment? What if he's the "gadget guy" who is used mainly on swing passes, lining up in the slot, etc. instead of being the bell cow? Not to mention Michael Bush, who very well could be the Tommy Vardell in this offense at the stripe.I'm just saying. Things to think about when considering him with a high pick like that.

 

[poo flingin monkey]

If someone takes him in the 2nd, they want him more than I do.The simple fact is that 10 RBs went north of 100 yards rushing against us last year, and I don't see how the run defense has improved all that much, if at all. Bottom line is that with a poor run defense, that limits the chances the offense will have to control the ball.

Raiders were 5th in the league in rushing last year and 4th in Attempts?????

Yes, and the chap who had 1,009 of those yards is still there.Why is it written in stone that McF is the '08 version of ADP? What if he's closer to being Reggie Bush, and he's the same kind of fantasy disappointment? What if he's the "gadget guy" who is used mainly on swing passes, lining up in the slot, etc. instead of being the bell cow? Not to mention Michael Bush, who very well could be the Tommy Vardell in this offense at the stripe.I'm just saying. Things to think about when considering him with a high pick like that.

I could not agree more. Just wondering if anyone is willingly to take him that early. I think there will be pressure to play McFadden and if giving the opportunity can he preform and hold up? I will probably let someone else take the risk...but it is very tempting.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

McFadden, early second rd pick

In a 16 team league, maybe.

 

[puckalicious]

He wont last past the 3rd rd in most leagues - simply bc of AP.

Agree. He'll be gone by mid-3rd in a lot of leagues.

Would you take him before FWP or Edge? Standard scoring, no PPR.I've been running some DD mocks with the 9 spot that show I might get Moss & Romo 1st/2nd, then follow up 3rd/4th round with 2 RB's. Which means I might get a Maroney/Turner/Jacobs in the 3rd, and then possibly FWP/Edge/DMC in the 4th. Sorry for the mild hijack.

 

[TheWick]

if he lasts until the end of the 4th, you must be drafting with some boneheads. or a 6 team league

His ADP is 4.07 in a 12 team format...am I missing something?He just went at 5.03 in what I would consider a FBG heavy Phenoms league...of course these are PPR flex leagues so that may make a difference.RaiderNation took him at 4.10 in another similar league

 

[Raider Nation]

if he lasts until the end of the 4th, you must be drafting with some boneheads. or a 6 team league

His ADP is 4.07 in a 12 team format...am I missing something?He just went at 5.03 in what I would consider a FBG heavy Phenoms league...of course these are PPR flex leagues so that may make a difference.

RaiderNation took him at 4.10 in another similar league

If you are referring to me, link please?I took him at 6.07 in one of the FBG Survivor leagues, and I own him in no other league.

 

[JGalligan]

Had Justin Fargas not burst upon the scene and been signed to a multi-year contract, I'd probably consider snagging McFadden a tad early in order to get him. I'd definitely take him higher in a keeper/dynasty league though, especially if you subscribe to the belief that JaMarcus Russell will be a quality QB once he learns the ropes. Those two could be a very potent duo down the line.

 

[TheWick]

if he lasts until the end of the 4th, you must be drafting with some boneheads. or a 6 team league

His ADP is 4.07 in a 12 team format...am I missing something?He just went at 5.03 in what I would consider a FBG heavy Phenoms league...of course these are PPR flex leagues so that may make a difference.

RaiderNation took him at 4.10 in another similar league

If you are referring to me, link please?I took him at 6.07 in one of the FBG Survivor leagues, and I own him in no other league.

Perhaps I assumed too much..must be some other guyhttp://football4.myfantasyleague.com/2008/...=68435&O=17

 

[MCguidance]

if he lasts until the end of the 4th, you must be drafting with some boneheads. or a 6 team league

His ADP is 4.07 in a 12 team format...am I missing something?He just went at 5.03 in what I would consider a FBG heavy Phenoms league...of course these are PPR flex leagues so that may make a difference.

RaiderNation took him at 4.10 in another similar league

If you are referring to me, link please?I took him at 6.07 in one of the FBG Survivor leagues, and I own him in no other league.

I took him mid third in a FBG mock, but I think that was pretty early. Seems like that might be the norm when it's all said and done though.http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=404019

 

[Raider Nation]

if he lasts until the end of the 4th, you must be drafting with some boneheads. or a 6 team league

His ADP is 4.07 in a 12 team format...am I missing something?He just went at 5.03 in what I would consider a FBG heavy Phenoms league...of course these are PPR flex leagues so that may make a difference.

RaiderNation took him at 4.10 in another similar league

If you are referring to me, link please?I took him at 6.07 in one of the FBG Survivor leagues, and I own him in no other league.

Perhaps I assumed too much..must be some other guyhttp://football4.myfantasyleague.com/2008/...=68435&O=17

Yep, not me.I am, however, the original RN!

 

[cjack]

I suspect the later you draft this summer, the earlier you'll need to take him. A couple of decent pre-season showings and you'll need to take him early if you want him.

I took ADP in the second round last year (2.08) and some people were shocked. But, I was pretty sure I could get the other guy I wanted at that spot in early round three (Owens at 3.05), which I did, and I knew there was no way ADP would make it back to me in round 4. I'm not quite as optimistic on McFadden because he doesn't have the Minnesota O-line, but he also doesn't have Chester Taylor taking his carries, he has Fargas, Bush, etc. I'll have to see what draft spot I end up with and determine where I would need to take him if I want him, but I'd consider 2nd or 3rd round depending on how the preseason plays out and depending on where I end up picking. We don't draft until the end of the month and unless he flops in the preseason, he's not going to be available in round 4.

 

[ImTheScientist]

A reach is a reach. You are losing value because the BEST possibility is that he performs like a first rounder.....the more likely possibility is he performs like a RB 20-40 and you passed up on some serious WR/QB talent to reach.

 

[Chaos Commish]

if he lasts until the end of the 4th, you must be drafting with some boneheads. or a 6 team league

His ADP is 4.07 in a 12 team format...am I missing something?He just went at 5.03 in what I would consider a FBG heavy Phenoms league...of course these are PPR flex leagues so that may make a difference.RaiderNation took him at 4.10 in another similar league

This isn't much different than where Peterson was going a year ago this time. We started a draft on August 2nd and his ADP was late 3rd early 4th. I took him in the late second believing he wouldn't come back to me. Some thought that was a reach. I think McFadden will travel a similar graph and be mid 2nd to early 3rd rounder in a few short weeks. I draft 11th in a 12 teamer. I've seen 3.11 not be early enough in several recent drafts. That 4.07 you see is not reflective of what I am seeing. I wish it was.eta: I'd take him at 3.11 without a second thought. I'm sure most leagues of 12 will have someone who feels the same or stronger as we get closer to the opener.

 

[Carr 2 Smith]

In a 12 man league I wouldn't consider him until late 2nd, early 3rd.

 

[TheWick]

if he lasts until the end of the 4th, you must be drafting with some boneheads. or a 6 team league

His ADP is 4.07 in a 12 team format...am I missing something?He just went at 5.03 in what I would consider a FBG heavy Phenoms league...of course these are PPR flex leagues so that may make a difference.

RaiderNation took him at 4.10 in another similar league

If you are referring to me, link please?I took him at 6.07 in one of the FBG Survivor leagues, and I own him in no other league.

Perhaps I assumed too much..must be some other guyhttp://football4.myfantasyleague.com/2008/...=68435&O=17

Yep, not me.I am, however, the original RN!

So all your threads I read through trying to figure out who you were going to take was for nothing?

 

[ImTheScientist]

In a 12 man league I wouldn't consider him until late 2nd, early 3rd.

I wouldn't consider him til the early 4th.

 

[SigEp316]

I'm thinking of grabbing him at 1.06 in a 2 man keeper league...this will probably be the last year I keep T.O and am looking for a replacement.

That being said, I'd probably be taking in front of players like Steve Smith, Braylon Edwards....I don't know

 

[Buckeyedawgs]

He just went 2.1 in my new dynasty just started. 2.12 in my expert redraft last week. Too early for me in both cases but in the Dynasty just started I did consider him @ 1.4 and definatly was hopeing he would make it back to me in second. Not even close! I would love to own him one league sooner or later I will gobble him up at least one of these drafts comeing up just in case he is indeed the next AP.

 

[massraider]

if he lasts until the end of the 4th, you must be drafting with some boneheads. or a 6 team league

His ADP is 4.07 in a 12 team format...am I missing something?He just went at 5.03 in what I would consider a FBG heavy Phenoms league...of course these are PPR flex leagues so that may make a difference.RaiderNation took him at 4.10 in another similar league

This isn't much different than where Peterson was going a year ago this time. We started a draft on August 2nd and his ADP was late 3rd early 4th. I took him in the late second believing he wouldn't come back to me. Some thought that was a reach. I think McFadden will travel a similar graph and be mid 2nd to early 3rd rounder in a few short weeks. I draft 11th in a 12 teamer. I've seen 3.11 not be early enough in several recent drafts. That 4.07 you see is not reflective of what I am seeing. I wish it was.eta: I'd take him at 3.11 without a second thought. I'm sure most leagues of 12 will have someone who feels the same or stronger as we get closer to the opener.

If he breaks a big run in any of these preseason games, it'll skyrocket. Call it the ADP bump. I am a big believer that preseason games really affect some owners, and not in a good way.

 

[massraider]

In a 12 man league I wouldn't consider him until late 2nd, early 3rd.

I wouldn't consider him til the early 4th.

This is the sweet spot, IMO. If I am stuck with the 12th pick, he is definitely a target at the 2nd turn.

 

[jurb26]

In a 16 team league I just got McFadden at 3.07 in a PPR league. Pretty excited about it. I was thinking about trading up to 3.02 to grab him, but decided to hold off and press my luck.

I agree with the others that say to wait until the 3rd round at least for McFadden. I'm about as big a supporter of his as you'll find, but he is still a rookie and up through most of the 3rd round there is solid value to be had that isn't as much of a gamble as a rookie IMO.

 

[One]

Per John Clayton - ESPN

Darren McFadden was widely regarded as the best athlete in the 2008 draft.

After watching him dart around the Raiders' practice field in Napa, Calif., Tuesday, I have no doubt the scouting report is true. McFadden is the real deal. He catches the ball on screens and passes in the flat better than anticipated. His ability to make inside zone runs is electrifying. On a Raiders team that has some pretty good athletes, McFadden is clearly the star.

At minicamp, Raiders coaches said they had modest expectations for McFadden as a rookie. They planned to make Justin Fargas the workhorse back. Things have changed. Fargas is still the starter, but McFadden is too talented to bring along slowly. He's a treasure.

Link

 

[Doug B]

A lot of times in deals like this, talent ends up winning out.

This reminds me a lot of when Fred Taylor was a rookie in Jacksonville. A lot of people were tempering expectations for Taylor because the effective James Stewart was still there. And yes, James Stewart was a decent NFL running back and a nice goal-line runner who had produced the previous season.

But he wasn't Fred Taylor.

If Darren McFadden's got it all over Fargas and M. Bush (remains to be seen), McFadden will be the bell cow. 2007 won't matter.

 

[Ron_Mexico]

If someone takes him in the 2nd, they want him more than I do.The simple fact is that 10 RBs went north of 100 yards rushing against us last year, and I don't see how the run defense has improved all that much, if at all. Bottom line is that with a poor run defense, that limits the chances the offense will have to control the ball.

Raiders were 5th in the league in rushing last year and 4th in Attempts?????

Yes, and the chap who had 1,009 of those yards is still there.Why is it written in stone that McF is the '08 version of ADP? What if he's closer to being Reggie Bush, and he's the same kind of fantasy disappointment? What if he's the "gadget guy" who is used mainly on swing passes, lining up in the slot, etc. instead of being the bell cow? Not to mention Michael Bush, who very well could be the Tommy Vardell in this offense at the stripe.I'm just saying. Things to think about when considering him with a high pick like that.