piston pete griffin
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McNabb hasn't tossed more than 1 TD pass in a game in over a month and didn't do squat last time he played the Skin's but he's ranked above such qb's as Romo and Plamer? 
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McNAbb at #6 QB on the cheat sheet? (1 Viewer)
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maxwell1295
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
If you have him on your team and you are not happy..don`t play him, if you don`t have him on your team who gives a rats ### where he is ranked!!I have Drew Brees, I have played him all year..if he is ranked #1 I played him, when he was ranked #16 I played him. I could care less where he is ranked on a given week.McNabb hasn't tossed more than 1 TD pass in a game in over a month and didn't do squat last time he played the Skin's but he's ranked above such qb's as Romo and Plamer?
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Das Boot
Footballguy
Concept of rankings down?If you have him on your team and you are not happy..don`t play him, if you don`t have him on your team who gives a rats ### where he is ranked!!I have Drew Brees, I have played him all year..if he is ranked #1 I played him, when he was ranked #16 I played him. I could care less where he is ranked on a given week.McNabb hasn't tossed more than 1 TD pass in a game in over a month and didn't do squat last time he played the Skin's but he's ranked above such qb's as Romo and Plamer?:IBTL:
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
If you have someone to play better than McNabb..then do it.If I had Romo and McNabb..I would play Romo even if he was ranked #32, same with Palmer.Concept of rankings down?If you have him on your team and you are not happy..don`t play him, if you don`t have him on your team who gives a rats ### where he is ranked!!I have Drew Brees, I have played him all year..if he is ranked #1 I played him, when he was ranked #16 I played him. I could care less where he is ranked on a given week.McNabb hasn't tossed more than 1 TD pass in a game in over a month and didn't do squat last time he played the Skin's but he's ranked above such qb's as Romo and Plamer?
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Yeah I don't get that. And he's still the # 9 QB going forward (down from 6 last week). Never mind that he looks awful, he's not going to get any more help out of his receivers, the Eagles have a tough schedule and you can already hear the cries for Kolb. I dont get it at all.
You would have laughed at Losman at #12 the way he played earlier this year, and yet thats where he finished last week vs... Cincinnati.
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Maybe he paid for a subscription and expects something more for his money??If you have him on your team and you are not happy..don`t play him, if you don`t have him on your team who gives a rats ### where he is ranked!!McNabb hasn't tossed more than 1 TD pass in a game in over a month and didn't do squat last time he played the Skin's but he's ranked above such qb's as Romo and Plamer?
Boulder Toads
Footballguy
I was actually thinking of picking him up from the WW and playing him this week ...
Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
This is not unique to FBG. I get a weekly email from KFFL, I think, and they have McNabb at 7 vs the Skins. I don't see it, either, frankly. The Skins have a nice pass D and are playing at home.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
I AM playing him this week in my 2 QB league. He better dink and dunk them to death! He actually did throw for over 300 yards against another weak pass D in Cleveland. McNair looked horrid on MNF, but he was playing at the best pass D in the NFL in the wind and rain. I think he's bad, but theres no way he'll be as bad on Sunday as he was this past Monday.I was actually thinking of picking him up from the WW and playing him this week ...
Calvitron Johnson
Footballguy
McNubb at 6 and McNair at 11? Why would you even look at someone's rankings if they are this clueless?
maxwell1295
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Then he is getting an educated opinion for his money, he just does not like what he is reading.Maybe he paid for a subscription and expects something more for his money??If you have him on your team and you are not happy..don`t play him, if you don`t have him on your team who gives a rats ### where he is ranked!!McNabb hasn't tossed more than 1 TD pass in a game in over a month and didn't do squat last time he played the Skin's but he's ranked above such qb's as Romo and Plamer?
xenith
Footballguy
Danger!! I did this week 1, when they played Cincy. Hated my backup QB pick in the draft, so I dumped Pennington to get McNair, played him over Kitna.McNair = 0I was actually thinking of picking him up from the WW and playing him this week ...
Kitna = 26
I lost by 20 points, now sit at 7-1 in 2nd place. The leader? They guy that beat me week1, he's also 7-1.
I only offer this story of my own season to illustrate that McNair can F up even the tastiest of matchups. Don't do it!!
Read his OP. I'm not sure this opinion is very educated at all.Then he is getting an educated opinion for his money, he just does not like what he is reading.Maybe he paid for a subscription and expects something more for his money??If you have him on your team and you are not happy..don`t play him, if you don`t have him on your team who gives a rats ### where he is ranked!!McNabb hasn't tossed more than 1 TD pass in a game in over a month and didn't do squat last time he played the Skin's but he's ranked above such qb's as Romo and Plamer?
culdeus
Footballguy
Philly has always had love from the staff here. There are some vocal Eagles homers putting together the projections and rankings. It's worth keeping in mind.
Boulder Toads
Footballguy
I hear ya, but my current roster holds only Huard (Garcia on bye). I'm tempted with McNair as I had good luck the last time I picked him up (vs. CLE in week 4 when he threw for 300/1).Yes, I am mired in the midst of a true QBBC. I know McNair isn't as bad as he was vs. PIT on Monday night. However, I'm sitting here looking at the matchup with CIN and I could see 225/2/1 kind of numbers coming from the BAL QB ...Danger!! I did this week 1, when they played Cincy. Hated my backup QB pick in the draft, so I dumped Pennington to get McNair, played him over Kitna.McNair = 0I was actually thinking of picking him up from the WW and playing him this week ...
Kitna = 26
I lost by 20 points, now sit at 7-1 in 2nd place. The leader? They guy that beat me week1, he's also 7-1.
I only offer this story of my own season to illustrate that McNair can F up even the tastiest of matchups. Don't do it!!
Young 8
Footballguy
Losman was great against the Jets in the 4th quarter.....a week beforeMcNair sucked since the start of the season
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Just a heads up on Romo, I know he had VERY solid numbers week 1 vs. the Giants but beware Romo only had 24 attempts that first week and 14 completions.That tells me Dallas had a lot of big plays. If those big plays don't come to fruition, passing 24 times isn't going to get you those big numbers.I'm not saying bench Romo, how could you unless you somehow have super team, but what I am saying is I will not be surprised if Romo ends up with 200something yards rather than 300something and possibly 2 Td's rather than 4.I expect each team to try and establish the run. I expect Dallas to try and use Witten over the middle to establish that area as well. I'm not saying either team won't try the deep ball, because they will but my overall numbers for Romo are being kept in check for this week.McNabb hasn't tossed more than 1 TD pass in a game in over a month and didn't do squat last time he played the Skin's but he's ranked above such qb's as Romo and Plamer?
Define "nice" pass D... Is it their 18th ranking in net pass yards allowed per game this year (215.6 on average), their #10 ranking in pass TDs allowed (9), their #15 ranking with 8 interceptions, or their tie for 12th in the NFL with 20 sacks? The Redskins pass D has allowed 3 straight games of 214 passing yards or more over the past 3 weeks (280, 334, 214 weeks 7-9) - are those "nice" defensive efforts?Hmm. Sounds pretty mediocre to me, but don't let the statistics get in the way of "nice". Then there's the fact that the Washington passing game has stalled over the past 3 weeks with no game over 200 yards passing for Campbell - hard to sustain drives with this offense unless Clinton Portis manages to go off again this week (he hadn't gone over 100 yards rushing in a game this year until last week). To review: Washington - mediocre pass D, poor to mediocre offense - yeah, I guess it is far-fetched that the Eagles might have a solid day passing the ball on Sunday...
or perhaps NOT.
H.K.
Footballguy
McNabb has 7 games with one TD or less and one multiple TD game this year. He has lost his mobility, so it isn't like he is making up the difference with his legs. However, FBG probably knows they made a mistake with the rankings, so there is no question they'll drop him down to the low to mid twenties where he belongs.buzzhunter
Footballguy
I also picked McNair up for a tasty matchup... and then he hurt his back SLEEPING the very next night. I was forced to start Joey Harrington anyway and lost by one point when his receivers dipped their hands in cement before the MNF game.Danger!! I did this week 1, when they played Cincy. Hated my backup QB pick in the draft, so I dumped Pennington to get McNair, played him over Kitna.McNair = 0I was actually thinking of picking him up from the WW and playing him this week ...
Kitna = 26
I lost by 20 points, now sit at 7-1 in 2nd place. The leader? They guy that beat me week1, he's also 7-1.
I only offer this story of my own season to illustrate that McNair can F up even the tastiest of matchups. Don't do it!!
buzzhunter
Footballguy
Don't let statistics get in the way of remembering that a good bit of those averages were when the Patriots were throwing deep on 4th & 2 up 45 in the 4th quarter. Take away the Pats game and the Skins D vs. QB's goes from 9th worst to 5th or 6th best.Don't let statistics get in the way of telling you what you want to hear. Personally, I think the ranking has more to do with the fact that Reskins DB's are dropping like flies.Define "nice" pass D... Is it their 18th ranking in net pass yards allowed per game this year (215.6 on average), their #10 ranking in pass TDs allowed (9), their #15 ranking with 8 interceptions, or their tie for 12th in the NFL with 20 sacks? The Redskins pass D has allowed 3 straight games of 214 passing yards or more over the past 3 weeks (280, 334, 214 weeks 7-9) - are those "nice" defensive efforts?Hmm. Sounds pretty mediocre to me, but don't let the statistics get in the way of "nice". Then there's the fact that the Washington passing game has stalled over the past 3 weeks with no game over 200 yards passing for Campbell - hard to sustain drives with this offense unless Clinton Portis manages to go off again this week (he hadn't gone over 100 yards rushing in a game this year until last week). To review: Washington - mediocre pass D, poor to mediocre offense - yeah, I guess it is far-fetched that the Eagles might have a solid day passing the ball on Sunday...or perhaps NOT.
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
Most tout services, including FBG, put too much weight in their rankings based upon the "matchup" and not the prowess of the player.
Low to mid 20's?? Name 25 QBs that will better than McNabb this week.McNabb has 7 games with one TD or less and one multiple TD game this year. He has lost his mobility, so it isn't like he is making up the difference with his legs. However, FBG probably knows they made a mistake with the rankings, so there is no question they'll drop him down to the low to mid twenties where he belongs.
Or maybe Washington's secondary is banged up and they don't have much of a pass rush and they typically give up pretty good games to McNabb and the Eagles
Funny, but last I looked, DMac was on pace for 4000 yards, and still has a terrific TD/INt ratio. As bad as he's looked, his stats are well...not really so bad!
Washington's secondary was mediocre to start with, and is banged up. To project McNabb into the top ten is not so far-fetched. While he's only had one great game this year, he hasn't had many clunkers either.
Washington's secondary was mediocre to start with, and is banged up. To project McNabb into the top ten is not so far-fetched. While he's only had one great game this year, he hasn't had many clunkers either.
Just verified that on NFL.com. McNabb currently ranks #8 in NFL at 2044 yds, with 9 TD vs 4 int. and a 60% completion rate with an 86.3 QB rating (like that stat means much).
The bottom line is that the low TD totals appear almost a bad luck thing more then a talent thing. Unless you league penalizes the QB for "sack" McNabb is still a solid play, and still top 10 in most leagues.
The bottom line is that the low TD totals appear almost a bad luck thing more then a talent thing. Unless you league penalizes the QB for "sack" McNabb is still a solid play, and still top 10 in most leagues.
H.K.
Footballguy
McNabb has thrown one TD pass vs. NFC East opponents in three games, including zero vs. Wash earlier this year. It is statistically impossible for him to throw a TD pass this week. In most leagues, TD passes are the point getters. Since McNabb does not throw them, its easier to list the guys he has a chance to outperform. The list includes the QB's in Minnesota, Miami, Jax, & SF. Add Carolina to the mix if Carr starts. Now, all those QB's have a chance of tossing a TD, so they very well could out point McNabb this week. McNabb should be no higher than 25 this week.Low to mid 20's?? Name 25 QBs that will better than McNabb this week.McNabb has 7 games with one TD or less and one multiple TD game this year. He has lost his mobility, so it isn't like he is making up the difference with his legs.
However, FBG probably knows they made a mistake with the rankings, so there is no question they'll drop him down to the low to mid twenties where he belongs.
MCguidance
Footballguy
It's amazing that they keep trotting McNair out there....why not give it over to Boller? Homers?
Jeff Pasquino
Footballguy
here.Weekly Projections are done by Dodds and also by Bloom - neither of which are Eagles fans, so this is a complete falsehood.Jason Wood and myself are Eagles fans, but we're temperate on who we back and why. You're welcome to question any and all of our rankings and opinions - but I bet you were glad if you picked Westbrook as early as I recommended this year.
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Captain Hook
Footballguy
I doubt that many FF leagues use NFL rankings for playersUsing 4 pts per TD pass and 1/20 yardage, and minus 1 for interceptions (WCOFF scoring), McNabb is #11 among quarterbacks after the first nine weeks of the season. BUT at the moment that is less than ten points from 9th place (although he and Hasselbeck would seem to be going in opposite directions).
But that's kind of my point. A few posters in here were insinuating that DMac should be around #20. We can all agree he has been a bit less then his usual self, and HE IS STILL at #11???IN a must-win scenario against a mediocre pass defense, it does not seem unreasonable to project him into the top ten. When you factor in that his struggles have come mostly against teams with above average pass rush (which Washington does NOT HAVE), the ranking makes perfect sense.
I'm not sure why the Eagles (and their players) illicit such illogical arguments and opinions in these forums, but they always have, on both sides of the spectrum (both for and against). No logical ranking would put McNabb higher then 5 or 6, or lower then 13 or so this week...and that's not a big difference really.
coyote5
Footballguy
I was willing to go along with your arguments until you said that 13 really isn't much different than 5. ORLY?? That's 8 QB's. 25% of the starting QBs in the league. Not a big difference?? I beg to differ.
You logic is beyond flawed. McNabb has played poorly when rushed. Washington does not have a good pass rush, Washington has a injured Fred Smoot as the #2 CB. I will bet you anything you want McNabb will finish higher than 25 among all QBs this week. What do you say??McNabb has thrown one TD pass vs. NFC East opponents in three games, including zero vs. Wash earlier this year. It is statistically impossible for him to throw a TD pass this week. In most leagues, TD passes are the point getters. Since McNabb does not throw them, its easier to list the guys he has a chance to outperform. The list includes the QB's in Minnesota, Miami, Jax, & SF. Add Carolina to the mix if Carr starts. Now, all those QB's have a chance of tossing a TD, so they very well could out point McNabb this week. McNabb should be no higher than 25 this week.Low to mid 20's?? Name 25 QBs that will better than McNabb this week.
However, FBG probably knows they made a mistake with the rankings, so there is no question they'll drop him down to the low to mid twenties where he belongs.
Fear The Turtle
Footballguy
Mmmm, in the Wimer Passing Matchups available to subscribers, Mark says that McNabb vs the Wash. pass D is only a neutral matchup. Definitely sounds like he isn't calling for a number six performance out of McNabb, which was my comment in the first place. I'd say the low to mid teens is more likely. You know, as befits a Neutral matchup.Define "nice" pass D... Is it their 18th ranking in net pass yards allowed per game this year (215.6 on average), their #10 ranking in pass TDs allowed (9), their #15 ranking with 8 interceptions, or their tie for 12th in the NFL with 20 sacks? The Redskins pass D has allowed 3 straight games of 214 passing yards or more over the past 3 weeks (280, 334, 214 weeks 7-9) - are those "nice" defensive efforts?Hmm. Sounds pretty mediocre to me, but don't let the statistics get in the way of "nice". Then there's the fact that the Washington passing game has stalled over the past 3 weeks with no game over 200 yards passing for Campbell - hard to sustain drives with this offense unless Clinton Portis manages to go off again this week (he hadn't gone over 100 yards rushing in a game this year until last week). To review: Washington - mediocre pass D, poor to mediocre offense - yeah, I guess it is far-fetched that the Eagles might have a solid day passing the ball on Sunday...or perhaps NOT.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
They must have implemented a bug-filled computer system to make these predictions, because I know Joe & the team is way too smart to consistently make so many mistakes week after week. This year has been really bad for the cheatsheets. Note: I still consider this the best FF site on the internet and plan to be a subscriber for life. But you are oblivious to reality if you don't think they have been making several extremely obvious mistakes in the cheatsheets all season long. I hope this is viewed as constructive criticism. I have been a member for years, and have always considered the FBG cheatsheets to be top notch. But that has just not been the case this year. And before you jump all over me let me say this: As a paying customer (as well as most of the subscriber base), I am paying for their expert opinion, which this year appears to be not-so-expert. I am a loyal customer and have no plans to stop subscribing, but if they don't fix this cheatsheet problem within the next year, I will seriously have to consider taking my business elsewhere. I don't want to, but the cheatsheets are their top product. The articles are great, but the cheatsheets are the meat of the site that I am paying for. I'm not sure where they lost focus on this, but somewhere along the line they have. It is completely understandable for a fast-growing company like FBG to try to expand too fast and neglect/lose site of their focus. Unfortunately I think that is what has happened here. I truely hope they can fix the problem and turn it around. Again, I am sure I am going to take some heat from this (as I would ridicule others who rip on FGB as well), but like i said, there is an obvious problem here that a large portion of the user-base has recognized, and we are hoping it gets rectified, thus the (hopefully) constructive criticism. If any staff wants to discuss this in more detail, feel free to PM and I can give you some more concrete examples and discuss possible adjustments to your algorithms and/or manual evaluation process.Mmmm, in the Wimer Passing Matchups available to subscribers, Mark says that McNabb vs the Wash. pass D is only a neutral matchup. Definitely sounds like he isn't calling for a number six performance out of McNabb, which was my comment in the first place. I'd say the low to mid teens is more likely. You know, as befits a Neutral matchup.Define "nice" pass D... Is it their 18th ranking in net pass yards allowed per game this year (215.6 on average), their #10 ranking in pass TDs allowed (9), their #15 ranking with 8 interceptions, or their tie for 12th in the NFL with 20 sacks? The Redskins pass D has allowed 3 straight games of 214 passing yards or more over the past 3 weeks (280, 334, 214 weeks 7-9) - are those "nice" defensive efforts?Hmm. Sounds pretty mediocre to me, but don't let the statistics get in the way of "nice". Then there's the fact that the Washington passing game has stalled over the past 3 weeks with no game over 200 yards passing for Campbell - hard to sustain drives with this offense unless Clinton Portis manages to go off again this week (he hadn't gone over 100 yards rushing in a game this year until last week). To review: Washington - mediocre pass D, poor to mediocre offense - yeah, I guess it is far-fetched that the Eagles might have a solid day passing the ball on Sunday...
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az_prof
Footballguy
This talk about McNabb being bad is getting old. He isn't the top QB like he was last year when he got hurt, not close. But he is doing ok for fantasy (11 th best fantasy) and not bad for real NFL (86 QB rating). Even last week when most agree he wasn't on his A game he still had 260 yards and a TD.
jimmy b
Footballguy
Nice call on Westbrook Jeff......care to explain yourself on "Overvalued Players"K. Winslow and R.Moss.
Jason Wood and myself are Eagles fans, but we're temperate on who we back and why. You're welcome to question any and all of our rankings and opinions - but I bet you were glad if you picked Westbrook as early as I recommended this year.
I guess you've never taken the time to check out the projections these rankings are based on, or you wouldn't say that. When using the cheatsheet, use your gut choosing between players within about 8 spots of each other.
H.K.
Footballguy
Deal. If he is 25 or worse you pay me $10 Million. 24 or better and you pay me $5 Million. Good luck.You logic is beyond flawed. McNabb has played poorly when rushed. Washington does not have a good pass rush, Washington has a injured Fred Smoot as the #2 CB. I will bet you anything you want McNabb will finish higher than 25 among all QBs this week. What do you say??McNabb has thrown one TD pass vs. NFC East opponents in three games, including zero vs. Wash earlier this year. It is statistically impossible for him to throw a TD pass this week. In most leagues, TD passes are the point getters. Since McNabb does not throw them, its easier to list the guys he has a chance to outperform. The list includes the QB's in Minnesota, Miami, Jax, & SF. Add Carolina to the mix if Carr starts. Now, all those QB's have a chance of tossing a TD, so they very well could out point McNabb this week. McNabb should be no higher than 25 this week.Low to mid 20's?? Name 25 QBs that will better than McNabb this week.
However, FBG probably knows they made a mistake with the rankings, so there is no question they'll drop him down to the low to mid twenties where he belongs.
southeastjerome
Footballguy
Washington's pass rush is better than average this year. While they are not great, they are not the same pass rush defecient unit as they were last year. Would you call the cowboys a good pash rush team? They seemed to do a pretty good job on McNabb. They have 1 more sack than Washington on the year. Throw in the fact that Washington put a good amount of pressure on McNabb the first time they played. Three sacks 5 QH. That compares similarly if not better than the 3 sacks, 2 QH that Dallas put on him.You logic is beyond flawed. McNabb has played poorly when rushed. Washington does not have a good pass rush, Washington has a injured Fred Smoot as the #2 CB. I will bet you anything you want McNabb will finish higher than 25 among all QBs this week. What do you say??McNabb has thrown one TD pass vs. NFC East opponents in three games, including zero vs. Wash earlier this year. It is statistically impossible for him to throw a TD pass this week. In most leagues, TD passes are the point getters. Since McNabb does not throw them, its easier to list the guys he has a chance to outperform. The list includes the QB's in Minnesota, Miami, Jax, & SF. Add Carolina to the mix if Carr starts. Now, all those QB's have a chance of tossing a TD, so they very well could out point McNabb this week. McNabb should be no higher than 25 this week.Low to mid 20's?? Name 25 QBs that will better than McNabb this week.McNabb has 7 games with one TD or less and one multiple TD game this year. He has lost his mobility, so it isn't like he is making up the difference with his legs.
However, FBG probably knows they made a mistake with the rankings, so there is no question they'll drop him down to the low to mid twenties where he belongs.
Just once it would be nice to see you put your money where your mouth is. You like making ludicrous predictions either just to fish or be an idiot.Deal. If he is 25 or worse you pay me $10 Million. 24 or better and you pay me $5 Million. Good luck.You logic is beyond flawed. McNabb has played poorly when rushed. Washington does not have a good pass rush, Washington has a injured Fred Smoot as the #2 CB. I will bet you anything you want McNabb will finish higher than 25 among all QBs this week. What do you say??McNabb has thrown one TD pass vs. NFC East opponents in three games, including zero vs. Wash earlier this year. It is statistically impossible for him to throw a TD pass this week. In most leagues, TD passes are the point getters. Since McNabb does not throw them, its easier to list the guys he has a chance to outperform. The list includes the QB's in Minnesota, Miami, Jax, & SF. Add Carolina to the mix if Carr starts. Now, all those QB's have a chance of tossing a TD, so they very well could out point McNabb this week. McNabb should be no higher than 25 this week.Low to mid 20's?? Name 25 QBs that will better than McNabb this week.McNabb has 7 games with one TD or less and one multiple TD game this year. He has lost his mobility, so it isn't like he is making up the difference with his legs.
However, FBG probably knows they made a mistake with the rankings, so there is no question they'll drop him down to the low to mid twenties where he belongs.
He will this week because I go against him. He's a lock for 3 TDs and over 300 yards.McNabb hasn't tossed more than 1 TD pass in a game in over a month and didn't do squat last time he played the Skin's but he's ranked above such qb's as Romo and Plamer?