Meltdown in Japan's Reactors (3 Viewers)

[Otis]

What have been the health consequences so far to this radiation? Anyone hurt yet?

 

[FavreCo]

The danger to the public will come if

A: The fuel melts

B: fire or steam carries significant amunts of fuel/solid long lived fission material into the atmosphere.

Some of us believe these things might already be taking place.

Some of us believe we've been abducted by aliens. Some of us believe black helicopters and GW Bush are setting up a New World Order. Some of us believe that the aliens are coming to pick them up, so they should wait on a mountain top to be picked up because they are the chosen ones.You joining the conspiracy theorist camp scares me, good buddy.

Never been abducted as far as I know but there is no chance in ####### hell that I can be from this ####ty planet.

 

[Christo]

The danger to the public will come if

A: The fuel melts

B: fire or steam carries significant amunts of fuel/solid long lived fission material into the atmosphere.

Some of us believe these things might already be taking place.

Some of us believe we've been abducted by aliens. Some of us believe black helicopters and GW Bush are setting up a New World Order. Some of us believe that the aliens are coming to pick them up, so they should wait on a mountain top to be picked up because they are the chosen ones.You joining the conspiracy theorist camp scares me, good buddy.

Never been abducted as far as I know but there is no chance in ####### hell that I can be from this ####ty planet.

Oh, you're one of us.Deal with it.

C

 

[timschochet]

Prior to this incident I would consider myself to be in the pro-nuclear power crowd. But if this government's response (or lack of response) is any indication of the real dangers facing us, I have completely changed my position. I keep hearing from people saying minimal radiation could escape. So why not show us this? This has been classified as a 6 on a 1-7 scale with the 7 being the worst nuclear disaster ever. Show the world how safe this is, even when everything goes wrong. What a better test than a 9.0 earthquake and 30 feet tsunami waves. If you can control the radiation from exiting to the point that no one is harmed, then show us that. But when you secretly cut off all dialogue with the press and implement a series of things that point to things not being safe at all, then don't expect us to believe how safe this technology is at a later time. The whole world is watching. If you have facts on your side, you could win a ton of people to your side right now.

At the risk of once again being called "uncaring", I have to point out, once again, that the incident that gets a 7 on this list, the "worst nuclear disaster ever", Chernobyl, resulted in the long term deaths of either 220 or 6,000 people, depending on who you believe. Cancer, which was the main cause of death kills 7-9 million people a year (500,000 in America alone.) So no, based on this I just don't believe your perception of "the real dangers facing us" is accurate, or should cause you to change your mind about nuclear energy. Even if we had one Chernobyl breakdown every year in the United States, the results would be statistically insignificant: in terms of total cancer deaths.

 

[Otis]

Eliot Spitzer trying desperately on CNN now to get Sanjay Gupta to say that this radiation is deadly. Sanjay totally straight faced holding up some instrument that took a reading and telling the viewers that it's nothing.

Eliot: But Sanjay, this isn't the kind of radiation that people could withstand every day for say a year, is it??

Sanjay: Actually, yeah, it's totally fine, and no more than we are exposed to over the course of our normal daily lives.



Christ this is pathetic.

He also was asking Sanjay about all the injuries they are seeing in the hospital there. Sanjay goes on at length about the "walking wounded" and some of the serious injuries they've seen from the tsunami. Eliot presses him on the "radiation-related injuries." Sanjay blows up his spot and tells him they haven't seen any and he wouldn't expect to based on the radiation thus far.

I wish there were a news network that didn't cater to the downright stupid.

 

[Otis]

LMAO at Spitzer coming back on the air and saying "Oops, I have to correct myself, I misheard something before the break -- I said the Nikkei was down 5% today, it is actually up 5%."

Then, to make sure people are still scared and tuning in...

"However it's down 12% since the crisis."

GOOD BECAUSE I WAS GONNA DUMP YOU ANYWAY

Humans are stupid.

 

[bueno]

Simple question to all the people saying a few of us are overblowing things:Why would you send all but 50 of the workers home when it's clear that every one of these reactors has issues (fires, needing sea water, etc)? Why would you cut that back to less than 10 people per reactor? Clearly it's safe for everyone to be in that area (that's been your argument all along, right?), so why send 600+ home and just keep 50 working when the plant has issues with all 6 reactors and pools?

Why would you not send all non-essential personnel home? The government mandates exposure limits that are, to some extent, rectally extracted. Exceed those limits, you can't work where you might be exposed. You really need to understand there is a difference between what is mandated and what is safe. (Not that we are saying it is perfectly safe - there is a statistical chance there will be higher cancer incidences, but you can say that about sun-bathers too.

 

[bueno]

Simple question number 2: Since the radiation levels are minimal, how about setting up some geiger counters on site and in surrounding areas via webcam so the world can watch along and show everyone how safe this technology is?

Where did anyone use the term minimal? Why do you feel the need to put words in people's mouths?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

why in the world would Eliot Spitzer be talking about this on CNN? I thought high-priced prostitutes were more in his wheelhouse than potential nuclear fallout.

 

[bueno]

Also, keep in mind that this nuclear catastrophe occured because of one of the worst natural disasters of modern times. A 9.0 magnitude earthquake followed by a wave of water that wiped out dozens of towns and villages is about as severe a problem as a power plant can have to deal with...and they have managed to avert major catastrophe (major loss of life) thus far, and appear more likely to succeed than fail.

IMO, this is the most important thing to take out of this! I would wonder what would have happened to a solar panals, wind turbines, coal plants, or anything else. This should be a strong statement TOWARDS Nuclear power, not against it.

None of them would be releasing radiation.

True, but those wind turbine blades would be scything through crap like there's no tomorrow. Not sure if it's been answered yet, but what generation plants are the reactors that have been impacted? The latest presentation I saw from one of the new generation plants that are in the proposal stage here appeared to be quite failsafe.

They are older models, If the new ones being built are version 5.0, these are version 3,2.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

I wish there were a news network that didn't cater to the downright stupid.

PBS newshour and Al Jazeera.

 

[Otis]

why in the world would Eliot Spitzer be talking about this on CNN? I thought high-priced prostitutes were more in wheelhouse than potential nuclear fallout.

Somehow they gave this moron a show. I was just saying to my wife "he should stick to whores."

 

[bueno]

not minimize, but those who have died from nuclear power pales in comparison to the number killed mining coal in terms of accdents and cancers.

What about the number killed mining uranium?

Actually, probably lower than those killed mining coal. Nowadays, most uranium mining is by solution mining - pump in oxygen-rich water, pump out uranium rich water. Wasn't that way when I was in that field though. I would still rather work in a uranium mine than a coal mine.

 

[Otis]

LMAO at Spitzer coming back on the air and saying "Oops, I have to correct myself, I misheard something before the break -- I said the Nikkei was down 5% today, it is actually up 5%."

Then, to make sure people are still scared and tuning in...

"However it's down 12% since the crisis."

GOOD BECAUSE I WAS GONNA DUMP YOU ANYWAY

Humans are stupid.

You're right, they are. Give it three weeks, Otis. Then you'll look back and say, "How could we not have seen this coming?"

How many of your apocalyptic predictions have been dead wrong? Is it 100%?

 

[SofaKings]

LMAO at Spitzer coming back on the air and saying "Oops, I have to correct myself, I misheard something before the break -- I said the Nikkei was down 5% today, it is actually up 5%."

Then, to make sure people are still scared and tuning in...

"However it's down 12% since the crisis."

GOOD BECAUSE I WAS GONNA DUMP YOU ANYWAY

Humans are stupid.

You're right, they are. Give it three weeks, Otis. Then you'll look back and say, "How could we not have seen this coming?"

How many of your apocalyptic predictions have been dead wrong? Is it 100%?

I think he was right about the Lakers winning last year.

 

[bueno]

I've missed the past few threads. Is Dodds looking less crazy yet?

No, but I think Fennis is joining him.

Ham-Dodds-Fennis sort of makes a formidable trio.

so how would you categorize this Otis? Completely safe to play wiffle ball near the site? The government has set up an 18 mile perimeter. We now know that spent rods were stored above these reactors and we have footage where at least two of these tops have blown off in hydrogen explosions meaning these rods are exposed. We have seen fires, explosions and the Japanese officials themselves agreeing to some level of of meltdown and containment breach. People are seeing increased radiation levels 100s of miles away at sea, in Tokyo, etc. The people in charge sent all of their people, but 50 home. The government has declared an "Article 15" cutting off all communication with the press and prohibiting any disclosure of info from the nuclear protection agencies, etc. so what does all that mean to you? Would you freak out if a dirty nuclear bomb exploded in NYC? Would you be cool if something like that happened in your backyard, but the government refused to tell you the truth to the radiation levels you are experiencing?

Why are you continuing to equate elevated but not dangerous radiation levels with perfect safety? Go back and look at the exposure level charts I posted earlier and you will have your answer. I know you're an intelligent guy and can understand the risks outlined there.

 

[timschochet]

LMAO at Spitzer coming back on the air and saying "Oops, I have to correct myself, I misheard something before the break -- I said the Nikkei was down 5% today, it is actually up 5%."

Then, to make sure people are still scared and tuning in...

"However it's down 12% since the crisis."

GOOD BECAUSE I WAS GONNA DUMP YOU ANYWAY

Humans are stupid.

You're right, they are. Give it three weeks, Otis. Then you'll look back and say, "How could we not have seen this coming?"

How many of your apocalyptic predictions have been dead wrong? Is it 100%?

Yeah, but if just one is right...

 

[SofaKings]

LMAO at Spitzer coming back on the air and saying "Oops, I have to correct myself, I misheard something before the break -- I said the Nikkei was down 5% today, it is actually up 5%."

Then, to make sure people are still scared and tuning in...

"However it's down 12% since the crisis."

GOOD BECAUSE I WAS GONNA DUMP YOU ANYWAY

Humans are stupid.

You're right, they are. Give it three weeks, Otis. Then you'll look back and say, "How could we not have seen this coming?"

How many of your apocalyptic predictions have been dead wrong? Is it 100%?

And you have to remember that Ham is in the movie business so unless it is "sensational" it doesn't make money.

 

[bueno]

not minimize, but those who have died from nuclear power pales in comparison to the number killed mining coal in terms of accdents and cancers.

What about the number killed mining uranium?

Have there been any?

Yes. In 1979 I personally helped to carry a dying uranium miner out of the mine in Church Rock. He was hit in the back by a 300 pound rock. Burst his aorta.

 

[Topes]

Ah yes, the technology drivers and world leaders in France.

Funny, the pro-nuke crowd usually eschews their freedom fries and embraces the Wonder of France when it comes to nukes.

Dodds - you really think people would let facts interfere with their judgment if Japan showed people the steps you described? You don't think Hamfolk would pull out the foil and speculate? That's what is happening NOW. People like yourself are reading between the lines and ignoring experts.

Most of the experts I've seen are industry hacks.

Simple question to all the people saying a few of us are overblowing things:Why would you send all but 50 of the workers home when it's clear that every one of these reactors has issues (fires, needing sea water, etc)? Why would you cut that back to less than 10 people per reactor? Clearly it's safe for everyone to be in that area (that's been your argument all along, right?), so why send 600+ home and just keep 50 working when the plant has issues with all 6 reactors and pools?

It might turn out to be incredibly dangerous and a disaster of epic proportions. It's hard to say what the extent is while in the middle of things. Most folk have said the chances of anything significant happening is low. As much fun as it is to read between the lines and speculate without qualifications and information, it's no reason to dismiss the experts.Why wouldn't you take precautions?

Many would see the departure of most of the work forse as an abandonment of precaution. Were the dismissed workers washing windows? Or were they involved in trying to keep everything under control? I don't know the answer. Many see the dismissal of the workers as a resignation to the fact that the cores cannot be 'brought under control'. To dismiss their concerns out of hand is not reasonable. Perhaps the fifty folks left behind are all that's needed to manage the situation. Perhaps all those other folks were sent packing out of an excess of caution, and there is no no cause for alarm. But, to expect folks to believe that, at the behest of a few talking heads, is not reasonable either.

If a serious threat to the population were to be realized, it would have happened in the first 24 hours.

David, none of us have said it's safe for people to be working in the immediate vicinity of these reactors. We might well find that all or most of these brave men are taking on potentially lethal doses of radiation, as fuel has been exposed.

If by "us' you mean yourself, you are correct. If by "us" you mean the people on the thread, you may wish to go back a few pages and view the responses to Dodds' earlier comments.

 

[bueno]

The danger to the public will come if

A: The fuel melts

B: fire or steam carries significant amunts of fuel/solid long lived fission material into the atmosphere.

Some of us believe these things might already be taking place.

The danger to the Nuclear Industry will happen when:

A. You lie about the dangers.

B. You refuse to keep people informed about the dangers.

yeah and some people believe in the Flying Spaghetti monster too.

 

[Otis]

LMAO at Spitzer coming back on the air and saying "Oops, I have to correct myself, I misheard something before the break -- I said the Nikkei was down 5% today, it is actually up 5%."

Then, to make sure people are still scared and tuning in...

"However it's down 12% since the crisis."

GOOD BECAUSE I WAS GONNA DUMP YOU ANYWAY

Humans are stupid.

You're right, they are. Give it three weeks, Otis. Then you'll look back and say, "How could we not have seen this coming?"

How many of your apocalyptic predictions have been dead wrong? Is it 100%?

Well, remember I did predict you'll die alone.

I'll check in with my wife -- and then in 2 weeks, my daughter -- and let you know what they think about that one.Are you on medication?

 

[soothsayer]

Yes, of course, if things get significantly worse, or if there is some kind of nuclear fission reaction, there is a problem. Until then, this is by all accounts this is barely three-mile island bad, and not even near Chernobyl bad, and even that wasn't so world-endingly terrible.

Actually, not to pick nits, but the nuclear experts they had on CNN about 45 minutes ago said that each individual reactor on its own was already a worse nuclear incident than three-mile island - all six of them. Not to jump into the mud pit here, but I am worried about the direction this is headed for many reasons, not the least of which is that we don't have any idea what is actually happening on site. There is a no-fly zone around the plant, there are no people/reporters/video near the reactors and we cannot trust the info/propaganda/spin being fed to us by previously-proven corrupt Japanese nuclear officials that are now, oh by the way, verboten from talking publicly about the matter. I'm not with Dodds in wearing a tinfoil hat, but I am with Dodds in the belief that the less they tell/show us, the more worried we should all be for the safety and longevity of the Japanese people and their ecosystem in that area. In the days since this unfolded there isn't ANY reason to believe it's getting better...there's only a cascading trail of bad news that keeps getting worse.

 

[bueno]

LMAO at Spitzer coming back on the air and saying "Oops, I have to correct myself, I misheard something before the break -- I said the Nikkei was down 5% today, it is actually up 5%."

Then, to make sure people are still scared and tuning in...

"However it's down 12% since the crisis."

GOOD BECAUSE I WAS GONNA DUMP YOU ANYWAY

Humans are stupid.

You're right, they are. Give it three weeks, Otis. Then you'll look back and say, "How could we not have seen this coming?"

Hey Hammy! There were a bunch of dead fish in LA harbor last week. The last time this happened they got a had earthquake hit them within a month. You're off your game if I have to post this before you do.

 

[dickey moe]

Jesus, this thread is mostly pathetic, but hilarious.

 

[Otis]

FFA is totally disconcerting lately. Pickles and shuke have been way quiet, Dodds going off the deep end, Fennis freaking out about something other than the NBA or college sports, timsochet volunteering to take himself off the boards, and Bueno the voice of reason. I just can't deal with it.

 

[dickey moe]

Otis doing the Lord's work in here for the measured and anti-sensationalistic.

 

[David Dodds]

Simple question to all the people saying a few of us are overblowing things:Why would you send all but 50 of the workers home when it's clear that every one of these reactors has issues (fires, needing sea water, etc)? Why would you cut that back to less than 10 people per reactor? Clearly it's safe for everyone to be in that area (that's been your argument all along, right?), so why send 600+ home and just keep 50 working when the plant has issues with all 6 reactors and pools?

Why would you not send all non-essential personnel home? The government mandates exposure limits that are, to some extent, rectally extracted. Exceed those limits, you can't work where you might be exposed. You really need to understand there is a difference between what is mandated and what is safe. (Not that we are saying it is perfectly safe - there is a statistical chance there will be higher cancer incidences, but you can say that about sun-bathers too.

Link to where thy only needed just 50 people? From what I have read the fire started because all of the people were on other reactors. But a fuel fire poses no threat at all, so all is well.

 

[bueno]

Perhaps the fifty folks left behind are all that's needed to manage the situation. Perhaps all those other folks were sent packing out of an excess of caution, and there is no no cause for alarm. But, to expect folks to believe that, at the behest of a few talking heads, is not reasonable either.

Yet you believe a few talking heads when they overstate the danger.

 

[dickey moe]

FFA is totally disconcerting lately. Pickles and shuke have been way quiet, Dodds going off the deep end, Fennis freaking out about something other than the NBA or college sports, timsochet volunteering to take himself off the boards, and Bueno the voice of reason. I just can't deal with it.

Guarantee that this will be the last thing that actually changes.

 

[Otis]

What have been the health consequences so far to this radiation? Anyone hurt yet?

Have they cleared space yet to pile the radiation-killed bodies?

 

[bueno]

Simple question to all the people saying a few of us are overblowing things:Why would you send all but 50 of the workers home when it's clear that every one of these reactors has issues (fires, needing sea water, etc)? Why would you cut that back to less than 10 people per reactor? Clearly it's safe for everyone to be in that area (that's been your argument all along, right?), so why send 600+ home and just keep 50 working when the plant has issues with all 6 reactors and pools?

Why would you not send all non-essential personnel home? The government mandates exposure limits that are, to some extent, rectally extracted. Exceed those limits, you can't work where you might be exposed. You really need to understand there is a difference between what is mandated and what is safe. (Not that we are saying it is perfectly safe - there is a statistical chance there will be higher cancer incidences, but you can say that about sun-bathers too.

Link to where thy only needed just 50 people? From what I have read the fire started because all of the people were on other reactors. But a fuel fire poses no threat at all, so all is well.

Define fuel

 

[timschochet]

FFA is totally disconcerting lately. Pickles and shuke have been way quiet, Dodds going off the deep end, Fennis freaking out about something other than the NBA or college sports, timsochet volunteering to take himself off the boards, and Bueno the voice of reason. I just can't deal with it.

Guarantee that this will be the last thing that actually changes.

All I did was say I needed a break from the boards for a while- like a couple hours. I took one, cooled off, and came back. I never said I was leaving. Maybe some of you were engaging in some wishful thinking??

 

[Sudsy]

why in the world would Eliot Spitzer be talking about this on CNN? I thought high-priced prostitutes were more in wheelhouse than potential nuclear fallout.

Somehow they gave this moron a show. I was just saying to my wife "he should stick to whores."

Aurora Police arrest Moron

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

Prior to this incident I would consider myself to be in the pro-nuclear power crowd. But if this government's response (or lack of response) is any indication of the real dangers facing us, I have completely changed my position. I keep hearing from people saying minimal radiation could escape. So why not show us this? This has been classified as a 6 on a 1-7 scale with the 7 being the worst nuclear disaster ever. Show the world how safe this is, even when everything goes wrong. What a better test than a 9.0 earthquake and 30 feet tsunami waves. If you can control the radiation from exiting to the point that no one is harmed, then show us that. But when you secretly cut off all dialogue with the press and implement a series of things that point to things not being safe at all, then don't expect us to believe how safe this technology is at a later time. The whole world is watching. If you have facts on your side, you could win a ton of people to your side right now.

At the risk of once again being called "uncaring", I have to point out, once again, that the incident that gets a 7 on this list, the "worst nuclear disaster ever", Chernobyl, resulted in the long term deaths of either 220 or 6,000 people, depending on who you believe. Cancer, which was the main cause of death kills 7-9 million people a year (500,000 in America alone.) So no, based on this I just don't believe your perception of "the real dangers facing us" is accurate, or should cause you to change your mind about nuclear energy. Even if we had one Chernobyl breakdown every year in the United States, the results would be statistically insignificant: in terms of total cancer deaths.

I realize it was likely biased in the "no nukes" direction (it has been a while), but I think you should find Chernobyl Heart. Rational or not, statistically relevant or not seeing the effects on the children is more the story than cancer deaths. It is always the children that matter.Nuclear right now seems like a "necessary evil" piece of our energy pie to me, a piece that should be getting larger. But the same is true of many other forms of energy that free market won't touch on any note worth scale on its own.

 

[David Dodds]

and now some of these 50 need to sleep. Should we send in additional people? Nope. Let's just use less than 50 as the problems escalate just like the paragraph above the sea water flush tells us to do.

 

[David Dodds]

Simple question to all the people saying a few of us are overblowing things:Why would you send all but 50 of the workers home when it's clear that every one of these reactors has issues (fires, needing sea water, etc)? Why would you cut that back to less than 10 people per reactor? Clearly it's safe for everyone to be in that area (that's been your argument all along, right?), so why send 600+ home and just keep 50 working when the plant has issues with all 6 reactors and pools?

Why would you not send all non-essential personnel home? The government mandates exposure limits that are, to some extent, rectally extracted. Exceed those limits, you can't work where you might be exposed. You really need to understand there is a difference between what is mandated and what is safe. (Not that we are saying it is perfectly safe - there is a statistical chance there will be higher cancer incidences, but you can say that about sun-bathers too.

Link to where thy only needed just 50 people? From what I have read the fire started because all of the people were on other reactors. But a fuel fire poses no threat at all, so all is well.

Define fuel

Define safe

 

[timschochet]

Let's talk about the spent fuel rods. According to Rachel Maddow, they represent the biggest risk because the pools they are in are in lesser containment areas. This is why radioactivity is being released. (One of the reasons I like watching Maddow is that she is very clear in her explanations even when I disagree with her conclusions- in this case I don't know enough to agree or disagree.) Is Maddow right about this, that this is the biggest risk to public safety?

 

[Dickies]

Yes, of course, if things get significantly worse, or if there is some kind of nuclear fission reaction, there is a problem. Until then, this is by all accounts this is barely three-mile island bad, and not even near Chernobyl bad, and even that wasn't so world-endingly terrible.

Actually, not to pick nits, but the nuclear experts they had on CNN about 45 minutes ago said that each individual reactor on its own was already a worse nuclear incident than three-mile island - all six of them. Not to jump into the mud pit here, but I am worried about the direction this is headed for many reasons, not the least of which is that we don't have any idea what is actually happening on site. There is a no-fly zone around the plant, there are no people/reporters/video near the reactors and we cannot trust the info/propaganda/spin being fed to us by previously-proven corrupt Japanese nuclear officials that are now, oh by the way, verboten from talking publicly about the matter. I'm not with Dodds in wearing a tinfoil hat, but I am with Dodds in the belief that the less they tell/show us, the more worried we should all be for the safety and longevity of the Japanese people and their ecosystem in that area. In the days since this unfolded there isn't ANY reason to believe it's getting better...there's only a cascading trail of bad news that keeps getting worse.

2 days ago on one of the TV news networks (was either CNN or FOX) there was some nuclear expert saying that there was next to no chance that any of the reactors would be worse than Three Mile Island. This was after there was a huge explosion. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but it seems as if we're being fed that everything is in control, but every day that goes by this situation gets exponentially worse.

 

[acapella]

LMAO at Spitzer coming back on the air and saying "Oops, I have to correct myself, I misheard something before the break -- I said the Nikkei was down 5% today, it is actually up 5%."

Then, to make sure people are still scared and tuning in...

"However it's down 12% since the crisis."

GOOD BECAUSE I WAS GONNA DUMP YOU ANYWAY

Humans are stupid.

You're right, they are. Give it three weeks, Otis. Then you'll look back and say, "How could we not have seen this coming?"

How many of your apocalyptic predictions have been dead wrong? Is it 100%?

 

[Sudsy]

Otis doing the Lord's work in here for the measured and anti-sensationalistic.

I beleive that somehow this is all a ploy to get himself laid. Precisely how is not yet apparent, but my belief remains, intact, and unable to be swayed by information, just like some in this thread.BTW Otis, the first time I saw and then held my daughter redefined "earth-shattering" for me. I trust it will be the same for you. I envy you what is about to happen.

 

[Otis]

Piers Morgan -- another moron -- arguing with a house rep who is taking a level headed approach to this and asking politicians to NOT use this to further their own agendas, but rather to deal with the crisis to the Japanese people first and then collect facts and deal with the follow up.

This guy sounds like a total moron. And sadly CNN is the only news network I thought I could trust.

And despite everything this guy says, CNN blasts on the botton of the screen "Vitter: "THIS IS AN ONGOING CRISIS"

More sensationalism. I'm embarrassed to be human sometimes. Our media is so incredibly stupid, and that's an extension of how stupid the hoipolloi is. Embarrassing.

 

[Otis]

Otis doing the Lord's work in here for the measured and anti-sensationalistic.

I beleive that somehow this is all a ploy to get himself laid. Precisely how is not yet apparent, but my belief remains, intact, and unable to be swayed by information, just like some in this thread.BTW Otis, the first time I saw and then held my daughter redefined "earth-shattering" for me. I trust it will be the same for you. I envy you what is about to happen.

 

[David Dodds]

Let's talk about the spent fuel rods. According to Rachel Maddow, they represent the biggest risk because the pools they are in are in lesser containment areas. This is why radioactivity is being released. (One of the reasons I like watching Maddow is that she is very clear in her explanations even when I disagree with her conclusions- in this case I don't know enough to agree or disagree.) Is Maddow right about this, that this is the biggest risk to public safety?

How would we know when the Japanese have cut all talks with the press? We don't have any idea how many spent rods were there, have they been partially or fully exposed in the explosions, how many are left, how many melted down, etc?My guess is yes this elevated things significantly based on pictures of the designs and reports surfacing that up to 20 years of spent rods were in these things. But we really don't know many facts because that's the way this show is being run.That's why a lot of us are super frustrated. It's been lies, lies and then silence. I suspect the worst is happening based on the escalating actions we are seeing the government take.

 

[Otis]

LMAO at Spitzer coming back on the air and saying "Oops, I have to correct myself, I misheard something before the break -- I said the Nikkei was down 5% today, it is actually up 5%."

Then, to make sure people are still scared and tuning in...

"However it's down 12% since the crisis."

GOOD BECAUSE I WAS GONNA DUMP YOU ANYWAY

Humans are stupid.

You're right, they are. Give it three weeks, Otis. Then you'll look back and say, "How could we not have seen this coming?"

How many of your apocalyptic predictions have been dead wrong? Is it 100%?

Well, remember I did predict you'll die alone.

I'll check in with my wife -- and then in 2 weeks, my daughter -- and let you know what they think about that one.Are you on medication?

I know you have a wife and kid on the way. What I'm saying is that you're a complete ####### and you'll alienate them by the time you die. And what I find interesting is how much you care about what I have to say and that you find the need to assert your ego... It's either based in deep fear under the surface that things will change or it's based on a bully mentality that you've never outgrown, which is also usually based in fear of one day not being accepted. I think your strong reaction here means I touched a nerve.

Thanks for the diagnosis, Spock.Have you rung the feds with any of this info conspiracy info? Or did they stop taking your calls after the rainbow thing?

 

[timschochet]

-- and then in 2 weeks, my daughter

Really? Congratulations Otis! Best moments of your life coming up. I have two daughters, and the first few months are golden. And it's only gotten better. Get some sleep now though.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

Wow. I was reading this thread, but it turned into a pissing match.

Anyway, I understand the impact of radiation on human life for the most part, but I'd appreciate if some the more knowledageble posters in this thread could throw me a few links with information on the environmental impacts of radiation.

 

[Sudsy]

LMAO at Spitzer coming back on the air and saying "Oops, I have to correct myself, I misheard something before the break -- I said the Nikkei was down 5% today, it is actually up 5%."

Then, to make sure people are still scared and tuning in...

"However it's down 12% since the crisis."

GOOD BECAUSE I WAS GONNA DUMP YOU ANYWAY

Humans are stupid.

You're right, they are. Give it three weeks, Otis. Then you'll look back and say, "How could we not have seen this coming?"

How many of your apocalyptic predictions have been dead wrong? Is it 100%?

Well, remember I did predict you'll die alone.

I'll check in with my wife -- and then in 2 weeks, my daughter -- and let you know what they think about that one.Are you on medication?

I know you have a wife and kid on the way. What I'm saying is that you're a complete ####### and you'll alienate them by the time you die. And what I find interesting is how much you care about what I have to say and that you find the need to assert your ego... It's either based in deep fear under the surface that things will change or it's based on a bully mentality that you've never outgrown, which is also usually based in fear of one day not being accepted. I think your strong reaction here means I touched a nerve.

I think you are so far over the line that no apology or explanation can redeem you.

 

[Otis]

Wow. I was reading this thread, but it turned into a pissing match.Anyway, I understand the impact of radiation on human life for the most part, but I'd appreciate if some the more knowledageble posters in this thread could throw me a few links with information on the environmental impacts of radiation.

Google broke?

 

[timschochet]

Let's talk about the spent fuel rods. According to Rachel Maddow, they represent the biggest risk because the pools they are in are in lesser containment areas. This is why radioactivity is being released. (One of the reasons I like watching Maddow is that she is very clear in her explanations even when I disagree with her conclusions- in this case I don't know enough to agree or disagree.) Is Maddow right about this, that this is the biggest risk to public safety?

How would we know when the Japanese have cut all talks with the press? We don't have any idea how many spent rods were there, have they been partially or fully exposed in the explosions, how many are left, how many melted down, etc?My guess is yes this elevated things significantly based on pictures of the designs and reports surfacing that up to 20 years of spent rods were in these things. But we really don't know many facts because that's the way this show is being run.That's why a lot of us are super frustrated. It's been lies, lies and then silence. I suspect the worst is happening based on the escalating actions we are seeing the government take.

I understand your frustration about the government. I don't suspect the worst, but I guess we'll all find out sooner or later...