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MERGED: Randy Moss in NE (1 Viewer)

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Nearly 10 months after the infamous "chicken marsala" quote, ex-offensive coordinator Tom Walsh finally said something Oakland Raider fans wholeheartedly believe.

"[Randy Moss] lacked the work ethic and the desire to cultivate any skills that would compensate for what he was losing physically later in his career," Walsh said on Sunday.

After a sub-one-year tenure as Oakland's play-caller, fans of the Raiders wanted nothing more than for Walsh to simply disappear. After momentarily vanishing to his ranch in Idaho for five months, though, Walsh was called upon by the Boston Globe to put in his two cents on Moss, the ex-Raiders' wideout.

Moss, who was shipped to New England during the 2007 draft for a fourth-round pick, turned out to be a rather touchy issue for the controversial former coordinator.

"He told me last year, 'I'm too old to practice on Wednesday and Thursday, but I'm not too old to play on Sunday,'" Walsh recalled. "Did they start a senior league?"

Last season, as a part of the NFL's worst offense, the 6-foot-4, 210-pound Moss started in 13 contests, but he caught just 42 passes for 553 yards and three touchdowns.

"He looked like a world-beater in a preseason game against the Lions," Walsh added. "I never thought he was difficult to coach, but we expected him to be a complete receiver and he wasn't."

Despite running routes for an offense that threw just seven touchdown passes all season, sympathy for the 30-year-old is hard to come by.

Perhaps it was because Moss doesn't actually run the routes mapped out.

Walsh specifically recollected one such incident that occurred in Week 3 of the regular season.

"He runs a 9-[deep go]-route; Andrew Walter was at quarterback. [Walter] makes the play-fake and a huge hole opens up for Randy in the middle of the field, but he's running down the sideline. Walter nearly threw his arm out pulling the ball back. When Randy gets to the sidelines, Freddie Biletnikoff says, 'What were you doing?' Randy told Fred, 'I didn't feel like running the 6-route on the dirt part of the infield.' That's the Randy I coached."

Walsh, who was demoted to tight ends coach on Nov. 28 before his imminent release, became the scapegoat in Oakland from the beginning. Of course, most detractors were proven correct; the Walsh-Art Shell offense was old-fashioned, poorly designed and 100 percent ineffective. Yet, 77-year-old owner Al Davis saw enough from Moss to realize that he wasn't a part of the solution.

"His whole game in Minnesota was outside the numbers," Walsh added to the criticism. "For him to run shallow crosses and in-routes was new for him. Initially, he showed all the interest but later on...I don't know."

I know. He gave up.

"There were some games where out of 28 plays he'd have 13 or 14 busts. Wrong routes. Wrong reads. Dogging it. Whatever."

In the end, the Raiders didn't lose Randy Moss to New England.

They lost 50 percent of Randy Moss to New England.

:thumbdown:

 
He may or may not be right about Moss, but Tom Walsh is the worst offensive coordinator the NFL has seen in about a decade, and his opinion doesn't mean squat. When you read him, take with a grain of salt -- hell, take the entire salt shaker.

 
I said this in another thread but it's worth repeating since I can really see it playing out.

I can see Moss throwing around his attitude at practice or on the sidelines during a game and then Junior Seau or Tedy Bruschi or Rodney Harrison will jack his jaw.

His attitude is sickening.

 
He may or may not be right about Moss, but Tom Walsh is the worst offensive coordinator the NFL has seen in about a decade, and his opinion doesn't mean squat. When you read him, take with a grain of salt -- hell, take the entire salt shaker.
Whats walsh`s playcalling have to do with Moss`s crappy ,lazy approach to the game of football????
 
He may or may not be right about Moss, but Tom Walsh is the worst offensive coordinator the NFL has seen in about a decade, and his opinion doesn't mean squat. When you read him, take with a grain of salt -- hell, take the entire salt shaker.
Whats walsh`s playcalling have to do with Moss`s crappy ,lazy approach to the game of football????
Walsh's faults go way beyond play-calling.
 
He may or may not be right about Moss, but Tom Walsh is the worst offensive coordinator the NFL has seen in about a decade, and his opinion doesn't mean squat. When you read him, take with a grain of salt -- hell, take the entire salt shaker.
Whats walsh`s playcalling have to do with Moss`s crappy ,lazy approach to the game of football????
Walsh's faults go way beyond play-calling.
Again...what does that have to do with moss`s baaaad attitude :lmao: It`s walsh`s fault that randy didnt want to run in the dirt???Its walsh`s fault that he walks off the field when his team is losing????I could go on and on but you get the point...i hope.
 
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these grapes! they're making me sour!
very trueand pretty obvious randy was doing absolutely everything he could to get the hell out of oakland. Any real coach would have just benched him, who cares what $$ he was making, they were better off losing games last year anyways. I bet randy is a model player this coming year with the pats.
 
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these grapes! they're making me sour!
very trueand pretty obvious randy was doing absolutely everything he could to get the hell out of oakland. Any real coach would have just benched him, who cares what $$ he was making, they were better off losing games last year anyways. I bet randy is a model player this coming year with the pats.
Walsh said he has the worst work ethic ever. Moss told him that he's told old to practice on Wednesday's and Thursday's , but aint to old to play on Sunday. Shell said Moss is the type of person that never thinks it's his fault, always someone else's, said they wanted to take a MRI on his knee his knee but Moss refused everytime. Said Moss is getting old real quick and is going to drive Brady and Belichick crazy.T.D(Terrel Davis) went on to say that he has friends in the league that say Moss has the worst work ethic the've ever seen.........from the NFL channel

 
Moss has been in the league 10 years. He needs to work hard to maintain his edge. He's never been a good route runner or team player. He will need to work for a change to be what he was.

 
these grapes! they're making me sour!
very trueand pretty obvious randy was doing absolutely everything he could to get the hell out of oakland. Any real coach would have just benched him, who cares what $$ he was making, they were better off losing games last year anyways. I bet randy is a model player this coming year with the pats.
Walsh said he has the worst work ethic ever. Moss told him that he's told old to practice on Wednesday's and Thursday's , but aint to old to play on Sunday. Shell said Moss is the type of person that never thinks it's his fault, always someone else's, said they wanted to take a MRI on his knee his knee but Moss refused everytime. Said Moss is getting old real quick and is going to drive Brady and Belichick crazy.T.D(Terrel Davis) went on to say that he has friends in the league that say Moss has the worst work ethic the've ever seen.........from the NFL channel
whatever makes you and shell feel better, and its not a shocker people in the league said randy has a bad work ethic, they have been saying that since he came into the league.
 
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Walsh was probably telling the truth in his comments, but I really think that Moss will be motivated in NE. Plus, Tom Brady is the best QB that Randy Moss will have ever played with. I could easily see 1000 yards, and 9-10 TD's from Randy Moss this season.

 
these grapes! they're making me sour!
very trueand pretty obvious randy was doing absolutely everything he could to get the hell out of oakland. Any real coach would have just benched him, who cares what $$ he was making, they were better off losing games last year anyways. I bet randy is a model player this coming year with the pats.
Walsh said he has the worst work ethic ever. Moss told him that he's told old to practice on Wednesday's and Thursday's , but aint to old to play on Sunday. Shell said Moss is the type of person that never thinks it's his fault, always someone else's, said they wanted to take a MRI on his knee his knee but Moss refused everytime. Said Moss is getting old real quick and is going to drive Brady and Belichick crazy.T.D(Terrel Davis) went on to say that he has friends in the league that say Moss has the worst work ethic the've ever seen.........from the NFL channel
whatever makes you and shell feel better, and its not a shocker people in the league said randy has a bad work ethic, they have been saying that since he came into the league.
Moss is nothing without CPep and CPep is nothing without Moss.....either one has`nt done anything but stink up the field since the break up.....all i`m saying is you are who you are and no geological changes will fix that.....a young moss may have gotten away with relying on talent alone (like a beautiful young woman who needs alot of ''help'' to look nice as she gets older)but he now has to actually work at his craft,and by the sounds of it ''it ain`t gonna happen''.
 
I will be the first to say that his attitude will change once he experiences some wins under the Pats..Kind of hard to expect a Randy Moss type player/attitude to give it his all with the struggles on the Raiders. I dont have him but I do have Brady and am very happy to see him in NE.. :hot:

 
Sounds right on target.

He does say Moss can still make an impact. HAs a great football IQ and is tremendously gifted.

But he isnt and will never be confused with Moss of Minnesota.

"Randy Moss is a player whose skills are diminishing, and he's in denial of those eroding skills," former Raiders offensive coordinator Tom Walsh told the Boston Globe for Sunday's edition. "Randy was a great receiver, but he lacked the work ethic and the desire to cultivate any skills that would compensate for what he was losing physically later in his career.

"He told me last year, 'I'm too old to practice on Wednesday and Thursday, but I'm not too old to play on Sunday.' Did they start a senior league?"

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The Raiders' former offensive coordinator is bitter that Moss didn't give a damn in Oakland, and now seems more motivated than ever now that he's in New England? Gee, I'm shocked.

Thanks for adding even more motivation, Walsh.

 
Walsh comes off as a bitter old man taking a pop shot at Moss.

Of course Moss is no longer the Moss of old. But that doesn't mean he can't produce. We'll see how he does in New England.

 
IMO, Moss' effort/interest/motivation were clearly erroded in Oakland. I'm not sure that will be the case for a motivated Moss. (Although we certainly could debate how motivated he will be on the Patriots.) His skill level may have dipped a notch, but I doubt he's as bad as they are making him out to be.

 
On a related note, Moss fired back at Walsh's choice of hand towel design at his bed and breakfast.

Said Moss "Tom is a man who has always thought that floral patterns went well with the seashell wallpaper. Don't get me wrong, Tom runs a terrific bed and breakfast, but he has no sense of coordinating patterns between hand towels and wallpaper. "

 
(Pats fan)

Bugs me that I can look back and read articles where he didn't respond to Biletnekoff much at all. There's a "name" guy that I would have figured would get thru to him at least to some degree.

With his big head, the Walsh part doesn't surprise me one bit...pathetically

 
So you're saying that Tom Walsh's claims about Randy Moss' poor work ethic is so ridiculous as to be disregarded out of hand?

Is Walsh lying about Moss' statements?

:goodposting:

 
IMO, Moss' effort/interest/motivation were clearly erroded in Oakland. I'm not sure that will be the case for a motivated Moss. (Although we certainly could debate how motivated he will be on the Patriots.) His skill level may have dipped a notch, but b]I doubt he's as bad as they are making him out to be.
What has Moss done to earn the benefit of the doubt? I've seen nothing but crappy attitude, and a guy who over the last several years, for the first time in his career, has lost significant game time due to injuries. Is this so outlandish?
 
He may or may not be right about Moss, but Tom Walsh is the worst offensive coordinator the NFL has seen in about a decade, and his opinion doesn't mean squat. When you read him, take with a grain of salt -- hell, take the entire salt shaker.
Whats walsh`s playcalling have to do with Moss`s crappy ,lazy approach to the game of football????
Walsh's faults go way beyond play-calling.
Again...what does that have to do with moss`s baaaad attitude :rolleyes: It`s walsh`s fault that randy didnt want to run in the dirt???
Are you saying that coaches have no responsibility for motivating their players?Like I said, Walsh may or may not be right about Moss, but it should be no surprise that he blames other people for his awful performance as OC, rather than take responsibility for his own failures. It's just human nature.
 
The Patriots will just release Moss if he gets out of line.

Keep in mind, as ridiculous as it may sound, Randy Moss is but a luxury to the Patriots. The Vikings and Raiders needed Randy Moss, but the Pats were at worst a top-5 team before the Randy Moss trade. There is no huge salary cap repercussions if they release him, and all they've invested is a 4th rounder. He knows it and the Patriots know it.

 
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IMO, Moss' effort/interest/motivation were clearly erroded in Oakland. I'm not sure that will be the case for a motivated Moss. (Although we certainly could debate how motivated he will be on the Patriots.) His skill level may have dipped a notch, but b]I doubt he's as bad as they are making him out to be.
What has Moss done to earn the benefit of the doubt? I've seen nothing but crappy attitude, and a guy who over the last several years, for the first time in his career, has lost significant game time due to injuries. Is this so outlandish?
When have the Patriots taken a former Pro Bowler in his 30s with a bad attitude, a troublemaker, a malcontent, and someone thought by many to be washed up with a bad attitude? I can only come up with Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, and Bryan Cox. And they all won Super Bowls with New ENgland.This whole story is pretty pointless IMO. What are the Raiders supposed to say, "Randy was the best player we've ever had on the franchise and his talent is immense?" Of course not. The spn on this is to try and make the Raiders out to be the ones that got a steal and the Patriots out to be the ones that got taken. Generally speaking, I doubt the Pats ever get fleeced, and even if Moss didn't work out they did not invest all that much for Moss. The Raiders were the ones that parted with a Top 7 draft pick, another pick, and Napoleon Harris to get him.To be clear, I am not condoning Moss' behavior or his actions. I'm not a big fan of players that quit on their teams. But I'd be a lot more concerned if Moss did what he did on a 13-3 team instead of a 3-13 team. I don't see Moss getting 100-1500-15 like the old days. If he gets 2/3 of that the Pats will be overjoyed.
 
So you're saying that Tom Walsh's claims about Randy Moss' poor work ethic is so ridiculous as to be disregarded out of hand? Is Walsh lying about Moss' statements? :rant:
No, and no.I neither doubt that Moss exhibited poor work ethic in Oakland, nor do I condone it. That being said, I do believe Moss will be a changed man in New England. Belichick sort of knows what he is doing, and although Moss has never earned the benefit of the doubt, Belichick has.
 
Walsh make any statements regarding his playbook?

Moss stunk up the joint but let's not kid the issue-had Randy busted his ### all season long that team still would have been pathetic. A great deal of that blame falls on Walsh.

 
IMO, Moss' effort/interest/motivation were clearly erroded in Oakland. I'm not sure that will be the case for a motivated Moss. (Although we certainly could debate how motivated he will be on the Patriots.) His skill level may have dipped a notch, but b]I doubt he's as bad as they are making him out to be.
What has Moss done to earn the benefit of the doubt? I've seen nothing but crappy attitude, and a guy who over the last several years, for the first time in his career, has lost significant game time due to injuries. Is this so outlandish?
When have the Patriots taken a former Pro Bowler in his 30s with a bad attitude, a troublemaker, a malcontent, and someone thought by many to be washed up with a bad attitude? I can only come up with Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, and Bryan Cox. And they all won Super Bowls with New ENgland.
I don't remember Rodney Harrison or Corey Dillon dogging it on the field in SD and CIN. Cox I don't know anything about.
 
One week from a decade ago is nothing to base expectations on.

He has potential, and could finish top 20, but despite what some staffers think I'm willing to bet he doesn't finish in the top 8.

 
IMO, Moss' effort/interest/motivation were clearly erroded in Oakland. I'm not sure that will be the case for a motivated Moss. (Although we certainly could debate how motivated he will be on the Patriots.) His skill level may have dipped a notch, but b]I doubt he's as bad as they are making him out to be.
What has Moss done to earn the benefit of the doubt? I've seen nothing but crappy attitude, and a guy who over the last several years, for the first time in his career, has lost significant game time due to injuries. Is this so outlandish?
When have the Patriots taken a former Pro Bowler in his 30s with a bad attitude, a troublemaker, a malcontent, and someone thought by many to be washed up with a bad attitude? I can only come up with Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, and Bryan Cox. And they all won Super Bowls with New ENgland.
I don't remember Rodney Harrison or Corey Dillon dogging it on the field in SD and CIN. Cox I don't know anything about.
You don't remember Dillon's last season in CIN with a paltry 138- 541-3.9-2 after3 straight 1300-yard rushing seasons? Cox was a 10-year veteran at LB that had worn out his welcome on 3 other teams despite being a 3-time Pro Bowler. He's best known for giving Buffalo fans the finger after a game.
 
IMO, Moss' effort/interest/motivation were clearly erroded in Oakland. I'm not sure that will be the case for a motivated Moss. (Although we certainly could debate how motivated he will be on the Patriots.) His skill level may have dipped a notch, but b]I doubt he's as bad as they are making him out to be.
What has Moss done to earn the benefit of the doubt? I've seen nothing but crappy attitude, and a guy who over the last several years, for the first time in his career, has lost significant game time due to injuries. Is this so outlandish?
When have the Patriots taken a former Pro Bowler in his 30s with a bad attitude, a troublemaker, a malcontent, and someone thought by many to be washed up with a bad attitude? I can only come up with Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, and Bryan Cox. And they all won Super Bowls with New ENgland.
I don't remember Rodney Harrison or Corey Dillon dogging it on the field in SD and CIN. Cox I don't know anything about.
You don't remember Dillon's last season in CIN with a paltry 138- 541-3.9-2 after3 straight 1300-yard rushing seasons? Cox was a 10-year veteran at LB that had worn out his welcome on 3 other teams despite being a 3-time Pro Bowler. He's best known for giving Buffalo fans the finger after a game.
Dillon had groin issues and tried to play through it.
 
You guys are missing the point of why I brought up the Dallas game in Moss's rookie season.

If you know Moss you know he wanted to be drafted by the Cowboys who had the 8th overall pick. He fell to pick 20 where the Vikings drafted him.

When the Vikings played dallas later on that season he was totaly crunk. Perhaps the most motivated I have ever seen him. 3 catches 3 TD. He could not be stopped once he had the ball in his hands. The Cowgurls had a pretty good defense at this time as well. One of those passes was nothing more than a dump off WR screen that Randy took all the way to the house shreding would be tacklers from even touching him.

If you never saw it sorry. But that is what I was refering to.. how he plays when he wants to.. when he is motivated.

I certainly don't have to go back that far to find times when Randy has made big plays. But unfortunitly I do have to go back that far to remember a time when he was so passionatly motivated.

 
I certainly don't have to go back that far to find times when Randy has made big plays. But unfortunitly I do have to go back that far to remember a time when he was so passionatly motivated.
How about the playoff game in GB while hurt (hammy) and he posted: 4 rec., 70 yds, 2 TDs (including the game winner).
 
IMO, Moss' effort/interest/motivation were clearly erroded in Oakland. I'm not sure that will be the case for a motivated Moss. (Although we certainly could debate how motivated he will be on the Patriots.) His skill level may have dipped a notch, but b]I doubt he's as bad as they are making him out to be.
What has Moss done to earn the benefit of the doubt? I've seen nothing but crappy attitude, and a guy who over the last several years, for the first time in his career, has lost significant game time due to injuries. Is this so outlandish?
When have the Patriots taken a former Pro Bowler in his 30s with a bad attitude, a troublemaker, a malcontent, and someone thought by many to be washed up with a bad attitude? I can only come up with Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, and Bryan Cox. And they all won Super Bowls with New ENgland.This whole story is pretty pointless IMO. What are the Raiders supposed to say, "Randy was the best player we've ever had on the franchise and his talent is immense?" Of course not.

The spn on this is to try and make the Raiders out to be the ones that got a steal and the Patriots out to be the ones that got taken. Generally speaking, I doubt the Pats ever get fleeced, and even if Moss didn't work out they did not invest all that much for Moss. The Raiders were the ones that parted with a Top 7 draft pick, another pick, and Napoleon Harris to get him.

To be clear, I am not condoning Moss' behavior or his actions. I'm not a big fan of players that quit on their teams. But I'd be a lot more concerned if Moss did what he did on a 13-3 team instead of a 3-13 team. I don't see Moss getting 100-1500-15 like the old days. If he gets 2/3 of that the Pats will be overjoyed.
First of all, there's no spin from me. I don't care who came out ahead in this deal. Second, Randy on his best day never worked as hard as Dillon, Harrison or Cox. Say what you will about those guys, but they all are known as hard workers at their craft. None were as physically gifted as Moss, and so all have worked hard to stay in the league as long as they have (or in the case of Cox, did).

The only one of those three guys who IMHO could even remotely compare to Moss was Dillon, and his best and most productive years were spent on teams just as dismal as the 2006 Raiders. He made a fuss because he either wanted out or wanted the team to improve. But when he suited up he gave his all. Moss doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Dillon in that regard.

This story is noteworthy because it's a statement about Moss' lack of work ethic and its effects upon his skills as he ages. What's fascinating to me as an outsider is the lengths to which NE fans seem to be willing to go to deny that Moss' signing represents a departure from past personnel practices for the Patriots. Yes, they got him for a bargain price, but what did they get?

Every other guy they've gotten, including the three you cited, whatever else you can say about them, they were all hard workers. Moss is not. It's just a shame that this supremely talented 30-year old man-child is going to be able to live out the farce that has him contributing as a member of a unified team towards a championship. I've admired what the Patriots have done to date, but I can't root for them with Moss on their team.

 
IMO, Moss' effort/interest/motivation were clearly erroded in Oakland. I'm not sure that will be the case for a motivated Moss. (Although we certainly could debate how motivated he will be on the Patriots.) His skill level may have dipped a notch, but b]I doubt he's as bad as they are making him out to be.
What has Moss done to earn the benefit of the doubt? I've seen nothing but crappy attitude, and a guy who over the last several years, for the first time in his career, has lost significant game time due to injuries. Is this so outlandish?
When have the Patriots taken a former Pro Bowler in his 30s with a bad attitude, a troublemaker, a malcontent, and someone thought by many to be washed up with a bad attitude? I can only come up with Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, and Bryan Cox. And they all won Super Bowls with New ENgland.
I don't remember Rodney Harrison or Corey Dillon dogging it on the field in SD and CIN. Cox I don't know anything about.
You don't remember Dillon's last season in CIN with a paltry 138- 541-3.9-2 after3 straight 1300-yard rushing seasons? Cox was a 10-year veteran at LB that had worn out his welcome on 3 other teams despite being a 3-time Pro Bowler. He's best known for giving Buffalo fans the finger after a game.
Dillon had groin issues and tried to play through it.
As I remember, it started out as a minor injury, but he also took additional personal time for things unrelated to football (which the team took exception to). I believe the team questioned how hurt he actually was and benched him in favor of Rudi Johnson. He never got out of the doghouse and was supposed to be traded to Oakland but that fell through and was later sent to the Pats. If you find some of the old Dillon to Pats threads (if they still exist) they sound very similar to the Moss to Patriots threads.
 
IMO, Moss' effort/interest/motivation were clearly erroded in Oakland. I'm not sure that will be the case for a motivated Moss. (Although we certainly could debate how motivated he will be on the Patriots.) His skill level may have dipped a notch, but b]I doubt he's as bad as they are making him out to be.
What has Moss done to earn the benefit of the doubt? I've seen nothing but crappy attitude, and a guy who over the last several years, for the first time in his career, has lost significant game time due to injuries. Is this so outlandish?
When have the Patriots taken a former Pro Bowler in his 30s with a bad attitude, a troublemaker, a malcontent, and someone thought by many to be washed up with a bad attitude? I can only come up with Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, and Bryan Cox. And they all won Super Bowls with New ENgland.
I don't remember Rodney Harrison or Corey Dillon dogging it on the field in SD and CIN. Cox I don't know anything about.
You don't remember Dillon's last season in CIN with a paltry 138- 541-3.9-2 after3 straight 1300-yard rushing seasons? Cox was a 10-year veteran at LB that had worn out his welcome on 3 other teams despite being a 3-time Pro Bowler. He's best known for giving Buffalo fans the finger after a game.
Dillon had groin issues and tried to play through it.
As I remember, it started out as a minor injury, but he also took additional personal time for things unrelated to football (which the team took exception to). I believe the team questioned how hurt he actually was and benched him in favor of Rudi Johnson. He never got out of the doghouse and was supposed to be traded to Oakland but that fell through and was later sent to the Pats. If you find some of the old Dillon to Pats threads (if they still exist) they sound very similar to the Moss to Patriots threads.
I owned him and Rudi at the time. The team mishandled it. Not Dillon.He was willing to play and practice and they screwed the pooch by allowing it. Groin injuries must be fully healed or you are ####ed.
 
If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.

When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.

Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team. :lmao: :bye:

 
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If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender. When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team. :confused: :rolleyes:
Belichick has benched Seymour for not playing his position correctly before. RICHARD SEYMOUR. And look how that turned out.Randy Moss will get 0 leeway, from Brady, BB, the coaching staff, or any of the other leaders in that locker room. He will either assimilate himself into the team, or find himself cast off like this team is used to doing.
 
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IMO, Moss' effort/interest/motivation were clearly erroded in Oakland. I'm not sure that will be the case for a motivated Moss. (Although we certainly could debate how motivated he will be on the Patriots.) His skill level may have dipped a notch, but b]I doubt he's as bad as they are making him out to be.
What has Moss done to earn the benefit of the doubt? I've seen nothing but crappy attitude, and a guy who over the last several years, for the first time in his career, has lost significant game time due to injuries. Is this so outlandish?
When have the Patriots taken a former Pro Bowler in his 30s with a bad attitude, a troublemaker, a malcontent, and someone thought by many to be washed up with a bad attitude? I can only come up with Corey Dillon, Rodney Harrison, and Bryan Cox. And they all won Super Bowls with New ENgland.
I don't remember Rodney Harrison or Corey Dillon dogging it on the field in SD and CIN. Cox I don't know anything about.
You don't remember Dillon's last season in CIN with a paltry 138- 541-3.9-2 after3 straight 1300-yard rushing seasons? Cox was a 10-year veteran at LB that had worn out his welcome on 3 other teams despite being a 3-time Pro Bowler. He's best known for giving Buffalo fans the finger after a game.
I remember a groin injury...ETA - I see that has been covered in full
 
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If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender. When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team. :banned: :D
The part I don't get is how the Pats are so loaded with leaders that they can keep Moss straight. Let's see here, who are the leaders on offense? Granted you have Brady, but after that who else is there to say something to Moss when he runs a wrong route or dogs it? Yes Brady has the clout, but will it be enough? I don't think one person is going to keep Moss in check. 2nd yr RB Maroney gonna say something? I think not. Someone on the Oline gonna go over and speak up? Doubtful. How about other WRs? Newly acquired and with his own baggage Donte Stallworth or how about Wes Welker? Don't give me the defensive leaders. Anyone who knows football knows that within the team dynamic, there is the offensive side and the defensive side. They are seperate entities that coexist but rarely mix during the season. Moss will blow off those guys in a second.Not sure if radballs was referring to the Owens saga in Philly with his comment:
It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.
. But it caused me to reflect what happened here. Many similarities. A malcontent WR comes to a team with by all accounts strong leadership and solid character. The existing leadership was especially evident on the defensive side of the ball. Did that leadership prevent major problems? No.Will the outcome be different in NE? :confused:
 

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