MERGED: Randy Moss in NE (1 Viewer)

[PatsWillWin]

If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender. When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team.

 

[Phlash]

If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender. When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team.

The part I don't get is how the Pats are so loaded with leaders that they can keep Moss straight. Let's see here, who are the leaders on offense? Granted you have Brady, but after that who else is there to say something to Moss when he runs a wrong route or dogs it? Yes Brady has the clout, but will it be enough? I don't think one person is going to keep Moss in check. 2nd yr RB Maroney gonna say something? I think not. Someone on the Oline gonna go over and speak up? Doubtful. How about other WRs? Newly acquired and with his own baggage Donte Stallworth or how about Wes Welker? Don't give me the defensive leaders. Anyone who knows football knows that within the team dynamic, there is the offensive side and the defensive side. They are seperate entities that coexist but rarely mix during the season. Moss will blow off those guys in a second.Not sure if radballs was referring to the Owens saga in Philly with his comment:

It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.

. But it caused me to reflect what happened here. Many similarities. A malcontent WR comes to a team with by all accounts strong leadership and solid character. The existing leadership was especially evident on the defensive side of the ball. Did that leadership prevent major problems? No.Will the outcome be different in NE?

Since your a Jets fan, its not surprising that you would hope for the downfall of the Patriots. To my knowledge, Brady != McNabb - one was too tired to play in the Superbowl and the other has 3 rings. Brady will chew out any PLAYER on offense if they screw up. Belichick won't yell at you - he'll just bench you. And we have some offensive coaches who get fired up easily. Also, its funny that you say that its doubtful that the O-line would say nothing. The Patriots O-line is made up of a bunch of burly white guys with epic Viking beards who play angry, and if Moss is getting Brady sacked because he's dogging it on a route where he is the #1 option, you can bet a combination of Matt Light/Logan Mankins/Russ Hochstein will have none of it.

 

[PatsWillWin]

If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender. When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team.

The part I don't get is how the Pats are so loaded with leaders that they can keep Moss straight. Let's see here, who are the leaders on offense? Granted you have Brady, but after that who else is there to say something to Moss when he runs a wrong route or dogs it? Yes Brady has the clout, but will it be enough? I don't think one person is going to keep Moss in check. 2nd yr RB Maroney gonna say something? I think not. Someone on the Oline gonna go over and speak up? Doubtful. How about other WRs? Newly acquired and with his own baggage Donte Stallworth or how about Wes Welker? Don't give me the defensive leaders. Anyone who knows football knows that within the team dynamic, there is the offensive side and the defensive side. They are seperate entities that coexist but rarely mix during the season. Moss will blow off those guys in a second.Not sure if radballs was referring to the Owens saga in Philly with his comment:

It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.

. But it caused me to reflect what happened here. Many similarities. A malcontent WR comes to a team with by all accounts strong leadership and solid character. The existing leadership was especially evident on the defensive side of the ball. Did that leadership prevent major problems? No.Will the outcome be different in NE?

It's rare that I've seen this much "fact" completely made up in one post. Well done.

 

[Ozymandias]

Way back in Minnesota, Randy would take plays off. His absurd talent kept him productive, but he has gone down steadily. Can he get it back?

Possibly. But I doubt it. It would require a level of commitment that he has never shown. Do you think Belichick will accept him dogging it? He would have to be a workout warrior to get anywhere close to the skill he once had. Thirty years and six months old when the season starts, he's on the downhill slope.

 

[Boston]

If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender. When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team.

Fortunately there is precedent for what you bring up as far as troubled #1 WRs in Foxboro are concerned. Terry Glenn was a major disturbance in his last year with the Patriots. He got suspended for most of the season and caused quite a ruckus in the media (no local will ever forget his TV interview). Due to this the Pats were forced to start an unknown WR in David Patten and many thought the O would not recover.By the way, that was 2001 and the Patriots won the Super Bowl that year.

 

[JetMaxx]

If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender. When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team.

The part I don't get is how the Pats are so loaded with leaders that they can keep Moss straight. Let's see here, who are the leaders on offense? Granted you have Brady, but after that who else is there to say something to Moss when he runs a wrong route or dogs it? Yes Brady has the clout, but will it be enough? I don't think one person is going to keep Moss in check. 2nd yr RB Maroney gonna say something? I think not. Someone on the Oline gonna go over and speak up? Doubtful. How about other WRs? Newly acquired and with his own baggage Donte Stallworth or how about Wes Welker? Don't give me the defensive leaders. Anyone who knows football knows that within the team dynamic, there is the offensive side and the defensive side. They are seperate entities that coexist but rarely mix during the season. Moss will blow off those guys in a second.Not sure if radballs was referring to the Owens saga in Philly with his comment:

It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.

. But it caused me to reflect what happened here. Many similarities. A malcontent WR comes to a team with by all accounts strong leadership and solid character. The existing leadership was especially evident on the defensive side of the ball. Did that leadership prevent major problems? No.Will the outcome be different in NE?

Since your a Jets fan, its not surprising that you would hope for the downfall of the Patriots. To my knowledge, Brady != McNabb - one was too tired to play in the Superbowl and the other has 3 rings. Brady will chew out any PLAYER on offense if they screw up. Belichick won't yell at you - he'll just bench you. And we have some offensive coaches who get fired up easily. Also, its funny that you say that its doubtful that the O-line would say nothing. The Patriots O-line is made up of a bunch of burly white guys with epic Viking beards who play angry, and if Moss is getting Brady sacked because he's dogging it on a route where he is the #1 option, you can bet a combination of Matt Light/Logan Mankins/Russ Hochstein will have none of it.

No, I'm an Eagles fan that's been there and done this. I was dancing around like a little kid when the Eagles traded for Owens. Much like you were when the Pats traded for Moss.

 

[radballs]

If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender. When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team.

The part I don't get is how the Pats are so loaded with leaders that they can keep Moss straight. Let's see here, who are the leaders on offense? Granted you have Brady, but after that who else is there to say something to Moss when he runs a wrong route or dogs it? Yes Brady has the clout, but will it be enough? I don't think one person is going to keep Moss in check. 2nd yr RB Maroney gonna say something? I think not. Someone on the Oline gonna go over and speak up? Doubtful. How about other WRs? Newly acquired and with his own baggage Donte Stallworth or how about Wes Welker? Don't give me the defensive leaders. Anyone who knows football knows that within the team dynamic, there is the offensive side and the defensive side. They are seperate entities that coexist but rarely mix during the season. Moss will blow off those guys in a second.Not sure if radballs was referring to the Owens saga in Philly with his comment:

It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.

. But it caused me to reflect what happened here. Many similarities. A malcontent WR comes to a team with by all accounts strong leadership and solid character. The existing leadership was especially evident on the defensive side of the ball. Did that leadership prevent major problems? No.Will the outcome be different in NE?

Fantastically

 

[radballs]

If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.

When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.

Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team.

The part I don't get is how the Pats are so loaded with leaders that they can keep Moss straight. Let's see here, who are the leaders on offense? Granted you have Brady, but after that who else is there to say something to Moss when he runs a wrong route or dogs it? Yes Brady has the clout, but will it be enough? I don't think one person is going to keep Moss in check. 2nd yr RB Maroney gonna say something? I think not. Someone on the Oline gonna go over and speak up? Doubtful. How about other WRs? Newly acquired and with his own baggage Donte Stallworth or how about Wes Welker? Don't give me the defensive leaders. Anyone who knows football knows that within the team dynamic, there is the offensive side and the defensive side. They are seperate entities that coexist but rarely mix during the season. Moss will blow off those guys in a second.

Not sure if radballs was referring to the Owens saga in Philly with his comment:

It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.

. But it caused me to reflect what happened here. Many similarities. A malcontent WR comes to a team with by all accounts strong leadership and solid character. The existing leadership was especially evident on the defensive side of the ball. Did that leadership prevent major problems? No.Will the outcome be different in NE?

Since your a Jets fan, its not surprising that you would hope for the downfall of the Patriots. To my knowledge, Brady != McNabb - one was too tired to play in the Superbowl and the other has 3 rings. Brady will chew out any PLAYER on offense if they screw up. Belichick won't yell at you - he'll just bench you. And we have some offensive coaches who get fired up easily. Also, its funny that you say that its doubtful that the O-line would say nothing. The Patriots O-line is made up of a bunch of burly white guys with epic Viking beards who play angry, and if Moss is getting Brady sacked because he's dogging it on a route where he is the #1 option, you can bet a combination of Matt Light/Logan Mankins/Russ Hochstein will have none of it.

And yet somehow, you still think that all of that won't cause the team to skip a beat, because they'll just cut Moss if he steps out of line. Yeah, right?

 

[Boston]

If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.

When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.

Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team.

The part I don't get is how the Pats are so loaded with leaders that they can keep Moss straight. Let's see here, who are the leaders on offense? Granted you have Brady, but after that who else is there to say something to Moss when he runs a wrong route or dogs it? Yes Brady has the clout, but will it be enough? I don't think one person is going to keep Moss in check. 2nd yr RB Maroney gonna say something? I think not. Someone on the Oline gonna go over and speak up? Doubtful. How about other WRs? Newly acquired and with his own baggage Donte Stallworth or how about Wes Welker? Don't give me the defensive leaders. Anyone who knows football knows that within the team dynamic, there is the offensive side and the defensive side. They are seperate entities that coexist but rarely mix during the season. Moss will blow off those guys in a second.

Not sure if radballs was referring to the Owens saga in Philly with his comment:

It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.

. But it caused me to reflect what happened here. Many similarities. A malcontent WR comes to a team with by all accounts strong leadership and solid character. The existing leadership was especially evident on the defensive side of the ball. Did that leadership prevent major problems? No.Will the outcome be different in NE?

Since your a Jets fan, its not surprising that you would hope for the downfall of the Patriots. To my knowledge, Brady != McNabb - one was too tired to play in the Superbowl and the other has 3 rings. Brady will chew out any PLAYER on offense if they screw up. Belichick won't yell at you - he'll just bench you. And we have some offensive coaches who get fired up easily. Also, its funny that you say that its doubtful that the O-line would say nothing. The Patriots O-line is made up of a bunch of burly white guys with epic Viking beards who play angry, and if Moss is getting Brady sacked because he's dogging it on a route where he is the #1 option, you can bet a combination of Matt Light/Logan Mankins/Russ Hochstein will have none of it.

And yet somehow, you still think that all of that won't cause the team to skip a beat, because they'll just cut Moss if he steps out of line. Yeah, right?

I find it hard to believe Moss can do anything that would cause an uproar like the Lawyer Milloy release and eventual signing with Buffalo a few days before the season opener with the same team. He was a very popular figure with his teammates and this incident was a major story in Foxboro. After getting their doors blown off on opening day the Pats went on to a 14-2 season and their second title.There is definetly a chance the Moss experiment fails. Anyone who doesn't think so is not being realistic (as are the people who don't think he can thrive). Right now you can make a very good case for either scenario. Yet to think he can sabotage a team that has handled more than it's share of adversity over the years would be ignoring what has happened during the BB era.

 

[Kit Fisto]

I've admired what the Patriots have done to date, but I can't root for them with Moss on their team.

Oh no! Whatever will we do now? Look, even an aging Moss > Caldwell and Gaffney combined. Say what you'd like, but adding Randy Moss to a team that was a first down away from their 4th SuperBowl in 7 years, and a team that was the odds-on favorite to go back again (even before acquiring Moss) is a huge, huge coup. If he doesn't work out, he gets cut. Has everyone forgotten about Donté Stallworth and Wes Welker?Anything else said about the subject of Randy Moss is sour grapes, plain and simple. You don't like the acquisition? Got it. We'll see what happens in September.

 

[Kit Fisto]

There is definetly a chance the Moss experiment fails. Anyone who doesn't think so is not being realistic (as are the people who don't think he can thrive). Right now you can make a very good case for either scenario. Yet to think he can sabotage a team that has handled more than it's share of adversity over the years would be ignoring what has happened during the BB era.

Randy Moss goes to a team with a young, naive coach and impressionable players... sure, I can see it.

But to think Randy Moss is gonna get the best of Bill Belichick is laughable. I thought all you guys thought Bill was a cut-throat doosh bag?

Can't have it both ways, fellas.

 

[Sheriff66]

Good article here....

 

[Green and Gold]

I think there is zero doubt that all youll need is Brady to set him straight. If Brady can't, he won't be on the team anymore.

 

[Gopher State]

I aways had a lot of respect for N.E. A team with players who just play hard, guys like Troy Brown, Tom Brady, they don't have to have a star after their name. I hate to see the first game that Brady only throws two passes to Randy, he give the NE press something to print. Guys like T.O., Moss, are great receivers, but their's a reason they have no superbowl rings, they don't play team ball. NE was fine with Stallworth, Watson, they didn't need this head case who now is 30+ years old. IMO I see this move as NE trying to keep up with the younger and very talented colts. I agree we see come December, how this pans out, but I think NE added something they didn't need. They had the talent to get it done without adding Randy "I play when I want" Moss.

 

[3nOut]

The Patriots have not officially ikntroduced Randy yet have they? Anyone know when the Pats mini camp will be? I'm interested to see Moss and Brady together and see what they have to say.

 

[jurb26]

The Patriots have not officially ikntroduced Randy yet have they? Anyone know when the Pats mini camp will be? I'm interested to see Moss and Brady together and see what they have to say.

Judging by the WRs Brady has worked with in the past. I'm sure his reaction will be along the lines of Moss' will be quite similar.

 

[mozzy84]

The Patriots have not officially ikntroduced Randy yet have they? Anyone know when the Pats mini camp will be? I'm interested to see Moss and Brady together and see what they have to say.

this is all I could find today...

Moss shows up to campWritten by: - ffLiveWire - ¦ 5/18/2007Sourceatriots coach Bill Belichick made it sound like Randy Moss wouldn't be here for the offseason conditioning program, but defensive end Jarvis Green yesterday revealed in an interview on ESPN-890 with the Herald's Michael Felger that Moss was here Wednesday. "What a surprise," Green said. "Everyone heard that (he wasn't coming), then the guy comes in on Wednesday. Just being here - he doesn't even have to work out - says a lot about him. He's not the guy everyone thinks he is. He's coming to work. He just wants to be a Patriot, man."

I heard on mike and mike this morning he was playing in some charity basketball game in boston yesterday also.

 

[j3r3m3y]

You guys are missing the point of why I brought up the Dallas game in Moss's rookie season.If you know Moss you know he wanted to be drafted by the Cowboys who had the 8th overall pick. He fell to pick 20 where the Vikings drafted him.When the Vikings played dallas later on that season he was totaly crunk. Perhaps the most motivated I have ever seen him. 3 catches 3 TD. He could not be stopped once he had the ball in his hands. The Cowgurls had a pretty good defense at this time as well. One of those passes was nothing more than a dump off WR screen that Randy took all the way to the house shreding would be tacklers from even touching him.If you never saw it sorry. But that is what I was refering to.. how he plays when he wants to.. when he is motivated.I certainly don't have to go back that far to find times when Randy has made big plays. But unfortunitly I do have to go back that far to remember a time when he was so passionatly motivated.

If only there were some form of compensation for playing he could receive in order to motivate him on a regular basis ...

 

[jdraiders]

If there's one thing Moss will provide the Raiders, it's that he will be the Trojan horse that will bring down the NE offensive reliability and consistency as payback for the tuck. I love how all the Pats' fans think they'll just be able to cut him if he causes a disturbance and everything will just keep on ticking. It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.

When this backfires, it could set the franchise back a whole season despite the fact that it only cost the team a 4th rounder. What if that 4th rounder instills conflict and poor attitudes among the team and especially between the offense and defense? Then, that 4th rounder became really expensive. Given how well the Patriot team is coached though, I imagine that the only thing it will cost them is a chance in the post season in 2007. They'll be able to rebound the following year.

Good luck Patriots. It couldn't have happened to a more deserving team.

The part I don't get is how the Pats are so loaded with leaders that they can keep Moss straight. Let's see here, who are the leaders on offense? Granted you have Brady, but after that who else is there to say something to Moss when he runs a wrong route or dogs it? Yes Brady has the clout, but will it be enough? I don't think one person is going to keep Moss in check. 2nd yr RB Maroney gonna say something? I think not. Someone on the Oline gonna go over and speak up? Doubtful. How about other WRs? Newly acquired and with his own baggage Donte Stallworth or how about Wes Welker? Don't give me the defensive leaders. Anyone who knows football knows that within the team dynamic, there is the offensive side and the defensive side. They are seperate entities that coexist but rarely mix during the season. Moss will blow off those guys in a second.

Not sure if radballs was referring to the Owens saga in Philly with his comment:

It's like people forget what one receiver can do to a team that is a perennial conference contender.

. But it caused me to reflect what happened here. Many similarities. A malcontent WR comes to a team with by all accounts strong leadership and solid character. The existing leadership was especially evident on the defensive side of the ball. Did that leadership prevent major problems? No.Will the outcome be different in NE?

Since your a Jets fan, its not surprising that you would hope for the downfall of the Patriots. To my knowledge, Brady != McNabb - one was too tired to play in the Superbowl and the other has 3 rings. Brady will chew out any PLAYER on offense if they screw up. Belichick won't yell at you - he'll just bench you. And we have some offensive coaches who get fired up easily. Also, its funny that you say that its doubtful that the O-line would say nothing. The Patriots O-line is made up of a bunch of burly white guys with epic Viking beards who play angry, and if Moss is getting Brady sacked because he's dogging it on a route where he is the #1 option, you can bet a combination of Matt Light/Logan Mankins/Russ Hochstein will have none of it.

I think you just mad Radballs point. Under what you just described, there is not turmoil. As Moss weesles his way through the team, he will undoubtedly build friendships......now there will be division......

 

[Biabreakable]

You guys are missing the point of why I brought up the Dallas game in Moss's rookie season.If you know Moss you know he wanted to be drafted by the Cowboys who had the 8th overall pick. He fell to pick 20 where the Vikings drafted him.When the Vikings played dallas later on that season he was totaly crunk. Perhaps the most motivated I have ever seen him. 3 catches 3 TD. He could not be stopped once he had the ball in his hands. The Cowgurls had a pretty good defense at this time as well. One of those passes was nothing more than a dump off WR screen that Randy took all the way to the house shreding would be tacklers from even touching him.If you never saw it sorry. But that is what I was refering to.. how he plays when he wants to.. when he is motivated.I certainly don't have to go back that far to find times when Randy has made big plays. But unfortunitly I do have to go back that far to remember a time when he was so passionatly motivated.

If only there were some form of compensation for playing he could receive in order to motivate him on a regular basis ...

He loves to win. He will leave it all out on the field as long as he believes the team is doing everything they can to win the game and ultimatly win it all. That is what drives him.He lost faith in the Vikings team, coaches the entire system being a winner after the playoff loss to the Giants. Which was a totaly embarrasing game for the Vikings and pretty much the end of the Vikings being a super bowl contender.Post game Moss said he didn't know if the Vikings could ever win the big game. It was pretty clear then he had given up hope and lost motivation to be his best in that situation. I saw him still play very hard after this but I think that doubt was always still in his mind and that wore on him.I think the Patriots situation is one of the few he can faithfully completly buy into. And I am optimistic that he will be giving his all at all times for this orginization. The results of that could be pretty impressive.Besides Brady and BB influencing him there is also Troy Brown who is almost the anti-Moss. Limited talent all heart. I think Brown will make a big impression on him. I also think having Stallworth to compete with will be a good measuring of talent vs. talent for Moss.Moss is more of a team player than people might think. I am still trying to figure out how big of a role he will have in the offense that I can see Moss being perfectly happy with not having the #1 role in as long as the team is winning. I don't see Maroney as enough of a workhorse that Moss will not be the main weapon for the Patriots however.. but we'll see.*edit coz vista keeps putting my replies inside quotes.. not sure why.

 

[NCJetsFan]

This thread does sound too much like Sour Grapes. Everyone knows that Randy is Randy's biggest problem. The situation he went to could not have been any better as winners breed more winners. I will hold my opinion on the whole "he has lost a step" opinion until September.

I hate to have him the AFC east but I wholeheartedly believe he put himself and his legacy on the line right now. And for these guys, like Randy, who carry a tremendous ego - that is all they need.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr..._to_catch_moss/

During 11-on-11 drills near the end of the session, he was on the receiving end of a long touchdown toss that highlighted his big-play ability.

Lined up as an outside receiver to quarterback Tom Brady's left, Moss sprinted down the left sideline against the one-on-one coverage of cornerback Tory James. Brady lofted a high arcing pass that Moss -- expertly using his 6-foot-4-inch, 210-pound frame to shield off James -- hauled in at the goal line without breaking stride.

Touchdown.

 

[BlackHole]

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr..._to_catch_moss/

During 11-on-11 drills near the end of the session, he was on the receiving end of a long touchdown toss that highlighted his big-play ability.

Lined up as an outside receiver to quarterback Tom Brady's left, Moss sprinted down the left sideline against the one-on-one coverage of cornerback Tory James. Brady lofted a high arcing pass that Moss -- expertly using his 6-foot-4-inch, 210-pound frame to shield off James -- hauled in at the goal line without breaking stride.

Touchdown.

:(

According to unidentified sources close to the situation, if Randy was wearing Silver and Black it would've been called back and -15 yards as a push off.