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MFL Position Changes (1 Viewer)

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The following player position changes will be made on Wednesday, August 20th, to bring MFL's database up-to-date with the Rotoworld.com depth charts.

* ARI: Antrel Rolle from CB to S

* ARI: Chris Harrington from DE to LB

* ARI: Bert Berry from DE to LB

* ARI: Travis Laboy from DE to LB

* ARI: Bryan Robinson from DE to DT

* ARI: Darnell Dockett from DT to DE

* ATL: Antoine Harris from CB to S

* ATL: Kroy Biermann from LB to DE

* BAL: Gary Stills from DE to LB

* BAL: Dwan Edwards from DT to DE

* BUF: Derek Schouman from RB to TE

* BUF: Kennard Cox from CB to S

* CAR: Charles Godfrey from CB to S

* CAR: Hilee Taylor from LB to DE

* CAR: Tyler Brayton from DT to DE

* CHI: Danieal Manning from S to CB

* CHI: Israel Idonije from DE to DT

* CIN: Daniel Coats from TE to RB

* CIN: Jonathan Fanene from DT to DE

* CIN: Ethan Kilmer from S to CB

* CLE: Louis Leonard from DT to DE

* CLE: Corey Williams from DT to DE

* DAL: Erik Walden from DE to LB

* DAL: Jay Ratliff from DE to DT

* DEN: Kenny Peterson from DE to DT

* DET: Darnell Bing from S to LB

* DET: Cliff Avril from LB to DE

* DET: Sean McHugh from TE to RB

* DET: Jon Bradley from DT to RB

* GB : Jarrett Bush from CB to S

* GB : Jason Hunter from DE to LB

* HOU: Rosevelt Colvin from LB to DE

* IND: Marcus Howard from LB to DE

* JAX: Brian Williams from CB to S

* JAX: Brent Hawkins from DE to LB

* KC : Oliver Hoyte from RB to LB

* KC : Alfonso Boone from DT to DE

* MIA: Jason Allen from CB to S

* MIA: Rob Ninkovich from DE to LB

* MIA: Quentin Moses from DE to LB

* MIA: Kendall Langford from DT to DE

* MIA: Randy Starks from DT to DE

* MIA: Vonnie Holliday from DT to DE

* MIA: Rodrique Wright from DT to DE

* MIA: Matt Roth from DE to LB

* MIN: Ellis Wyms from DT to DE

* MIN: Jeff Dugan from TE to RB

* NE : Brandon Meriweather from CB to S

* NE : Titus Adams from DT to DE

* NYG: R.W. McQuarters from CB to S

* NYJ: Vernon Gholston from DE to LB

* OAK: Adam Archuleta from S to LB

* OAK: William Joseph from DE to DT

* OAK: Tyvon Branch from CB to S

* PHI: Kris Wilson from RB to TE

* PHI: Darren Howard from DE to DT

* PHI: Bryan Smith from LB to DE

* PIT: Bruce Davis from DE to LB

* SD : Paul Oliver from CB to S

* SEA: Jordan Babineaux from S to CB

* SF : Justin Smith from DE to LB

* SF : Ronald Fields from DE to DT

* SF : Isaac Sopoaga from DT to DE

* STL: James Hall from DE to DT

* STL: Richard Owens from TE to RB

* TB : Eugene Wilson from S to CB

* TB : Marques Douglas from DE to DT

* TB : Greg Peterson from DT to DE

* TEN: Michael Griffin from CB to S

* TEN: Jason Jones from DE to DT

* TEN: William Hayes from LB to DE

 
First reactions...

* ARI: Antrel Rolle from CB to S :lol:

* JAX: Brian Williams from CB to S :thumbup:

* MIA: Jason Allen from CB to S :thumbup:

* NYJ: Vernon Gholston from DE to LB :goodposting:

* SF : Justin Smith from DE to LB :thumbup:

 
Is this right?

ARI: Travis Laboy from DE to LB

I don't think this is right with Abiamiri's injury-

PHI: Darren Howard from DE to DT

And this is the annual argument-

Rosevelt Colvin from LB to DE

 
* SF : Justin Smith from DE to LB - really really stinks.

* NYJ: Vernon Gholston from DE to LB - knew it was coming

Are these Final?

 
* SF : Justin Smith from DE to LB - really really stinks.* NYJ: Vernon Gholston from DE to LB - knew it was comingAre these Final?
MFL is making these changes tomorrow. Your league commissioner can always override them if your league chooses to do so.
 
* SF : Justin Smith from DE to LB - really really stinks.* NYJ: Vernon Gholston from DE to LB - knew it was comingAre these Final?
MFL is making these changes tomorrow. Your league commissioner can always override them if your league chooses to do so.
I'm the commish of 4 leagues these will impact... i also state from day 1; if the Software changes the position... u need to take it up w/ them.
 
* SF : Justin Smith from DE to LB - really really stinks.* NYJ: Vernon Gholston from DE to LB - knew it was comingAre these Final?
MFL is making these changes tomorrow. Your league commissioner can always override them if your league chooses to do so.
I'm the commish of 4 leagues these will impact... i also state from day 1; if the Software changes the position... u need to take it up w/ them.
I'm only in 1 IDP league. We draft Saturday. And this is the week we cover the 'tweener positions and override the MFL settings.
 
Justin Smith is because he was traded, which I guess you can't argue with. Even though he has been listed as a DE for 7 years..

But how hard can it be to recognize the rookie tweeners, and slap a 'to be decided' status on them for chrissake ?

 
* DAL: Jay Ratliff from DE to DT

* TB : Marques Douglas from DE to DT

* TB : Greg Peterson from DT to DE

Those are the only three that caught my eye as potential errors and I haven't seen enough of TB to be sure on the two Bucs.

Ratliff hasn't been seeing many snaps inside, since they moved Marcus Spears inside, or at least he wasn't as of last week. He becomes a very interesting player in leagues that require DTs.

The others, even Justin Smith, probably should have been expected and are correct.

ETA: Looks like Ratliff may have moved back inside as of the most recent NFL.com gamebook.

 
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obxlegends said:
* ATL: Kroy Biermann from LB to DE * CAR: Hilee Taylor from LB to DE * DET: Cliff Avril from LB to DE * HOU: Rosevelt Colvin from LB to DE * IND: Marcus Howard from LB to DE * PHI: Bryan Smith from LB to DE * TEN: William Hayes from LB to DE
Any of these guys worth a look?
 
JaxBill said:
49ers team depth chart shows Justin Amith at DE. Same with Bert Berry on ARZ's website.
Shouldn't the team website and NFL.com overrule Rotoworld? Isn't there a deal between Roto and MFL? So once Roto updates there Depth chart to match the team's... MFL will be updated as well.
 
I just checked Roto's page

http://rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/p...9&sport=NFL

Justin Smith | Defensive Lineman

TEAM: San Francisco 49ers

HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6'4' / 275

DOB: 9/30/1979

AGE: 28

COLLEGE: Missouri

The 49ers see DE/OLB Justin Smith as the player on their roster most likely to and most capable of getting double digit sacks.

Smith never got ten sacks in Cincinnati, but was one of the league's most active defensive ends. Since he will often play with his hand up and rush off the weak side in San Francisco, a significant jump in sacks is likely. Smith is currently our DL13, but we're considering moving him into the top five area.

Notice something... it says Justin Smith, DE!!!!! and their considering him top 5 DL!!!!!!!!!!

This is super weak, people whoe drafted J Smith at DE will be hosed if this stands!!!!

 
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JaxBill said:
49ers team depth chart shows Justin Amith at DE. Same with Bert Berry on ARZ's website.
Shouldn't the team website and NFL.com overrule Rotoworld? Isn't there a deal between Roto and MFL? So once Roto updates there Depth chart to match the team's... MFL will be updated as well.
You'd have to ask Mike at MFL, but there are no official depth charts, including those on the team websites and NFL.com, and Rotoworld's charts would be independent of both. As such, like our own, Rotoworld's depth charts are closer to what's actually happening on the field. I think MFL waits until this point in the preseason to limit the need for any subsequent changes. It has happened now and then, but what we're seeing now is likely to be what the database will look like all season long.
 
I just checked Roto's page

http://rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/p...9&sport=NFL

Justin Smith | Defensive Lineman

TEAM: San Francisco 49ers

HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6'4' / 275

DOB: 9/30/1979

AGE: 28

COLLEGE: Missouri

The 49ers see DE/OLB Justin Smith as the player on their roster most likely to and most capable of getting double digit sacks.

Smith never got ten sacks in Cincinnati, but was one of the league's most active defensive ends. Since he will often play with his hand up and rush off the weak side in San Francisco, a significant jump in sacks is likely. Smith is currently our DL13, but we're considering moving him into the top five area.

Notice something... it says Justin Smith, DE!!!!! and their considering him top 5 DL!!!!!!!!!!

This is super weak, people whoe drafted J Smith at DE will be hosed if this stands!!!!
I just sent an e-mail to our commish on this indicating that we need to override the LB designation on him. Mostly because we already did our auction and an owner is counting on him as a DE.
 
I just checked Roto's page

http://rotoworld.com/Content/playerpages/p...9&sport=NFL

Justin Smith | Defensive Lineman

TEAM: San Francisco 49ers

HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6'4' / 275

DOB: 9/30/1979

AGE: 28

COLLEGE: Missouri

The 49ers see DE/OLB Justin Smith as the player on their roster most likely to and most capable of getting double digit sacks.

Smith never got ten sacks in Cincinnati, but was one of the league's most active defensive ends. Since he will often play with his hand up and rush off the weak side in San Francisco, a significant jump in sacks is likely. Smith is currently our DL13, but we're considering moving him into the top five area.

Notice something... it says Justin Smith, DE!!!!! and their considering him top 5 DL!!!!!!!!!!

This is super weak, people whoe drafted J Smith at DE will be hosed if this stands!!!!
Not only was that note written in early June, but it includes the phrase "often play with his hand up". Since most of the notes since OTAs and early camp have noted that Smith is being used primarily as an OLB on early downs, it's hard to fuss over this too much.I might be a little fussy too given what would appear to be some internal inconsistency here on Rotoworld's part, but we're nearly ten weeks out from this note and counting on Rotoworld's blurbs for correct speculation is dicey at times anyway.

 
This is super weak, people whoe drafted J Smith at DE will be hosed if this stands!!!!
I don't think it is weak at all. He has played OLB at times and people should have been prepared for this to happen. The weakest thing is letting a player keep a position that he does not really play. That is an unfair advantage that should not happen. By the way, I'm a Smith owner and I'm getting screwed too, but I'd rather the position designation be correct than the other way around.
 
I think it's lame to change Justin Smith's position at this point. He got paid like a DE, he's played DE his entire career, and he'll be rushing the passer in San Fran as a DE most of the time. It could also be argued that most 3-4 OLBs play a position that is more similar to DE than LB, at least for fantasy purposes.

Jason Taylor was a DE even after Nick Saban implemented a 3-4 in Miami. Terrell Suggs has remained a DE even though Baltimore has used a 3-4 defense extensively and he even went to the Pro Bowl as a LB in 2006. It's inconsistent and premature to start taking guys who have been DEs their entire careers and moving them to OLB just because of a few weeks of training camp before we've even seen how he's being used in a regular season game.

 
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This is super weak, people whoe drafted J Smith at DE will be hosed if this stands!!!!
I don't think it is weak at all. He has played OLB at times and people should have been prepared for this to happen. The weakest thing is letting a player keep a position that he does not really play. That is an unfair advantage that should not happen. By the way, I'm a Smith owner and I'm getting screwed too, but I'd rather the position designation be correct than the other way around.
What about Suggs then?
 
I think it's lame to change Justin Smith's position at this point. He got paid like a DE, he's played DE his entire career, and he'll be rushing the passer in San Fran as a DE most of the time. It could also be argued that most 3-4 OLBs play a position that is more similar to DE than LB, at least for fantasy purposes.
I don't think what he's done in the past for other teams should have much bearing on this year's designation. And I'd guess he got paid as a DE because that's what his market dictated, i.e. he could have gotten that contract as a DE in another scheme.I think the real question here, as Aaron says, is whether Smith is closer to Terrell Suggs or Demarcus Ware. The preseason games have provided little indication; the few highlights I've been able to see show the Niners in funky nickel packages. If Smith truly is playing with his hand up on the vast majority of passing downs, I think it's correct to designate him a LB, regardless of his pass rush responsibility. If it's more of a hybrid, 50-50 deal, then it's a tougher deal. Especially when guys like Jason Taylor and Suggs have been left at DE in similar situations in recent years.
 
Jason Taylor was a DE even after Nick Saban implemented a 3-4 in Miami. Terrell Suggs has remained a DE even though Baltimore has used a 3-4 defense extensively and he even went to the Pro Bowl as a LB in 2006. It's inconsistent and premature to start taking guys who have been DEs their entire careers and moving them to OLB just because of a few weeks of training camp before we've even seen how he's being used in a regular season game.
:goodposting: If the coach assigns him as the starting DE.. then for fantasy he should be rostered as a DE... if the coach assigns him as the starting OLB, then he should rostered as a an LB. Its almost like the site is playing favorites here.
 
JaxBill said:
49ers team depth chart shows Justin Amith at DE. Same with Bert Berry on ARZ's website.
Shouldn't the team website and NFL.com overrule Rotoworld? Isn't there a deal between Roto and MFL? So once Roto updates there Depth chart to match the team's... MFL will be updated as well.
You'd have to ask Mike at MFL, but there are no official depth charts, including those on the team websites and NFL.com, and Rotoworld's charts would be independent of both. As such, like our own, Rotoworld's depth charts are closer to what's actually happening on the field. I think MFL waits until this point in the preseason to limit the need for any subsequent changes. It has happened now and then, but what we're seeing now is likely to be what the database will look like all season long.
Aren't the teams required to update thier Depth Charts on a Regular Basis?
 
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080...le=_No_heading_

Justin Smith’s versatility is a big key to the 49ers’ defense. He played 16 snaps on Saturday and lined up in five different positions: right defensive end (six snaps), right outside linebacker (four), right defensive tackle (three), left defensive tackle (two) and left defensive end (one).
According to this reporter, Smith played 4 of 16 (25%) total snaps at OLB in the Packers preseason game. He played 12 of 16 (75%) total snaps on the defensive line. He's still listed as a DE on the NFL.com depth chart and on the unofficial depth chart that is up on the 49ers team page.

there are reports like this out there, which suggest that Ray McDonald has been lining up as a 1st string DE:

It looks as though Ray McDonald is living up to his potential as the team’s third-round draft pick last year. McDonald, who made little contribution as a rookie, appears to be winning a starting job along the defensive line, surprisingly as an end in the team’s base 3-4 system. The 49ers list Justin Smith as the starter at right end in their 3-4 base, but McDonald has been getting most of the playing time there with the first-unit defense throughout training camp and the preseason, with Smith moving to outside linebacker on the right edge. Even though McDonald’s a little light for 3-4 end duty at 290 pounds, the 49ers explain this away as trying to get their best 11 players on the field, and it’s beginning to look like that’s the way they may start the regular season.
I still think it's early to move Justin Smith though. Wait and see how things go once the season starts and once we have an official depth chart. It's going to be ridiculous if the 49ers move him back and forth throughout the season and throughout each game.
 
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I still think it's early to move Justin Smith though. Wait and see how things go once the season starts and once we have an official depth chart. It's going to be ridiculous if the 49ers move him back and forth throughout the season and throughout each game.
If only in the way it effects fantasy owners. It's not ridiculous for the 49'ers to move him in anyway they feel gives them an advantage.I'm getting screwed too. It is what it is.

 
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I still think it's early to move Justin Smith though. Wait and see how things go once the season starts and once we have an official depth chart. It's going to be ridiculous if the 49ers move him back and forth throughout the season and throughout each game.
If only in the way it effects fantasy owners. It's not ridiculous for the 49'ers to move him in anyway they feel gives them an advantage.I'm getting screwed too. It is what it is.
I think Aaron's point is it would be ridiculous to move him without concrete evidence that he will play more at OLB than DE. Prior to seeing post 30 above, I would have agreed. But it sure seems the gun is being jumped a bit here regarding moving him and I tend to agree with Aaron after seeing how Smith lined up.
 
I still think it's early to move Justin Smith though. Wait and see how things go once the season starts and once we have an official depth chart. It's going to be ridiculous if the 49ers move him back and forth throughout the season and throughout each game.
If only in the way it effects fantasy owners. It's not ridiculous for the 49'ers to move him in anyway they feel gives them an advantage.I'm getting screwed too. It is what it is.
I think Aaron's point is it would be ridiculous to move him without concrete evidence that he will play more at OLB than DE. Prior to seeing post 30 above, I would have agreed. But it sure seems the gun is being jumped a bit here regarding moving him and I tend to agree with Aaron after seeing how Smith lined up.
I tend to think - who really gives a flip what a depth chart says? You line your 11 against my 11 and see who's better than who.That's my point.

Now it does effect us for fantasy, but do you think for a minute the Rams are concerned if Smith is listed as a LB or DE or even S? I don't think so.

 
I still think it's early to move Justin Smith though. Wait and see how things go once the season starts and once we have an official depth chart. It's going to be ridiculous if the 49ers move him back and forth throughout the season and throughout each game.
If only in the way it effects fantasy owners. It's not ridiculous for the 49'ers to move him in anyway they feel gives them an advantage.I'm getting screwed too. It is what it is.
I'm just saying he should be kept at one designation until it is completely obvious that he is playing a different position and unlikely to be moved back.making these changes on the fly can have a huge impact on fantasy leagues and it isn't something that should be taken lightly. if he starts at DE one week and then OLB the next, is MFL going to keep moving him back and forth? I would hope not. Might as well make the decision based on all of the evidence available and from what I've seen right now, he's still a much better fit at DE than OLB.

 
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http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080...le=_No_heading_

Justin Smith’s versatility is a big key to the 49ers’ defense. He played 16 snaps on Saturday and lined up in five different positions: right defensive end (six snaps), right outside linebacker (four), right defensive tackle (three), left defensive tackle (two) and left defensive end (one).
According to this reporter, Smith played 4 of 16 (25%) total snaps at OLB in the Packers preseason game. He played 12 of 16 (75%) total snaps on the defensive line. He's still listed as a DE on the NFL.com depth chart and on the unofficial depth chart that is up on the 49ers team page.

there are reports like this out there, which suggest that Ray McDonald has been lining up as a 1st string DE:

It looks as though Ray McDonald is living up to his potential as the team’s third-round draft pick last year. McDonald, who made little contribution as a rookie, appears to be winning a starting job along the defensive line, surprisingly as an end in the team’s base 3-4 system. The 49ers list Justin Smith as the starter at right end in their 3-4 base, but McDonald has been getting most of the playing time there with the first-unit defense throughout training camp and the preseason, with Smith moving to outside linebacker on the right edge. Even though McDonald’s a little light for 3-4 end duty at 290 pounds, the 49ers explain this away as trying to get their best 11 players on the field, and it’s beginning to look like that’s the way they may start the regular season.
I still think it's early to move Justin Smith though. Wait and see how things go once the season starts and once we have an official depth chart. It's going to be ridiculous if the 49ers move him back and forth throughout the season and throughout each game.
That Reporting is a great, great find... there u have it... Smith only played 25% of his snaps at LB, so where is the justification to change him to LB? I agree... people are still battling for Positions in the line up, its too early to move some players like J Smith. I really Hope MFL reviews this again before the start of the season.
 
I still think it's early to move Justin Smith though. Wait and see how things go once the season starts and once we have an official depth chart. It's going to be ridiculous if the 49ers move him back and forth throughout the season and throughout each game.
If only in the way it effects fantasy owners. It's not ridiculous for the 49'ers to move him in anyway they feel gives them an advantage.I'm getting screwed too. It is what it is.
I'm just saying he should be kept at one designation until it is completely obvious that he is playing a different position and unlikely to be moved back.making these changes on the fly can have a huge impact on fantasy leagues and it isn't something that should be taken lightly. if he starts at DE one week and then OLB the next, is MFL going to keep moving him back and forth? I would hope not. Might as well make the decision based on all of the evidence available and from what I've seen right now, he's still a much better fit at DE than OLB.
:hifive: I agree.

I think another solution would be for MFL to invest in a hybrid DE/LB position that allows you to move the players who qualify easily and without much fuss.

 
The Packers game is misleading. Every snap I've seen from that game has some kind of a nickel defense on the field. If anyone has a chance to see that game this week, I'd be interested to know if the Niners ever aligned in a base defense. There are many games where Demarcus Ware probably plays close to 50% of his snaps in a three point stance. So, too, Kamerion Wimbley. Adalius Thomas did at points late last year as well. It's a hard line to draw.

Teams have been required to submit official depth charts. Whether they're truly accurate is up for debate. The league required accurate injury reports last year too, but getting an accurate description of an injury and it's likely recovery time remains all but impossible. The same issues will follow the depth charts.

You can override the MFL depth charts if you think Smith's designation is clearly incorrect, instituting your own hybrid position of sorts. Be prepared for a slippery slope if you do, however. You're going to have a tough time overriding an owner who wants to move Demarcus Ware, etal to DE.

 
I opened up a support ticket with MFL about Smith. Will report back with any response.

 
This is super weak, people whoe drafted J Smith at DE will be hosed if this stands!!!!
I don't think it is weak at all. He has played OLB at times and people should have been prepared for this to happen. The weakest thing is letting a player keep a position that he does not really play. That is an unfair advantage that should not happen. By the way, I'm a Smith owner and I'm getting screwed too, but I'd rather the position designation be correct than the other way around.
:lmao: Although Anthony appeared to have changed his tune since this post, I believe this to be the most unbiased and accurate. I'm sensing a strong twinge of bias on Aaron's part after drafting Smith in the Survivor league. I suppose this is to be expected.I tend to agree that Smith's switch is likely one of the closest calls. And like Anthony, I also agree that whatever the actual position is should be his designation.On the other hand, it was made abundantly clear to all of us that the MFL positions would have changes prior to the start of the season and a number of players like Smith (Dockett, Gholston, Corey Williams, etc.) were likely candidates for a change. These players all had a buyer beware in my view and this had to be taken into account in regards to their draft position.
 
Although Anthony appeared to have changed his tune since this post, I believe this to be the most unbiased and accurate. I'm sensing a strong twinge of bias on Aaron's part after drafting Smith in the Survivor league. I suppose this is to be expected.
Nah. That's not his motivation. I think he's making a very sound argument that Smith is more similar to Terrell Suggs and Jason Taylor than the other more traditional 3-4 OLB -- at least based on what limited evidence we have so far.Rud drafts about 47 teams from spring until late summer. I'd be surprised if he didn't have Smith on more than one roster. I'm pretty sure I do. It's a legitimate discussion to have, regardless of who has him rostered.

We're trying to stay as impartial as possible. We left Smith as a DL in our database despite the evidence that he was a potential move to LB because it wasn't absolutely clear what his role would be. We'll try to find out what's happening with the Yahoo! and ESPN leagues, etc, before we move him now. I'll be interested to see what Mike has to say on this one, too.

 
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We use MFL, but I will override them with NFL Gamebooks, which I expect to happen in Smith's case. He's been listed as DE/RDE so far. Niner starting lineups in gamebooks have been a little strange.

San Francisco @ Oakland

Green Bay @ San Francisco

My take ... I rolled the dice with a few tweeners in a couple of redrafts ... I lost, it's the chance you take. However, I think it's too early to move Justin Smith.

 
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This is super weak, people whoe drafted J Smith at DE will be hosed if this stands!!!!
I don't think it is weak at all. He has played OLB at times and people should have been prepared for this to happen. The weakest thing is letting a player keep a position that he does not really play. That is an unfair advantage that should not happen. By the way, I'm a Smith owner and I'm getting screwed too, but I'd rather the position designation be correct than the other way around.
:no: Although Anthony appeared to have changed his tune since this post, I believe this to be the most unbiased and accurate. I'm sensing a strong twinge of bias on Aaron's part after drafting Smith in the Survivor league.
I do not agree with the bias comment. Aaron, like the rest of us, want the designation correct. My post earlier was before I read post 30. That post indicates that Smith lined up as a LB far less than half the time, and if that's true, I do not believe Smith should be moved. My comment prior to that basically stated that I would agree with any designation that is the correct one, regardless of how it impacts my team. I'm sure Aaron and the rest of the FBG staff would want the position designations to be correct no matter what, and that is why Aaron looked into this further. For the facts.
 
We use MFL, but I will override them with NFL Gamebooks, which I expect to happen in Smith's case. He's been listed as DE/RDE so far. Niner starting lineups in gamebooks have been a little strange.

San Francisco @ Oakland

Green Bay @ San Francisco

My take ... I rolled the dice with a few tweeners in a copule of redrafts ... I lost, it's the chance you take. However, I think it's too early to move Justin Smith.
The SF/OAK lineup is clearly screwy. They've got players out of position and hybrids of ILB and DTs here and there. Wouldn't surprise me to hear that Smith was in a two point stance on that play. The SF/GB opening lineup is a nickel -- I saw snaps in that game where Smith was standing up over the center in a 3-3-5 and playing RDE in a 4-2-5 nickel.
 
We use MFL, but I will override them with NFL Gamebooks, which I expect to happen in Smith's case. He's been listed as DE/RDE so far. Niner starting lineups in gamebooks have been a little strange.

San Francisco @ Oakland

Green Bay @ San Francisco

My take ... I rolled the dice with a few tweeners in a copule of redrafts ... I lost, it's the chance you take. However, I think it's too early to move Justin Smith.
The SF/OAK lineup is clearly screwy. They've got players out of position and hybrids of ILB and DTs here and there. Wouldn't surprise me to hear that Smith was in a two point stance on that play. The SF/GB opening lineup is a nickel -- I saw snaps in that game where Smith was standing up over the center in a 3-3-5 and playing RDE in a 4-2-5 nickel.
Yep, they have 2 ILB's and 1 OLB listed in both games.
 
I do not agree with the bias comment. Aaron, like the rest of us, want the designation correct. My post earlier was before I read post 30. That post indicates that Smith lined up as a LB far less than half the time, and if that's true, I do not believe Smith should be moved. My comment prior to that basically stated that I would agree with any designation that is the correct one, regardless of how it impacts my team. I'm sure Aaron and the rest of the FBG staff would want the position designations to be correct no matter what, and that is why Aaron looked into this further. For the facts.
Anthony, you and I see eye-to-eye on Smith being a DE foremost, but... basing his position on 16 snaps from one pre-season game isn't an accurate measure either. Especially one that as Jene mentioned had numerous atypical nickel packages.As far as the bias comment... it was primarily tongue-in-cheek, but let's face it we all tend to take more of an interest when it's OUR player. There were some other questionable switches too. :lmao:

 
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I do not agree with the bias comment. Aaron, like the rest of us, want the designation correct. My post earlier was before I read post 30. That post indicates that Smith lined up as a LB far less than half the time, and if that's true, I do not believe Smith should be moved. My comment prior to that basically stated that I would agree with any designation that is the correct one, regardless of how it impacts my team. I'm sure Aaron and the rest of the FBG staff would want the position designations to be correct no matter what, and that is why Aaron looked into this further. For the facts.
Anthony, you and I see eye-to-eye on Smith being a DE foremost, but... basing his position on 16 snaps from one pre-season game isn't an accurate measure either. Especially one that as Jene mentioned had numerous atypical nickel packages.As far as the bias comment... it was primarily tongue-in-cheek, but let's face it we all tend to take more of an interest when it's OUR player. There were some other questionable switches too. :lmao:
Well; we can change him on suggestive reporting, or we can change him according to team depth charts, or we could change him to what is being played on the field and whats hes listed starting as... which one would u choose.
 
I do not agree with the bias comment. Aaron, like the rest of us, want the designation correct. My post earlier was before I read post 30. That post indicates that Smith lined up as a LB far less than half the time, and if that's true, I do not believe Smith should be moved. My comment prior to that basically stated that I would agree with any designation that is the correct one, regardless of how it impacts my team. I'm sure Aaron and the rest of the FBG staff would want the position designations to be correct no matter what, and that is why Aaron looked into this further. For the facts.
Anthony, you and I see eye-to-eye on Smith being a DE foremost, but... basing his position on 16 snaps from one pre-season game isn't an accurate measure either. Especially one that as Jene mentioned had numerous atypical nickel packages.
Basing his position on 16 snaps may not be accurate, but when you combine that with the fact that Smith has been a DE his entire career, it tells me he should be a DE unless proven otherwise. Thus far, it has not been proven otherwise.
 
I also don't know what the Marques Douglas to DT switch is based on, although it sounds like he won't get much playing time at DE with the emergence of Jimmy Wilkerson.

I think Danieal Manning will likely play as the nickel corner in Chicago but he's still probably the backup to Mike Brown at FS.

I also didn't like it last year when MFL started listing all Hback players as running backs instead of tight ends.

 
Aaron Rudnicki said:
I opened up a support ticket with MFL about Smith. Will report back with any response.
Hi Aaron,Thanks for the feedback. We use Rotoworld.com as our official source for player positions, but you can definitely change him to whatever position your league wants if needed. Just contact your commissioner about doing that if he needs assistance. We don't plan to change player positions during the season -- that is left up to each individual league. Like last year, we update them during the preseason and keep them updated to match the Rotoworold designations for the last couple of weeks until opening day. For guys like this that play multiple positions, we really do strongly recommend that each IDP league determine their own official source and use the Custom Player Position screen as needed. Hopefully that makes sense.I'll go ahead and contact Rotoworld to see if they have anything to add as far as guidance on how/why they have him on their depth charts as a LB. I'll let you know if that results in anything.ThanksMike
:thumbup:maybe Rotoworld will have something to add. I understand why they'd list him at LB, I just think it's premature to change his designation at MFL.
 

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