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Michelle Bachmann (1 Viewer)

I don't love Mitt Romney (who does besides his wife? And maybe not her either) but I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that he is the only hope for moderates who don't really want to have to vote for Obama. You conservatives who keep accusing me of being in the liberal camp- you've been wrong all along, but you're going to be right in the end perhaps, because I WILL end up voting for Obama if you put up a Tea Party candidate like Michelle. And while it doesn't matter who timschochet votes for, there are millions of people like me on this.

 
This is a big deal? She claimed John Wayne was from the place that his parents met and lived for a time, but it wasn't where he was born.Wow, nice nitpicking.
How about outright lying? That do anything for you?
Bachmann's had her share of government aid

Reporting from Washington—

Rep. Michele Bachmann has been propelled into the 2012 presidential contest in part by her insistent calls to reduce federal spending, a pitch in tune with the big-government antipathy gripping many conservatives.

But the Minnesota Republican and her family have benefited personally from government aid, an examination of her record and finances shows. A counseling clinic run by her husband has received nearly $30,000 from the state of Minnesota in the last five years, money that in part came from the federal government. A family farm in Wisconsin, in which the congresswoman is a partner, received nearly $260,000 in federal farm subsidies.

Yet despite her broadsides against "socialized medicine," Bachmann's husband, Marcus, applied for public funds for his counseling clinic, Bachmann & Associates. Since 2006, he has received nearly $30,000, according to Minnesota state records. The bulk of the money — $24,041 — came in the form of grants from the state Department of Human Services to train staff how to deal with clients suffering from chemical dependency and mental illness. That program was financed in part by the federal government.

Another of Bachmann's assets — a family farm owned by her late father-in-law, Paul Bachmann — received nearly $260,000 in federal money between 1995 and 2008, largely from corn and dairy subsidies, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by the Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit research organization that scrutinizes such subsidies. Paul Bachmann died in May 2009, but the congresswoman retains a partnership in the farm.

Bachmann said in December that the subsidies went to her in-laws and she never received "one penny" from the farm, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. However, in financial disclosure forms, she reported receiving between $32,503 and $105,000 in income from the farm, at minimum, between 2006 and 2009.

Publicly, Bachmann has objected strongly to federal farm payments.

LA Times
She lied right to Chris Wallace's face. And now she won't accept his apology?
 
This is a big deal? She claimed John Wayne was from the place that his parents met and lived for a time, but it wasn't where he was born.Wow, nice nitpicking.
How about outright lying? That do anything for you?
Bachmann's had her share of government aid

Reporting from Washington—

Rep. Michele Bachmann has been propelled into the 2012 presidential contest in part by her insistent calls to reduce federal spending, a pitch in tune with the big-government antipathy gripping many conservatives.

But the Minnesota Republican and her family have benefited personally from government aid, an examination of her record and finances shows. A counseling clinic run by her husband has received nearly $30,000 from the state of Minnesota in the last five years, money that in part came from the federal government. A family farm in Wisconsin, in which the congresswoman is a partner, received nearly $260,000 in federal farm subsidies.

Yet despite her broadsides against "socialized medicine," Bachmann's husband, Marcus, applied for public funds for his counseling clinic, Bachmann & Associates. Since 2006, he has received nearly $30,000, according to Minnesota state records. The bulk of the money — $24,041 — came in the form of grants from the state Department of Human Services to train staff how to deal with clients suffering from chemical dependency and mental illness. That program was financed in part by the federal government.

Another of Bachmann's assets — a family farm owned by her late father-in-law, Paul Bachmann — received nearly $260,000 in federal money between 1995 and 2008, largely from corn and dairy subsidies, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by the Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit research organization that scrutinizes such subsidies. Paul Bachmann died in May 2009, but the congresswoman retains a partnership in the farm.

Bachmann said in December that the subsidies went to her in-laws and she never received "one penny" from the farm, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. However, in financial disclosure forms, she reported receiving between $32,503 and $105,000 in income from the farm, at minimum, between 2006 and 2009.

Publicly, Bachmann has objected strongly to federal farm payments.

LA Times
She lied right to Chris Wallace's face. And now she won't accept his apology?
Yes, lying bothers me. The problem is that if we only vote for people who have never lied, we won't have anyone to vote for.
 
Bachmann said in December that the subsidies went to her in-laws and she never received "one penny" from the farm, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. However, in financial disclosure forms, she reported receiving between $32,503 and $105,000 in income from the farm, at minimum, between 2006 and 2009.

Publicly, Bachmann has objected strongly to federal farm payments.

LA Times
I have been to this farm and have met her MIL. Fun lady to talk with. Might see her next month when I travel up north.
 
Bachmann said in December that the subsidies went to her in-laws and she never received "one penny" from the farm, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. However, in financial disclosure forms, she reported receiving between $32,503 and $105,000 in income from the farm, at minimum, between 2006 and 2009.

Publicly, Bachmann has objected strongly to federal farm payments.

LA Times
I have been to this farm and have met her MIL. Fun lady to talk with. Might see her next month when I travel up north.
Tell her some guy from the internet said hi.
 
Matt Taibbi on Michelle Bachmann:

Bachmann is a religious zealot whose brain is a raging electrical storm of divine visions and paranoid delusions. She believes that the Chinese are plotting to replace the dollar bill, that light bulbs are killing our dogs and cats, and that God personally chose her to become both an IRS attorney who would spend years hounding taxpayers and a raging anti-tax Tea Party crusader against big government. She kicked off her unofficial presidential campaign in New Hampshire, by mistakenly declaring it the birthplace of the American Revolution. "It's your state that fired the shot that was heard around the world!" she gushed. "You are the state of Lexington and Concord, you started the battle for liberty right here in your backyard."

...

In modern American politics, being the right kind of ignorant and entertainingly crazy is like having a big right hand in boxing; you've always got a puncher's chance. And Bachmann is exactly the right kind of completely bat#### crazy. Not medically crazy, not talking-to-herself-on-the-subway crazy, but grandiose crazy, late-stage Kim Jong-Il crazy -- crazy in the sense that she's living completely inside her own mind, frenetically pacing the hallways of a vast sand castle she's built in there, unable to meaningfully communicate with the human beings on the other side of the moat, who are all presumed to be enemies.

Bachmann's story, to hear her tell it, is about a suburban homemaker who is chosen by God to become a politician who will restore faith and family values to public life and do battle with secular humanism. But by the time you've finished reviewing her record of lies and embellishments and contradictions, you'll have no idea if she actually believes in her own divine inspiration, or whether it's a big con job. Or maybe both are true -- in which case this hard-charging challenger for the GOP nomination is a rare breed of political psychopath, equal parts crazed Divine Wind kamikaze-for-Jesus and calculating, six-faced Machiavellian prevaricator. Whatever she is, she's no joke.
 
Matt Taibbi on Michelle Bachmann:

Bachmann is a religious zealot whose brain is a raging electrical storm of divine visions and paranoid delusions. She believes that the Chinese are plotting to replace the dollar bill, that light bulbs are killing our dogs and cats, and that God personally chose her to become both an IRS attorney who would spend years hounding taxpayers and a raging anti-tax Tea Party crusader against big government. She kicked off her unofficial presidential campaign in New Hampshire, by mistakenly declaring it the birthplace of the American Revolution. "It's your state that fired the shot that was heard around the world!" she gushed. "You are the state of Lexington and Concord, you started the battle for liberty right here in your backyard."

...

In modern American politics, being the right kind of ignorant and entertainingly crazy is like having a big right hand in boxing; you've always got a puncher's chance. And Bachmann is exactly the right kind of completely bat#### crazy. Not medically crazy, not talking-to-herself-on-the-subway crazy, but grandiose crazy, late-stage Kim Jong-Il crazy -- crazy in the sense that she's living completely inside her own mind, frenetically pacing the hallways of a vast sand castle she's built in there, unable to meaningfully communicate with the human beings on the other side of the moat, who are all presumed to be enemies.

Bachmann's story, to hear her tell it, is about a suburban homemaker who is chosen by God to become a politician who will restore faith and family values to public life and do battle with secular humanism. But by the time you've finished reviewing her record of lies and embellishments and contradictions, you'll have no idea if she actually believes in her own divine inspiration, or whether it's a big con job. Or maybe both are true -- in which case this hard-charging challenger for the GOP nomination is a rare breed of political psychopath, equal parts crazed Divine Wind kamikaze-for-Jesus and calculating, six-faced Machiavellian prevaricator. Whatever she is, she's no joke.
Matt Taibbi is a far left columnist who is never going to like any conservative. I don't put much stock into anything that he says.
 
Matt Taibbi is a far left columnist who is never going to like any conservative. I don't put much stock into anything that he says.
I don't think it's anything to put stock into. I think it's something to agree with or disagree with. And I think he has at least this right about Bachmann: she is both quite sincere in her beliefs, and coldly strategic and calculating about how she expresses them.Your read on her may differ . . .

 
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Matt Taibbi is a far left columnist who is never going to like any conservative. I don't put much stock into anything that he says.
I don't think it's anything to put stock into. I think it's something to agree with or disagree with. And I think he has at least this right about Bachmann: she is both quite sincere in her beliefs, and coldly strategic and calculating about how to express them.Your read on her may differ . . .
Right. She's a complete nutjob.
 
'Alex P Keaton said:
'Soonerman said:
Yes, lying bothers me. The problem is that if we only vote for people who have never lied, we won't have anyone to vote for.
Great logic. Let's accept the lies that allow politicians to personally profit...
I would rather not accept any lies. Please point me to that politician.
 
And our President said he visited 57 states. :shrug:
And nobody ever mentions that, right?Like I said before, this is no big deal. She's said plenty of things that are a thousand times worse. But if Obama had made the 57 states slip-up moments after announcing his candidacy, it would have been the lead story on Fox News for a month, and you know it. Hell, it happened three years ago and it's still brought up on an hourly basis on this board.

 
And our President said he visited 57 states. :shrug:
And nobody ever mentions that, right?Like I said before, this is no big deal. She's said plenty of things that are a thousand times worse. But if Obama had made the 57 states slip-up moments after announcing his candidacy, it would have been the lead story on Fox News for a month, and you know it. Hell, it happened three years ago and it's still brought up on an hourly basis on this board.
Well that incident did happen on the campaign trail so it was a pretty big deal. How about the slip up where President Obama talks about his muslim faith and the reporter had to poke him to say christian faith back in '08? I don't recall that being a huge deal. I find it ridiculous that we have to pick at every single thing someone says when they spend most of their day in front of a camera. Guess what? everyone is gonna make them selves look foolish and our past two presidents have youtube to thank for having it readily available.
 
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Well that incident did happen on the campaign trail so it was a pretty big deal. How about the slip up where President Obama talks about his muslim faith and the reporter had to poke him to say christian faith back in '08? I don't recall that being a huge deal. I find it ridiculous that we have to pick at every single thing someone says when they spend most of their day in front of a camera. Guess what? everyone is gonna make them selves look foolish and our past two presidents have youtube to thank for having it readily available.
I said the exact same thing last thread, except for finding it ridiculous. It's the world we live in now. I just posted it because it was kind of funny and a pretty bad way to kick things off. I don't really care that she doesn't know about some town's history. I'm far more concerned about what she says about evolution and homosexuality and the fact that she seems to spit out multiple inaccuracies or flat out lies on a daily basis in the name of unfairly trashing the president. Here's the haul from the day of her announcement.
 
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Well that incident did happen on the campaign trail so it was a pretty big deal. How about the slip up where President Obama talks about his muslim faith and the reporter had to poke him to say christian faith back in '08? I don't recall that being a huge deal. I find it ridiculous that we have to pick at every single thing someone says when they spend most of their day in front of a camera. Guess what? everyone is gonna make them selves look foolish and our past two presidents have youtube to thank for having it readily available.
I said the exact same thing last thread, except for finding it ridiculous. It's the world we live in now. I just posted it because it was kind of funny and a pretty bad way to kick things off. I don't really care that she doesn't know about some town's history. I'm far more concerned about what she says about evolution and homosexuality and the fact that she seems to spit out multiple inaccuracies or flat out lies on a daily basis in the name of unfairly trashing the president. Here's the haul from the day of her announcement.
You don't think that happens all the time with our current government?
 
Well that incident did happen on the campaign trail so it was a pretty big deal. How about the slip up where President Obama talks about his muslim faith and the reporter had to poke him to say christian faith back in '08? I don't recall that being a huge deal. I find it ridiculous that we have to pick at every single thing someone says when they spend most of their day in front of a camera. Guess what? everyone is gonna make them selves look foolish and our past two presidents have youtube to thank for having it readily available.
I said the exact same thing last thread, except for finding it ridiculous. It's the world we live in now. I just posted it because it was kind of funny and a pretty bad way to kick things off. I don't really care that she doesn't know about some town's history. I'm far more concerned about what she says about evolution and homosexuality and the fact that she seems to spit out multiple inaccuracies or flat out lies on a daily basis in the name of unfairly trashing the president. Here's the haul from the day of her announcement.
You don't think that happens all the time with our current government?
Think what happens?
 
Well that incident did happen on the campaign trail so it was a pretty big deal. How about the slip up where President Obama talks about his muslim faith and the reporter had to poke him to say christian faith back in '08? I don't recall that being a huge deal. I find it ridiculous that we have to pick at every single thing someone says when they spend most of their day in front of a camera. Guess what? everyone is gonna make them selves look foolish and our past two presidents have youtube to thank for having it readily available.
I said the exact same thing last thread, except for finding it ridiculous. It's the world we live in now. I just posted it because it was kind of funny and a pretty bad way to kick things off. I don't really care that she doesn't know about some town's history. I'm far more concerned about what she says about evolution and homosexuality and the fact that she seems to spit out multiple inaccuracies or flat out lies on a daily basis in the name of unfairly trashing the president. Here's the haul from the day of her announcement.
You don't think that happens all the time with our current government?
Think what happens?
 
Well that incident did happen on the campaign trail so it was a pretty big deal. How about the slip up where President Obama talks about his muslim faith and the reporter had to poke him to say christian faith back in '08? I don't recall that being a huge deal. I find it ridiculous that we have to pick at every single thing someone says when they spend most of their day in front of a camera. Guess what? everyone is gonna make them selves look foolish and our past two presidents have youtube to thank for having it readily available.
I said the exact same thing last thread, except for finding it ridiculous. It's the world we live in now. I just posted it because it was kind of funny and a pretty bad way to kick things off. I don't really care that she doesn't know about some town's history. I'm far more concerned about what she says about evolution and homosexuality and the fact that she seems to spit out multiple inaccuracies or flat out lies on a daily basis in the name of unfairly trashing the president. Here's the haul from the day of her announcement.
Only 2 1/2 Pinocchios? She's a better liar than that. I have faith she'll rebound and pull a few 3's and 4's in coming months.
 
Well that incident did happen on the campaign trail so it was a pretty big deal. How about the slip up where President Obama talks about his muslim faith and the reporter had to poke him to say christian faith back in '08? I don't recall that being a huge deal. I find it ridiculous that we have to pick at every single thing someone says when they spend most of their day in front of a camera. Guess what? everyone is gonna make them selves look foolish and our past two presidents have youtube to thank for having it readily available.
I said the exact same thing last thread, except for finding it ridiculous. It's the world we live in now. I just posted it because it was kind of funny and a pretty bad way to kick things off. I don't really care that she doesn't know about some town's history. I'm far more concerned about what she says about evolution and homosexuality and the fact that she seems to spit out multiple inaccuracies or flat out lies on a daily basis in the name of unfairly trashing the president. Here's the haul from the day of her announcement.
You don't think that happens all the time with our current government?
Oh come on. She is a lying machine. She makes other politicians look like pikers. She is keeping dozens of fact checkers employed though so I guess there is a silver lining.
 
Well that incident did happen on the campaign trail so it was a pretty big deal. How about the slip up where President Obama talks about his muslim faith and the reporter had to poke him to say christian faith back in '08? I don't recall that being a huge deal. I find it ridiculous that we have to pick at every single thing someone says when they spend most of their day in front of a camera. Guess what? everyone is gonna make them selves look foolish and our past two presidents have youtube to thank for having it readily available.
I said the exact same thing last thread, except for finding it ridiculous. It's the world we live in now. I just posted it because it was kind of funny and a pretty bad way to kick things off. I don't really care that she doesn't know about some town's history. I'm far more concerned about what she says about evolution and homosexuality and the fact that she seems to spit out multiple inaccuracies or flat out lies on a daily basis in the name of unfairly trashing the president. Here's the haul from the day of her announcement.
You don't think that happens all the time with our current government?
Oh come on. She is a lying machine. She makes other politicians look like pikers. She is keeping dozens of fact checkers employed though so I guess there is a silver lining.
I tend to believe the government/politicians are nothing but lying machines. But hey, thats just me. :shrug:
 
Well that incident did happen on the campaign trail so it was a pretty big deal. How about the slip up where President Obama talks about his muslim faith and the reporter had to poke him to say christian faith back in '08? I don't recall that being a huge deal. I find it ridiculous that we have to pick at every single thing someone says when they spend most of their day in front of a camera. Guess what? everyone is gonna make them selves look foolish and our past two presidents have youtube to thank for having it readily available.
I said the exact same thing last thread, except for finding it ridiculous. It's the world we live in now. I just posted it because it was kind of funny and a pretty bad way to kick things off. I don't really care that she doesn't know about some town's history. I'm far more concerned about what she says about evolution and homosexuality and the fact that she seems to spit out multiple inaccuracies or flat out lies on a daily basis in the name of unfairly trashing the president. Here's the haul from the day of her announcement.
You don't think that happens all the time with our current government?
Think what happens?
Not at the rate Bachmann does it, or even close. I've followed politics for decades and I've never seen anyone on either side of the aisle who plays as fast and loose with the truth as she does, with no sense of accountability at all. She's a #### fountain. It's really quite remarkable. I mean, that link featured quotes from only two days' worth of Bachmann's public speaking. Most politicians require a full campaign season to accumulate that much BS. It's one thing to inject massive amounts of spin and couch things in terms that are favorable to your position. But she is unique- she seems to basically invent her own world of fictions that she shares freely and feels no accountability for doing so.

Here's another tally on just one issue- the health care legislation.

Here's my personal favorite, a claim about Obama and offshore drilling permits so false that I can't determine what reality her claim was based on before she distorted it. And it goes on and on and on.

 
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Her latest flub is insisting the founders fought slavery, they didn't. And she added to it by insisting the John Quincy Adams was a founding father, he wasn't. His father was but he wasn't. And of course just like Palin she's right and history is wrong. Again. Darn history.

 
Nice yahoo article

FACT CHECK: Bachmann bomblets raising eyebrows

WASHINGTON (AP) — Michele Bachmann's claim that she has "never gotten a penny" from a family farm that's been subsidized by the government is at odds with her financial disclosure statements. They show tens of thousands in personal income from the operation.

And, on a less substantive note, she flubbed her hometown history when declaring "John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa," and "that's the kind of spirit that I have, too," in running for president.

The actor was born nearly 150 miles away. It was the serial killer John Wayne Gacy Jr. who lived, for a time, in Waterloo.

Those were among the latest examples of how the Minnesota congresswoman has become one to watch — for inaccuracies as well as rising support — in the Republican presidential race.

Bachmann's wildly off-base assertion last month that a NATO airstrike might have killed as many as 30,000 Libyan civilians, her misrepresentations of the health care law, misfires on other aspects of President Barack Obama's record and historical inaccuracies have saddled her with a reputation for uttering populist jibes that don't hold up.

She announced her candidacy Monday in Iowa with a speech typical for someone joining the campaign. It laid out the broad themes of her candidacy and mostly avoided the Bachmann bomblets that have grabbed attention — and often fizzled under scrutiny — in the long lead-up.

The more the political season heats up, the more that exaggerations and sound-bite oversimplifications emanate from the Republicans going after Obama — and from the Democrats playing defense. Still, Bachmann's record on this score is distinct.

Examining 24 of her statements, Politifact.com, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact-checking service of the St. Petersburg (Fla.) Times, found just one to be fully true and 17 to be false (seven of them "pants on fire" false). No other Republican candidate whose statements have been vigorously vetted matched that record of inaccuracy.

A look at some of her recent statements and how they compare with the facts:

BACHMANN: "The farm is my father-in-law's farm. It's not my husband and my farm. It's my father-in-law's farm. And my husband and I have never gotten a penny of money from the farm." — On "Fox News Sunday."

THE FACTS: In personal financial disclosure reports required annually from members of Congress, Bachmann reported that she holds an interest in a family farm in Independence, Wis., with her share worth between $100,000 and $250,000.

The farm, which was owned by her father-in-law, produced income for Bachmann of at least $32,500 and as much as $105,000 from 2006 through 2009, according to the reports she filed for that period. The farm also received federal crop and disaster subsidies, according to a database maintained by the Environmental Working Group. From 1995 through 2010, the farm got $259,332 in federal payments.

When asked about the subsidies and her income from the farm late last year, a spokesman for Bachmann said only that she wasn't involved in decisions about the running of the farm.

Bachmann told The Associated Press on Monday that her husband became a trustee of the farm because his father had dementia before he died two years ago, and "oversees the legal entity."

"Everything we do with those forms is in an abundance of caution," she said, insisting she and her husband receive no farm income despite the forms reporting it.

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BACHMANN: "Well what I want them to know is, just like John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa, that's the kind of spirit that I have, too." — Speaking to Fox News on Sunday.

Wayne was born in Winterset, Iowa, nearly three hours away, and moved to California in his childhood. John Wayne Gacy, convicted of killing 33 men and boys, was born in Chicago, moved to Waterloo to work in his father-in-law's chicken restaurants and first ran afoul of the law there, sentenced to 10 years for sodomy. He began his killing spree after his release, and his return to Illinois.

Bachmann told CNN on Tuesday her comments "were just misspeaking" and that her main intent was to show she identified with Wayne's patriotism.

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BACHMANN: "Overnight we are hearing that potentially 10 to 30,000 people could have been killed in the strike." — Criticizing Obama in May for the "foolish" U.S. intervention in Libya, and citing what she said were reports of a civilian death toll from a NATO strike as high as 30,000.

THE FACTS: The U.S. ambassador to Libya, Gene Cretz, said in late April that U.S. officials have seen reports that 10,000 to 30,000 people may have died in Moammar Gadhafi's crackdown on protesters and the fighting between rebels and pro-government forces, but it is hard to know if that is true. He was speaking about all casualties of the conflict; no one has attributed such a death toll to NATO bombing alone, much less to a single strike.

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BACHMANN: "It's ironic and sad that the president released all of the oil from the strategic oil reserve. ... There's only a limited amount of oil that we have in the strategic oil reserve. It's there for emergencies." — On CBS' "Face the Nation" on Sunday.

THE FACTS: Obama did not empty all the oil from the strategic reserve, as Bachmann said. He approved the release of 30 million barrels, about 4 percent of the 727 million barrels stored in salt caverns along the Texas and Louisiana coasts. It's true that the U.S. normally taps the reserve for more dire emergencies than exist today, and that exposes Obama to criticism that he acted for political gain. But the reserve has never been fuller; it held 707 million barrels when last tapped, after 2008 hurricanes.

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BACHMANN: "One. That's the number of new drilling permits under the Obama administration since they came into office." — Comment to a conservative conference in Iowa in March.

THE FACTS: The Obama administration issued more than 200 new drilling permits before the Gulf oil spill alone. Over the past year, since new safety standards were imposed, the administration has issued more than 60 shallow-water drilling permits. Since the deep water moratorium was lifted in October, nine new wells have been approved.

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Associated Press writers Brian Bakst in Waterloo, Iowa, and Dina Cappiello in Washington contributed to this report.
 
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'Maurile Tremblay said:
Matt Taibbi on Michelle Bachmann:

Bachmann is a religious zealot whose brain is a raging electrical storm of divine visions and paranoid delusions. She believes that the Chinese are plotting to replace the dollar bill, that light bulbs are killing our dogs and cats, and that God personally chose her to become both an IRS attorney who would spend years hounding taxpayers and a raging anti-tax Tea Party crusader against big government. She kicked off her unofficial presidential campaign in New Hampshire, by mistakenly declaring it the birthplace of the American Revolution. "It's your state that fired the shot that was heard around the world!" she gushed. "You are the state of Lexington and Concord, you started the battle for liberty right here in your backyard."

...

In modern American politics, being the right kind of ignorant and entertainingly crazy is like having a big right hand in boxing; you've always got a puncher's chance. And Bachmann is exactly the right kind of completely bat#### crazy. Not medically crazy, not talking-to-herself-on-the-subway crazy, but grandiose crazy, late-stage Kim Jong-Il crazy -- crazy in the sense that she's living completely inside her own mind, frenetically pacing the hallways of a vast sand castle she's built in there, unable to meaningfully communicate with the human beings on the other side of the moat, who are all presumed to be enemies.

Bachmann's story, to hear her tell it, is about a suburban homemaker who is chosen by God to become a politician who will restore faith and family values to public life and do battle with secular humanism. But by the time you've finished reviewing her record of lies and embellishments and contradictions, you'll have no idea if she actually believes in her own divine inspiration, or whether it's a big con job. Or maybe both are true -- in which case this hard-charging challenger for the GOP nomination is a rare breed of political psychopath, equal parts crazed Divine Wind kamikaze-for-Jesus and calculating, six-faced Machiavellian prevaricator. Whatever she is, she's no joke.
:goodposting:
 
Her latest flub is insisting the founders fought slavery, they didn't. And she added to it by insisting the John Quincy Adams was a founding father, he wasn't. His father was but he wasn't. And of course just like Palin she's right and history is wrong. Again. Darn history.
Do some research on the writings of Franklin, Hamilton, Jefferson, Gadsden and Mather. Then look into the debates that had A1S9 written into the constitution.
 
Her latest flub is insisting the founders fought slavery, they didn't. And she added to it by insisting the John Quincy Adams was a founding father, he wasn't. His father was but he wasn't. And of course just like Palin she's right and history is wrong. Again. Darn history.
Do some research on the writings of Franklin, Hamilton, Jefferson, Gadsden and Mather. Then look into the debates that had A1S9 written into the constitution.
I'm fighting hard to quit drinking even though my fridge is full of beer.
 
'Maurile Tremblay said:
Matt Taibbi on Michelle Bachmann:

Bachmann is a religious zealot whose brain is a raging electrical storm of divine visions and paranoid delusions. She believes that the Chinese are plotting to replace the dollar bill, that light bulbs are killing our dogs and cats, and that God personally chose her to become both an IRS attorney who would spend years hounding taxpayers and a raging anti-tax Tea Party crusader against big government. She kicked off her unofficial presidential campaign in New Hampshire, by mistakenly declaring it the birthplace of the American Revolution. "It's your state that fired the shot that was heard around the world!" she gushed. "You are the state of Lexington and Concord, you started the battle for liberty right here in your backyard."

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In modern American politics, being the right kind of ignorant and entertainingly crazy is like having a big right hand in boxing; you've always got a puncher's chance. And Bachmann is exactly the right kind of completely bat#### crazy. Not medically crazy, not talking-to-herself-on-the-subway crazy, but grandiose crazy, late-stage Kim Jong-Il crazy -- crazy in the sense that she's living completely inside her own mind, frenetically pacing the hallways of a vast sand castle she's built in there, unable to meaningfully communicate with the human beings on the other side of the moat, who are all presumed to be enemies.

Bachmann's story, to hear her tell it, is about a suburban homemaker who is chosen by God to become a politician who will restore faith and family values to public life and do battle with secular humanism. But by the time you've finished reviewing her record of lies and embellishments and contradictions, you'll have no idea if she actually believes in her own divine inspiration, or whether it's a big con job. Or maybe both are true -- in which case this hard-charging challenger for the GOP nomination is a rare breed of political psychopath, equal parts crazed Divine Wind kamikaze-for-Jesus and calculating, six-faced Machiavellian prevaricator. Whatever she is, she's no joke.
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'Maurile Tremblay said:
Matt Taibbi on Michelle Bachmann:

Bachmann is a religious zealot whose brain is a raging electrical storm of divine visions and paranoid delusions. She believes that the Chinese are plotting to replace the dollar bill, that light bulbs are killing our dogs and cats, and that God personally chose her to become both an IRS attorney who would spend years hounding taxpayers and a raging anti-tax Tea Party crusader against big government. She kicked off her unofficial presidential campaign in New Hampshire, by mistakenly declaring it the birthplace of the American Revolution. "It's your state that fired the shot that was heard around the world!" she gushed. "You are the state of Lexington and Concord, you started the battle for liberty right here in your backyard."

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In modern American politics, being the right kind of ignorant and entertainingly crazy is like having a big right hand in boxing; you've always got a puncher's chance. And Bachmann is exactly the right kind of completely bat#### crazy. Not medically crazy, not talking-to-herself-on-the-subway crazy, but grandiose crazy, late-stage Kim Jong-Il crazy -- crazy in the sense that she's living completely inside her own mind, frenetically pacing the hallways of a vast sand castle she's built in there, unable to meaningfully communicate with the human beings on the other side of the moat, who are all presumed to be enemies.

Bachmann's story, to hear her tell it, is about a suburban homemaker who is chosen by God to become a politician who will restore faith and family values to public life and do battle with secular humanism. But by the time you've finished reviewing her record of lies and embellishments and contradictions, you'll have no idea if she actually believes in her own divine inspiration, or whether it's a big con job. Or maybe both are true -- in which case this hard-charging challenger for the GOP nomination is a rare breed of political psychopath, equal parts crazed Divine Wind kamikaze-for-Jesus and calculating, six-faced Machiavellian prevaricator. Whatever she is, she's no joke.
Taibbi's article on Bachmann was plagiarism at worst; laziness at best:The Atlantic

 
Her latest flub is insisting the founders fought slavery, they didn't. And she added to it by insisting the John Quincy Adams was a founding father, he wasn't. His father was but he wasn't. And of course just like Palin she's right and history is wrong. Again. Darn history.
Do some research on the writings of Franklin, Hamilton, Jefferson, Gadsden and Mather. Then look into the debates that had A1S9 written into the constitution.
Franklin the slave owner? Jefferson the slave owner? Maybe we should look to Washington. Oh yeah he had teeth pulled from slaves mouths and implanted in his as he was nearly toothless. Now Franklin eventually came around and released his slaves as did Washington in his will, better late then never. And Franklin went on to found the Pennsylvania Anti-Slavery Society. Nice change for him and I applaud it. But to claim that the founders fought slavery when they were pretty much all slave owners and they signed off on a document that dehumanized a race for profit is ridiculous.
 
Her latest flub is insisting the founders fought slavery, they didn't. And she added to it by insisting the John Quincy Adams was a founding father, he wasn't. His father was but he wasn't. And of course just like Palin she's right and history is wrong. Again. Darn history.
Do some research on the writings of Franklin, Hamilton, Jefferson, Gadsden and Mather. Then look into the debates that had A1S9 written into the constitution.
Franklin the slave owner? Jefferson the slave owner? Maybe we should look to Washington. Oh yeah he had teeth pulled from slaves mouths and implanted in his as he was nearly toothless. Now Franklin eventually came around and released his slaves as did Washington in his will, better late then never. And Franklin went on to found the Pennsylvania Anti-Slavery Society. Nice change for him and I applaud it. But to claim that the founders fought slavery when they were pretty much all slave owners and they signed off on a document that dehumanized a race for profit is ridiculous.
Then who were the debates over slavery with since there were two sides?
 
Her latest flub is insisting the founders fought slavery, they didn't. And she added to it by insisting the John Quincy Adams was a founding father, he wasn't. His father was but he wasn't. And of course just like Palin she's right and history is wrong. Again. Darn history.
Do some research on the writings of Franklin, Hamilton, Jefferson, Gadsden and Mather. Then look into the debates that had A1S9 written into the constitution.
Franklin the slave owner? Jefferson the slave owner? Maybe we should look to Washington. Oh yeah he had teeth pulled from slaves mouths and implanted in his as he was nearly toothless. Now Franklin eventually came around and released his slaves as did Washington in his will, better late then never. And Franklin went on to found the Pennsylvania Anti-Slavery Society. Nice change for him and I applaud it. But to claim that the founders fought slavery when they were pretty much all slave owners and they signed off on a document that dehumanized a race for profit is ridiculous.
Then who were the debates over slavery with since there were two sides?
The woman offers up what amounts to a metric ton of #### on what seems to be a daily basis, and you guys are essentially arguing about whether one particular handful of #### is actually more corn than feces.
 
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Her latest flub is insisting the founders fought slavery, they didn't. And she added to it by insisting the John Quincy Adams was a founding father, he wasn't. His father was but he wasn't. And of course just like Palin she's right and history is wrong. Again. Darn history.
Do some research on the writings of Franklin, Hamilton, Jefferson, Gadsden and Mather. Then look into the debates that had A1S9 written into the constitution.
Franklin the slave owner? Jefferson the slave owner? Maybe we should look to Washington. Oh yeah he had teeth pulled from slaves mouths and implanted in his as he was nearly toothless. Now Franklin eventually came around and released his slaves as did Washington in his will, better late then never. And Franklin went on to found the Pennsylvania Anti-Slavery Society. Nice change for him and I applaud it. But to claim that the founders fought slavery when they were pretty much all slave owners and they signed off on a document that dehumanized a race for profit is ridiculous.
Then who were the debates over slavery with since there were two sides?
The woman offers up what amounts to a metric ton of #### on what seems to be a daily basis, and you guys are essentially arguing about whether one particular handful of #### is actually more corn than feces.
:lmao: I have no problem with bashing her when she is wrong. But to say that NONE of the founding fathers fought against slavery is not accurate.
 
This is a big deal? She claimed John Wayne was from the place that his parents met and lived for a time, but it wasn't where he was born.Wow, nice nitpicking.
How about outright lying? That do anything for you?
Bachmann's had her share of government aid

Reporting from Washington—

Rep. Michele Bachmann has been propelled into the 2012 presidential contest in part by her insistent calls to reduce federal spending, a pitch in tune with the big-government antipathy gripping many conservatives.

But the Minnesota Republican and her family have benefited personally from government aid, an examination of her record and finances shows. A counseling clinic run by her husband has received nearly $30,000 from the state of Minnesota in the last five years, money that in part came from the federal government. A family farm in Wisconsin, in which the congresswoman is a partner, received nearly $260,000 in federal farm subsidies.

Yet despite her broadsides against "socialized medicine," Bachmann's husband, Marcus, applied for public funds for his counseling clinic, Bachmann & Associates. Since 2006, he has received nearly $30,000, according to Minnesota state records. The bulk of the money — $24,041 — came in the form of grants from the state Department of Human Services to train staff how to deal with clients suffering from chemical dependency and mental illness. That program was financed in part by the federal government.

Another of Bachmann's assets — a family farm owned by her late father-in-law, Paul Bachmann — received nearly $260,000 in federal money between 1995 and 2008, largely from corn and dairy subsidies, according to U.S. Department of Agriculture data compiled by the Environmental Working Group, a nonprofit research organization that scrutinizes such subsidies. Paul Bachmann died in May 2009, but the congresswoman retains a partnership in the farm.

Bachmann said in December that the subsidies went to her in-laws and she never received "one penny" from the farm, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune. However, in financial disclosure forms, she reported receiving between $32,503 and $105,000 in income from the farm, at minimum, between 2006 and 2009.

Publicly, Bachmann has objected strongly to federal farm payments.

LA Times
She lied right to Chris Wallace's face. And now she won't accept his apology?
I would like you to place the same standard on Obama as you do Bachman.
.1. He stated he talked to the medal of honer winner - he is dead. So Obama lied.

2. He did not do any fact checking. I presume Obama's staff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than Bachman's. Don't you think they could check out that the medal of honor winner was posthumously presented?

 
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Her latest flub is insisting the founders fought slavery, they didn't. And she added to it by insisting the John Quincy Adams was a founding father, he wasn't. His father was but he wasn't. And of course just like Palin she's right and history is wrong. Again. Darn history.
Do some research on the writings of Franklin, Hamilton, Jefferson, Gadsden and Mather. Then look into the debates that had A1S9 written into the constitution.
Franklin the slave owner? Jefferson the slave owner? Maybe we should look to Washington. Oh yeah he had teeth pulled from slaves mouths and implanted in his as he was nearly toothless. Now Franklin eventually came around and released his slaves as did Washington in his will, better late then never. And Franklin went on to found the Pennsylvania Anti-Slavery Society. Nice change for him and I applaud it. But to claim that the founders fought slavery when they were pretty much all slave owners and they signed off on a document that dehumanized a race for profit is ridiculous.
You're wrong here NCC. Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, and others all tried to get slavery banned right from the beginning of the Republic. Jefferson's ideals were always beautiful, even though he was a wreck when it came to living up to those ideals. A more accurate statement from Bachmann would have been that "some" or even "several" Founding Fathers fought the institution of slavery.

 
I don't love Mitt Romney (who does besides his wife? And maybe not her either) but I'm rapidly coming to the conclusion that he is the only hope for moderates who don't really want to have to vote for Obama. You conservatives who keep accusing me of being in the liberal camp- you've been wrong all along, but you're going to be right in the end perhaps, because I WILL end up voting for Obama if you put up a Tea Party candidate like Michelle. And while it doesn't matter who timschochet votes for, there are millions of people like me on this.
What he said.
 
Her latest flub is insisting the founders fought slavery, they didn't. And she added to it by insisting the John Quincy Adams was a founding father, he wasn't. His father was but he wasn't. And of course just like Palin she's right and history is wrong. Again. Darn history.
Do some research on the writings of Franklin, Hamilton, Jefferson, Gadsden and Mather. Then look into the debates that had A1S9 written into the constitution.
Franklin the slave owner? Jefferson the slave owner? Maybe we should look to Washington. Oh yeah he had teeth pulled from slaves mouths and implanted in his as he was nearly toothless. Now Franklin eventually came around and released his slaves as did Washington in his will, better late then never. And Franklin went on to found the Pennsylvania Anti-Slavery Society. Nice change for him and I applaud it. But to claim that the founders fought slavery when they were pretty much all slave owners and they signed off on a document that dehumanized a race for profit is ridiculous.
You're wrong here NCC. Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, and others all tried to get slavery banned right from the beginning of the Republic. Jefferson's ideals were always beautiful, even though he was a wreck when it came to living up to those ideals. A more accurate statement from Bachmann would have been that "some" or even "several" Founding Fathers fought the institution of slavery.
I didn't see that Bachmann defended her statement by insisting she was referring solely to John Quincy Adams, because even though he was only 9 years old when the Declaration was signed, he "worked as his father's secretary." This, apparently, means that the Founding Fathers fought slavery. Oof.

 
I really don't care about Bachmann's inaccuracies, except to the extent that many of them represent evangelical conservative teaching over the last several years. These people really don't believe in evolution, they don't believe in global warming, they think homosexuality is evil, they believe the government and media is lying to them.

Master of Orion is a poster in this forum who is probably the most representative of Michele Bachmann's essential viewpoints. If you find Master of Orion's posts to be credible and agreeable, then you probably should cast your vote for Bachmann.

 
Her latest flub is insisting the founders fought slavery, they didn't. And she added to it by insisting the John Quincy Adams was a founding father, he wasn't. His father was but he wasn't. And of course just like Palin she's right and history is wrong. Again. Darn history.
Do some research on the writings of Franklin, Hamilton, Jefferson, Gadsden and Mather. Then look into the debates that had A1S9 written into the constitution.
Franklin the slave owner? Jefferson the slave owner? Maybe we should look to Washington. Oh yeah he had teeth pulled from slaves mouths and implanted in his as he was nearly toothless. Now Franklin eventually came around and released his slaves as did Washington in his will, better late then never. And Franklin went on to found the Pennsylvania Anti-Slavery Society. Nice change for him and I applaud it. But to claim that the founders fought slavery when they were pretty much all slave owners and they signed off on a document that dehumanized a race for profit is ridiculous.
You're wrong here NCC. Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, and others all tried to get slavery banned right from the beginning of the Republic. Jefferson's ideals were always beautiful, even though he was a wreck when it came to living up to those ideals. A more accurate statement from Bachmann would have been that "some" or even "several" Founding Fathers fought the institution of slavery.
I didn't see that Bachmann defended her statement by insisting she was referring solely to John Quincy Adams, because even though he was only 9 years old when the Declaration was signed, he "worked as his father's secretary." This, apparently, means that the Founding Fathers fought slavery. Oof.
Wow.She stuck by bad facts. Avoiding answering questions. And who says "good morning" other than a greeting?

 
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And our President said he visited 57 states. :shrug:
It's one thing to misspeak. It's another to have a prepared speech or a canned theme thought out ahead of time that is completely wrong. (Lexington, NH)
You don't think President Obama did any of this with his health care speeches?
What are you referring to?
 
I'd like to think someone like this would get roasted in the primaries, but she's a more effective candidate than Huckabee was and he did very well. So it scares me that she might actually come out of this thing as the nominee.

I'd love to see her as President, where I think she'd be a fine leader. But she has no chance of winning against Obama in the general. The only arrows Obama has in his quiver are the demonization of his opponents, and Bachmann's got a lot of targets Obama can take aim at.

The goal in 2012 is the ouster of Obama. The very #1 criteria of the candidate the Republicans put up against him must be "can that person win?". I don't think she can.

 
Conversation with my Tea Party, Bachmann-loving brother last night:

ME: Have you read about these gaffes by Bachmann?

HIM: Sure. I don't care.

ME: Did you read where she said The Lion King was a form of homosexual indoctrination?

HIM: Sure. I don't care.

ME: Have you read where most experts believe that if she were nominated she would have no chance of winning the general election?

HIM: I don't believe that, but even if it were true, I don't care about that either. Our goal is to reshape the Republican party; that comes first. The rest of the nation comes later.

 

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