Mid-Tier trades (1 Viewer)

[Macdaddy_2004]

Playing in fantasy football for a while now I've always noticed how difficult it is to complete a deal. Kyle Orton is the #2 FF QB in my league and I shopped him around (in a 2QB league) and there is absolutely no interest. An owner with Frank Gore, LT2, Jamaal Charles and Darren McFadden was not even interested despite his depth at RB and a non clearly defined QB2.

Which got me thinking that sometimes people are just reluctant to trade when there are any big name players on their side, depite the fact they may be getting a great quality player in return. Having not being able to deal the #2QB in FF i have to now resort to either trading him for less than he is worth or improving other spots on my team (ie WR3, FLEX).

What are some mid-tier type of deals you are completing at this time of season. I'm talking about deals like Reggie Bush for Fred Jackson or Jeremy Maclin for Mike Williams.

You know players that are in that flex, WR3 kinda category but who could potentially perform like a WR2 or RB2.

 

[Sir Psycho]

In a keeper/rookie league, yesterday I just traded JStew and a 7th for LT2.

The owner of LT2 was in last place so I figure that he would give up.

 

[footballnerd]

As an LT owner, trying to work out a deal involving Ricky Williams for Greene and some mid level draft picks exchange.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

As an LT owner, trying to work out a deal involving Ricky Williams for Greene and some mid level draft picks exchange.

Someone just dropped Ricky Williams to my WW - we are a redraft league.

 

[TGinKC]

Jamal Charles went for J Stewart and a 1st round pick...albeit probably late 1st round in a keep 10, 16 teamer

 

[HustleBlood]

i feel that most people can not comprehend trades so they just do not do them for fear of getting a sawdust handjob

if i want something i make it an easy yes trade, if not you are most likely

but i also know ahead of time in which leagues which people are more likely to make trades and have a understanding of how

or who they value on my team as someone they would be interested in.

just my perspective

 

[solorca]

I haven't had much luck with the bigger trades this year, but I have made a lot of mid/low level trades this year. Since you asked, here are some that I've completed...

I received Kareem Huggins for Corell Buckhalter (neither side really won anything in this one. Both players were dropped the next week)

I received Johnny Knox for Marion Barber

I received Beanie Wells for Johnny Knox

I received Brandon Jackson for Felix Jones

I received Greg Jennings for Brandon Jackson

I received Pierre Thomas for Michael Bush (this was last week. I'm pretty good at RB, so I can afford to sit on Pierre for a while)

 

[gandalas]

To the OP:

For the Orton trades at least, he simply does not have that much value beyond this season, and even has had a rough stretch the last couple of games (other than the London Outburst). I don't know if I would trade any of those 4 RBs for him right now - maybe LT, but that is about it.

 

[ppierce]

Playing in fantasy football for a while now I've always noticed how difficult it is to complete a deal. Kyle Orton is the #2 FF QB in my league and I shopped him around (in a 2QB league) and there is absolutely no interest. An owner with Frank Gore, LT2, Jamaal Charles and Darren McFadden was not even interested despite his depth at RB and a non clearly defined QB2.Which got me thinking that sometimes people are just reluctant to trade when there are any big name players on their side, depite the fact they may be getting a great quality player in return. Having not being able to deal the #2QB in FF i have to now resort to either trading him for less than he is worth or improving other spots on my team (ie WR3, FLEX).What are some mid-tier type of deals you are completing at this time of season. I'm talking about deals like Reggie Bush for Fred Jackson or Jeremy Maclin for Mike Williams.You know players that are in that flex, WR3 kinda category but who could potentially perform like a WR2 or RB2.

fwiw, i wouldn't trade you Gore, LT2, Charles or McFadden for Orton no matter how bad my qb's were. Orton's arrow is pointing down as it usually does mid season and he is in danger of losing reps to Tebow. Overall rankings mean nothing. Its perceived forward projections that matter and Orton's suck. There are a lot of players still hanging around top 20 land who benefited from some early season success but suck now. See Jhavid Best.

 

[bobfreakinvilla]

I am currently mulling over a trade that would have me send:

Ahmad Bradshaw

Steve Johnson

NE D/ST

Aaron Hernandez

for

Steven Jackson

Jason Witten

Steelers D/ST

I would pull the trigger, but Steven Jackson and he alergic reaction to the endzone scare me. If I could swap Bradshaw for Blount, I would pull the trigger in a heartbeat, but the other owner is intent on having it be Bradshaw or bust.

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

To the OP:For the Orton trades at least, he simply does not have that much value beyond this season, and even has had a rough stretch the last couple of games (other than the London Outburst). I don't know if I would trade any of those 4 RBs for him right now - maybe LT, but that is about it.

Oh I understand just saying super hard to complete deals even when you have good commodities.

 

[stubby]

Playing in fantasy football for a while now I've always noticed how difficult it is to complete a deal. Kyle Orton is the #2 FF QB in my league and I shopped him around (in a 2QB league) and there is absolutely no interest. An owner with Frank Gore, LT2, Jamaal Charles and Darren McFadden was not even interested despite his depth at RB and a non clearly defined QB2.Which got me thinking that sometimes people are just reluctant to trade when there are any big name players on their side, depite the fact they may be getting a great quality player in return. Having not being able to deal the #2QB in FF i have to now resort to either trading him for less than he is worth or improving other spots on my team (ie WR3, FLEX).What are some mid-tier type of deals you are completing at this time of season. I'm talking about deals like Reggie Bush for Fred Jackson or Jeremy Maclin for Mike Williams.You know players that are in that flex, WR3 kinda category but who could potentially perform like a WR2 or RB2.

fwiw, i wouldn't trade you Gore, LT2, Charles or McFadden for Orton no matter how bad my qb's were. Orton's arrow is pointing down as it usually does mid season and he is in danger of losing reps to Tebow. Overall rankings mean nothing. Its perceived forward projections that matter and Orton's suck. There are a lot of players still hanging around top 20 land who benefited from some early season success but suck now. See Jhavid Best.

Interesting that you mention Jhavid Best, as I don't think he will "suck" for the rest of the season. I just traded Bowe away for him straight up in my 0.5 PPR league. I think his potential alone is worth it.

 

[davearm]

Traded Torain (pre-hammy) for Boldin

Traded BJGE for Williams (SEA)

Traded Dez Bryant for Ronnie Brown (before week 3)

Traded Olsen and Murphy for Witten @ Dallas bye week

 

[Chaka]

Most people have a very difficult time getting over name recognition and draft position.

Kyle Orton's name recognition doesn't convey #2 QB in FF, it conveys the guy who looked very mediocre in Chicago and was a throw in to the Cutler trade. He was likely a lower round draft pick too and no one wants to trade a 9th round pick for a 2nd round pick.

Another guy who fits this mold is BenJarvus Green-Ellis. The guy is the #6RB in my league since he became the starter (week 3) without having a down game, and there is absolutely zero chance that his owner would get anything close to approximating that value for him because he was a free agent acquisition.

Brandon Lloyd too and he has been tearing it up all year. But he bounced around for seven years so no one believes it will last.

People would rather believe that MJD or CedBen ior Steven Jackson or Ray Rice is going to turn it around and start scoring two TDs/game. Or Pierre Thomas is going to come back from injury and start getting 20 touches instead of being part of a three or four headed time share situation.

People don't seem to understand that where someone was drafted doesn't mean #### in week eight.

There is a PhD thesis project in Psychology in here somewhere.

 

[TonyRockyHorror]

Put BMW and D. Bryant on the trading block for some running back help. Was offered (and accepted) R. Williams for BMW. Was happy, as I prefer to keep Bryant...PPR plus return yardage. R. Williams may be coming on a bit, and looks to have a nice playoff schedule, if still on his feet. :(

 

[abe froman]

Just moved Crabby for Beanie in a PPR redraft. Hurting at RB with Dewill as my RB2. Swapped Holmes for S.Smith-CAR a few weeks ago. Traded Hass & Stafford week 2 for Sanchez. Gave F.Jackson for Ricky pre Lynch to SEA.. made a lot of little trades but not able to pull any bigs.

 

[Zaphod]

Trading is definitely an art form. To give you an example - I have the Jets D in a redraft league (reached a bit higher than I usually do to get them). In that league I am finding it extremely difficult to bench them, even though in the format they are middle of the road at best. In another league, it is a dynasty format and the Jets have been on this team's roster for a few years now. Even though in this scoring format they are more highly valued, this owner is dumping them for a can of beans.

Anytime you have a finite amount of resources that are subjectively valued on criteria that don't always correlate to current production, you will find it difficult to reach a consensus.

 

[Pots]

i feel that most people can not comprehend trades so they just do not do them for fear of getting a sawdust handjob

 

[Pickle Rody]

Playing in fantasy football for a while now I've always noticed how difficult it is to complete a deal. Kyle Orton is the #2 FF QB in my league and I shopped him around (in a 2QB league) and there is absolutely no interest. An owner with Frank Gore, LT2, Jamaal Charles and Darren McFadden was not even interested despite his depth at RB and a non clearly defined QB2.Which got me thinking that sometimes people are just reluctant to trade when there are any big name players on their side, depite the fact they may be getting a great quality player in return. Having not being able to deal the #2QB in FF i have to now resort to either trading him for less than he is worth or improving other spots on my team (ie WR3, FLEX).What are some mid-tier type of deals you are completing at this time of season. I'm talking about deals like Reggie Bush for Fred Jackson or Jeremy Maclin for Mike Williams.You know players that are in that flex, WR3 kinda category but who could potentially perform like a WR2 or RB2.

fwiw, i wouldn't trade you Gore, LT2, Charles or McFadden for Orton no matter how bad my qb's were. Orton's arrow is pointing down as it usually does mid season and he is in danger of losing reps to Tebow. Overall rankings mean nothing. Its perceived forward projections that matter and Orton's suck. There are a lot of players still hanging around top 20 land who benefited from some early season success but suck now. See Jhavid Best.

Oh I understand just saying super hard to complete deals even when you have good commodities.

In this particular instance it might be that you value Orton higher than others in the league, but even still, it is always best to try to understand what others perceive his value to be. As ppierce noted, and as I agree, most folks perceive Orton's value dropping as the season moves ahead. When made an offer I am not interested so much in what the player has done to date as I am in what he can do for my team in the future. This doesn't mean I am not interested at all in a players production to date, it just means I place more weight on future performance projections. The art of fantasy football trading involves understanding your possible trade partner(s) and his/her player value perceptions.I generally don't have much luck shopping players due to these perceived value differences between other owners. I almost exclusively get deals done by going after a player I want and I am willing to pay what it takes. Sometimes this comes about because the player was put on the block, or I simply made a cold call. Sometimes you just have to overpay for something you want.One other thing I've noticed when negotiating trades - you've got to become a little bit of a salesman too. You have to convince your trade partner why the deal is good for him and having supporting data to utilize should help in the process.

 

[Polka King]

i feel that most people can not comprehend trades so they just do not do them for fear of getting a sawdust handjob

Not a pleasant feeling, eh?

 

[Domination]

I believe that trading is all in the eyes of the beholder, and couldn't agree more about name recognition meaning more than it should.

That being said, it has been a fairly busy year for me. (12 team, keep 6)

Pre Week 4-

-Traded away TO, Bowe, & Donald Brown for McFadden & Jacoby Jones

Pre Week 8-

- Traded away Lynch for Donald Brown, '10 2nd Rd Pick, & '11 3rd Rd Pick

- Traded away Spiller for Garcon & '10 3rd

 

[Sweet Love]

I haven't had much luck with the bigger trades this year, but I have made a lot of mid/low level trades this year. Since you asked, here are some that I've completed...I received Kareem Huggins for Corell Buckhalter (neither side really won anything in this one. Both players were dropped the next week)I received Johnny Knox for Marion Barber I received Beanie Wells for Johnny Knox I received Brandon Jackson for Felix JonesI received Greg Jennings for Brandon JacksonI received Pierre Thomas for Michael Bush (this was last week. I'm pretty good at RB, so I can afford to sit on Pierre for a while)

This is what people need to pay attention to:Solarca turned MBIII into Beanie Wells and Felix Jones into Greg Jennings. These are the types of moves that go under the radar, yet yield great results...turning RB3s into RB2s and WR2s...I am not a big fan of the "splash" trade, because if you come out ahead, others are hesitant to be the next in line to be fleeced. Do it subtly and no one will notice...

 

[Chaka]

In this particular instance it might be that you value Orton higher than others in the league, but even still, it is always best to try to understand what others perceive his value to be. As ppierce noted, and as I agree, most folks perceive Orton's value dropping as the season moves ahead. When made an offer I am not interested so much in what the player has done to date as I am in what he can do for my team in the future. This doesn't mean I am not interested at all in a players production to date, it just means I place more weight on future performance projections. The art of fantasy football trading involves understanding your possible trade partner(s) and his/her player value perceptions.

I generally don't have much luck shopping players due to these perceived value differences between other owners. I almost exclusively get deals done by going after a player I want and I am willing to pay what it takes. Sometimes this comes about because the player was put on the block, or I simply made a cold call. Sometimes you just have to overpay for something you want.

One other thing I've noticed when negotiating trades - you've got to become a little bit of a salesman too. You have to convince your trade partner why the deal is good for him and having supporting data to utilize should help in the process.

Much of what goes into making future performance predictions is based upon your perception of the players involved. It's not just schedule analysis it's the nagging voice in your head that says "Dude, it's Kyle 'Freaking' Orton there is no way he can keep up this pace." The fact that he has been doing it almost every single week for the whole season factors in less that the simple belief that because his name is Kyle Orton (or BJGE or Brandon Lloyd) there is no way he can continue to do it. Call it the 'Regression to the Mean Perception'. Right now this belief will convince most that MJD/Benson/Rice/Pierre/SJax etc. will all improve as the season wears on (and some will) and Orton/Lloyd/BJGE etc. will all taper off (and some will).

Not saying it's wrong to think that way just that regardless of what you call it, your perception of the parties involved is driving your decision.

 

[3nOut]

Traded Hernandez for Dez Bryant

Traded Tolbert for P Thomas

Although he's been playing well, I found it hard to play Tolbert fearing he couldn't keep up the pace so I kept wasting his point on my bench. I will find it much easier to play Thomas once/if he gets back.

 

[PRE42]

i feel that most people can not comprehend trades so they just do not do them for fear of getting a sawdust handjobif i want something i make it an easy yes trade, if not you are most likely but i also know ahead of time in which leagues which people are more likely to make trades and have a understanding of how or who they value on my team as someone they would be interested in.just my perspective

"fear of getting a sawdust handjob" has to be the funniest thing i have read on here. great job!!

 

[footballsavvy]

It's Orton, not "reluctance to trade big name players"

They guys you want from him are irreplaceable. Despite what the first half stats say, Orton is perceived to be easily replaceable. He's one of those guys you are just stuck with. Just ride him out and be happy you have him while he's doing good.

 

[footballsavvy]

Also, I would like to add this...

I always manage to get a big trade done when I pick up the phone and talk to the person. Shooting emails or text messages back and forth never gets anyway. It starts with an offer then quickly degrades into each person defending their players and criticizing the offered players.

What I do is call someone and let them know i'm interested in some kind of a trade and proceed to ask them how the value their own RBs and WRs, then ask them how they rank mine in terms of value. That typically initiates a conversation where at some point I can easily identify the players they are overly high on (on my team) and undervalue on their team. From there I build a trade out of those players iwth other things maybe thrown in to make it all work out.

Another thing I do is if they need a WR in a trade, for example, I'll pick two or three players that are similar in value and let them choose which one they want to inclide in the deal. This gets them off the defensive so they don't feel like you are forcing your garbage onto their roster.

Example:

Last night I called a guy in my dyansty showing interest in Moreno (im a beleiver that he's still a buy low in ppr). After talking to him, i quicly found out that he really did not value greg Jenning much (he owned Jennings) and that he seemed to value Johnathan Stewart more than me (he has DeAngelo and is convinced they will split and both be studs next year). I told him I would be willing to offer Stewart plus some other stuff in return for Moreno and Jennings. He indicated he would need a receiver in return, I told him that my top two were off limits but Crabtree, Britt and Vjax were on the table and he could pick one of them. He chose Crabtree. We finalized the deal by agreeing on an amount of league currency that would make him feel like it was a fair deal ($30) and we also included a draft pick and Golden Tate to offset some disagreements in value.

All in all it was a 30 minute process of negotiating value for value that would have had no chance of working via email or texting.

 

[SieteCinco]

Have made some good trades this year, some have paid off, some haven't but I'm still optimistic.

I received Aaron Rodgers for Joe Flacco/LT/Brandon Jackson (Owner lost Grant week 1 and had poor RB depth)

I received Pierre Garcon for Lee Evans (Early when Garcon was hurt)

I received Steve Smith CAR for Mike Tolbert (Owner had injury/bye issues at RB and wasn't happy with Smith on top of him being hurt)

I received Johnny Knox for Mike Wallace (PPR league, so this can go either way)

I received DeAngelo Williams/Brent Celek for Felix Jones/Owen Daniels (Can go either way)

And today, traded away Mike Williams (TB) for Randy Moss. Williams has been solid but I don't care if Moss just hangs out on the sideline as my WR3!

Like somebody above me said, its pulling off those under the radar trades that pay the biggest dividends (EX Tolbert for Steve Smith, Evans for Garcon)

Trading is one of the things I enjoy the most about fantasy football, and when other people see you pull off a big name trade that ends up being in your favor, they automatically think any trade you send them is screwing them over.

 

[footballnerd]

As an LT owner, trying to work out a deal involving Ricky Williams for Greene and some mid level draft picks exchange.

Someone just dropped Ricky Williams to my WW - we are a redraft league.

ya well the team that owns Greene is at the bottom and is trying to trade him for draft picks. Don't think anyone would bite except an LT owner. Well see....

 

[nlgb1]

In a keeper/rookie league, yesterday I just traded JStew and a 7th for LT2.The owner of LT2 was in last place so I figure that he would give up.

who the hell is LT2

 

[pidgeonmanza]

traded woodhead for mercedes lewis in a dynasty

 

[footballnerd]

In a keeper/rookie league, yesterday I just traded JStew and a 7th for LT2.The owner of LT2 was in last place so I figure that he would give up.

who the hell is LT2

Ladanian TomlinsonLawrence Taylor is LT1 I believe.

 

[Xue]

Traded BJax for Harvin week before Moss trade. Needed some WR depth. Was deep at RB. Never foresaw Moss-to-MIN. Lucked out on my part.

Traded Harvin for S. Smith CAR before Week 7. Was accepted before word that Moore would be back at QB. Never foresaw Moss release. Guess I sold high on Harvin?

 

[habsfan]

I generally don't have much luck shopping players due to these perceived value differences between other owners. I almost exclusively get deals done by going after a player I want and I am willing to pay what it takes. Sometimes this comes about because the player was put on the block, or I simply made a cold call. Sometimes you just have to overpay for something you want.

Definitely my philosophy in redraft at least and in particular where window of opportunity plays a significant role. If you feel strongly that the shelf life of what you're trading is going to drop off sharply (or the value of what you are acquiring is going to spike), you have to get it done.At the right time of the season and under the right conditions, owners who wouldn't trade all year if their life depended on it will suddenly hit "Accept" so fast it will make your head spin.

 

[GoRaiders]

QB2's have very little value and usually will be throw-ins to make a deal work, not the center piece of a deal. You would need to toss in a good WR and a QB2 for a good RB to make a deal work.

 

[Chaka]

QB2's have very little value and usually will be throw-ins to make a deal work, not the center piece of a deal. You would need to toss in a good WR and a QB2 for a good RB to make a deal work.

In this scenario he is talking about the #2 scoring QB in fantasy football, in a league that starts two QBs every week, not a QB2.

 

[SieteCinco]

Who are some mid-tier and buy low candidates you think will pay off down the stretch?

RB buy lows:

-Shonn Greene: Some people still seem to be stuck on his draft position and hope LT wears down

-Jahvid Best: People talk as if they're not happy with him, but I think if it came down to it they would be scared to give him up because of his weeks 1/2 stats.

-Knowshon Moreno: Has the talent and schedule end of the year to do well. Best time to get him would have been a few weeks ago but still might have a chance.

-DeAngelo Williams: Out week 9 will only give you more leverage. Carolina offense showing signs of life, and he hasn't been the problem this year.

-Ryan Matthews: Hasn't done much this year but get hurt, but has a nice schedule coming up.

-Beanie Wells: Wont be special, but should be the man in AZ (although thats what we have been hoping for nearly two years now)

-Ronnie Brown: Has a good schedule from week 12 on.

RB Mid-Tiers:

-Brandon Jackson: Owners for sure wont be high on him, and his carries have increased every week for six weeks. Wont be special, but should be solid.

-Benjarvus Green-Ellis: Has been solid since being the starter but people probably aren't sold on a WW RB on the Pats, especially with Woodhead being there.

WR Buy Lows:

-Steve Smith CAR: Was a top 4 option at WR when Moore was named starter during the end of last year, and has played well with Moore under center this year.

-Brandon Marshall: May be able to sell the owner on his lack of TDs. Wont be a big buy low, but possibly cheaper then you could normally get him.

-Steve Smith NYG: Owner may be worried about Nicks.

-Miles Austin: Owner may be worried about Kitna, Bryant, Williams and Witten.

WR Mid Tiers:

-Johnny Knox: He's good, and he's QB is good. The O-Line just needs to give them enough time.

-Austin Collie: He's been out a while and with Clark gone he could jump back into the same amount of targets he was getting pre-injury.

-Dez Bryant: Kitna has a good rapport with him from practicing with the #2 offense, and he's good.

-Nate Washington: To benefit from Moss the same way Welker and Harvin did?

QBs:

-Matthew Stafford: Shaun Hill put up top 10 numbers, and in Stafford first game back he put up #1 numbers. Has the weapons to succeed.

-Joe Flacco: Maybe people are still stuck on his weeks 1/2 stats and not confident in him. Has good schedule and Stallworth back on top of who he already has.

Jay Cutler: Had some good and bad games but O-Line is the biggest issue. If that can be sorted then he has everything needed to do well.

TE: Jaccob Tamme: Has the easiest schedule of any fantasy start worthy TE, and got the Dallas Clark snaps, looks, receptions, and most importantly - Dallas Clark stats. And Peyton Manning throwing to him.