Mike Mayocks (1 Viewer)

[broncofan13000]

Mayocks Draft Rankings by Position

Quarterbacks

1

*Matthew Stafford Georgia

2

*Mark Sanchez USC

3

*Josh Freeman Kansas State

4

Nate Davis Ball State

5

Rhett Bomar Sam Houston State

Running backs

1

*Chris Wells Ohio State

2

*Knowshon Moreno Georgia

3

*LeSean McCoy Pittsburgh

4

*Donald Brown Connecticut

5

*Shonn Green Iowa

Wide receivers

1

*Michael Crabtree Texas Tech

2

*Jeremy Maclin Missouri

3

*Darrius Heyward-Bey Maryland

4

*Kenny Britt Rutgers

5

*Percy Harvin Florida

Tight ends

1

Brandon Pettigrew Oklahoma State

2

Cornelius Ingram Florida

3

*James Casey Rice

4

Travis Beckum Wisconsin

5

Chase Coffman Missouri

 

[Blackjacks]

I agreed with everything except for Coffman at #5 te. I'll be suprised if he isn't at worst third off the board.

In three years he will be a top 5 te.

Get him in your rookie drafts boyz

 

[ninerfanatic492000]

amazing that Bomar has raised his stock back to this level. Sam Bradford would have made for one hell of a backup if Rhett actually showed up for work at Big Red Motors

 

[Weiner Dog]

Wow...absolutely no mention of Michael Johnson at DE.

 

[3C's]

I agreed with everything except for Coffman at #5 te. I'll be suprised if he isn't at worst third off the board.In three years he will be a top 5 te.Get him in your rookie drafts boyz

I agree but I think we're in the minority.

 

[theredoz]

No way Harvin is #5 Wr. I would also put Green before Brown... Just my thoughts

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Wow...absolutely no mention of Michael Johnson at DE.

He's a liability against the run and right now just a pure pass rusher. He should put up some off the chart numbers when he works out at the combine and gain some momentum from that. But he does need some work before he's ready for three down duty in the NFL.

 

[jurb26]

No way Harvin is #5 Wr. I would also put Green before Brown... Just my thoughts

Too high or too low?

 

[Crippler]

Both Mayock and Smith on Path to the Draft last night mentioned that they dont think Stafford or Sanchez are even close to Ryan and Flacco right now. For Stafford pure physical abilities, there was so many negatives also(Reminds of the Ryan Leaf love years ago) and Sanchez also had good and bad but that Carroll said no way he should have come out. They could struggle if they dont go to the perfect situation and sit with the clipboard.

 

[-OZ-]

Wow...absolutely no mention of Michael Johnson at DE.

He's a liability against the run and right now just a pure pass rusher. He should put up some off the chart numbers when he works out at the combine and gain some momentum from that. But he does need some work before he's ready for three down duty in the NFL.

Sure, but good pure pass rushers are still a valuable commodity. Think Dwight Freeney's good against the run? Yet he's widely considered among the best DEs in the game today. (I happen to think he's slightly overrated, but he does serve a purpose).

 

[MAC_32]

Wow...absolutely no mention of Michael Johnson at DE.

He's a liability against the run and right now just a pure pass rusher. He should put up some off the chart numbers when he works out at the combine and gain some momentum from that. But he does need some work before he's ready for three down duty in the NFL.

Sure, but good pure pass rushers are still a valuable commodity. Think Dwight Freeney's good against the run? Yet he's widely considered among the best DEs in the game today. (I happen to think he's slightly overrated, but he does serve a purpose).

I'm not even sure he's that great of a pass rusher. Sure he's got the tools but from what I saw on the field he seemed soft and uninterested in competing far too often. He doesn't even try to attack the runner when a running play is called and he's on the field.I'd rather take my risks on day two of the draft, Johnson probably won't fall that far.

 

[FavreCo]

According to NFLDraft Countdown, apparently he has dropped out of playing in the game. Smart move when you are over-rated.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Both Mayock and Smith on Path to the Draft last night mentioned that they dont think Stafford or Sanchez are even close to Ryan and Flacco right now. For Stafford pure physical abilities, there was so many negatives also(Reminds of the Ryan Leaf love years ago) and Sanchez also had good and bad but that Carroll said no way he should have come out. They could struggle if they dont go to the perfect situation and sit with the clipboard.

My next mock doesn't have a QB going until pick #10. And I'm starting to think even that might be too early.I'm not sure Stafford is even as good as Brady Quinn was when he came out.

 

[Crippler]

Both Mayock and Smith on Path to the Draft last night mentioned that they dont think Stafford or Sanchez are even close to Ryan and Flacco right now. For Stafford pure physical abilities, there was so many negatives also(Reminds of the Ryan Leaf love years ago) and Sanchez also had good and bad but that Carroll said no way he should have come out. They could struggle if they dont go to the perfect situation and sit with the clipboard.

My next mock doesn't have a QB going until pick #10. And I'm starting to think even that might be too early.I'm not sure Stafford is even as good as Brady Quinn was when he came out.

Well Flacco is higher rated by Mayock and he went #19. Bold move to drop them down and I like the idea. How many teams can wait on a QB to develop. Even if Detroit.

 

[Kirby]

Mack #3 center and Oher #4 tackle? I think he just likes messing with people.

 

[MAC_32]

Mack #3 center and Oher #4 tackle? I think he just likes messing with people.

What's wrong with independent thinking?

 

[coolnerd]

Mack #3 center and Oher #4 tackle? I think he just likes messing with people.

He addressed Mack on the Senior bowl coverage today, understanding that many others had him the highert rated, but when Mayock watched the tape he thought Mack spent too much time on the ground and was really best suited for a zone scheme.

 

[SPM]

Oher #4 tackle? I think he just likes messing with people.

seems to be how Sporting News thinks too. They think he's a reach in the first round which is just crazy

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Oher #4 tackle? I think he just likes messing with people.

seems to be how Sporting News thinks too. They think he's a reach in the first round which is just crazy

Mayock ranking him #4 isn't crazy. I bet if he was pressed, he'd say they are all ranked pretty closely and could go in any order in the 1st.I'm not sure what Sporting News is thinking.

 

[sofakinggood]

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[JAA]

No Akeem Nicks?

No Pat White at QB?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

No Akeem Nicks?No Pat White at QB?

No. Especially for the 2nd question.

 

[greyone]

no analysis?

 

[Sebowski]

All of these rankings should come with a link to previous years' rankings.

 

[MAC_32]

No Akeem Nicks?No Pat White at QB?

No. Especially for the 2nd question.

...and between Crabtree, Maclin, Harvin, Heyward-Bey, Nicks, and Britt someone had to be left off the WR top 5.

 

[The Jerk]

How many teams can wait on a QB to develop. Even if Detroit.

Playing a QB as a rookie could keep the Lions out of the playoffs.

 

[offdee]

No Pat White at QB?

Pat White measured in at an even 6 feet tall at the Senior Bowl. You can pretty much squash any possibility of him playing QB in the NFL anymore. If he has a future it will be at WR.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

No Pat White at QB?

Pat White measured in at an even 6 feet tall at the Senior Bowl. You can pretty much squash any possibility of him playing QB in the NFL anymore. If he has a future it will be at WR.

Some creative coach will probably let him run some wildcat formation plays and return kicks. Just let him do various things to get the ball in his hands. I agree he won't be a full time QB.

 

[aposulli]

No Pat White at QB?

Pat White measured in at an even 6 feet tall at the Senior Bowl. You can pretty much squash any possibility of him playing QB in the NFL anymore. If he has a future it will be at WR.

So much for all that 6'3" talk Anyway, yeah... I wonder if he even asked the Senior Bowl selectors/coaches to give him a chance at WR?

 

[Wadsworth]

Once again we are looking Big Ten RBs at or near the top of the projections. You'd think with the track record sooner or later people might start to get wise.

 

[Sinrman]

Don't agree with the Iowa RB being #5. He is a monster. I can easily see him as the #3 RB off the board. And having watched a lot of Knowshon, who is decent, I actually think Green is even better than Knowshon... just my opinion.

And I agree that Harvin should be #3 or #4 at worst. He's versitile, which is an added bonus in the NFL.

 

[coolnerd]

Oher #4 tackle? I think he just likes messing with people.

seems to be how Sporting News thinks too. They think he's a reach in the first round which is just crazy

Mayock ranking him #4 isn't crazy. I bet if he was pressed, he'd say they are all ranked pretty closely and could go in any order in the 1st.I'm not sure what Sporting News is thinking. :whoosh:

Mayock(nfln senior bowl coverage) said that Oher needss to refine his technique more, but hinted that he is still a first rounder and not far from the others.

 

[Crippler]

How many teams can wait on a QB to develop. Even if Detroit.

Playing a QB as a rookie could keep the Lions out of the playoffs.

So they can end up like David Carr

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Pat White's problem number is 190, not 72.0

 

[awesomeness]

I agreed with everything except for Coffman at #5 te. I'll be suprised if he isn't at worst third off the board.In three years he will be a top 5 te.Get him in your rookie drafts boyz

I agree but I think we're in the minority.

for fantasy purposes i would rank Coffman #2 behind James Casey. For fantasy relevant purposes, the only TE's i would draft no matter how deep the draft is would be:James CaseyChase CoffmanTravis BeckumBrandon Pettigrew

 

[The Jerk]

How many teams can wait on a QB to develop. Even if Detroit.

Playing a QB as a rookie could keep the Lions out of the playoffs.

So they can end up like David Carr

For every Carr, there have been a number of QBs/teams that have grown up together and learned from the experience.I never thought Carr had what it takes to be a starting NFL QB in the first place.

 

[-OZ-]

Pat White's problem number is 190, not 72.0

That's a decent IQ, he shhould have no problem with the wunderlic.

 

[Crippler]

How many teams can wait on a QB to develop. Even if Detroit.

Playing a QB as a rookie could keep the Lions out of the playoffs.

So they can end up like David Carr

For every Carr, there have been a number of QBs/teams that have grown up together and learned from the experience.I never thought Carr had what it takes to be a starting NFL QB in the first place.

Not many QB's are put in terrible situations and live to tell about it. Peyton Manning would be one but he was also a special QB and stayed 4 years in school. Guys like Flacco and Big Ben were put into very good situations with excellent D's and dynamic running teams. They did not have to carry a team. I think of the Harrington's, Alex Smith's. etc that did not succeed. And than I think of true juniors who have had a tough time outside of Drew Bledsoe, Rex Grossman fills this one for me. If I took the time I could see how many more failures there have been over successes by junior QB's and situation QB's. Detroit to me is a bad situation and not a place you want to go and expect to be a saviour.

 

[The Jerk]

How many teams can wait on a QB to develop. Even if Detroit.

Playing a QB as a rookie could keep the Lions out of the playoffs.

So they can end up like David Carr

For every Carr, there have been a number of QBs/teams that have grown up together and learned from the experience.I never thought Carr had what it takes to be a starting NFL QB in the first place.

Not many QB's are put in terrible situations and live to tell about it. Peyton Manning would be one but he was also a special QB and stayed 4 years in school. Guys like Flacco and Big Ben were put into very good situations with excellent D's and dynamic running teams. They did not have to carry a team. I think of the Harrington's, Alex Smith's. etc that did not succeed. And than I think of true juniors who have had a tough time outside of Drew Bledsoe, Rex Grossman fills this one for me. If I took the time I could see how many more failures there have been over successes by junior QB's and situation QB's. Detroit to me is a bad situation and not a place you want to go and expect to be a saviour.

I'm not saying you're wrong. My initial post was essentially a throw-away joke, but seriously, guys like Aikman and Bradshaw were placed in awful situations and managed to survive and eventually thrive. I could find more (wasn't Simms) but I'm not that interested to research it. Specifically, I never thought Carr would be a good pro. Nothing against him, great guy, but he appeared to be a classic scouting blunder coming as he did out of Fresno State and with an awkward throwing motion. I know NFL QBs have come from all over the spectrum, and Flacco out of Delaware furthers that it can often NOT matter, but all things being equal, Fresno State is not playing elite D-I defenses every week. The throwing motion was a bigger problem.I'll agree with you that, especially in recent years, it appears to be better not to throw a rookie QB to the wolves for the first year or two, but I don't think it's a guarantee of failure either. Too many examples to the contrary.

 

[MTskibum]

No Pat White at QB?

Pat White measured in at an even 6 feet tall at the Senior Bowl. You can pretty much squash any possibility of him playing QB in the NFL anymore. If he has a future it will be at WR.

Your right, someone needs to tell brees that he is way to short to be a pro QB, what the hell are the saints thinking, they need a jaren lorenzen asap.

 

[coolnerd]

How many teams can wait on a QB to develop. Even if Detroit.

Playing a QB as a rookie could keep the Lions out of the playoffs.

So they can end up like David Carr

For every Carr, there have been a number of QBs/teams that have grown up together and learned from the experience.I never thought Carr had what it takes to be a starting NFL QB in the first place.

Not many QB's are put in terrible situations and live to tell about it. Peyton Manning would be one but he was also a special QB and stayed 4 years in school. Guys like Flacco and Big Ben were put into very good situations with excellent D's and dynamic running teams. They did not have to carry a team. I think of the Harrington's, Alex Smith's. etc that did not succeed. And than I think of true juniors who have had a tough time outside of Drew Bledsoe, Rex Grossman fills this one for me. If I took the time I could see how many more failures there have been over successes by junior QB's and situation QB's. Detroit to me is a bad situation and not a place you want to go and expect to be a saviour.

I'm not saying you're wrong. My initial post was essentially a throw-away joke, but seriously, guys like Aikman and Bradshaw were placed in awful situations and managed to survive and eventually thrive. I could find more (wasn't Simms) but I'm not that interested to research it. Specifically, I never thought Carr would be a good pro. Nothing against him, great guy, but he appeared to be a classic scouting blunder coming as he did out of Fresno State and with an awkward throwing motion. I know NFL QBs have come from all over the spectrum, and Flacco out of Delaware furthers that it can often NOT matter, but all things being equal, Fresno State is not playing elite D-I defenses every week. The throwing motion was a bigger problem.I'll agree with you that, especially in recent years, it appears to be better not to throw a rookie QB to the wolves for the first year or two, but I don't think it's a guarantee of failure either. Too many examples to the contrary.

Carr's problem was that he didn't have a good pocket presence. As bad as the Texans OL was for his early career, he probably caused 20 extra sacks a season. At some point if you are getting hit, you figure out how not to get hit. when he had no pressure (physical or mental), Carr could put up numbers, so if he was drafted to a good team he would have been a fools gold player until the playoffs came around. Also, while not lazy, he was a 9 to 5er in a 12 hour (or more) business.

 

[bluesclues]

Mayock report on the backs or WR's yet?

 

[bluesclues]

Mayock report on the backs or WR's yet?

 

[3C's]

No Pat White at QB?

Pat White measured in at an even 6 feet tall at the Senior Bowl. You can pretty much squash any possibility of him playing QB in the NFL anymore. If he has a future it will be at WR.

Your right, someone needs to tell brees that he is way to short to be a pro QB, what the hell are the saints thinking, they need a jaren lorenzen asap.

You think White's accuracy, mental quickness or intelligence are anywhere near Brees? Brees is an exception to the rule.

 

[Crippler]

How many teams can wait on a QB to develop. Even if Detroit.

Playing a QB as a rookie could keep the Lions out of the playoffs.

So they can end up like David Carr

For every Carr, there have been a number of QBs/teams that have grown up together and learned from the experience.I never thought Carr had what it takes to be a starting NFL QB in the first place.

Not many QB's are put in terrible situations and live to tell about it. Peyton Manning would be one but he was also a special QB and stayed 4 years in school. Guys like Flacco and Big Ben were put into very good situations with excellent D's and dynamic running teams. They did not have to carry a team. I think of the Harrington's, Alex Smith's. etc that did not succeed. And than I think of true juniors who have had a tough time outside of Drew Bledsoe, Rex Grossman fills this one for me. If I took the time I could see how many more failures there have been over successes by junior QB's and situation QB's. Detroit to me is a bad situation and not a place you want to go and expect to be a saviour.

I'm not saying you're wrong. My initial post was essentially a throw-away joke, but seriously, guys like Aikman and Bradshaw were placed in awful situations and managed to survive and eventually thrive. I could find more (wasn't Simms) but I'm not that interested to research it. Specifically, I never thought Carr would be a good pro. Nothing against him, great guy, but he appeared to be a classic scouting blunder coming as he did out of Fresno State and with an awkward throwing motion. I know NFL QBs have come from all over the spectrum, and Flacco out of Delaware furthers that it can often NOT matter, but all things being equal, Fresno State is not playing elite D-I defenses every week. The throwing motion was a bigger problem.I'll agree with you that, especially in recent years, it appears to be better not to throw a rookie QB to the wolves for the first year or two, but I don't think it's a guarantee of failure either. Too many examples to the contrary.

Once again. We are talking elite QB's in Aikman and Bradshaw. Teams were trying to move up and get these guys and the 1st overall pick had value. Like with Palmer, Elway, Peyton, Bledsoe, Eli etc. All seniors who teams could not wait to come out. Stafford and Sanchez are not this. They will go high ala Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington because there competition is weak in the end and QB is such an important position. And not saying they will fail but I put there success way down if they go to Detroit or another bad situation were they are expected to be the saviour and now. More than likely going to end like the Ryan Leaf's, Rick Mirer, Andre Ware, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, or Heath Shuler's of the world. IF they had gone back for a senior season, I would have liked them much better to get the development they need. To succeed now, I think they must go to the perfect situation and be treated with kid hands. Unfortunately I cant find out who came out as juniors but here is the round 1 QB's of the last decade and a half1 1 JaMarcus Russell Louisiana State Oakland Raiders1 22 Brady Quinn Notre Dame Cleveland Browns1 3 Vince Young Texas Tennessee Titans1 10 Matt Leinart USC Arizona Cardinals1 11 Jay Cutler Vanderbilt Denver Broncos1 1 Alex Smith Utah San Francisco 49ers1 24 Aaron Rodgers California Green Bay Packers1 25 Jason Campbell Auburn Washington Redskins1 1 Eli Manning Mississippi San Diego Chargers1 4 Philip Rivers North Carolina State New York Giants1 11 Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) Pittsburgh Steelers1 22 J.P. Losman Tulane Buffalo Bills1 1 Carson Palmer USC Cincinnati Bengals1 7 Byron Leftwich Marshall Jacksonville Jaguars1 19 Kyle Boller California Baltimore Ravens1 22 Rex Grossman Florida Chicago Bears1 1 David Carr Fresno State Houston Texans1 3 Joey Harrington Oregon Detroit Lions1 32 Patrick Ramsey Tulane Washington Redskins1 1 Michael Vick Virginia Tech Atlanta Falcons1 18 Chad Pennington Marshall New York Jets1 1 Tim Couch Kentucky Cleveland Browns1 2 Donovan McNabb Syracuse Philadelphia Eagles1 3 Akili Smith Oregon Cincinnati Bengals1 11 Daunte Culpepper Central Florida Minnesota Vikings1 12 Cade McNown UCLA Chicago Bears1 1 Peyton Manning Tennessee Indianapolis Colts1 2 Ryan Leaf Washington State San Diego Chargers1 26 Jim Druckenmiller Virginia Tech San Francisco 49ers1 3 Steve McNair Alcorn State Houston Oilers1 5 Kerry Collins Penn State Carolina Panthers1 3 Heath Shuler Tennessee Washington Redskins1 6 Trent Dilfer Fresno State Tampa Bay Buccaneers1 1 Drew Bledsoe Washington State New England Patriots1 2 Rick Mirer Notre Dame Seattle Seahawks1 6 David Klingler Houston Cincinnati Bengals1 25 Tommy Maddox UCLA Denver BroncosAlmost half of 1st round QB's end up busts period. A few end up being okay NFL QB like Dilfer, Pennington. A guy your always looking to replace. What is the perfect formula, I don't know in the end but I do know I dont like what Stafford and Sanchez bring to the table at this moment and think they should drop to end of 1st ala Aaron Rodgers. I think he is goes to SF, he ends up like Alex Smith. BTW: School means nothing to me. There is an article in the forum that talks about were QB's come from. All kinds of different places

 

[The Jerk]

Once again. We are talking elite QB's in Aikman and Bradshaw. Teams were trying to move up and get these guys and the 1st overall pick had value. Like with Palmer, Elway, Peyton, Bledsoe, Eli etc. All seniors who teams could not wait to come out. Stafford and Sanchez are not this. They will go high ala Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington because there competition is weak in the end and QB is such an important position. And not saying they will fail but I put there success way down if they go to Detroit or another bad situation were they are expected to be the saviour and now. More than likely going to end like the Ryan Leaf's, Rick Mirer, Andre Ware, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, or Heath Shuler's of the world. IF they had gone back for a senior season, I would have liked them much better to get the development they need. To succeed now, I think they must go to the perfect situation and be treated with kid hands. Almost half of 1st round QB's end up busts period. A few end up being okay NFL QB like Dilfer, Pennington. A guy your always looking to replace. What is the perfect formula, I don't know in the end but I do know I dont like what Stafford and Sanchez bring to the table at this moment and think they should drop to end of 1st ala Aaron Rodgers. I think he is goes to SF, he ends up like Alex Smith. BTW: School means nothing to me. There is an article in the forum that talks about were QB's come from. All kinds of different places

I didn't just accidentally choose Aikman and Bradshaw. They, like David Carr, were #1 overall draft picks who joined very weak teams. They weren't expansion teams, but those teams were multiple years away from success. The Steelers were 1-13 the year before Bradshaw was drafted. The Cowboys were 1-15 in Aikman's first season.Look, if you're trying to say Carr might have done better with different handling, I completely agree. If you want to say that other QBs who have succeeded in the NFL might also have struggled if they swapped places with Carr, then I also agree. However, if you think Carr didn't contribute mightily to his own failure, then that's where we will need to disagree. There's nothing wrong with that; it happens all the time here.

 

[BuckeyeArt]

No Pat White at QB?

Pat White measured in at an even 6 feet tall at the Senior Bowl. You can pretty much squash any possibility of him playing QB in the NFL anymore. If he has a future it will be at WR.

So much for all that 6'3" talk Anyway, yeah... I wonder if he even asked the Senior Bowl selectors/coaches to give him a chance at WR?

It's actually the other way around. Has has refused to practice/play as a WR this week.