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Mike Tolbert - RB - Panthers
Panthers signed RB Mike Tolbert to a four-year contract.
Panthers signed RB Mike Tolbert to a four-year contract.
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Mike Tolbert - PANTHERS (1 Viewer)
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pantherclub
Footballguy
This makes no sense at all.
Stewart is in the last year of his rookie deal and is cheap. The reason you draft like this is to create a super team and next years team appears to be loaded. It would be foolish to try and trade Stewart, he is way better than Dwill IMO.
Stewart is in the last year of his rookie deal and is cheap. The reason you draft like this is to create a super team and next years team appears to be loaded. It would be foolish to try and trade Stewart, he is way better than Dwill IMO.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Sure hope so
As the last man on earth still holding Mike Goodson I feel it may be time to cut him. :(
football fan
Footballguy
http://blogs.nfl.com/2012/03/19/tolbert-agrees-to-four-year-deal-with-panthers/?module=HP11_headline_stack
Jason La Canfora
Tolbert agrees to four-year deal with Panthers
Jason La Canfora
By Jason La Canfora |
Published: March 19th, 2012 | Tags: 2012 free agency, Carolina Panthers, Mike Tolbert, San Diego Chargers
Ex-Chargers fullback Mike Tolbert has agreed to terms on a four-year deal with the Panthers, a league source said Monday.
Tolbert carried the ball 121 times for 490 yards with eight touchdowns in 2011, adding 433 yards and two more TDs as a receiver.
I wouldn’t project Tolbert’s signing as an immediate indication the Panthers will trade RB Jonathan Stewart. There could be some unique RB packages in mind, and Tolbert also brings a lot of productivity on special teams. I also could see some packages of QB Cam Newton, RB DeAngelo Williams, Stewart and Tolbert all on field at once.
Jason La Canfora
Tolbert agrees to four-year deal with Panthers
Jason La Canfora
By Jason La Canfora |
Published: March 19th, 2012 | Tags: 2012 free agency, Carolina Panthers, Mike Tolbert, San Diego Chargers
Ex-Chargers fullback Mike Tolbert has agreed to terms on a four-year deal with the Panthers, a league source said Monday.
Tolbert carried the ball 121 times for 490 yards with eight touchdowns in 2011, adding 433 yards and two more TDs as a receiver.
I wouldn’t project Tolbert’s signing as an immediate indication the Panthers will trade RB Jonathan Stewart. There could be some unique RB packages in mind, and Tolbert also brings a lot of productivity on special teams. I also could see some packages of QB Cam Newton, RB DeAngelo Williams, Stewart and Tolbert all on field at once.
Kleck
Footballguy
Triple-Wing!
duaneok66
Footballguy
sure they will be.
Silver & Black
Footballguy
As a Ryan Mathews owner, I am rejoicing!
duaneok66
Footballguy
i am sure SD will draft a back in the middle rounds or bring in a cheap FA.
Silver & Black
Footballguy
I have no doubt. But I feel a lot better with a guy like Battle coming in as the backup as rumored as opposed to have tolbert there. Same with a rookie RB. If Mathews can stay healthy (I know, a big if), I think he is in for a nice 2012 campaign.
Benchwarmers
Footballguy
wow, RBBC for sure even if they get rid of Stewart. Carolina I thought you had your !%$/ together, but I guess not.
Agreed. They'd be crazy not to bring someone else in, but I now like Mathews chances of 12+ TDs.
Koya
Footballguy
One tolberts fantasy advantages as the bowling ball was short yardage tds. Not sure how that will mesh with Newtons vulture tendencies though perhaps Tolbert gives them a viable enough option to lessen the wear and tear on the young franchise qb.
Now between dwill and jstew, I personally think dwill is more talented but will have to see how this pans out. Tolberts productive on third downs so maybe it indeed makes sense that jstew is on the way out with dwill looking at a role like last year, 1-2 downs between the 20s
Now between dwill and jstew, I personally think dwill is more talented but will have to see how this pans out. Tolberts productive on third downs so maybe it indeed makes sense that jstew is on the way out with dwill looking at a role like last year, 1-2 downs between the 20s
Shutout
Footballguy
Ditto!
RBM
Footballguy
They already grabbed Leron McClain.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
As a Matthews owner myself I am sure the Chargers will bring in a 5-10 250LB free agent FB. Then in X season this guy will get a one yard TD plunge and Turner will gush "He has a nose for the goal line" and we will have Tolbert part II.
zamboni
Footballguy
On the contrary, I think their #### is very much intact. It's not a move that makes fantasy owners happy, but they picked up a very solid player that will only improve the team.
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az_prof
Footballguy
None of the RBs will be worth anything in fantasy if they keep all three.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
I'm fine with it as long as they trade Stewart and it was a modest contract (agent saying he took less). In the long-run, Tolbert would be cheaper than Stewart (if they were to keep him).
Probably would've made more sense to let Stewart walk and draft someone to play for cheap.
It probably worked out better this way. The Panthers probably would've done something stupid like drafting a RB in the 1st round again. Tolbert probably saved us a 1st round pick.
Probably would've made more sense to let Stewart walk and draft someone to play for cheap.
It probably worked out better this way. The Panthers probably would've done something stupid like drafting a RB in the 1st round again. Tolbert probably saved us a 1st round pick.
Cleat Spike
Footballguy
What in the 2 games he played? I thought it is pretty widely known that he did look good in his limited looks, no? He looks like he had a lot of versatility/speed to do a lot of things for that team if needed.At first glance it seems like Tolbert takes a little hit with Cam using himself at the GL and rushing a lot, but then again JStew and DWill can't really stay that healthy over a full season anyways. Also- perhaps this is good for Goodson. Maybe they do keep JStew and cut or ship Goodson out to a better home.
az_prof
Footballguy
This is horrible for Tolbert. He now has two RBs ahead of him and both are better than him. If they trade one of those two guys, he is still worse off because he will be a backup/change of pace guy to the one who is left AND he has to content with CAM vulturing the TD role as you say. How is that better than SD where he only had Matthews to compete with and a QB who didn't run?
Shutout
Footballguy
Its more money for him. I guess that is how it is better.Lost in all of this, I think this is an indicator that Cam won't be used at the goal line as much. Maybe as a thought by the organization that they don't want their franchise QB taking THAT many hits.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
The other point is that CAR clearly wanted him, so it's not likely that he'll be a spare part. His value is still there, the CAR backfield is still in flux with his addition.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
The other point is that CAR clearly wanted him, so it's not likely that he'll be a spare part. His value is still there, the CAR backfield is still in flux with his addition.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
The other point is that CAR clearly wanted him, so it's not likely that he'll be a spare part. His value is still there, the CAR backfield is still in flux with his addition.This is TREMENDOUS NEWS, THANKS! Signed, the owner of Mark Ingram, Shane Vereen, CJ Spiller, Daniel Thomas,etc, .......
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think Carolina holds all 3 guys this year, and they will get a comp pick for Stewart when he leaves next year.
pantherclub
Footballguy
A buddy of mine in charlotte with ties to the Panthers just texted that teh Panthers were going to cut Dwill. I have no idea if this is true or not jsut passing it along.
Inspiration
Footballguy
I suppose anything is possible, but that would definitely surprising. I believe the Panthers would lose cap space this year by cutting him.
identikit
Footballguy
an $8 million hit for this year is bouncing around twitter
cstu
Footballguy
He gets paid and doesn't have to play.
pantherclub
Footballguy
do you have a twitter link with some details? 8 Million is a lot to absorb.
cstu
Footballguy
$5M of his salary is guaranteed this year plus $12.8M of his signing bonus. He's going nowhere this year.
I don't think he really cares. He'll be 27 this season. This is likely his last significant contract. It really doesn't matter if he's the starter or the backup. In fact, it may help that he's the backup. That may allow him to play in 4 years after this contract runs out.
identikit
Footballguy
per Evan Silva of Rotoworld, PFT, NBC
RyanMc23 Could DeAngelo Williams be cut? Would that save them big money? ... No & no. Would cause roughly $8M cap hit this offseason.
zamboni
Footballguy
I'm guessing that Tolbert realized his market value is not that high as a traditional RB, and decided to go to a team on the rise where he can still have a versatile role. Plus, he used to play for Rivera and Chudzinski in San Diego, so there's big time familiarity there.
Clearly it wasn't money, as it was reported he left about $1 million on the table in San Diego.
Clearly it wasn't money, as it was reported he left about $1 million on the table in San Diego.
Shutout
Footballguy
A Roto blurb says $5M hit if DWIL is cut.Instead of taking a $5M hit to the cap, I would rather trade JSTEW and get something. But overall, none of these moves makes a lot of sense to me so maybe they DO just keep all 3. Man, this is killing my team with DWIL and JSTEW.
cstu
Footballguy
The total number would $17.8M for cutting him this year.per Evan Silva of Rotoworld, PFT, NBC
identikit
Footballguy
OKIs this more accurate than your adamant post that Kolb's and Flynn's contracts were essentially the same?The total number would $17.8M for cutting him this year.per Evan Silva of Rotoworld, PFT, NBC
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pantherclub
Footballguy
Unless they can get a #1 for him (which I dont see happening) then I dont understand this move.
Tackling Dummies
Footballguy
Maybe to save some wear & tear on Newton, Tolbert could be the GL option. Use Newton between the 20s instead? For transparency sake, I'm not an owner of any Panthers.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
tolbert is a special teams stud and a great depth guy.I think this move is more about next year when they either cut DeAngelo or just let Stewart walk. Riveria knows what he's getting.
Shutout
Footballguy
Why would you spend millions of dollars on a position you are three deep in, for something to transpire next year?A year is a long time, especially with RBs. I mean, I could see a long term move at a few other positions but RB is hard to sell? That would be like revealing that the organization thinks Tolbert is a better option now over something they could get a year from now through FA, draft, or their own PS? Unless they have an idea to move someone else, I really think it has to be done along the ideas that they are wanting to save some hits on Cam. Even that is kind of out there for me. Millions of dollars spent on tolbert vs letting DWIL or JSTEW be a goal line back? Both the incumbents can get the job done at the goal. They both can catch. I just don't see Tolbert bringing anything to the team that isn't already there and even Goodson can do some of these things. Seems like overkill to me if it stands the way it is.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I wouldn't count on Newton to continue being the goal line back. In fact, I'd be willing to bet his rushing TDs are cut in half this year and half of that in 2013.
az_prof
Footballguy
In my experience, teams are willing to swallow a few million in loss to cut a guy, but not millions in cap space. If the rumor of the cap hit is correct, then I agree. But if not, then I could see him being cut even if they lose 5 M.
