Mike Tomlin Intentionally Disrupted KO Return: Proof! (1 Viewer)

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I guess if your team can't compete all you have left is the shady underhanded bull####

stay classy, pittsburgh

 

[Donnybrook]

Flacco approves of Tomlin's conduct: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/07/flacco-urged-teammates-on-sidelines-to-tackle-ted-ginn/

 

[Mario Kart]

I don't know how you prove intent, but it sure looks bad. If you could prove that he did it on purpose, I think a very long suspension is in order. Since that's going to be nearly impossible, I imagine a fine and short suspension is what will happen.

Maybe they can find a video where his mannerism looks like someone placing their feet to be at a precise spot instead of just ambling sidewise while focused somewhere else?

Wasn't ambling at all. It sure looks 100% intentional. Why? At :12-:14 in the video in the OP, Tomlin's head moves from watching the jumbotron to the field. He clearly moves his head/focus away from the screen above. Needs to be gone, ASAP.

 

[msudaisy26]

This is a big one here for the NFL. Goodell has no problem laying huge fines and suspensions on players. What Tomlin did was a total bush league move and could have impacted the outcome of the game and playoff race. Tomlin has to be suspended at least 2 games along with fines and loss of a draft pick. In fact Tomlin should get the same punishment as the Jest coach.

I hate the Steelers as much as the next guy, but why the loss of draft pick? When a player blantantly violates the rules and injures another player, there's no loss of draft pick. this is a tomlin issue, not a Steeler organization issue.

The same reason the Patriots lost a draft pick in 2007 or 2008 whatever year it was. A coach was doing something that gave his team an unfair advantage and it did or could have altered the game and draft position for other teams.

 

[DropKick]

Typical move from a classless organization.

Hmmmmm.... Bait much?

Bait? Are you saying it isn't true? That the Steelers have a long history of dirty players, a face-of-the-franchise who is a sexual predator? Which is okay by the owner, but the black WR who smokes pot is cut immediately.

And now we have a head coach who is cheating in game, and then lying to everyone's face about it.

Yeah, must be "bait," lol.

That's not the question as to whether I think it's true or not just don't think this is the thread in which to have this discussion... Have the Steelers made questionable calls lately? Absolutely!!

But this comment...

"And now we have a head coach who is cheating in game, and then lying to everyone's face about it"

Could be said about a handful of coaches over the past few yrs including the Pats... Do I think what Tomlin did was intentional? I'm thinking that YES it was...

But just like in a court of law a premeditated act receives stiffer punishment than a heat of the battle act... For instance premeditated cheating like spy gate should receive IMO a stiffer penalty than what Tomlin did Thursday... What makes it murky is the issue of player safety and because of that I think the fine and it suspension will be stiff.

I don't feel loss of a draft pick is warranted... I mean shoot if that were the case and shanahan had been the one to do what Tomlin did the NFL wouldn't be able to take a draft pick because you can't take what you don't have (laughs a little)

So you agree it was a bush league move but defend it as "possibly spur of the moment and not premeditated"...

OK...

Loss of draft pick seems right to me.

 

[DropKick]

I don't know how you prove intent, but it sure looks bad. If you could prove that he did it on purpose, I think a very long suspension is in order. Since that's going to be nearly impossible, I imagine a fine and short suspension is what will happen.

Maybe they can find a video where his mannerism looks like someone placing their feet to be at a precise spot instead of just ambling sidewise while focused somewhere else?

Wasn't ambling at all. It sure looks 100% intentional. Why? At :12-:14 in the video in the OP, Tomlin's head moves from watching the jumbotron to the field. He clearly moves his head/focus away from the screen above. Needs to be gone, ASAP.

I think the move to shift the left foot to the right while right on the edge of the field is sketchy as well. An odd stance and this shift in foot position will actually shift your body about 6 inches to the right (toward the field).

 

[Godsbrother]

This is a big one here for the NFL. Goodell has no problem laying huge fines and suspensions on players. What Tomlin did was a total bush league move and could have impacted the outcome of the game and playoff race. Tomlin has to be suspended at least 2 games along with fines and loss of a draft pick. In fact Tomlin should get the same punishment as the Jest coach.

I hate the Steelers as much as the next guy, but why the loss of draft pick? When a player blantantly violates the rules and injures another player, there's no loss of draft pick. this is a tomlin issue, not a Steeler organization issue.

Head coaches should be held head and shoulders above their players. He should be more severely punished since he is supposed to be a leader of men. They represent the team and are in management, he is also part of the competition committee he should receive the biggest possible penalty and the team should receive one too.

This is in the same vein as Spygate. What Tomlin did is not the same as a player, intentionally or unintentionally, hitting another player above the shoulders while in the field of play. A coach has no business stepping on the field while the ball is in play. There is NO EXCUSE for this and anyone that says otherwise is a blatant homer.

The problem is that the NFL has been very lax about enforcing this. My season tickets are behind the opponents sideline and you will see coaches in the white area and on the field every game. 99% of the time it is away from the play and has no effect but it still occurs.

I am not a mind reader so I don't know for sure if Tomlin intentionally interfered or not but the fact is he did interfere and deserves to be fined heavily and possibly suspended a game or two. Talks of a lengthy suspension or losing draft picks is a bit excessive though.

If the NFL wants to prevent this sort of thing they should start policing the white area better and start throwing flags.

The league had warned teams about sideline interference the day before the Tomlin incident

Yet they didn't throw a flag on that play or on any other game. That's my point, i guarantee coaches will stay where they're supposed to be if the officials start throwing 15 yard flags

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Typical move from a classless organization.

Hmmmmm.... Bait much?

Bait? Are you saying it isn't true? That the Steelers have a long history of dirty players, a face-of-the-franchise who is a sexual predator? Which is okay by the owner, but the black WR who smokes pot is cut immediately.

And now we have a head coach who is cheating in game, and then lying to everyone's face about it.

Yeah, must be "bait," lol.

That's not the question as to whether I think it's true or not just don't think this is the thread in which to have this discussion... Have the Steelers made questionable calls lately? Absolutely!!But this comment...

"And now we have a head coach who is cheating in game, and then lying to everyone's face about it"

Could be said about a handful of coaches over the past few yrs including the Pats... Do I think what Tomlin did was intentional? I'm thinking that YES it was...

But just like in a court of law a premeditated act receives stiffer punishment than a heat of the battle act... For instance premeditated cheating like spy gate should receive IMO a stiffer penalty than what Tomlin did Thursday... What makes it murky is the issue of player safety and because of that I think the fine and it suspension will be stiff.

I don't feel loss of a draft pick is warranted... I mean shoot if that were the case and shanahan had been the one to do what Tomlin did the NFL wouldn't be able to take a draft pick because you can't take what you don't have (laughs a little)

So you agree it was a bush league move but defend it as "possibly spur of the moment and not premeditated"...

OK...

Loss of draft pick seems right to me.

I didn't defend it as spur of the moment just making a delineation between a well thought out plot to record the other team illegally and in the spur of the moment getting in the way of a play on the field... There is a difference

 

[Cheesedawg]

This is a big one here for the NFL. Goodell has no problem laying huge fines and suspensions on players. What Tomlin did was a total bush league move and could have impacted the outcome of the game and playoff race. Tomlin has to be suspended at least 2 games along with fines and loss of a draft pick. In fact Tomlin should get the same punishment as the Jest coach.

I hate the Steelers as much as the next guy, but why the loss of draft pick? When a player blantantly violates the rules and injures another player, there's no loss of draft pick. this is a tomlin issue, not a Steeler organization issue.

Head coaches should be held head and shoulders above their players. He should be more severely punished since he is supposed to be a leader of men. They represent the team and are in management, he is also part of the competition committee he should receive the biggest possible penalty and the team should receive one too.

This is in the same vein as Spygate. What Tomlin did is not the same as a player, intentionally or unintentionally, hitting another player above the shoulders while in the field of play. A coach has no business stepping on the field while the ball is in play. There is NO EXCUSE for this and anyone that says otherwise is a blatant homer.

Agree 100%

I know the offenses are apples and oranges but Sean Peyton was suspended for a year. The offenses are not comparable, but the recent NFL precedent is that, if complicit, the leader of the team will be punished most harshly of all.

Tomlin should, IMHO, take a 4+-game suspension and a deep six-figure fine. He should be forgiven eventually by the public but he needs to acknowledge and apologize. I do think a decent draft pick should be in the equation.

I am not a Ravens' fan. I actually favor the Steelers over Balt by far, but Tomlin disappointed a lot of people with that spontaneous but poor decision. Youth coaches are watching...the NFL must affirm the line it draws with the rules and make sure that applies to coaches/teams as well as players. I'm no player-advocate but that's how I see it.

 

[Faust]

Mike Tomlin 'TripGate' ruling coming later this week


By Will Brinson | NFL Writer


December 2, 2013 6:51 pm ET

Mike Tomlin's under fire for his alleged attempted tripping of Jacoby Jones during the Steelers-Ravens Thanksgiving night game. And it was believed that a ruling might come from the NFL on Monday but CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora reports that's not the case.

Instead, the league is still reviewing the matter and is expected to make a ruling early this week.

A heavy fine is still expected for Tomlin and the Steelers. La Canfora reports the Steelers are still worried they could be stripped of a pick and that while a suspension is not in play for Tomlin, everything else is still on the table.

New video emerged on Monday that appears to show Tomlin taking a step toward the field during the return. It's not a great look. The coaches' film isn't yet available on Game Rewind, but you can bet that the NFL has already gotten a look at it, or is looking at it during the review.

A review of the game film shows that in an on-field interview before the game, Tomlin dropped a little irony.

"Obviously, the kicking game is going to be big," Tomlin said.

If he only knew just how big it would be.

 

[Short Corner]

This is a big one here for the NFL. Goodell has no problem laying huge fines and suspensions on players. What Tomlin did was a total bush league move and could have impacted the outcome of the game and playoff race. Tomlin has to be suspended at least 2 games along with fines and loss of a draft pick. In fact Tomlin should get the same punishment as the Jest coach.

I hate the Steelers as much as the next guy, but why the loss of draft pick? When a player blantantly violates the rules and injures another player, there's no loss of draft pick. this is a tomlin issue, not a Steeler organization issue.

Head coaches should be held head and shoulders above their players. He should be more severely punished since he is supposed to be a leader of men. They represent the team and are in management, he is also part of the competition committee he should receive the biggest possible penalty and the team should receive one too.

This is in the same vein as Spygate. What Tomlin did is not the same as a player, intentionally or unintentionally, hitting another player above the shoulders while in the field of play. A coach has no business stepping on the field while the ball is in play. There is NO EXCUSE for this and anyone that says otherwise is a blatant homer.

The problem is that the NFL has been very lax about enforcing this. My season tickets are behind the opponents sideline and you will see coaches in the white area and on the field every game. 99% of the time it is away from the play and has no effect but it still occurs.

I am not a mind reader so I don't know for sure if Tomlin intentionally interfered or not but the fact is he did interfere and deserves to be fined heavily and possibly suspended a game or two. Talks of a lengthy suspension or losing draft picks is a bit excessive though.

If the NFL wants to prevent this sort of thing they should start policing the white area better and start throwing flags.

The league had warned teams about sideline interference the day before the Tomlin incident

Yet they didn't throw a flag on that play or on any other game. That's my point, i guarantee coaches will stay where they're supposed to be if the officials start throwing 15 yard flags

I guarantee they will still try and get away with it if they can get a player to break stride and prevent a score.

 

[Tango]

New video emerged on Monday that appears to show Tomlin taking a step toward the field during the return. It's not a great look. The coaches' film isn't yet available on Game Rewind, but you can bet that the NFL has already gotten a look at it, or is looking at it during the review.

There's also that video after the play on the Ravens sideline with Jones getting ribbed by his teammates for getting caught from behind.

Jones mistakenly refers to Tomlin as Tomlinson which is sort of funny. And then, just now on NFL Radio, Amani Toomer also called him Tomlinson.

 

[Godsbrother]

This is a big one here for the NFL. Goodell has no problem laying huge fines and suspensions on players. What Tomlin did was a total bush league move and could have impacted the outcome of the game and playoff race. Tomlin has to be suspended at least 2 games along with fines and loss of a draft pick. In fact Tomlin should get the same punishment as the Jest coach.

I hate the Steelers as much as the next guy, but why the loss of draft pick? When a player blantantly violates the rules and injures another player, there's no loss of draft pick. this is a tomlin issue, not a Steeler organization issue.

Head coaches should be held head and shoulders above their players. He should be more severely punished since he is supposed to be a leader of men. They represent the team and are in management, he is also part of the competition committee he should receive the biggest possible penalty and the team should receive one too.

This is in the same vein as Spygate. What Tomlin did is not the same as a player, intentionally or unintentionally, hitting another player above the shoulders while in the field of play. A coach has no business stepping on the field while the ball is in play. There is NO EXCUSE for this and anyone that says otherwise is a blatant homer.

The problem is that the NFL has been very lax about enforcing this. My season tickets are behind the opponents sideline and you will see coaches in the white area and on the field every game. 99% of the time it is away from the play and has no effect but it still occurs.

I am not a mind reader so I don't know for sure if Tomlin intentionally interfered or not but the fact is he did interfere and deserves to be fined heavily and possibly suspended a game or two. Talks of a lengthy suspension or losing draft picks is a bit excessive though.

If the NFL wants to prevent this sort of thing they should start policing the white area better and start throwing flags.

The league had warned teams about sideline interference the day before the Tomlin incident

Yet they didn't throw a flag on that play or on any other game. That's my point, i guarantee coaches will stay where they're supposed to be if the officials start throwing 15 yard flags

I guarantee they will still try and get away with it if they can get a player to break stride and prevent a score.

I don't think that coaches interference is an epidemic problem in the NFL. This situation, whether you believe Tomlin did it on purpose or not, occurred because the NFL has a rule that they don't enforce. It was an easy call for the official to throw a flag on Tomlin for merely being in the white yet no penalty was called and the reason is because coaches are always standing in the white area and officials never penalize it.

The white area on the sideline is supposed to be for officials only -- if they start throwing 15 yard penalties coaches will get the point very quick and they'll make sure that they and their coaching staff stay out of the white and you won't see any more of this nonsense.

 

[glock]

VIDEO: New angle of Mike Tomlin-Jacoby Jones interference

Why THIS link isn't getting more love is beyond me. After Tomlin first moves his right foot to the edge of the sideline- and just onto the field of play- he shifts his left foot closer to his right foot- assuming an "attention" position. He turns his head slightly towards the field as though watching behind him with his peripheral vision, THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so- and jumps back to his left like he touched a hot stove with his foot.

Totally knew what he was doing.

 

[Bayhawks]

VIDEO: New angle of Mike Tomlin-Jacoby Jones interference

Why THIS link isn't getting more love is beyond me. After Tomlin first moves his right foot to the edge of the sideline- and just onto the field of play- he shifts his left foot closer to his right foot- assuming an "attention" position. He turns his head slightly towards the field as though watching behind him with his peripheral vision, THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so- and jumps back to his left like he touched a hot stove with his foot.

Totally knew what he was doing.

Except that is not at all what is on that video.

.10-Can't see Tomlin, but you can barely see the toe of a foot on the edge of the playing field (well downfield). It would turn out to be Tomlin's foot.

.11-first time Tomlin can be seen. His right foot is just on the field. His back is to the play, & he is looking towards the jumbotron (presumably). Jones is maybe 25 yards away from him at this point.

.12-Tomlin's left foot moves close to his right foot. Left foot is not on field, but very close to right foot. Tomlin is still looking away and up towards the jumbotron. It would be impossible for his "peripheral" vision to see Jones, as he is almost directly behind him at this point.

.13-Tomlin starts to look back towards his right (or over his right shoulder). At this point, he can probably see Jones (or at least other players) heading towards him.

.14-Tomlin jumps to his left, at the last second. Jones moves back towards his right & is tackled. If you've ever stood with your feet together and then tried to jump one way or the other, you'd know that it is natural to shift AWAY from the direction you are jumping in order to jump. It's one of the "instincts" that has to be beaten out of student-athletes when having them do plyometric drills; they need to explode from 1 point to another, without "setting" themselves. When a person (Tomlin) is not in a ready position, and needs to move quickly in one direction, he/she will almost always shift themselves away from that direction first.

Again, I think Tomlin intentionally positioned himself. I think he saw the play unfolding, positioned himself with his back to the play along the sideline, watched the jumbotron, and tried to move at the last second.

That being said, I can't prove this, and none of the videos posted prove it, despite what many are trying to say.

 

[glock]

VIDEO: New angle of Mike Tomlin-Jacoby Jones interference

Why THIS link isn't getting more love is beyond me. After Tomlin first moves his right foot to the edge of the sideline- and just onto the field of play- he shifts his left foot closer to his right foot- assuming an "attention" position. He turns his head slightly towards the field as though watching behind him with his peripheral vision, THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so- and jumps back to his left like he touched a hot stove with his foot.

Totally knew what he was doing.

Except that is not at all what is on that video.

.10-Can't see Tomlin, but you can barely see the toe of a foot on the edge of the playing field (well downfield). It would turn out to be Tomlin's foot.

.11-first time Tomlin can be seen. His right foot is just on the field. His back is to the play, & he is looking towards the jumbotron (presumably). Jones is maybe 25 yards away from him at this point.

.12-Tomlin's left foot moves close to his right foot. Left foot is not on field, but very close to right foot. Tomlin is still looking away and up towards the jumbotron. It would be impossible for his "peripheral" vision to see Jones, as he is almost directly behind him at this point.

.13-Tomlin starts to look back towards his right (or over his right shoulder). At this point, he can probably see Jones (or at least other players) heading towards him.

.14-Tomlin jumps to his left, at the last second. Jones moves back towards his right & is tackled. If you've ever stood with your feet together and then tried to jump one way or the other, you'd know that it is natural to shift AWAY from the direction you are jumping in order to jump. It's one of the "instincts" that has to be beaten out of student-athletes when having them do plyometric drills; they need to explode from 1 point to another, without "setting" themselves. When a person (Tomlin) is not in a ready position, and needs to move quickly in one direction, he/she will almost always shift themselves away from that direction first.

Again, I think Tomlin intentionally positioned himself. I think he saw the play unfolding, positioned himself with his back to the play along the sideline, watched the jumbotron, and tried to move at the last second.

That being said, I can't prove this, and none of the videos posted prove it, despite what many are trying to say.

Just what "is not at all what is on that video?"

I do notice that your recap omits what I covered- "THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so-" which occurs immediately before his little leap to the left.

Do you not see that?? And again at the :37 mark. Quick step to right and a jump to the left.

 

[Bayhawks]

VIDEO: New angle of Mike Tomlin-Jacoby Jones interference

Why THIS link isn't getting more love is beyond me. After Tomlin first moves his right foot to the edge of the sideline- and just onto the field of play- he shifts his left foot closer to his right foot- assuming an "attention" position. He turns his head slightly towards the field as though watching behind him with his peripheral vision, THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so- and jumps back to his left like he touched a hot stove with his foot.

Totally knew what he was doing.

Except that is not at all what is on that video.

.10-Can't see Tomlin, but you can barely see the toe of a foot on the edge of the playing field (well downfield). It would turn out to be Tomlin's foot.

.11-first time Tomlin can be seen. His right foot is just on the field. His back is to the play, & he is looking towards the jumbotron (presumably). Jones is maybe 25 yards away from him at this point.

.12-Tomlin's left foot moves close to his right foot. Left foot is not on field, but very close to right foot. Tomlin is still looking away and up towards the jumbotron. It would be impossible for his "peripheral" vision to see Jones, as he is almost directly behind him at this point.

.13-Tomlin starts to look back towards his right (or over his right shoulder). At this point, he can probably see Jones (or at least other players) heading towards him.

.14-Tomlin jumps to his left, at the last second. Jones moves back towards his right & is tackled. If you've ever stood with your feet together and then tried to jump one way or the other, you'd know that it is natural to shift AWAY from the direction you are jumping in order to jump. It's one of the "instincts" that has to be beaten out of student-athletes when having them do plyometric drills; they need to explode from 1 point to another, without "setting" themselves. When a person (Tomlin) is not in a ready position, and needs to move quickly in one direction, he/she will almost always shift themselves away from that direction first.

Again, I think Tomlin intentionally positioned himself. I think he saw the play unfolding, positioned himself with his back to the play along the sideline, watched the jumbotron, and tried to move at the last second.

That being said, I can't prove this, and none of the videos posted prove it, despite what many are trying to say.

Just what "is not at all what is on that video?"

I do notice that your recap omits what I covered- "THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so-" which occurs immediately before his little leap to the left.

Do you not see that??

Check it again.

It's a natural movement for someone who is standing with their feet together. If they are going to jump to their left, they shift to their right first.

 

[Max Power]

Are people really arguing that Tomlin didn't know where he was and what he was doing?

 

[glock]

VIDEO: New angle of Mike Tomlin-Jacoby Jones interference

Why THIS link isn't getting more love is beyond me. After Tomlin first moves his right foot to the edge of the sideline- and just onto the field of play- he shifts his left foot closer to his right foot- assuming an "attention" position. He turns his head slightly towards the field as though watching behind him with his peripheral vision, THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so- and jumps back to his left like he touched a hot stove with his foot.

Totally knew what he was doing.

Except that is not at all what is on that video.

.10-Can't see Tomlin, but you can barely see the toe of a foot on the edge of the playing field (well downfield). It would turn out to be Tomlin's foot.

.11-first time Tomlin can be seen. His right foot is just on the field. His back is to the play, & he is looking towards the jumbotron (presumably). Jones is maybe 25 yards away from him at this point.

.12-Tomlin's left foot moves close to his right foot. Left foot is not on field, but very close to right foot. Tomlin is still looking away and up towards the jumbotron. It would be impossible for his "peripheral" vision to see Jones, as he is almost directly behind him at this point.

.13-Tomlin starts to look back towards his right (or over his right shoulder). At this point, he can probably see Jones (or at least other players) heading towards him.

.14-Tomlin jumps to his left, at the last second. Jones moves back towards his right & is tackled. If you've ever stood with your feet together and then tried to jump one way or the other, you'd know that it is natural to shift AWAY from the direction you are jumping in order to jump. It's one of the "instincts" that has to be beaten out of student-athletes when having them do plyometric drills; they need to explode from 1 point to another, without "setting" themselves. When a person (Tomlin) is not in a ready position, and needs to move quickly in one direction, he/she will almost always shift themselves away from that direction first.

Again, I think Tomlin intentionally positioned himself. I think he saw the play unfolding, positioned himself with his back to the play along the sideline, watched the jumbotron, and tried to move at the last second.

That being said, I can't prove this, and none of the videos posted prove it, despite what many are trying to say.

Just what "is not at all what is on that video?"

I do notice that your recap omits what I covered- "THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so-" which occurs immediately before his little leap to the left.

Do you not see that??

Check it again.

It's a natural movement for someone who is standing with their feet together. If they are going to jump to their left, they shift to their right first.

Right.

Especially when one knows that stepping to the right will put them further onto the field and into the runners way.

Edited to add- I'm still looking for the video that shows Tomlin beaming like the Cheshire cat after this play...

 

[glock]

Are people really arguing that Tomlin didn't know where he was and what he was doing?

Not openly. They're using "the video doesn't prove intent" argument.

Exactly.

 

[jade]

VIDEO: New angle of Mike Tomlin-Jacoby Jones interference

Why THIS link isn't getting more love is beyond me. After Tomlin first moves his right foot to the edge of the sideline- and just onto the field of play- he shifts his left foot closer to his right foot- assuming an "attention" position. He turns his head slightly towards the field as though watching behind him with his peripheral vision, THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so- and jumps back to his left like he touched a hot stove with his foot.

Totally knew what he was doing.

Except that is not at all what is on that video.

.10-Can't see Tomlin, but you can barely see the toe of a foot on the edge of the playing field (well downfield). It would turn out to be Tomlin's foot.

.11-first time Tomlin can be seen. His right foot is just on the field. His back is to the play, & he is looking towards the jumbotron (presumably). Jones is maybe 25 yards away from him at this point.

.12-Tomlin's left foot moves close to his right foot. Left foot is not on field, but very close to right foot. Tomlin is still looking away and up towards the jumbotron. It would be impossible for his "peripheral" vision to see Jones, as he is almost directly behind him at this point.

.13-Tomlin starts to look back towards his right (or over his right shoulder). At this point, he can probably see Jones (or at least other players) heading towards him.

.14-Tomlin jumps to his left, at the last second. Jones moves back towards his right & is tackled. If you've ever stood with your feet together and then tried to jump one way or the other, you'd know that it is natural to shift AWAY from the direction you are jumping in order to jump. It's one of the "instincts" that has to be beaten out of student-athletes when having them do plyometric drills; they need to explode from 1 point to another, without "setting" themselves. When a person (Tomlin) is not in a ready position, and needs to move quickly in one direction, he/she will almost always shift themselves away from that direction first.

Again, I think Tomlin intentionally positioned himself. I think he saw the play unfolding, positioned himself with his back to the play along the sideline, watched the jumbotron, and tried to move at the last second.

That being said, I can't prove this, and none of the videos posted prove it, despite what many are trying to say.

Just what "is not at all what is on that video?"

I do notice that your recap omits what I covered- "THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so-" which occurs immediately before his little leap to the left.

Do you not see that??

Check it again.

It's a natural movement for someone who is standing with their feet together. If they are going to jump to their left, they shift to their right first.

Right.

Especially when one knows that stepping to the right will put them further onto the field and into the runners way.

Edited to add- I'm still looking for the video that shows Tomlin beaming like the Cheshire cat after this play...

Smiling gif after

http://tinyurl.com/nhkx6ms

 

[Short Corner]

This is a big one here for the NFL. Goodell has no problem laying huge fines and suspensions on players. What Tomlin did was a total bush league move and could have impacted the outcome of the game and playoff race. Tomlin has to be suspended at least 2 games along with fines and loss of a draft pick. In fact Tomlin should get the same punishment as the Jest coach.

I hate the Steelers as much as the next guy, but why the loss of draft pick? When a player blantantly violates the rules and injures another player, there's no loss of draft pick. this is a tomlin issue, not a Steeler organization issue.

Head coaches should be held head and shoulders above their players. He should be more severely punished since he is supposed to be a leader of men. They represent the team and are in management, he is also part of the competition committee he should receive the biggest possible penalty and the team should receive one too.

This is in the same vein as Spygate. What Tomlin did is not the same as a player, intentionally or unintentionally, hitting another player above the shoulders while in the field of play. A coach has no business stepping on the field while the ball is in play. There is NO EXCUSE for this and anyone that says otherwise is a blatant homer.

The problem is that the NFL has been very lax about enforcing this. My season tickets are behind the opponents sideline and you will see coaches in the white area and on the field every game. 99% of the time it is away from the play and has no effect but it still occurs.

I am not a mind reader so I don't know for sure if Tomlin intentionally interfered or not but the fact is he did interfere and deserves to be fined heavily and possibly suspended a game or two. Talks of a lengthy suspension or losing draft picks is a bit excessive though.

If the NFL wants to prevent this sort of thing they should start policing the white area better and start throwing flags.

The league had warned teams about sideline interference the day before the Tomlin incident

Yet they didn't throw a flag on that play or on any other game. That's my point, i guarantee coaches will stay where they're supposed to be if the officials start throwing 15 yard flags

I guarantee they will still try and get away with it if they can get a player to break stride and prevent a score.

I don't think that coaches interference is an epidemic problem in the NFL. This situation, whether you believe Tomlin did it on purpose or not, occurred because the NFL has a rule that they don't enforce. It was an easy call for the official to throw a flag on Tomlin for merely being in the white yet no penalty was called and the reason is because coaches are always standing in the white area and officials never penalize it.

The white area on the sideline is supposed to be for officials only -- if they start throwing 15 yard penalties coaches will get the point very quick and they'll make sure that they and their coaching staff stay out of the white and you won't see any more of this nonsense.

Flagging them for being on the white is fine. When they go beyond that, the punishment should as well. This one of those things you address once and nobody thinks of doing it again

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I really wouldn't mind seeing something like a 1 year suspension. The NFL doesn't have the stones to do it to the Steelers, but it would be nice to see some justice.

 

[Godsbrother]

I really wouldn't mind seeing something like a 1 year suspension. The NFL doesn't have the stones to do it to the Steelers, but it would be nice to see some justice.

Not enough. $1 million fine, lifelong suspension and vacating all wins by the Steelers organization under Tomlin, including Super Bowl XIII.

Only then will justice be served

 

[Bayhawks]

VIDEO: New angle of Mike Tomlin-Jacoby Jones interference

Why THIS link isn't getting more love is beyond me. After Tomlin first moves his right foot to the edge of the sideline- and just onto the field of play- he shifts his left foot closer to his right foot- assuming an "attention" position. He turns his head slightly towards the field as though watching behind him with his peripheral vision, THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so- and jumps back to his left like he touched a hot stove with his foot.

Totally knew what he was doing.

Except that is not at all what is on that video.

.10-Can't see Tomlin, but you can barely see the toe of a foot on the edge of the playing field (well downfield). It would turn out to be Tomlin's foot.

.11-first time Tomlin can be seen. His right foot is just on the field. His back is to the play, & he is looking towards the jumbotron (presumably). Jones is maybe 25 yards away from him at this point.

.12-Tomlin's left foot moves close to his right foot. Left foot is not on field, but very close to right foot. Tomlin is still looking away and up towards the jumbotron. It would be impossible for his "peripheral" vision to see Jones, as he is almost directly behind him at this point.

.13-Tomlin starts to look back towards his right (or over his right shoulder). At this point, he can probably see Jones (or at least other players) heading towards him.

.14-Tomlin jumps to his left, at the last second. Jones moves back towards his right & is tackled. If you've ever stood with your feet together and then tried to jump one way or the other, you'd know that it is natural to shift AWAY from the direction you are jumping in order to jump. It's one of the "instincts" that has to be beaten out of student-athletes when having them do plyometric drills; they need to explode from 1 point to another, without "setting" themselves. When a person (Tomlin) is not in a ready position, and needs to move quickly in one direction, he/she will almost always shift themselves away from that direction first.

Again, I think Tomlin intentionally positioned himself. I think he saw the play unfolding, positioned himself with his back to the play along the sideline, watched the jumbotron, and tried to move at the last second.

That being said, I can't prove this, and none of the videos posted prove it, despite what many are trying to say.

Just what "is not at all what is on that video?"

I do notice that your recap omits what I covered- "THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so-" which occurs immediately before his little leap to the left.

Do you not see that??

Check it again.

It's a natural movement for someone who is standing with their feet together. If they are going to jump to their left, they shift to their right first.

Right.

Especially when one knows that stepping to the right will put them further onto the field and into the runners way.

Edited to add- I'm still looking for the video that shows Tomlin beaming like the Cheshire cat after this play...

You can find all the gifs of Tomlin smiling that you want. It doesn't PROVE anything.

Proof doesn't matter anyway. Goodell has absolute power & doesn't need "proof" to punish Tomlin.

Those of you asking for multiple game suspension will be disappointed, I think. The Steelers, like the Pats, Giants, etc are "NFL royalty." Goodell will fine Tomlin, probably the Steelers. He might even take a pick from them (I doubt it, though), but I don't see him suspending him.

 

[mbuehner]

For christs sake- nobody else was doing a crazy box step for no apparent reason instead of watching the play like a normal human being (and everybody else on the sideline). That alone is evidence enough. And the idea that a football coach forgot which direction the field was in is beyond ludicrous.

 

[Godsbrother]

For christs sake- nobody else was doing a crazy box step for no apparent reason instead of watching the play like a normal human being (and everybody else on the sideline). That alone is evidence enough. And the idea that a football coach forgot which direction the field was in is beyond ludicrous.

For what it is worth I don't think Tomlin ever said this.

According to Tomlin, he routinely stands at the same yard line and once the ball is kicked watches the return on the jumbotron for every kick. The difference in this case, according to Tomlin, was that he started too close to the field to begin with and didn't realize he was on the field of play until he saw himself enter the picture and that is when he looked over his shoulder and jumped out of the way. The half step towards the field was because his legs were together and was a natural movement in order to jump the other way.

Apparently the league office is reviewing tape from other games to see if Tomlin routinely watches kickoffs from the same position and looking at the jumbotron.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I really wouldn't mind seeing something like a 1 year suspension. The NFL doesn't have the stones to do it to the Steelers, but it would be nice to see some justice.

Not enough. $1 million fine, lifelong suspension and vacating all wins by the Steelers organization under Tomlin, including Super Bowl XIII.

Only then will justice be served

That's probably going a little too far.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

VIDEO: New angle of Mike Tomlin-Jacoby Jones interference

Why THIS link isn't getting more love is beyond me. After Tomlin first moves his right foot to the edge of the sideline- and just onto the field of play- he shifts his left foot closer to his right foot- assuming an "attention" position. He turns his head slightly towards the field as though watching behind him with his peripheral vision, THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so- and jumps back to his left like he touched a hot stove with his foot.

Totally knew what he was doing.

Except that is not at all what is on that video.

.10-Can't see Tomlin, but you can barely see the toe of a foot on the edge of the playing field (well downfield). It would turn out to be Tomlin's foot.

.11-first time Tomlin can be seen. His right foot is just on the field. His back is to the play, & he is looking towards the jumbotron (presumably). Jones is maybe 25 yards away from him at this point.

.12-Tomlin's left foot moves close to his right foot. Left foot is not on field, but very close to right foot. Tomlin is still looking away and up towards the jumbotron. It would be impossible for his "peripheral" vision to see Jones, as he is almost directly behind him at this point.

.13-Tomlin starts to look back towards his right (or over his right shoulder). At this point, he can probably see Jones (or at least other players) heading towards him.

.14-Tomlin jumps to his left, at the last second. Jones moves back towards his right & is tackled. If you've ever stood with your feet together and then tried to jump one way or the other, you'd know that it is natural to shift AWAY from the direction you are jumping in order to jump. It's one of the "instincts" that has to be beaten out of student-athletes when having them do plyometric drills; they need to explode from 1 point to another, without "setting" themselves. When a person (Tomlin) is not in a ready position, and needs to move quickly in one direction, he/she will almost always shift themselves away from that direction first.

Again, I think Tomlin intentionally positioned himself. I think he saw the play unfolding, positioned himself with his back to the play along the sideline, watched the jumbotron, and tried to move at the last second.

That being said, I can't prove this, and none of the videos posted prove it, despite what many are trying to say.

Just what "is not at all what is on that video?"

I do notice that your recap omits what I covered- "THEN quickly moves his right foot out onto the field- another six inches or so-" which occurs immediately before his little leap to the left.

Do you not see that??

Check it again.

It's a natural movement for someone who is standing with their feet together. If they are going to jump to their left, they shift to their right first.

Right.

Especially when one knows that stepping to the right will put them further onto the field and into the runners way.

Edited to add- I'm still looking for the video that shows Tomlin beaming like the Cheshire cat after this play...

You can find all the gifs of Tomlin smiling that you want. It doesn't PROVE anything.

Proof doesn't matter anyway. Goodell has absolute power & doesn't need "proof" to punish Tomlin.

Those of you asking for multiple game suspension will be disappointed, I think. The Steelers, like the Pats, Giants, etc are "NFL royalty." Goodell will fine Tomlin, probably the Steelers. He might even take a pick from them (I doubt it, though), but I don't see him suspending him.

Yes, we can still hope though.

 

[mbuehner]

Is it possible Tomlin was getting ready to hit a pinata right before the kickoff and had been blindfolded and spun around? Come on everything he was doing was odd. You realize youre about to be run over by a speeding football player your first instinct is to start moving in the direction of safety. Not... whatever that was.

 

[RUSF18]

I've done a lot of jumping in my 30 years, and I don't recall ever moving one leg away from the side I intend to jump towards in order to accomplish said jump.

 

[bryhamm]

I've done a lot of jumping in my 30 years, and I don't recall ever moving one leg away from the side I intend to jump towards in order to accomplish said jump.

You're doing it wrong then

 

[GregR]

I just watched all the kickoffs in the game in question on NFL Rewind on the coaches film, as well as all kickoffs in the Steelers game the previous week against Cleveland.

The vast majority of the time, Tomlin walks down to the 35 as if he is watching to make sure the kicking team is not offsides, and then he walks back upfield facing the returner as he watches the play on the field. He was pretty consistent in doing that. He sometimes wanders down the middle of the white area when doing so.

As far as what the coaches film showed on the specific return in question, Tomlin is late heading down to his normal vantage point. When the ball is kicked Tomlin is walking behind the ref at the 45, and has a full yard of green between himself and the start of the white area.

He's off camera then, and in both angles, by the time he is back on camera he is already standing still at the edge of the field. So the recently released video shows more in terms of him moving over to the field.

I only watched 2 games worth, but facing away from the return would be the opposite of his normal behavior from what I see.

 

[Copeman]

I just watched all the kickoffs in the game in question on NFL Rewind on the coaches film, as well as all kickoffs in the Steelers game the previous week against Cleveland.

The vast majority of the time, Tomlin walks down to the 35 as if he is watching to make sure the kicking team is not offsides, and then he walks back upfield facing the returner as he watches the play on the field. He was pretty consistent in doing that. He sometimes wanders down the middle of the white area when doing so.

As far as what the coaches film showed on the specific return in question, Tomlin is late heading down to his normal vantage point. When the ball is kicked Tomlin is walking behind the ref at the 45, and has a full yard of green between himself and the start of the white area.

He's off camera then, and in both angles, by the time he is back on camera he is already standing still at the edge of the field. So the recently released video shows more in terms of him moving over to the field.

I only watched 2 games worth, but facing away from the return would be the opposite of his normal behavior from what I see.

Was the jumbotron in the same area of the field in each instance?

 

[ebsteelers]

I wouldn't mind seeing something like a 10 game suspension. The NFL should take this seriously.

steeler fans wouldnt mind giving him a 10 game suspension here.

 

[GregR]

I just watched all the kickoffs in the game in question on NFL Rewind on the coaches film, as well as all kickoffs in the Steelers game the previous week against Cleveland.

The vast majority of the time, Tomlin walks down to the 35 as if he is watching to make sure the kicking team is not offsides, and then he walks back upfield facing the returner as he watches the play on the field. He was pretty consistent in doing that. He sometimes wanders down the middle of the white area when doing so.

As far as what the coaches film showed on the specific return in question, Tomlin is late heading down to his normal vantage point. When the ball is kicked Tomlin is walking behind the ref at the 45, and has a full yard of green between himself and the start of the white area.

He's off camera then, and in both angles, by the time he is back on camera he is already standing still at the edge of the field. So the recently released video shows more in terms of him moving over to the field.

I only watched 2 games worth, but facing away from the return would be the opposite of his normal behavior from what I see.

Was the jumbotron in the same area of the field in each instance?

Both stadiums have equal sized jumbotrons at both ends of the stadium according to photos of the stadiums. This is the only kickoff I saw him face away from a returner.

Can't say definitively he never watched a return on a screen, due to the distance of the camera shot and there being a screen behind each end zone in the same general direction as the returner.

But on returns to the opposite side of the field where he'd have to look across the field rather than towards where the screen was, it seemed like he was watching the play on the field directly.

 

[Faust]

Mike Tomlin: Actions were 'embarrassing, inexcusable'

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I just watched all the kickoffs in the game in question on NFL Rewind on the coaches film, as well as all kickoffs in the Steelers game the previous week against Cleveland.

The vast majority of the time, Tomlin walks down to the 35 as if he is watching to make sure the kicking team is not offsides, and then he walks back upfield facing the returner as he watches the play on the field. He was pretty consistent in doing that. He sometimes wanders down the middle of the white area when doing so.

As far as what the coaches film showed on the specific return in question, Tomlin is late heading down to his normal vantage point. When the ball is kicked Tomlin is walking behind the ref at the 45, and has a full yard of green between himself and the start of the white area.

He's off camera then, and in both angles, by the time he is back on camera he is already standing still at the edge of the field. So the recently released video shows more in terms of him moving over to the field.

I only watched 2 games worth, but facing away from the return would be the opposite of his normal behavior from what I see.

Honestly, what kind of amateur would stand with his back to the field of play half on the endge of the white/green line while a kickoff is in action?

Unless it wasn't an amateur but instead an experienced vet and coach who knew damned well when the returner would be coming up the field right behind him.

I bet the Rooneys are very much not cool with this.

 

[Copeman]

Mike Tomlin: Actions were 'embarrassing, inexcusable'

"If Tomlin did intentionally interfere with Jones, his news conference behavior would then suggest he's the best actor in the league."

 

[GoodLloydHaveMercy]

Pittsburgh's KDKA angle to ME makes it look definitive that it was intentional... Best angle I have seen

http://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/video?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=9589943

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Mike Tomlin: Actions were 'embarrassing, inexcusable'

"If Tomlin did intentionally interfere with Jones, his news conference behavior would then suggest he's the best actor in the league."

He did. You know it, everyone else does too.

 

[yellowdog]

Tomlin on Sirius with Rich Gannon & Bruce Murray

 

[roadkill1292]

I really wouldn't mind seeing something like a 1 year suspension. The NFL doesn't have the stones to do it to the Steelers, but it would be nice to see some justice.

Not enough. $1 million fine, lifelong suspension and vacating all wins by the Steelers organization under Tomlin, including Super Bowl XIII.

Only then will justice be served

The NFL had better tread pretty lightly in this case, seeing as how an even bigger and more sinister organization is behind the Rooneys.

 

[Short Corner]

I've done a lot of jumping in my 30 years, and I don't recall ever moving one leg away from the side I intend to jump towards in order to accomplish said jump.

You're doing it wrong then

He's actually doing it right.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Tomlin's attempt at damage control, still acting like it was unintentional, is laughable.

 

[Gvindy]

I really wouldn't mind seeing something like a 1 year suspension. The NFL doesn't have the stones to do it to the Steelers, but it would be nice to see some justice.

Not enough. $1 million fine, lifelong suspension and vacating all wins by the Steelers organization under Tomlin, including Super Bowl XIII.

Only then will justice be served

The NFL had better tread pretty lightly in this case, seeing as how an even bigger and more sinister organization is behind the Rooneys.

Irish Mafia?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I really wouldn't mind seeing something like a 1 year suspension. The NFL doesn't have the stones to do it to the Steelers, but it would be nice to see some justice.

Not enough. $1 million fine, lifelong suspension and vacating all wins by the Steelers organization under Tomlin, including Super Bowl XIII.

Only then will justice be served

The NFL had better tread pretty lightly in this case, seeing as how an even bigger and more sinister organization is behind the Rooneys.

Irish Mafia?

Uhm, yeah... annnnd?

 

[GregR]

I really wouldn't mind seeing something like a 1 year suspension. The NFL doesn't have the stones to do it to the Steelers, but it would be nice to see some justice.

Not enough. $1 million fine, lifelong suspension and vacating all wins by the Steelers organization under Tomlin, including Super Bowl XIII.

Only then will justice be served

The NFL had better tread pretty lightly in this case, seeing as how an even bigger and more sinister organization is behind the Rooneys.

Irish Mafia?

Uhm, yeah... annnnd?

The Boyscouts?

 

[Copeman]

Link

 

[Godsbrother]

I really wouldn't mind seeing something like a 1 year suspension. The NFL doesn't have the stones to do it to the Steelers, but it would be nice to see some justice.

Not enough. $1 million fine, lifelong suspension and vacating all wins by the Steelers organization under Tomlin, including Super Bowl XIII.

Only then will justice be served

The NFL had better tread pretty lightly in this case, seeing as how an even bigger and more sinister organization is behind the Rooneys.

Irish Mafia?

Uhm, yeah... annnnd?

The Boyscouts?

Dan Rooney re-organized the IRA when he was the ambassador to Ireland. There will be blood