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Mike Williams Bandwagon starts here? (1 Viewer)
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I must give you credit for that obscure Diop reference. It admit it made me chuckle. I think BMW did get his wake-up call. But I think it may have been more from Rogers getting cut and then NOT getting signed by another team. Now I think he just needs to build his confidence on the field with some big plays.I also really like how Roy Williams is supporting him. Roy has openly lobbied to get him on the field. He never did that for Rogers or any other Detroit WR. Roy wants Mike because he believes he is the most talented #2 that can prevent double teams. This endorsement does give some credibility to the reports that Mike is improving his game in practice.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
That was my point. His game reminds of of Don Bebee in many ways but he doesn't get separation like Beebe would have. Hence the poor man's Beebe reference.
Wreckincrew
Footballguy
I thought the issue with releasing him & Rogers at the same time was the salary cap hit BMW would have had. The rumor was that they were going to hold on to him this season and cut him in the offseason to minimize the cap hit.
5Rings
Lurker
I like the JJ Stokes reference. Big, slow plowhorses outta SCExcept its to be seen if Williams has any heart or not.Nobody likes my comparison of Mike Williams & Mikhael Ricks?
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Amnd what evidence is there that MWilliams can?Stokes and Ricks had good catch percentages in college - just like Mike Williams.Mike Williams has a 50% catch percentage in the NFL - that is crap for an NFL WR.
Lord of Football
Footballguy
T.O. B. Edwardsand Chambers all have LESS than 50% catch percentage this year.They are not all crap
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
1) At least TO and Chambers are established NFL receivers2) Yes, that is crap.3) At least with TO and Chambers, their career catch percentages are higher than 50%
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
I can't. but i do recall JJ Stokes putting up some nice numbers in college.
tombonneau
Footballguy
You can knock BMW for his (lack of) speed, routes, failure to gain separation, but one thing the dude has is hands. Anyone who saw him at USC can attest to that. And you don't all of a sudden forget how to catch a football.I love him at SC and am really bummed out that he has flopped so far. But I still think (hope) he can turn it around. Also agree that if you want to take a flier on him, now is the week.Marc Levin said:
Lord of Football
Footballguy
But this is not a debate of establised receivers, this is about the last roster spot that someone has on their team. Who could possibly be a better risk than BMW? Curry? Gado? Welker? A defense? You have to be kidding me!Marc Levin said:
While I don't have access to video I do recall Stokes finishing well the last week of the year and everyone chatting about it in FF the next preseason. So put me down for a nice catch in week 17 one year
a_rackowski
Footballguy
Just a reminder that we are strapped in and ready to go. Over the next 2 weeks, I think we are going to see the real mike williams.
It only takes one catch during the game to remember what its all about when you hear that road crowd.
It only takes one catch during the game to remember what its all about when you hear that road crowd.
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Gandalf
Footballguy
I'm on the bandwagon. I took a flier on Mike Williams after Bradford got cut by dropping my second defense, which was the Pats. We'll see, but for the price of a free agent move a former top 10 pick seems worth it to me. Basically Mike Williams value can only go up or stay the same, it can't get worse because owners in my league have no expectations for him.
a_rackowski
Footballguy
Last Call.
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
How'd this fall off the first page? 
a_rackowski
Footballguy
YEah this hasnt turned out too well for my prediction
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
lod2005 said:
They scored 34 points and Furrey had eight catches. Wide receiver is not the problem. In fact it's one of their few strengths.a_rackowski
Footballguy
This is my last attempt at the Mike Williams Bandwagon. Its coming guys Mike Williams is going to be a star in this league. If he is on your waiver wire pick him up. Why should you listen to me? I dont know. But I do know that Mike Williams is going to show us why he was picked so high sometime this season and it will be sooner rather than later.
Head coach to defensive co-ordinator: We need to game plan against the Lions this week.DC: Done, I am double teaming Roy and that bum on the otherside will run free because he SCARES NO ONE.HC: But what about Mike Williams?DC: It's the Lions, when have those buffoons ever done anything correctly, BMW sits is on their bench.HC & DC:
HC: Great job, looks like an easy win.HC & DC: 
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
Increased practice time for Williams didn't lead to action vs. Rams
Tuesday, October 03, 2006
By Tom Kowalski
ALLEN PARK -- This story might be more compelling if Mike Williams played linebacker or defensive back, but it's an interesting little yarn anyway -- with a surprise ending.
The Detroit Lions, after falling to 0-4 with a 41-34 loss to the St. Louis Rams on Sunday, are desperate to find some defensive help. But, there's something remarkable going on at the wide receiver position.
During practice last week, Mike Williams rotated with Mike Furrey at the "Z'' receiver position with the starting offense. When the Lions went to their three-receiver formation, Mike Williams was at "Z," Furrey was in the slot and Roy Williams was at his normal "X" position.
"(Mike Williams) caught a lot of passes in practice and he looked good," said Roy Williams. "I thought he was going to play (against the Rams)."
Said Furrey: "I definitely thought he was going to play. He looked pretty good."
There were also times during practice Wednesday through Friday last week that Az Hakim would be in the "Z'' spot in the nickel formation, but the bulk of repetitions went to Mike Williams. It was a noteworthy change because Williams, last year's first-round draft pick, was inactive for Detroit's first two games and took part in only a handful of plays in the third game.
The coaching staff had limited Williams' playing time because they weren't happy about him being 10 pounds overweight or his inconsistent practice habits. But Williams' increased participation in practice appeared to show that the staff was going to give him an opportunity to play.
However, then something happened. And none of the players is sure what it was.
At a meeting on Saturday, receivers coach Kippy Brown handed out a depth chart to the receivers -- something Mike Williams said had not been done before any other game this season. Mike Williams said he was so confident he was going to have some kind of role in the offense on Sunday that he didn't even look at the depth chart.
In hindsight, he says he should've known better.
During the two-minute drill on Friday (which is the final drill of practice), they took me out and put (Shaun) Bodiford in and I wondered about that," Williams said.
When one of his teammates told Williams that he should take a look at the depth chart, Williams saw his name at the bottom, below Bodiford, a rookie undrafted free agent. While Bodiford got about a dozen plays in the second half against the Rams, Mike Williams never stepped on the field.
Lions head coach Rod Marinelli spoke at his weekly press conference Monday, but that was before the Mike Williams situation became known. After Sunday's game, Marinelli was asked about Williams being active but said it was because he might be needed as a backup on special teams.
"If I go with the first team and I'm opposite of Roy all week in practice and I come in on Saturday and things are totally different, I can't control that," Mike Williams said. "That's what it is, just keep working."
Roy Williams, for at least the third time this season, is publicly asking the coaching staff to play Mike Williams.
"Why would you have a 6-5 body on the sidelines sporting a (clean) uniform? That's just my opinion. He's 6-5, he was drafted in the top 10, why is he sitting there?" Roy Williams said Monday. "I think he can help us out a lot. If you ever watch his college highlight film, he runs a lot of posts, a big body like that across the middle. All you've got to do is throw it up and he'll come down with the grab. That's what I want to see him do in this offense. This offense fits him."
Receiver isn't a position where the Lions have a desperate need for help: Roy Williams had nine catches for 139 yards against the Rams and Furrey caught a couple of touchdown passes. But Roy Williams believes Mike Williams can make the Lions offense even more explosive.
"He's done a great job in practice for the last three weeks now," Roy Williams said. "But it's not my call. I'm not saying he's got to be the starter or even the third receiver, but he has to fit in some way. These corners are 5-10 and he's 6-5. That's just my opinion.
"Mike's doing everything he's supposed to do. Is it good enough? No. But there a lot of guys who aren't practicing good enough and are still playing."
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And then this on Rotowire (update - 10/5):
Lions' head coach Rod Marinelli said Williams has been practicing well, and the coaches are very encouraged, the Detroit Free Press reports.
Recommendation:
"He's doing a good job right now," Marinelli said. "He's getting better and better. His practice speed is good. He's really been very precise right now. It's exciting." Williams was inactive in the first two games, played only briefly in the third game, and sat out the Lions' fourth game. Mike Furrey has established himself as the second receiver, but these comments from Marinelli, coming on the heels of another vote of confidence from Roy Williams, are very encouraging.
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Not sure whether to pick this guy up for not. The whole thing is about as clear as mud. If he plays, then I think he has the chance to put up some numbers in that offense. But, its hard to burn a roster spot on a guy who hasn't shown the ability to endear his coaching staff to the degree that they trust him to be part of the offense.
Tuesday, October 03, 2006
By Tom Kowalski
ALLEN PARK -- This story might be more compelling if Mike Williams played linebacker or defensive back, but it's an interesting little yarn anyway -- with a surprise ending.
The Detroit Lions, after falling to 0-4 with a 41-34 loss to the St. Louis Rams on Sunday, are desperate to find some defensive help. But, there's something remarkable going on at the wide receiver position.
During practice last week, Mike Williams rotated with Mike Furrey at the "Z'' receiver position with the starting offense. When the Lions went to their three-receiver formation, Mike Williams was at "Z," Furrey was in the slot and Roy Williams was at his normal "X" position.
"(Mike Williams) caught a lot of passes in practice and he looked good," said Roy Williams. "I thought he was going to play (against the Rams)."
Said Furrey: "I definitely thought he was going to play. He looked pretty good."
There were also times during practice Wednesday through Friday last week that Az Hakim would be in the "Z'' spot in the nickel formation, but the bulk of repetitions went to Mike Williams. It was a noteworthy change because Williams, last year's first-round draft pick, was inactive for Detroit's first two games and took part in only a handful of plays in the third game.
The coaching staff had limited Williams' playing time because they weren't happy about him being 10 pounds overweight or his inconsistent practice habits. But Williams' increased participation in practice appeared to show that the staff was going to give him an opportunity to play.
However, then something happened. And none of the players is sure what it was.
At a meeting on Saturday, receivers coach Kippy Brown handed out a depth chart to the receivers -- something Mike Williams said had not been done before any other game this season. Mike Williams said he was so confident he was going to have some kind of role in the offense on Sunday that he didn't even look at the depth chart.
In hindsight, he says he should've known better.
During the two-minute drill on Friday (which is the final drill of practice), they took me out and put (Shaun) Bodiford in and I wondered about that," Williams said.
When one of his teammates told Williams that he should take a look at the depth chart, Williams saw his name at the bottom, below Bodiford, a rookie undrafted free agent. While Bodiford got about a dozen plays in the second half against the Rams, Mike Williams never stepped on the field.
Lions head coach Rod Marinelli spoke at his weekly press conference Monday, but that was before the Mike Williams situation became known. After Sunday's game, Marinelli was asked about Williams being active but said it was because he might be needed as a backup on special teams.
"If I go with the first team and I'm opposite of Roy all week in practice and I come in on Saturday and things are totally different, I can't control that," Mike Williams said. "That's what it is, just keep working."
Roy Williams, for at least the third time this season, is publicly asking the coaching staff to play Mike Williams.
"Why would you have a 6-5 body on the sidelines sporting a (clean) uniform? That's just my opinion. He's 6-5, he was drafted in the top 10, why is he sitting there?" Roy Williams said Monday. "I think he can help us out a lot. If you ever watch his college highlight film, he runs a lot of posts, a big body like that across the middle. All you've got to do is throw it up and he'll come down with the grab. That's what I want to see him do in this offense. This offense fits him."
Receiver isn't a position where the Lions have a desperate need for help: Roy Williams had nine catches for 139 yards against the Rams and Furrey caught a couple of touchdown passes. But Roy Williams believes Mike Williams can make the Lions offense even more explosive.
"He's done a great job in practice for the last three weeks now," Roy Williams said. "But it's not my call. I'm not saying he's got to be the starter or even the third receiver, but he has to fit in some way. These corners are 5-10 and he's 6-5. That's just my opinion.
"Mike's doing everything he's supposed to do. Is it good enough? No. But there a lot of guys who aren't practicing good enough and are still playing."
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And then this on Rotowire (update - 10/5):
Lions' head coach Rod Marinelli said Williams has been practicing well, and the coaches are very encouraged, the Detroit Free Press reports.
Recommendation:
"He's doing a good job right now," Marinelli said. "He's getting better and better. His practice speed is good. He's really been very precise right now. It's exciting." Williams was inactive in the first two games, played only briefly in the third game, and sat out the Lions' fourth game. Mike Furrey has established himself as the second receiver, but these comments from Marinelli, coming on the heels of another vote of confidence from Roy Williams, are very encouraging.
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Not sure whether to pick this guy up for not. The whole thing is about as clear as mud. If he plays, then I think he has the chance to put up some numbers in that offense. But, its hard to burn a roster spot on a guy who hasn't shown the ability to endear his coaching staff to the degree that they trust him to be part of the offense.
Lord of Football
Footballguy
Increased practice time for Williams didn't lead to action vs. RamsTuesday, October 03, 2006By Tom KowalskiALLEN PARK -- This story might be more compelling if Mike Williams played linebacker or defensive back, but it's an interesting little yarn anyway -- with a surprise ending.The Detroit Lions, after falling to 0-4 with a 41-34 loss to the St. Louis Rams on Sunday, are desperate to find some defensive help. But, there's something remarkable going on at the wide receiver position.During practice last week, Mike Williams rotated with Mike Furrey at the "Z'' receiver position with the starting offense. When the Lions went to their three-receiver formation, Mike Williams was at "Z," Furrey was in the slot and Roy Williams was at his normal "X" position. "(Mike Williams) caught a lot of passes in practice and he looked good," said Roy Williams. "I thought he was going to play (against the Rams)."Said Furrey: "I definitely thought he was going to play. He looked pretty good."There were also times during practice Wednesday through Friday last week that Az Hakim would be in the "Z'' spot in the nickel formation, but the bulk of repetitions went to Mike Williams. It was a noteworthy change because Williams, last year's first-round draft pick, was inactive for Detroit's first two games and took part in only a handful of plays in the third game.The coaching staff had limited Williams' playing time because they weren't happy about him being 10 pounds overweight or his inconsistent practice habits. But Williams' increased participation in practice appeared to show that the staff was going to give him an opportunity to play.However, then something happened. And none of the players is sure what it was.At a meeting on Saturday, receivers coach Kippy Brown handed out a depth chart to the receivers -- something Mike Williams said had not been done before any other game this season. Mike Williams said he was so confident he was going to have some kind of role in the offense on Sunday that he didn't even look at the depth chart.In hindsight, he says he should've known better.During the two-minute drill on Friday (which is the final drill of practice), they took me out and put (Shaun) Bodiford in and I wondered about that," Williams said.When one of his teammates told Williams that he should take a look at the depth chart, Williams saw his name at the bottom, below Bodiford, a rookie undrafted free agent. While Bodiford got about a dozen plays in the second half against the Rams, Mike Williams never stepped on the field.Lions head coach Rod Marinelli spoke at his weekly press conference Monday, but that was before the Mike Williams situation became known. After Sunday's game, Marinelli was asked about Williams being active but said it was because he might be needed as a backup on special teams. "If I go with the first team and I'm opposite of Roy all week in practice and I come in on Saturday and things are totally different, I can't control that," Mike Williams said. "That's what it is, just keep working."Roy Williams, for at least the third time this season, is publicly asking the coaching staff to play Mike Williams."Why would you have a 6-5 body on the sidelines sporting a (clean) uniform? That's just my opinion. He's 6-5, he was drafted in the top 10, why is he sitting there?" Roy Williams said Monday. "I think he can help us out a lot. If you ever watch his college highlight film, he runs a lot of posts, a big body like that across the middle. All you've got to do is throw it up and he'll come down with the grab. That's what I want to see him do in this offense. This offense fits him."Receiver isn't a position where the Lions have a desperate need for help: Roy Williams had nine catches for 139 yards against the Rams and Furrey caught a couple of touchdown passes. But Roy Williams believes Mike Williams can make the Lions offense even more explosive."He's done a great job in practice for the last three weeks now," Roy Williams said. "But it's not my call. I'm not saying he's got to be the starter or even the third receiver, but he has to fit in some way. These corners are 5-10 and he's 6-5. That's just my opinion."Mike's doing everything he's supposed to do. Is it good enough? No. But there a lot of guys who aren't practicing good enough and are still playing." -------------------------------------------------------------And then this on Rotowire (update - 10/5):Lions' head coach Rod Marinelli said Williams has been practicing well, and the coaches are very encouraged, the Detroit Free Press reports.Recommendation:"He's doing a good job right now," Marinelli said. "He's getting better and better. His practice speed is good. He's really been very precise right now. It's exciting." Williams was inactive in the first two games, played only briefly in the third game, and sat out the Lions' fourth game. Mike Furrey has established himself as the second receiver, but these comments from Marinelli, coming on the heels of another vote of confidence from Roy Williams, are very encouraging.---------------------------------------------------------------
Choooo! Choooo!
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Just FYI Chris Chambers career catch percentage is barely above 50%
He needs an awful lot of targets to have a good game. He has been one of the Wrs with the highest targets of anybody over the past few years.
This year he is 6th overall in total targets after 4 weeks with 38. He has caught 16 of those targets. 42%
Even Troy Williamson has a 47% and he has been butterfingers.
In any case Mike Williams might have more talent that Furrey.. well maybe.. and it is possible that he will start getting some of Furrey's targets even though Furrey has done every thing to earn his role in the offense while BMW has not.
So far BMW has been targeted ONCE and he didn't catch it.
Furrey has 30 targets and has caught 22 of them 73%
I think Martz likes Az Hakim in the slot 3rd Wr role so I don't see BMW competing with him for that role.
Maybe he has moved up to 4th Wr on the depth chart?
I'm not seeing a lot of reason for optimism here much less a bandwagon.
He needs an awful lot of targets to have a good game. He has been one of the Wrs with the highest targets of anybody over the past few years.
This year he is 6th overall in total targets after 4 weeks with 38. He has caught 16 of those targets. 42%
Even Troy Williamson has a 47% and he has been butterfingers.
In any case Mike Williams might have more talent that Furrey.. well maybe.. and it is possible that he will start getting some of Furrey's targets even though Furrey has done every thing to earn his role in the offense while BMW has not.
So far BMW has been targeted ONCE and he didn't catch it.
Furrey has 30 targets and has caught 22 of them 73%
I think Martz likes Az Hakim in the slot 3rd Wr role so I don't see BMW competing with him for that role.
Maybe he has moved up to 4th Wr on the depth chart?
I'm not seeing a lot of reason for optimism here much less a bandwagon.
The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
That is a weird article. The guy is so lazy that when the coach hands out a depth chart he doesn't bother to read it?
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
from rotoworldLooks like the "bandwagon" lost another member.
Martz likes losing. No need for BMW. He'll get to play on a team with a clue next year. The Lions are a disaster only equaled by the current Raiders. Martz whole egomaniac plan is to get pudinelli fired and the pud has no idea. That dude is in WAY OVER HIS HEAD.
perry147
Footballguy
I am way ahead of that - I dropped him months ago while in training camp.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
"(In Detroit), it got down to a numbers game. It was either me or (former first-round pick) Mike Williams, and you know, I'm not a million-dollar man, so I got the old heave- ho," said Bodiford, who played in three games without a catch for the Lions before being waived Saturday. "(Lions offensive coordinator) Mike Martz called me on my cell phone, he's like, 'This was the last thing we wanted to do. It's a numbers game. We can't release Mike Williams.'
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/pac...php?ntid=104696
http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/pac...php?ntid=104696
Spartans Rule
Footballguy
Apparently Mike Williams did forget. 2 catches, 4 drops vs. Chicago - including the game-winner.I can't wait until they can afford to cut this clown. He'll never be half as good as Furrey.
next time you spout off, watch the game beforehand. You won't look so stupid. He did have 2 drops but so did Roy Williams. The rest of the passes were just awful. The last play was basically a throw it up for grabs and the DB made a good play on the ball. It wasn't even close to a drop. The ####### announcers even said he dropped a pass thrown 10 feet high that he actually was able to get his fingers on. On that play he was wide open and kitna is so awful that he couldn't even get the ball close to him.
If you did watch the game, get a refund on your eyes. You got ripped off.
If you did watch the game, get a refund on your eyes. You got ripped off.
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