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Mike Williams starting for Detroit? (1 Viewer)
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Starting what? His Escalade to look for a new job?
Mike Williams won't be #2 on the Lions SECOND team.
He's been running behind Bradford, Glenn Martinez & Mike Furrey all offseason. Isn't it strange that two entirely different coaching regimes have thought so little of Mike????
Him not getting released has to do with money and nothing more.
He's been running behind Bradford, Glenn Martinez & Mike Furrey all offseason. Isn't it strange that two entirely different coaching regimes have thought so little of Mike????
Him not getting released has to do with money and nothing more.
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Gandalf
Footballguy
Here's something interesting on Mike Williams from KFFL:
Lions | M. Williams still being fined
Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:32:04 -0700
Nicholas J. Cotsonika, of the Detroit Free Press, reports Detroit Lions WR Mike Williams is still being fined for being overweight. Williams appears headed in the right direction and the Lions would be willing to reassess the situation if his progress reaches a certain point. The Lions wanted him to report to training camp this season at 220 pounds. But July 29, the second day of camp, Williams said he "missed by a couple of pounds," and it is believed he reported at 229. That's the weight the Lions list for Williams on their official Web site. In the offseason, the Lions reduced Williams' weight target to 220. Several Lions were asked to lose weight because new offensive coordinator Mike Martz's system is so physically demanding, but Lions president Matt Millen said July 26 the players' targets came from body-composition testing. Williams worked on his weight while apparently feeling the target was too aggressive. He has said he hasn't been 220 since high school and hopes to be below 225. He indicated the Lions were willing to compromise if he continued to lose weight. Lions head coach Rod Marinelli said Wednesday, Aug. 16, that Williams had been on time for everything in camp, but he didn't say much about Williams' weight, his lack of playing time Friday night or his spot on the depth chart.
Lions | M. Williams still being fined
Wed, 16 Aug 2006 18:32:04 -0700
Nicholas J. Cotsonika, of the Detroit Free Press, reports Detroit Lions WR Mike Williams is still being fined for being overweight. Williams appears headed in the right direction and the Lions would be willing to reassess the situation if his progress reaches a certain point. The Lions wanted him to report to training camp this season at 220 pounds. But July 29, the second day of camp, Williams said he "missed by a couple of pounds," and it is believed he reported at 229. That's the weight the Lions list for Williams on their official Web site. In the offseason, the Lions reduced Williams' weight target to 220. Several Lions were asked to lose weight because new offensive coordinator Mike Martz's system is so physically demanding, but Lions president Matt Millen said July 26 the players' targets came from body-composition testing. Williams worked on his weight while apparently feeling the target was too aggressive. He has said he hasn't been 220 since high school and hopes to be below 225. He indicated the Lions were willing to compromise if he continued to lose weight. Lions head coach Rod Marinelli said Wednesday, Aug. 16, that Williams had been on time for everything in camp, but he didn't say much about Williams' weight, his lack of playing time Friday night or his spot on the depth chart.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Corey Bradford will open as the #2. All indications were made to this when he signed, and nothing has happend to change this since. He started the preseason game as well. Martz likes Mike Furrey and Eddie Drummond in the slot (the Hakim role), leaving Mike Williams as a backup. They will probably keep Glenn Martinez because of his special teams work, and Charles Rogers looks to be the odd man out. Scottie Vines will go on the PUP.
Locally, it has been assumed Bradford is the #2 for months now, so ignore the PFW guy.
Locally, it has been assumed Bradford is the #2 for months now, so ignore the PFW guy.
coolnerd
Footballguy
I think it has been brought up before that some organizations believed that Williams was just a big guy who would have trouble staying small. It might probably easier for Williams to carry a healthy 240-245 than 220-225. The Lions are going to have adjust or move on.
So you're basing everything on college then? Things that happened 3-4 years ago (not to mention a 2 year hiatus). Then surely Cedric Benson > Thomas Jones, right?------------------Weight problem -- checkDesire problem -- checkAccountability problem -- checkBeing one of the slowest straight line running wide outs in the league -- checkBeing one of the slowest wideouts in the league in and out of his breaks -- checkDoubted by 2 totally different coaching staff -- checkTrailing a PS guy and 2005 safety on the depth chart -- checkWhen a QB gets 5 seconds to hold the ball, they might find Mike Williams about 10 yards downfield. He's painfully slow and that's not going to change with age. The very very best case scenario is he turns into JJ Stokes.gocats said:
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The Mollusk
Footballguy
RenegadeGM is correct.
The Lions do, however, seem to be coming around on BMW's use in the red zone, but Martz still thinks he has trouble getting in and out of his breaks (read: he's fat and slow). The following is from a Q&A with Tom Kowalski, one of the Lions' beat writers, on Detroit radio:
http://www.mlive.com/weblogs/highlightreel/
Q: Why not play Charles Rogers and Mike Williams more during the preseason?
A: This is the whole thing with the coaches: you have to earn it in practice. It's why Ernie Sims and Daniel Bullocks weren't in the starting lineup. I think Mike Williams is on safe ground now. He has shown enough in one game and in practice. He has only been here for one year, and he's shown some things.
I still think Charles Rogers is in danger. You can tell what they think of players by how much they are in the rotation. Today in practice with Roy Williams out, Glenn Martinez was the No. 1 WR. He hasn't been anywhere lower than No. 2. That tells you they like Glenn Martinez over Charles Rogers and Mike Williams.
Q: Mike Williams shouldn't be lumped in with Charles Rogers. The problems are drastically different. Mike Williams showed his ability down by the goalline - big body with good hands.
A: That goal line play is what they want him for. I agree with you. I don't think they can be lumped together. What put them together was their lack of work ethic. Last year they were both inactive because of their work habits. That's how they got lumped together. I think there's a little separation now. Mike Williams can make plays, but the problem is that Mike Martz is still not happy with his quickness getting in and out of breaks. That will be a bone of contention as we go along.
Q: Caller asks if Charles Rogers' lackluster performance and his false start will spell his demise.
A: Right now I don't think Rogers makes the team. He has to play his way on. I think he's done enough in training camp to play his way off the roster. He hasn't been bad, but he hasn't done anything to stand out.
Now, despite that, he has had two practices in which he challenged defenders and rise up, take the ball away, show flash. But, you can't do that here and there, you have to do that all the time. His lack of consistency hurts him. He has to bring it all the time. He'll have a great practice and then a mediocre one.
Q: Is there any chance Rogers knows he's going to be cut, and he's just fine with it? Maybe he's been that way since they wanted his bonus money.
A: His mindset is probably "if they're going to cut me then fine, I'll go somewhere else where they want me." When Roy Williams got the flanker position, after Rogers' injury, that became his first issue with this team. He didn't feel he was given the opportunity to get that spot back. In this offense it doesn't matter, anybody can get the ball, but that may have done the damage.
The Lions don't get cap relief if they win their judgment against Rogers. They only get the cap relief with what they actually get back. If I am Charles Rogers, I hide the money away anywhere I can. I don't think the Lions will be successful in collecting that money.
The Lions do, however, seem to be coming around on BMW's use in the red zone, but Martz still thinks he has trouble getting in and out of his breaks (read: he's fat and slow). The following is from a Q&A with Tom Kowalski, one of the Lions' beat writers, on Detroit radio:
http://www.mlive.com/weblogs/highlightreel/
Q: Why not play Charles Rogers and Mike Williams more during the preseason?
A: This is the whole thing with the coaches: you have to earn it in practice. It's why Ernie Sims and Daniel Bullocks weren't in the starting lineup. I think Mike Williams is on safe ground now. He has shown enough in one game and in practice. He has only been here for one year, and he's shown some things.
I still think Charles Rogers is in danger. You can tell what they think of players by how much they are in the rotation. Today in practice with Roy Williams out, Glenn Martinez was the No. 1 WR. He hasn't been anywhere lower than No. 2. That tells you they like Glenn Martinez over Charles Rogers and Mike Williams.
Q: Mike Williams shouldn't be lumped in with Charles Rogers. The problems are drastically different. Mike Williams showed his ability down by the goalline - big body with good hands.
A: That goal line play is what they want him for. I agree with you. I don't think they can be lumped together. What put them together was their lack of work ethic. Last year they were both inactive because of their work habits. That's how they got lumped together. I think there's a little separation now. Mike Williams can make plays, but the problem is that Mike Martz is still not happy with his quickness getting in and out of breaks. That will be a bone of contention as we go along.
Q: Caller asks if Charles Rogers' lackluster performance and his false start will spell his demise.
A: Right now I don't think Rogers makes the team. He has to play his way on. I think he's done enough in training camp to play his way off the roster. He hasn't been bad, but he hasn't done anything to stand out.
Now, despite that, he has had two practices in which he challenged defenders and rise up, take the ball away, show flash. But, you can't do that here and there, you have to do that all the time. His lack of consistency hurts him. He has to bring it all the time. He'll have a great practice and then a mediocre one.
Q: Is there any chance Rogers knows he's going to be cut, and he's just fine with it? Maybe he's been that way since they wanted his bonus money.
A: His mindset is probably "if they're going to cut me then fine, I'll go somewhere else where they want me." When Roy Williams got the flanker position, after Rogers' injury, that became his first issue with this team. He didn't feel he was given the opportunity to get that spot back. In this offense it doesn't matter, anybody can get the ball, but that may have done the damage.
The Lions don't get cap relief if they win their judgment against Rogers. They only get the cap relief with what they actually get back. If I am Charles Rogers, I hide the money away anywhere I can. I don't think the Lions will be successful in collecting that money.
twister101
Footballguy
why dont they just go ahead and make him a tight end and be done with it!
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
You do realize there is a big difference right? In college the system accounts for a good portion of a statistical outcome. You don't have to be the biggest and the badest, just play in the right system.Look at the best WRs in the game today:Holt, Harrison, Chad Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Chris Chambers, AnQuan Bolden and Steve Smith. Where did those guys go to school? I'll bet the average above-average football fan can tell me three. Of that group only Fitzgerald was completely dominate and Harrison had his moments. The rest were not superstars at the college level.Mike Williams is fat, he's got a bad attitude, and he just isn't that good. The minute the Lions drafted him I laughed out loud and said that they better hope the guy can become a TE. Great college WRs can be great in the pros like Randy Moss, decent in the pros like Anthony Carter, or terrible in the pros Jaquez Green. Mike Williams is a lot closer to Jaquez Green than he is anyone else.gocats said:
Holt (NCSt)was a superstar that ripped top rated defenses apart, I think he owned FSU for a couple of years.Chambers (Wisc) put up fantastic numbers on a run/run/run oriented offenseBoldin (FSU) was pretty darn good even with the injuryChad Johnson (OSU) couldn't be stopped.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Holt was a star in 1998 (ACC OPOY) and was the sixth overall pick so he was pretty good. Dominant? Johnson couldn't be stopped? Really? Remember he was a transfer from Langston and here are his numbers his senior year:
Chambers wasn't even 1st team big ten and Boldin was hurt. None of them was "dominant."
You may want to examine what you just posted because you apparently believe 100% everything you read.Corey BradfordMike FurreyGlenn MartinezDo you see greatness there? I don't. I see hack backups along with Corey 'Mr. Dropped Pass' Bradford. Williams will be ahead of those losers when all is said and done.Armando said:
Callas Disregard
Footballguy
Stop trying to justify a really bad post and just admit you screwed up. You're only making yourself look sillier. How can you say Holt wasn't dominant? Gee, he was OPOY of a major conference, single-handedly destroyed a national championship caliber team (FSU) 2 straight years, and was 6th overall pick in the draft -- and he wasn't dominant? Uh yes, that's dominant.Fitzgerald and Chambers were also dominant, and everyone knew who Boldin was at FSU and expected him to be dominant if healthy. It's not like Boldin came out of nowhere; he just got healthy and lived up to the potential everyone knew he had.
Callas Disregard
Footballguy
Just because a team would rather have Andre Johnson and Eric Moulds than Corey Bradford doesn't mean Bradford sucks. He's a good home-run hitter but doesn't have much of an intermediate game.
lions327
Footballguy
People underestimate how much missing a whole year of playing hurt him. Combine that with his being out of shape, injuries, and the general lack of professionalism and you have an underachiever. Hopefully he will mature and get better as the year goes on. He definitely has talent, and he made a nice catch in traffic in the first preseason game. He could be a dominant red zone WR if he ever gets in shape both physically and mentally. I think it will take some time, but he has the skills to be a solid NFL player. I personally think he will start at some point this year, but not right away.
Stokes was a #### and couldn't catch a football.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Calm down guy it's just a message board. Chambers was not dominant he wasn't even a first team Big ten WR. How is that dominant? Tell me how Chambers and Chad Johnson were dominant in college football.
What about Steve Smith???...(silence)Also please reread what I said about Fitzgerald. Holt was not dominant because outside of the Florida St games how good was NC St? Not very good. Holt was a very good college player but dominance is Heismen trophies, Biletnikoff awards and winning football games. Holt didn't win any of those and lost to Troy Edwards of all people (so edwards was dominant if Holt was) for the FB trophy.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Not a good thing when youre starting to compare him with Reggiegocats said:
I didn't know he played baseball.
RenegadeGM
Footballguy
Hey, that's all fine and good. Still doesn't change the fact he's taken every #2 snap since he signed.Nationally, it has been speculated he's going to be the #2 for months. Locally, it has just been assumed.
Foosball God
Foos
I wish they'd just make him a TE and be done with it.
I'd disagree on the stats equals being dominant. You said it yourself that being in the right system accounts for a good portion.The WR you mentioned were so dominate that defenses had to adjust their game plans around these WR. Big Ten defenses couldn't just but 9 in the box because Chambers was too fast and too big to single cover. So most defenses had to keep a safety deep because of him which no Def Coord wants to do when playing a team that will run off tackle 40 times a game.Holt was dominant in all aspects. Troy Edwards won because his team went to the air every play. His stats were off the charts.Johnson - was all over the field. The kid was something to see in that offense.Calm down guy it's just a message board. Chambers was not dominant he wasn't even a first team Big ten WR. How is that dominant? Tell me how Chambers and Chad Johnson were dominant in college football.
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
Mike Williams is just as fast as a guy like Keyshawn Johnson. There's definitely a place for him in this leage at the WR position, maybe even on the Lions. He just needs to be disciplined and work harder at it.
