Mike Williams WR DET... What Happens Now? (1 Viewer)

[mightyeskimo]

I agree with V1LL above. I just read where Williams is up over 240 again. I think he needs to prove he wants to play and shows some heart and dedication (to something more than Funions and Oreos).

So what if he's 240. He's 6'5" Thats not overweight IMO. Marques Coston is 6'4" 231. So Williams is and inch taller and 9 lbs heavier and he's a fatass?

a fatass and slow.

Jerry Rice was slow

No you didn't just compare Mike to Jerry!

 

[Loopdog]

to be honest, im surprised this doesnt happen more often

i have known lots of guys who played football in college only because the school was giving them money to do it and they didnt even enjoy playing anymore. Mike Williams very well could be the same way, only his college for most guys is the NFL. They are giving him millions to sign and play, is he gonna pass on that? Nope. So he'll just play until they cut him and get whatever money he can out of it, and then he'll go drift off into the real world and become a used car salesman or whatever he wants to do. Most NFL players LOVE to play, but with all that we've heard about Mike, it's quite obvious he doesn't love to play and that he is just collecting a paycheck

 

[V1LL]

. At some point and time don't you have to give a player positive feedback ...or encourage him by sending him back out onto the field after a dropped pass and look his way again?

I am not saying that he isn't fat or lazy. You can't argue against reports that have come out over and over again on this issue. Maybe what I've described above has been tried over and over? I don't know....I am just simply approaching this from a "corporate" angle like any employer would to their employees.

Signed,

BMW Owner

I would think a 13.5 million dollar contract with 10.5 guaranteed is enough "positive reinforcement"

 

[mightyeskimo]

You would think that Detroit would hire a nutritionalist and put Mike Williams on a strict diet. Literally tell him what he can and can't eat every day. Then make him do wind sprints and hit the scale every day. Maybe this has been tried and Williams just can't do it, Then again, with all the money they've thrown at him I guess I would try again before cutting him. There's got to be a way to motivate this guy. They need to do it and fast and I'm quite sure that keeping him "inactive" isn't working.

The big difference I see with Mike Williams is that he's not a Charles Rogers. He doesn't have a drug problem, just a food problem. He's not a troubled soul, he's just lazy. Lazy people can be motivated. He needs to be sent to boot camp and have a drill seargant yell at him for a couple of months.

I just can't see Williams learning how to block to be a TE. He's having trouble staying motivated at WR and that's a position he apparently wants to play.

I'm sure we would do that if we didn't have a GM that's an absolute moron!

 

[larz]

Not coincidentally, Mike Williams' last big game was the Thanksgiving game in 2005 when he put up 6/84 in the loss to Atlanta. He must have been motivated by the Madden turkey legs or something. Maybe that's the motivation he needs. The fans in the endzone are given burgers by the Lions and when Williams' scores he does a hamburg leap and chows down.

 

[Da Guru]

Fat and slow are not the traits you look for in a WR.

Williams worked out for 6 straight months before the draft. After he was drafted his work eithic went down the drain. Williams just won`t puch himself and the coaches are tired of wasting their time. They need to work with they guys who are going to be on the field.

The off-season is where you put in the work to hone your skills. Williams has not done that. During the season you are preparing players to play in the game on Sunday.

 

[Blitzkrieg914]

. At some point and time don't you have to give a player positive feedback ...or encourage him by sending him back out onto the field after a dropped pass and look his way again?

I am not saying that he isn't fat or lazy. You can't argue against reports that have come out over and over again on this issue. Maybe what I've described above has been tried over and over? I don't know....I am just simply approaching this from a "corporate" angle like any employer would to their employees.

Signed,

BMW Owner

I would think a 13.5 million dollar contract with 10.5 guaranteed is enough "positive reinforcement"

I knew this would be a response. A valid one, sure, but kind of missing my point. Maybe BMW is tired of hearing negative comments from the coaches and has just decided to collect his paycheck and move on? No matter how much you pay someone to do a job you are still going to have to deal with the personality of the individual. If you continue paying someone a salary, but talk down to or talk bad about a person eventually they are going to stop listening and become unmotivated. They will think that no matter what they do they won't be able to do it right, so why bother? Just collect a paycheck, put forth the most minimal amount of effort, and move on when done.

Again, I don't disagree with anything that has been said prior to my previous post...just kind of putting a different spin to the topic that hadn't been mentioned before.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

Not only did Mike Furrey take ahold of the job, he's top 20 for WRs in receptions and for what its worth, in fantasy points too. Anybody here think BMW can do that? Not a chance. Heck, I'm not sure he could do it if he dropped 25 lbs and was practicing hard.

As to him playing TE...if he wouldn't do it in college why we he be willing to put forth the effort to do it now.

BMW got his big contract. He can go smoke it all up with Ricky and Charles for all I care.

Quite simply, the NFL needs to get a grip on rookie salaries like the NBA has. Too many teams have to put too much risk into their top draft picks, when proven players are the ones that should be getting paid. I have no idea why the players union doesn't push a rookie salary structure. After all, the current players are the ones that support that union. Not college stars.

In a salary cap era, it ashamed that teams with high draft picks have so much risk in picking up guys that are complete unknowns, and can get burned for a mistake for years. Leaf, Akili, A Smith, BMW and on and on. Those signing bonuses and salaries hit the books for a long time, and put those teams in bad shape when they don't work out. Perhaps that's part of our sick joy out of the draft. But when our team is the one that's burned, it sucks.

 

[Blitzkrieg914]

Does anyone think this has to do with him being in Detroit? Would the same be said for him if he were playing close to home in California?

He hates California. He wanted to play (NFL) in his native Florida. The only reason he went to USC was because they weren't going to make him play TE.

Cali....Florida, whatever. You get what I was asking.....

 

[TwinTurbo]

We keep hearing how BMW is fat and lazy but I'd like to see him play in a couple of actual games before writing him off. The Lions are never going to motivate a guy like this unless he gets some minutes in a real game.

Also the coaching staff and beat writers are the sources for the fat & lazy comments. If you listen to the players, they all want BMW on the field, especially Roy Williams. I realize BMW is still raw and has a ways to go, but give the kid a shot in a real game and let's see what he's got. The Lions have no legit #3 WR at this point. Why not play BMW? At the very least, he has the potential to be a solid redzone target. Play Mike Furrey in between the 20's and send in BMW for some redzone work.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I knew this would be a response. A valid one, sure, but kind of missing my point. Maybe BMW is tired of hearing negative comments from the coaches and has just decided to collect his paycheck and move on? No matter how much you pay someone to do a job you are still going to have to deal with the personality of the individual. If you continue paying someone a salary, but talk down to or talk bad about a person eventually they are going to stop listening and become unmotivated. They will think that no matter what they do they won't be able to do it right, so why bother? Just collect a paycheck, put forth the most minimal amount of effort, and move on when done. Again, I don't disagree with anything that has been said prior to my previous post...just kind of putting a different spin to the topic that hadn't been mentioned before.

The point is that if BMW needs to be coddled, he'll never make it in the NFL. NFL players need tremendous work ethics and self-motivation. He is nowhere near that.

 

[Da Guru]

We keep hearing how BMW is fat and lazy but I'd like to see him play in a couple of actual games before writing him off. The Lions are never going to motivate a guy like this unless he gets some minutes in a real game. Also the coaching staff and beat writers are the sources for the fat & lazy comments. If you listen to the players, they all want BMW on the field, especially Roy Williams. I realize BMW is still raw and has a ways to go, but give the kid a shot in a real game and let's see what he's got. The Lions have no legit #3 WR at this point. Why not play BMW? At the very least, he has the potential to be a solid redzone target. Play Mike Furrey in between the 20's and send in BMW for some redzone work.

Rod Marinelli has never said a word about Williams to the press, other than he is not where he needs to be.The info I get is from an assisant coach who kid plays for my buddy. This guy said that Williams is still running the wrong routes in practice and when Kitna throws to a spot no one is there except for a safety.Also said that Mike is just not in game shape and gasses after 3-4 plays in Martzs offense. How can you put a guy like that in the game in front of guy working hard?

 

[stevegamer]

I think Rogers will get grabbed before Williams - well before him, in fact.

They are both attitude problems, but Rogers isn't out of shape, and has been bad at least partly because of 2 freak injuries. Williams has no such excuse.

 

[billymays]

btw

there is talk that mike will retire

after he gets cut

 

[Sleeper 43]

First, a comparison to Rice and now Gates? Mike Williams isn't even in that conversation. Gates = supreme athlete, quick twitch, built like a house, excellent separation, hands and coordination.Williams = none of the above.. but he is, as it's been pointed out, tall and big... His hands have been good in the past, but what does it matter if he doesn't separate, work hard or do what it takes in practice to show he's remotely worthy of being the team's No. 3 WR, much less a TE who has even more responsibilities. Williams won't even play TE so it's a moot point.

Your like my wife..... , you only include the part of the story that benefits your statment the most OR you didnt read my post and just saw the word Antonio Gates.Go back and read what I said, Go back and read what I quoted.Once your done you'll realize I didnt say " BMW reminds me of Gates" or "BMW could be just as good as Gates".He stated that TE is something you just cant learn and that the good TE's have been playing the position for 10 years or since High School. Antonio Gates throws this theory over on its head and thats ALL I was saying when the words Antonio Gates were used in this thread.Regarding him never playing TE I've already addressed that in one of my previous posts and while I'm not SURE what he'll do (none of us know him in RL) I think its a little more realistic for a 22 year old to humble himself eventually if it means a chance to play in the NFL vs getting a real job and work for a living.Sometimes I feel like people dont read other's posts and just like to hear themselves talk on these boards.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I think Rogers will get grabbed before Williams - well before him, in fact.They are both attitude problems, but Rogers isn't out of shape, and has been bad at least partly because of 2 freak injuries. Williams has no such excuse.

Rogers is out of shape. I would be surprised if Rogers ever takes another snap in the NFL.I'd say BMW's chances of taking a snap are around 50%, Rogers' 20%.

 

[Sleeper 43]

I think Rogers will get grabbed before Williams - well before him, in fact.They are both attitude problems, but Rogers isn't out of shape, and has been bad at least partly because of 2 freak injuries. Williams has no such excuse.

The 2 freak injuries , I'll give you, but when you get popped doin roids and all the sudden your game falls off, that sends out a red flag that your dependent on them to perform on a NFL level. BMW has yet to show what his best is becasue of mental immaturity, this is something that can be worked on.Physical gifts, height , speed etc cannot.

 

[MSULions]

can't give a link...but this was posted on a lions board a bit ago....sounds like he skated by in college....you'd think a scout might have noticed this

Matt Leinart discusses BMW and has some revealing commentsHere's a partial transcript from this afternoon's conference call with Cardinals QB Matt Leinart. It deals with questions about Leinart's former teammate, and current Lions receiver, Mike Williams. I think people who are on both sides of the Williams' debate will find it interesting.What do you think about Mike Williams and his situation up here?“I’m not really sure what’s going on with the situation, but I know Mike from college and he was the most dominant – besides Reggie (Bush) – the most dominant player I played with. He just took over games with his size and he’s just an incredible player. I’m not quite sure what happened or what went wrong but I know he’s got tons of potential. I don’t know everything but he’s one of the best players I’ve seen in college – anyone can tell you that. You guys know how he was in college, he was unbelieveable. It’s tough, I feel for Mike and I hope he can turn everything around and he can be a contributor or whatever team he’s on.’’Was he lackadaisical in college?“Mike was Mike. He practiced … he showed up on Saturdays, he showed up on game day and he was the best player on the field every Saturday the year I played with him. I’m not going to sit here and talk ‘Mike’s my boy’ … I haven’t talked to him in awhile. He was my teammate in college and he was a great football player.’’The knocks on him here are his work ethic. Did he have to work that hard in college when you’re that talented?“I know you can get away with it in college when you’re that talented, as far as practicing and even in games. Yeah, you can definitely get away with it. I’ve learned in the NFL, if you are lazy or you take days off in practice or don’t go full speed, it’s going to affect your game on Sundays. That’s something I’ve realized. I just hope Mike will turn it around.’’

 

[Sleeper 43]

can't give a link...but this was posted on a lions board a bit ago....sounds like he skated by in college....you'd think a scout might have noticed this

Matt Leinart discusses BMW and has some revealing commentsHere's a partial transcript from this afternoon's conference call with Cardinals QB Matt Leinart. It deals with questions about Leinart's former teammate, and current Lions receiver, Mike Williams. I think people who are on both sides of the Williams' debate will find it interesting.What do you think about Mike Williams and his situation up here?“I’m not really sure what’s going on with the situation, but I know Mike from college and he was the most dominant – besides Reggie (Bush) – the most dominant player I played with. He just took over games with his size and he’s just an incredible player. I’m not quite sure what happened or what went wrong but I know he’s got tons of potential. I don’t know everything but he’s one of the best players I’ve seen in college – anyone can tell you that. You guys know how he was in college, he was unbelieveable. It’s tough, I feel for Mike and I hope he can turn everything around and he can be a contributor or whatever team he’s on.’’Was he lackadaisical in college?“Mike was Mike. He practiced … he showed up on Saturdays, he showed up on game day and he was the best player on the field every Saturday the year I played with him. I’m not going to sit here and talk ‘Mike’s my boy’ … I haven’t talked to him in awhile. He was my teammate in college and he was a great football player.’’The knocks on him here are his work ethic. Did he have to work that hard in college when you’re that talented?“I know you can get away with it in college when you’re that talented, as far as practicing and even in games. Yeah, you can definitely get away with it. I’ve learned in the NFL, if you are lazy or you take days off in practice or don’t go full speed, it’s going to affect your game on Sundays. That’s something I’ve realized. I just hope Mike will turn it around.’’

Good Read, Thanks

 

[Da Guru]

That article and what I have heard from assistant Lion caoches could not make it any clearer on why Williams is not playing.

 

[Sleeper 43]

That article and what I have heard from assistanst Lion caoches could not make it any clearer on why Williams is not playing.

Patience is a virtue

 

[Lauryn]

Josh McCown has been working out with the Lions' receivers for several weeks and could see some action at the position in games.

McCown would likely be the Lions' No. 4 receiver if the team has him split out wide at any point. Mike Martz says he wouldn't use McCown to run a route over the middle, but that he could go deep in obvious passing situations. McCown is already ahead of Mike Williams on the depth chart.

 

[stevegamer]

They need to get Matt Millen in to play DB, and have those 2 go for about an hour on the field - by themselves.