Millers Crossing (1 Viewer)

[mr. furley]

1. Raising Arizona (yeah I know, just love everything about the movie and have probably never laughed harder than the first time I saw the market robbery/dog chase scene in the theater as a kid)

no shame in this. movie still makes me giggle every time.

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[need2know]

Am I the only one who thought this was one of their weaker ones?  I thought it was ok, but not really among the best

 

[msommer]

Am I the only one who thought this was one of their weaker ones?

Yes

 

[saintfool]

no shame in this. movie still makes me giggle every time.

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it's their best without question. fantastic comedic writing and acting. tight direction. it doesn't try to be much more than what it is. it never gets old for me.

 

[joffer]

Am I the only one who thought this was one of their weaker ones?  I thought it was ok, but not really among the best

pretty much

 

[need2know]

pretty much

I need to watch it again. Been a long time

 

[AAABatteries]

Great movie. I was going to say top 10 so someone having it in their top 5 isn't crazy.

Some other top 5 consideration:

- Shawshank

- Psycho

- Casablanca (yes, it's that good - if you haven't seen it, you should)

- Usual Suspects (definite top 5 for me)

- Raiders (love Indy)

Such a good movie although I don't know what the hell I was thinking leaving Godfather I/II off that list.  You give me those 2, the 5 above and Miller's Crossing and I'd be set.  Maybe round out my top 10 with a couple of comedies (maybe Animal House and Blazing Saddles)

 

[Zigg]

Am I the only one who thought this was one of their weaker ones?  I thought it was ok, but not really among the best

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, except you, your opinion sucks.

 

[msommer]

Just watched it again. It's still awesome

 

[Sebowski]

Such a good movie although I don't know what the hell I was thinking leaving Godfather I/II off that list.  You give me those 2, the 5 above and Miller's Crossing and I'd be set.  Maybe round out my top 10 with a couple of comedies (maybe Animal House and Blazing Saddles)

Usual Suspects suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

 

[joffer]

Usual Suspects suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

So does your face 

 

[Kafka]

Usual Suspects suuuuuuuuuuuuuucks

You suuuuuuuuuuck, Benecio & Spacey were purposely over-the-top great in that movie, so was Gabriel...

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I have to say - I love this movie. Partly because it is filmed in locations which I am familiar with here in NO but also everything about the dialogue and the direction and the symbolism and the acting, all of it.

Does anyone want to talk about the actual plot, because I'd really like to hear from fans, haters, casual observers alike - what the heck is the plot and what is Tom doing in this movie?

 

[msommer]

I have to say - I love this movie. Partly because it is filmed in locations which I am familiar with here in NO but also everything about the dialogue and the direction and the symbolism and the acting, all of it.

Does anyone want to talk about the actual plot, because I'd really like to hear from fans, haters, casual observers alike - what the heck is the plot and what is Tom doing in this movie?

Basically he is getting beaten up

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Basically he is getting beaten up

True he gets beat up from the first scene, he also loses his hat the first scene and is constantly losing it and getting it back throughout the movie.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Caspar wants Bernie dead because he's scamming info on the fixed fights. Bernie is under Leo's protection because he's involved with Bernie's sister Verna. Leo is jealous so he send his guy Rug to follow Verna. Rug ends up dead. Leo assumes this is Caspar getting his pound of flesh because Leo won't turn over Bernie. A gang war is about to ensue.... and Tom creates a scene where he gets thrown out by Leo. Tom is then welcomed by Caspar. Tom then goes about arranging for Caspar and his no. 1 guy Dane to be killed, and also kills Bernie himself, thus restoring order and saving Leo. In the end even though Verna was sort of to blame for the whole thing Leo sticks with Verna and Tom won't have it, it's either her or him? I lose track of Tom's motivation, I'm never really sure why he is doing what he is doing.

 

[AAABatteries]

So does your face 

Yes, Sebowski's face does suck - as does his taste in movies.

 

[The Gator]

Yes, Sebowski's face does suck - as does his taste in movies and soccer teams.

 

[Sebowski]

Yes, Sebowski's face does suck - as does his taste in movies.

There's no movie there. It falls apart once you take Spacey as Kaiser (don't know how to spell Sozay...) Just turns in to a joke. The POV is gone. Just all a waste of time. Someone's story with zero accountability. It's M.Knight Shamalonalon before M.Knigt Shamolonanlon. Take your last scene plot twists and shove em where the shamolanalon don't shine, imo. 

 

[dickey moe]

I've probably seen it >20 times. Up there with Hudsucker Proxy. All the actors are perfectly cast and at the top of their game.

Huducker Proxy arguably in my top 5.

 

[AAABatteries]

There's no movie there. It falls apart once you take Spacey as Kaiser (don't know how to spell Sozay...) Just turns in to a joke. The POV is gone. Just all a waste of time. Someone's story with zero accountability. It's M.Knight Shamalonalon before M.Knigt Shamolonanlon. Take your last scene plot twists and shove em where the shamolanalon don't shine, imo. 

I'm a simpleton that is easily amused - my reaction to finding out who Soze was is exactly what my reaction will be when we find out that Timscrotch is Dodds.

 

[rockaction]

Huducker Proxy arguably in my top 5.

A Muncie girl?  

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I have to say - I love this movie. Partly because it is filmed in locations which I am familiar with here in NO but also everything about the dialogue and the direction and the symbolism and the acting, all of it.

Does anyone want to talk about the actual plot, because I'd really like to hear from fans, haters, casual observers alike - what the heck is the plot and what is Tom doing in this movie?

For some reason (the back story is assumed) Tom Reagan is 100% devoted to Leo, his crime boss friend and father figure.

Leo's nerve and control on his enterprise are slipping due to his relationship with the grifter Verna Bernbaum who is playing the angle to protect her brother Bernie.

A rival gang leader, Johnny Caspar wrestles control of the city from Leo.

In an attempt to save Leo from himself, Tom embarks on a journey where he initiates a relationship with Verna (and in the process estranges himself from Leo), switches to Johnny's camp, courts death as he maneuvers around Johnny's  dangerous lieutenant The Dane, and survives Bernie's double cross.

Ultimately, Tom is successful in returning Leo to power. Unfortunately, however, Leo misinterprets Tom's actions and motives - which are ALL out of devotion to Leo. Tom, realizing he'll never find the approval he seeks from Leo, finally ends the only relationship that mattered to him. Leo takes the long walk toward a new future, alone without the protection of Tom. Tom, hat firmly in possession, steels his resolve to begin anew.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Verna: I thought you said you didn't care about Leo no more. 

Tom Reagan: I said we're through. That's not the same thing.

 

[msommer]

Caspar wants Bernie dead because he's scamming info on the fixed fights. Bernie is under Leo's protection because he's involved with Bernie's sister Verna. Leo is jealous so he send his guy Rug to follow Verna. Rug ends up dead. Leo assumes this is Caspar getting his pound of flesh because Leo won't turn over Bernie. A gang war is about to ensue.... and Tom creates a scene where he gets thrown out by Leo. Tom is then welcomed by Caspar. Tom then goes about arranging for Caspar and his no. 1 guy Dane to be killed, and also kills Bernie himself, thus restoring order and saving Leo. In the end even though Verna was sort of to blame for the whole thing Leo sticks with Verna and Tom won't have it, it's either her or him? I lose track of Tom's motivation, I'm never really sure why he is doing what he is doing.

I think Tom has a problem. Intellectually, he's all, kill Bernie, it's the 'smart play', keeps Caspar subservient, keeps the booze flowing, keeps the status quo. And Bernie really is scum, he double crosses anyone he touches, Caspar, Mink, Tom. He'd have been dead a long time ago if Verna wasn't running interference. And Verna is right Tom does want her. But he doesn't want to want her -  it's his iron will, his loyalty against his desire, His long play, is all for Leo's benefit - but we never see his motivation, I'd guess it's in his past, when big hearted Leo took a chanve on Tom

And Verna wants him - until he sets Bernie/Caspar up, then it's 'hell hath no fury' and she goes to Leo the sap. Even after the Dane tells her Tom shot, her brother she still can't kill him, so after the Bernis/Caspar confrontation, on Tom's doorstep, she does the only thing she can to hurt Tom - marries Leo.

So Tom is divided and ultimately Tom loses everything, despite him doing the long play on Leo's behaæf, he loses Leo (actually he chooses to lose Leo) and he loses the girl. And maybe he chooses to lose Leo because of the girl.

The movie was influenced by Dashiell Hammet's novel "The Glass Key". Tom Reagan is Ned Beaumont, Leo is Paul. 

Great move, great book

ETA: And I don't disagree one bit with Andy I think

 

[The Future Champs]

Huducker Proxy arguably in my top 5.

Liked it a lot, but behind 

Fargo, NCFOM, Raising Arizona, Lebowski, Millers Crossing, Blood Simple, maybe True Grit.   Only watched it once, should probably see it again.