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Minnesota Vikings Offseason (2007) (1 Viewer)

I know this is old-ish news now...just wondering if any of you have anything negative to say about Tomlin. Everyone seems to be enamored with this dude, and he's said the right things so far...but is there anything at all worth mentioning about this guy that isn't the lovefest we've heard already?

thanks.
I am from Pittsburgh (Munhall/Homestead) and live in MN now. Nothing really negative to say about him. He is clearly an impressive bright motivated guy. He inheireted a good defense from the last regime. They clearly played very hard for him. But technically he was never able to figure out a way to put pressure on the QB with the personnel he had. The secondary is not bad( it's not great). The LBs had to be protected in coverage and the line just couldn't get there. You would hope when New England exposed them that they would have been able to scheme something to better defend the pass but they never did. That worries me.
I think this is a little off. The Vikes D hasn't been anything special for years. In '05, they were 22nd against the pass, 19th against the run, 21st overall, and 19th in points allowed. That's solidly below mediocre. Without changing any significant parts, they went to 31st against the pass, 1st against the rush, 8th overall and 14th in points allowed. I think Tomlin improved the defense significantly in all areas, except pass defense, which was because in my opinion, because he stuck with the traditional Tampa-2 scheme of getting pressure from the front 4, and after James went down there was no one able to put any consistent pressure on.His lack of adjustment is worrisome, I'd grant that. But, on the otherhand, I think his personnel limited a lot of adjustments he may have wanted to make (eg. without Greenway, he didn't have any pass rushing linebackers either).
Please correct my numbers if they are wrong,In the last 9 games of 2005 (in those 9 games Tice/Cottrell/BJohnson won more games than Chilly/Tomlin/B.Johnson did in 16) the Defense gave up 16 ppg vs 17ppg for 2006, 294 total yards pg vs 300 typg 2006, 98 rush yds/196 pass yards vs 62 rush/239 pass 2006. They finished 2005 as a good defense and they were a good defense in 2006.

 
Just to be clear - I'm not ROOTING for Jackson to fail. I hope he CAN be the guy next year so they can focus on other areas of need.

From what I did see, I really like how live his arm is. His throwing motion is nice and his release is pretty quick.
I think that is all we really have to judge him with at this point. I don't think you can judge him based on preseason results (not only playing against 3rd/4ht stringers, but playing with them as well), nor can you judge his two starts which were for a basically lame duck team, after having only a few weeks of reps with the first team. Given he practiced most of the season with the scout team, not even running the Vikes offense, I don't think any judgement of his potential based on 2006 is fair. He's making a huge jump from 1-AA to the NFL. In a similar situation, I don't remember Daunte giving anyone a reason to be optimistic after his limited regular season appearances in his rookie season.
 
I know this is old-ish news now...just wondering if any of you have anything negative to say about Tomlin. Everyone seems to be enamored with this dude, and he's said the right things so far...but is there anything at all worth mentioning about this guy that isn't the lovefest we've heard already?

thanks.
I am from Pittsburgh (Munhall/Homestead) and live in MN now. Nothing really negative to say about him. He is clearly an impressive bright motivated guy. He inheireted a good defense from the last regime. They clearly played very hard for him. But technically he was never able to figure out a way to put pressure on the QB with the personnel he had. The secondary is not bad( it's not great). The LBs had to be protected in coverage and the line just couldn't get there. You would hope when New England exposed them that they would have been able to scheme something to better defend the pass but they never did. That worries me.
I think this is a little off. The Vikes D hasn't been anything special for years. In '05, they were 22nd against the pass, 19th against the run, 21st overall, and 19th in points allowed. That's solidly below mediocre. Without changing any significant parts, they went to 31st against the pass, 1st against the rush, 8th overall and 14th in points allowed. I think Tomlin improved the defense significantly in all areas, except pass defense, which was because in my opinion, because he stuck with the traditional Tampa-2 scheme of getting pressure from the front 4, and after James went down there was no one able to put any consistent pressure on.His lack of adjustment is worrisome, I'd grant that. But, on the otherhand, I think his personnel limited a lot of adjustments he may have wanted to make (eg. without Greenway, he didn't have any pass rushing linebackers either).
Please correct my numbers if they are wrong,In the last 9 games of 2005 (in those 9 games Tice/Cottrell/BJohnson won more games than Chilly/Tomlin/B.Johnson did in 16) the Defense gave up 16 ppg vs 17ppg for 2006, 294 total yards pg vs 300 typg 2006, 98 rush yds/196 pass yards vs 62 rush/239 pass 2006. They finished 2005 as a good defense and they were a good defense in 2006.
:( I'm not anti-Tomlin or anything. It's sort of cliche for fans of a team to take potshots at a coach who left. However, anyone who watched Viking games last year knows the rush defense was smoke and mirrors. It's not hard to give up 65 YPG on the ground when the opposing team is abandoning the run and passing 40 times against a horrific pass defense. What I liked about Tomlin was the admiration the players had for him, but I don't think he was DC long enough for him to establish himself as being good at it or still developing. When I say "establish himself," I mean to show an ability to adapt his defense to control a game regardless of what an offense was doing. Sure there were personnel issues, but he certainly did not show an ability to put a unit out there who could deal with whatever the offense came with. Teams went 5-wide at will after seeing the Patriots do it and he had no answers, whatsoever. Should that reflect poorly on Tomlin? I'm not sure. Certainly lack of pass rush contributing to a god-awful pass defense reflected poorly on Emmit Thomas and Ted Cotrell. I would have liked to see how 2007 unfolded before annointing him a great defensive coordinator.

 
Williams agrees to dealVikings safety Tank Williams, who missed all of last season after fracturing his left kneecap in training camp, has agreed to a one-year deal for the veteran minimum of $595,000. Williams is the first of the team's six unrestricted free agents to agree to terms.
If the Vikes release Smith and Sharper continues to slow, could the safeties be Tank and Greg Blue? Both Tank and Blue are strong safties, right?
 
http://www.startribune.com/blogs/vikings/

Kolodziej to hit market

Wednesday, February 21st, 2007 by Judd Zulgad The Vikings have informed the agent for defensive tackle Ross Kolodziej that they will allow the veteran to become a free agent. The NFL’s free agency period begins March 2. Agent Chris Murray said he was informed of the decision on Tuesday.

There is still a possibility Kolodziej could return to the Vikings but this also will enable him to explore his options. Kolodziej is one of six unrestriced free agents on the Vikings roster. While veteran safety Tank Williams has agreed to a one-year deal, it is looking as if the other five players might be allowed to look around.

That list includes linebacker Napoleon Harris; receivers Bethel Johnson and Travis Taylor; and offensive lineman Jason Whittle. There remains a possibility something could be worked out between some of those players and the Vikings at the NFL scouting combine this week in Indianapolis. NFL agents and executives will be gathered at that event.

Kolodziej served as the backup to Pro Bowl nose tackle Pat Williams last season and finished with eight tackles in 12 games. He was on the inactive list for four games. Kolodziej, a fifth-year player out of Wisconsin, had a one-year deal with the Vikings last season. He also has spent time with Giants, San Francisco and Arizona.

 
And another article, this one outlineing first round options at WR.

http://www.startribune.com/510/story/1014635.html

Vikings' search has a catch

Once again, the team has the seventh overall draft pick and a huge hole at receiver, but analysts warn against them trying too hard to fill that need.

By Mark Craig, Star Tribune

Last update: February 20, 2007 – 8:24 PM

For the second time in three years, Vikings coaches, scouts and front office executives traveled to Indianapolis and the annual NFL scouting combine with wide receiver as their most glaring need.

A strong class of receivers could produce as many as six first-round picks. And that has some draft analysts guessing that the Vikings -- for the second time in three years -- will select a receiver seventh overall.

That, according to NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock, would be an unwise decision.

Like most, if not all, draft analysts, Mayock doesn't foresee any circumstance in which the undisputed top receiver, Georgia Tech's Calvin Johnson, slips out of the top five. Unlike many of his peers, however, Mayock doesn't believe any other receiver is worthy of the seventh pick.

The only possibility, Mayock said, would be if the Vikings, who also need a kick returner, were to view speedy Ohio State junior Ted Ginn Jr. as a return man on par with the Chicago Bears' Devin Hester, who probably changed how returners are viewed in the draft with his success last season.

"Ted Ginn brings additional value as a return guy, but I think he's more raw as a receiver than even his college teammate, [Anthony] Gonzalez," said Mayock, lead analyst on the NFL Network's coverage of the combine. "So, if you're the Vikings, I think you have to look for a receiver that fits your style of offense in the second or third round."

With veteran free agency set to begin March 2 without much to choose from at receiver, it's possible the Vikings will do just that. After all, their receiver situation could get desperate, if it isn't already. Travis Taylor, who had a team-high 57 catches last season, is a free agent and has not discussed a new deal with the Vikings.

Two years ago, the Vikings went to the combine with an agreement with the Oakland Raiders to trade No. 1 receiver Randy Moss for the seventh overall pick in the draft, linebacker Napoleon Harris and a seventh-round draft pick. Harris is expected to leave via free agency, which would leave receiver Troy Williamson -- the seventh overall pick in 2005 -- as the only piece left in the Moss trade. Originally considered the main piece, Williamson struggled with catching the ball, suggesting the Vikings reached too far when they selected him. Williamson was considered a late first-round selection until he ran a 4.32 40-yard dash at the 2005 combine.

Ginn, probably the fastest player in the draft, will not work out at the combine because of a foot injury suffered in the national championship game.

Another top junior receiver, USC's Dwayne Jarrett, might opt out of at least the 40-yard dash, according to Mayock. The biggest question about the 6-4, 210-pound Jarrett is whether he's fast enough to be an elite NFL receiver. Todd McShay, draft analyst of Scouts Inc., projects the Vikings to select Jarrett with the seventh pick.

Mayock isn't as high on Jarrett. In fact, he ranks LSU's Dwayne Bowe higher and actually thinks Jarrett's much smaller USC teammate, Steve Smith, is a better receiver.

Scouts Inc. projects the 5-11, 195-pound Smith as a third-round prospect. Gonzalez and Bowe's 6-1, 204-pound teammate, Craig Davis, are projected second-rounders.

"I like the guys who are teammates of those top receivers," Mayock said. "They're not going to be All-Pros necessarily, but I think they're going to be solid NFL players."

Vikings coach Brad Childress wasn't here for the Williamson pick, but indications are receiver isn't a position that Childress will be willing to overextend for with a top-10 pick.

And that, according to Mayock, would be a wise decision.

 
Update on James and Greenway for PFW Whispers:

• DE Erasmus James’ recovery from a torn anterior cruciate ligament has not gone swimmingly. Head coach Brad Childress revealed that while James is starting make strides now, the same could not be said previously. He also said that James, who sustained the injury in Week Two, had a follow-up procedure done in Denver recently and is not expected to be ready until training camp, although perhaps not at full speed........• Recovering LB Chad Greenway, the Vikings’ first-round pick in 2006, is expected to be ready for the team’s first minicamp of the offseason. Head coach Brad Childress said that, if anything, the team has had to hold him back from ramping up too aggressively. Greenway sustained a season-ending knee injury in the preseason opener.
 
Update on James and Greenway for PFW Whispers:

• DE Erasmus James’ recovery from a torn anterior cruciate ligament has not gone swimmingly. Head coach Brad Childress revealed that while James is starting make strides now, the same could not be said previously. He also said that James, who sustained the injury in Week Two, had a follow-up procedure done in Denver recently and is not expected to be ready until training camp, although perhaps not at full speed........• Recovering LB Chad Greenway, the Vikings’ first-round pick in 2006, is expected to be ready for the team’s first minicamp of the offseason. Head coach Brad Childress said that, if anything, the team has had to hold him back from ramping up too aggressively. Greenway sustained a season-ending knee injury in the preseason opener.
Ugh. Sucks about James. Looking more and more like DE is going to be the pick. I would love to see them sign Patrick Kearney and draft Gaines Adams. Adams ran a 4.64 yesterday.
 
Update on James and Greenway for PFW Whispers:

• DE Erasmus James’ recovery from a torn anterior cruciate ligament has not gone swimmingly. Head coach Brad Childress revealed that while James is starting make strides now, the same could not be said previously. He also said that James, who sustained the injury in Week Two, had a follow-up procedure done in Denver recently and is not expected to be ready until training camp, although perhaps not at full speed........• Recovering LB Chad Greenway, the Vikings’ first-round pick in 2006, is expected to be ready for the team’s first minicamp of the offseason. Head coach Brad Childress said that, if anything, the team has had to hold him back from ramping up too aggressively. Greenway sustained a season-ending knee injury in the preseason opener.
Ugh. Sucks about James. Looking more and more like DE is going to be the pick. I would love to see them sign Patrick Kearney and draft Gaines Adams. Adams ran a 4.64 yesterday.
Gaines Adams looks like the pick if the Vikings stay at 7. I like Kearney but his torn pec doesn't want to heal properly. Interesting rumor about Dewayne White. He is not a premier DE but another body that we can add to the rotation.
 
I have to say that my man :wub: for Patrick Willis continues to grow after reading this story. His 4.49 in the 40 also helped.

Feb 26, 6:15 PM ESTLinebackers Vying for Top of Draft Chart By MICHAEL MAROT AP Sports WriterINIANAPOLIS (AP) -- Patrick Willis and Paul Posluszny grew up in different worlds. One considered attending the Naval Academy and representing his country on the battlefield - if he couldn't become the next Western Pennsylvania kid to star at Linebacker U. The other dreamed of creating a better life for his siblings in the South.Now their divergent paths have crossed here, at the NFL's annual scouting combine, where the award-winning linebackers are vying to become first-round picks in April's NFL draft."It would be a blessing, especially the way I grew up," Willis said, when asked what he would do with his riches. "It would help me take care of those who helped me along the way and make sure that if I have children they won't have to go through what I went through."Willis endured the kind of childhood experiences no youngster should.The real-life nightmare began when his mother left home, abandoning her four children and forcing them to fend for themselves with an uninterested father. Willis was 4 years old.Two years later, Willis was cooking meals for his siblings, and by age 10, Willis was working in Tennessee's cotton fields with his grandmother, earning $110 per week. The money went to his dad so he could pay the family's bills.As a teenager, the situation worsened. When Willis learned his father was abusing his sister, Ernicka, he turned him in to child services and suddenly, Willis and his siblings needed to find a new family, one that would give them the love and respect they deserved.When Chris and Julie Finley took in Willis, becoming his legal guardians, things changed. Eventually, Willis earned a scholarship to Mississippi and began emerging as one of the Rebels top players.As a junior, he led the nation with 90 solo tackles despite playing with a broken finger, a sprained knee, a sprained foot and a separated right shoulder - pains that paled in comparison to his life off the field.But just when it seemed everything was finally going right, Willis was struck by another tragic chapter. Last summer, his 17-year-old brother, Detris, a two-way starter on his high school football team in Bruceton, Tenn., drowned while swimming with friends. Willis delivered the eulogy.He played his senior season like he a man on a mission. Willis finished with 137 tackles, 11 1/2 for losses and three sacks. He was an All-American, the SEC's defensive player of the year and the Butkus Award winner as the nation's top linebacker. He also earned the coveted Chucky Mullins Courage Award, named for the former Mississippi player who was paralyzed during a game in 1989. Mullins died in 1991.Last month, he added the Senior Bowl's defensive MVP award to his list of honors.Yet even now, the wounds still cut deeply. Asked to explain what happened to his parents, the soft-spoken, polite linebacker simply said: "There were complications with my dad, and my mother was never really around."In 22 years, he's overcome more obstacles, challenges and disappointments than most people experience in a lifetime and Willis believes the tribulations have helped him grow as a player, too."My real-life experience taught me how to compete through adversity," he said. "No matter what happens, if someone knocks you down, you have to find a way to get up and get the job done. That's what you have to do."Posluszny's road to the combine took a more conventional route.After sweeping both the 2005 Butkus and Bednarik awards, most figured he was off to the NFL. The expectations increased when Hall of Famer Jack Ham called Posluszny the best linebacker to ever play at Penn State, a comment that even surprised the humblest of players."I couldn't believe he said it because I know all the great linebackers that went before me, and I can't stack up to them," Posluszny said. "(Shane) Conlan, (LaVar) Arrington, whoever. If I picked the best, I'd have to say it was Jack Ham because he's in the Hall of Fame."Yes, Posluszny admits he contemplated leaving school early - until one play late in last year's Orange Bowl took away that option. When Posluszny tried to leap over a block by Lorenzo Booker, the Florida State running back hit Posluszny in the knee with his helmet.The toughest Nittany Lion on the roster couldn't just shake off this one; two ligaments were partially torn. Posluszny feared he might need surgery, but doctors said he simply needed rest.To Posluszny, it was an agonizing two months."It was long, long and boring," he said. "The injury wasn't very significant, but it was a long rehab process."The other part was that Posluszny had to start all over, proving to scouts he could make it all the way back to his old form.While he matched his 2005 totals with 116 tackles and three sacks, Willis wound up winning the Butkus Award and may have unseated Posluszny as the No. 1 linebacker in this year's draft.The way teams look at it, though, they can't go wrong. Both are talented, tested and terrific on the field. And in a world where team officials often talk about needing "character guys," they will be hard-pressed to find two more compelling cases than those offered by Posluszny's comeback and Willis' fight for survival."Stepping up to this level, I'm going to have to do something regardless of what background I came from or what division I played at," Willis said. "It doesn't matter where you're from, as long as you show up when it's time."
 
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Any chance the Vikings go after Adam Timmerman? Might not be a bad pick up to help bolster the line and mentor Cook on the right side of the line.

 
To the shock of absolutely nobody, Brad Johnson released.
Andy, whats your thoughts on QB?I feel the Vikes aren't anywhere close to contending, they are better off drafting and rolling with a young guy(not sure Jackson is the guy), or trading for a younger guy with potential, a la Schaub. No 1-2 year fixes, a la Plummer or Garcia
I'd like for them to take Quinn if he's available. Otherwise, as much as I think the Schaub hype is overblown, giving up a 2nd rounder for a talented QB with experience doesn't seem like a bad roll of the dice.I have little faith that Jackson will be ready to win more than 4 games this next year if he's the starter.

 
To the shock of absolutely nobody, Brad Johnson released.
Andy, whats your thoughts on QB?I feel the Vikes aren't anywhere close to contending, they are better off drafting and rolling with a young guy(not sure Jackson is the guy), or trading for a younger guy with potential, a la Schaub. No 1-2 year fixes, a la Plummer or Garcia
I'd like for them to take Quinn if he's available. Otherwise, as much as I think the Schaub hype is overblown, giving up a 2nd rounder for a talented QB with experience doesn't seem like a bad roll of the dice.I have little faith that Jackson will be ready to win more than 4 games this next year if he's the starter.
Would it be a second rounder for Shaub? Is that when he was drafted? (I thought it was third.) I would absolutely give up a second for Shaub. The problem is that we have to make the deal sweet enough that Atl. wouldn't match. I find it unlikely that they would be willing to spend that.
 
Schaub got tendered today, at 2.5 million.

It would take a higher offer, and a 1st and 3rd round pick for the Vikes to end up with him without trading. That's not happening.

 
He was tendered a 1 and a 3 and they wouldn't accept anything less. They would likely even match the offer.

 
He was tendered a 1 and a 3 and they wouldn't accept anything less. They would likely even match the offer.
I cant see that being true. I think that he was offer the highest tender, just to allow ATL to control his fate for possibly one more year. I think that he could be had for a 2nd rd pick from ATL. He will be a UFA next year, and they would get nothing. Vick is their QB, and although they mught like Schaub, he will be playing for someone else at the latest of next year. I look at it kinda like M Turner. His team sees the value that this guy holds and wants to make sure that they are happy with what they are going to get for him.
 
Schaub got tendered today, at 2.5 million.It would take a higher offer, and a 1st and 3rd round pick for the Vikes to end up with him without trading. That's not happening.
I see no reason why Atlanta woudn't trade him for less than his tender. They may lose him as a UFA next year anyways. Brandon Lloyd received the highest tender last year and San Fran traded him for a 3rd and a 4th.
 
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I'm on the record supporting Jackson, but would still be very happy if they could pick up Matt Schaub. I don't think I'd be happy if they gave up a 1st and 3rd, but still think he has the ability to be very very good. Still not interested in Quinn.

For now, I hope that the team goes hard after Daniel Graham ASAP.

 
Don't know if I like it or not, but I have a feeling that they will sign Ashley Lelie (just my gut, not that I've heard anything - with the WR coach from the Falcons there now).

 
Don't know if I like it or not, but I have a feeling that they will sign Ashley Lelie (just my gut, not that I've heard anything - with the WR coach from the Falcons there now).
I've never really cared for Lelie but do you think his big play ability and Tjackson's big arm would be a good combination? seems like it might work.
 
FunkyPlutos said:
Don't know if I like it or not, but I have a feeling that they will sign Ashley Lelie (just my gut, not that I've heard anything - with the WR coach from the Falcons there now).
If the former WR coach of the Falcons wants Ashley Lelie, no wonder he's the former WR coach of the Falcons.
 
FunkyPlutos said:
Don't know if I like it or not, but I have a feeling that they will sign Ashley Lelie (just my gut, not that I've heard anything - with the WR coach from the Falcons there now).
I haev heard they are looking at both him and Graham...Anything to help the offense ..
 
FunkyPlutos said:
Don't know if I like it or not, but I have a feeling that they will sign Ashley Lelie (just my gut, not that I've heard anything - with the WR coach from the Falcons there now).
I haev heard they are looking at both him and Graham...Anything to help the offense ..
My gut tells me it is going to be someone that we are not hearing about. Childress mentioned Curtis at the combine as the best FA WR out there, so I think that means there is no way they are going after him. I am crossing my fingers that it is Bennett, but I don't want them to overpay just because the market is thin.
 
Jermaine Wiggins shown the door.

I don't get that one.

Interesting note on Smoot:

"If the Vikings wait until tomorrow to release Smoot, they could split the salary cap hit of his depature over the next two seasons instead of having it all count on their 2007 cap."

 
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Jermaine Wiggins shown the door.I don't get that one.Interesting note on Smoot:"If the Vikings wait until tomorrow to release Smoot, they could split the salary cap hit of his depature over the next two seasons instead of having it all count on their 2007 cap."
I don't get it either, especially if the rumors of going after Daniel Graham or another FA tight end are true. Wiggins has proven to be a solid receiver, and as desperately as we needed someone to catch the ball last year, Chili did nothing to feature him. Why go and spend a bunch of money on a TE? Makes no sense.
 
Am I the only one who sees Wiggins as a terrible fit for the offense they're running? He's not a blocker and can't get open when going vertical. If you can't do one or the other in the WCO, you're useless at TE. Don't let the door hit you.

 
Not that he would be a #1 WR, but what about Moulds to mentor the younger WRs this year and a good possession WR. I think he has deinitely slowed down, but would be a good complimentary WR.

 
From today's Star-Tribune

The Vikings were attempting to arrange a visit with St. Louis Rams receiver Kevin Curtis as the NFL opened its free-agent market Thursday night. On a day they released three more prominent veterans, the Vikings hoped Curtis could arrive in the Twin Cities today. Curtis, who caught 40 passes last season and 60 in 2005 for the Rams, is "at the top of [the] stack" of available receivers, Vikings coach Brad Childress said last month at the NFL scouting combine. Curtis' visit also was reported by the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. The Vikings were planning other visits around Childress' plan to attend the pro day workout of Notre Dame quarterback Brady Quinn on Sunday.
And
The Vikings were scheduling a Monday visit for Atlanta receiver Ashlie Lelie, who will be in Houston today. Lelie played for new Vikings receivers coach George Stewart when both were with the Falcons last season.
And...
Free-agent receiver Drew Bennett was getting interest from about six teams, including the Vikings, but no visit to Minnesota had been scheduled. Other available receivers are Eric Moulds, Joe Horn and Donte Stallworth.
 
Tank Williams got cut today! :lmao:

Link
I just read that they are going to re-sign him tomorrow. :suds: Must be some kind of contract thing, but thought they just signed him to a one year contract a few weeks ago, for a low salary.
I hope so. While Landry would be a nice pick, I don't want them to be locked into a player before the draft. Plus I like Tank...even though he hasn't played a down for us yet.
 

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