Minnesota's ineptitude on offense (1 Viewer)

[Raider Nation]

Could McNabb have made Childress look like a better coach than he actually was? Except for Owens, Philly's WRs were subpar, as are the receivers in Minnesota. Yes, the QBs and WRs are pretty bad, but are they THAT bad or does the coaching and scheme leave something to be desired.

I'm sure I'm not the only A-Pete dynasty owner hoping they get the QB/WR situation straightened out fairly soon. Peterson has done great things already with defenses not even respecting the pass. I can only imagine what he would have done on the Culpepper-to-Moss Vikings team.

BTW, I heard Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday talking about Peterson. He said that AD has "no idea" what he's doing right now, and that he will be ridiculous once he completely learns the offense and the league. Said Peterson also reminds him of Tiki Barber (with whom Shiancoe played in N.Y.) the way he is patient setting up his blocks.

 

[packersfan]

BTW, I heard Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday talking about Peterson. He said that AD has "no idea" what he's doing right now, and that he will be ridiculous once he completely learns the offense and the league. Said Peterson also reminds him of Tiki Barber (with whom Shiancoe played in N.Y.) the way he is patient setting up his blocks.

Tony Richardson has said he's better than Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson. As far as the blame, I'd place the blame on those who decided to ignore the glaring needs at QB and WR. No excuse for the Vikings not to make a run at Schaub in the offseason. Even someone like Jeff Garcia would be a major upgrade. And the WR situation is pretty abysmal. Worst collection of WRs in the league in my opinion.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1) Red McCombs

2) Fran Foley's 2006 draft

3) Brad Childress

4) Talent

 

[TeamDingo]

As far as the blame, I'd place the blame on those who decided to ignore the glaring needs at QB and WR.

KHolcomb and RFerguson. Check and check. :X You mean signing other teams post training camp cast offs is not a sufficient way to build a team? Who knew. Kick ### offense/head coach is to blame.

 

[perry147]

BTW, I heard Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday talking about Peterson. He said that AD has "no idea" what he's doing right now, and that he will be ridiculous once he completely learns the offense and the league. Said Peterson also reminds him of Tiki Barber (with whom Shiancoe played in N.Y.) the way he is patient setting up his blocks.

Tony Richardson has said he's better than Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson. As far as the blame, I'd place the blame on those who decided to ignore the glaring needs at QB and WR. No excuse for the Vikings not to make a run at Schaub in the offseason. Even someone like Jeff Garcia would be a major upgrade. And the WR situation is pretty abysmal. Worst collection of WRs in the league in my opinion.

I think the Vikings owner did not want to pay the money that Schaub or Garcia would have wanted- that is the only reason I can see.The Jags deserve a honorable mention for worst WR's in the league.

 

[packersfan]

BTW, I heard Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday talking about Peterson. He said that AD has "no idea" what he's doing right now, and that he will be ridiculous once he completely learns the offense and the league. Said Peterson also reminds him of Tiki Barber (with whom Shiancoe played in N.Y.) the way he is patient setting up his blocks.

Tony Richardson has said he's better than Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson. As far as the blame, I'd place the blame on those who decided to ignore the glaring needs at QB and WR. No excuse for the Vikings not to make a run at Schaub in the offseason. Even someone like Jeff Garcia would be a major upgrade. And the WR situation is pretty abysmal. Worst collection of WRs in the league in my opinion.

I think the Vikings owner did not want to pay the money that Schaub or Garcia would have wanted- that is the only reason I can see.The Jags deserve a honorable mention for worst WR's in the league.

Agreed. I'd rank them as the second worst. I do think Reggie Williams is more talented than anybody the Vikings have so I give the Jags a very slight nod as being better. But their WRs stink too.

 

[snogger]

Blame the owner for hiring Childress.

If Reid didn't trust him to make the calls on Sundays as the OC, WTF made him good enough to be a coach??

 

[Donnybrook]

BTW, I heard Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday talking about Peterson. He said that AD has "no idea" what he's doing right now, and that he will be ridiculous once he completely learns the offense and the league. Said Peterson also reminds him of Tiki Barber (with whom Shiancoe played in N.Y.) the way he is patient setting up his blocks.

Tony Richardson has said he's better than Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson. As far as the blame, I'd place the blame on those who decided to ignore the glaring needs at QB and WR. No excuse for the Vikings not to make a run at Schaub in the offseason. Even someone like Jeff Garcia would be a major upgrade. And the WR situation is pretty abysmal. Worst collection of WRs in the league in my opinion.

To get Schuab, Vikings would have to sweeten the offer of the Texans. Which means Altanta would get the 1.07 and Vikings would get the 1.10. No Adrian Peterson for the Vikings. I have to admit that Garcia would have been a major upgrade.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1) Red McCombs2) Fran Foley's 2006 draft3) Brad Childress4) Talent

This is the perfect storm. 1) McCombs ran the team on the cheap for years. His bad decisions culminated with the trading of Randy Moss, which was approved just two months before Wilf bought the team. Wilf has said he never would have approved the Moss trade.2) The 2006 draft was a disaster. Greenway was a decent pick, but there had to be a possibility of trading up to get Cutler like the Broncos did. Instead, they used the 2nd round pick acquired in the Culpepper deal to get Ryan Cook, a center now busting at right tackle, at least two maybe three rounds earlier than they should have. Then, they trade up to get a 1-AA prospect with good physical skills but extremely raw.3) Brad Childress' scheme is terrible.4) The talent was allowed to wane so far under the McCombs regime, that the talent currently on the roster is so young and inexperienced, it can't yet compete on a professional level.

 

[packersfan]

BTW, I heard Vikings TE Visanthe Shiancoe on Sirius NFL Radio yesterday talking about Peterson. He said that AD has "no idea" what he's doing right now, and that he will be ridiculous once he completely learns the offense and the league. Said Peterson also reminds him of Tiki Barber (with whom Shiancoe played in N.Y.) the way he is patient setting up his blocks.

Tony Richardson has said he's better than Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson. As far as the blame, I'd place the blame on those who decided to ignore the glaring needs at QB and WR. No excuse for the Vikings not to make a run at Schaub in the offseason. Even someone like Jeff Garcia would be a major upgrade. And the WR situation is pretty abysmal. Worst collection of WRs in the league in my opinion.

To get Schuab, Vikings would have to sweeten the offer of the Texans. Which means Altanta would get the 1.07 and Vikings would get the 1.10. No Adrian Peterson for the Vikings. I have to admit that Garcia would have been a major upgrade.

OK, no to Schaub. But Garcia or Trent Green would be Joe Montana compared to the crap the Vikings have at QB right now.

 

[kensat30]

The front office screwed up big time. Minnesota has a great defense in place this past offseason, but they made ZERO moves to shore up the QB position. Put Jeff Garcia in a purple uniform and Minnesota is undefeated right now and looking like one of the best teams in the NFC IMO. If Minnesota had a respectable passing game, we'd all be discussing how ADP managed to slip to the 3rd or 4th round. Guy would be the #1 RB.

 

[NoCheese]

1) Red McCombs2) Fran Foley's 2006 draft3) Brad Childress4) Talent

This is the perfect storm. 1) McCombs ran the team on the cheap for years. His bad decisions culminated with the trading of Randy Moss, which was approved just two months before Wilf bought the team. Wilf has said he never would have approved the Moss trade.2) The 2006 draft was a disaster. Greenway was a decent pick, but there had to be a possibility of trading up to get Cutler like the Broncos did. Instead, they used the 2nd round pick acquired in the Culpepper deal to get Ryan Cook, a center now busting at right tackle, at least two maybe three rounds earlier than they should have. Then, they trade up to get a 1-AA prospect with good physical skills but extremely raw.3) Brad Childress' scheme is terrible.4) The talent was allowed to wane so far under the McCombs regime, that the talent currently on the roster is so young and inexperienced, it can't yet compete on a professional level.

Diagree. The Vikings are a mid-level QB away from being very good. The defense (with a good offense on the other side) has Top 10 if not Top 7 potential. Solid, explosive RB (albeit young) and an average offensive line. The QB is the glaring weakness right now and all the other issues PALE in comparison.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

1) Red McCombs2) Fran Foley's 2006 draft3) Brad Childress4) Talent

This is the perfect storm. 1) McCombs ran the team on the cheap for years. His bad decisions culminated with the trading of Randy Moss, which was approved just two months before Wilf bought the team. Wilf has said he never would have approved the Moss trade.2) The 2006 draft was a disaster. Greenway was a decent pick, but there had to be a possibility of trading up to get Cutler like the Broncos did. Instead, they used the 2nd round pick acquired in the Culpepper deal to get Ryan Cook, a center now busting at right tackle, at least two maybe three rounds earlier than they should have. Then, they trade up to get a 1-AA prospect with good physical skills but extremely raw.3) Brad Childress' scheme is terrible.4) The talent was allowed to wane so far under the McCombs regime, that the talent currently on the roster is so young and inexperienced, it can't yet compete on a professional level.

Diagree. The Vikings are a mid-level QB away from being very good. The defense (with a good offense on the other side) has Top 10 if not Top 7 potential. Solid, explosive RB (albeit young) and an average offensive line. The QB is the glaring weakness right now and all the other issues PALE in comparison.

The line isn't even average right now. The defensive backfield is average. And Peyton Manning couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken poop with Williamson/Wade/Rice.

 

[The Rook]

The line isn't even average right now. The defensive backfield is average. And Peyton Manning couldn't make chicken salad out of chicken poop with Williamson/Wade/Rice.

I think Wade and Rice get unfairly lumped in with Williamson. Williamson is an outright bust. Rice and Wade are very serviceable receivers, not worst in the league.

 

[hauser42]

Childress was a OC in name only for the Eagles. He now has brought in Bevell to help and they both have a very little experience on game planning at the NFL level.

Talent has been lacking for a couple of years and to think that Jackson was the answer was wrong. He was a guy that should have been drafted later since he has a lot of polish needed.

 

[Da Guru]

No QBs, No WRs, a good RB does make for an explosive offense.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Diagree. The Vikings are a mid-level QB away from being very good. The defense (with a good offense on the other side) has Top 10 if not Top 7 potential. Solid, explosive RB (albeit young) and an average offensive line. The QB is the glaring weakness right now and all the other issues PALE in comparison.

Sorry to disagree, but I totally do.The secondary blows. You get a good passing team going against the Vikes and it is lights out. Heck the back-up for Detroit practically lit them up like a X-Mas tree. Can you imagine if Kitna hadn't got knocked out the game?15 on defense at best.Average O-Line? I don't think so. The offensive line is the biggest bunch of phat cats ever assembled. "I got my money now so here Mr. Defensive End, go unevaded to my sucky QB".The only thing that's even made them look halfway decent is a powder puff schedule that is now over. Now we'll get to see the real Vikings.

 

[Donnybrook]

Heck the back-up for Detroit practically lit them up like a X-Mas tree.

 

[sho nuff]

Blame the owner for hiring Childress.If Reid didn't trust him to make the calls on Sundays as the OC, WTF made him good enough to be a coach??

And then Childress for hiring an OC with no real experience. (Sorry, being a bad/mediocre college QB and then doing nothing as Favre's QB coach is not experience)

 

[Bull Dozier]

1) Red McCombs2) Fran Foley's 2006 draft3) Brad Childress4) Talent

This is the perfect storm. 1) McCombs ran the team on the cheap for years. His bad decisions culminated with the trading of Randy Moss, which was approved just two months before Wilf bought the team. Wilf has said he never would have approved the Moss trade.2) The 2006 draft was a disaster. Greenway was a decent pick, but there had to be a possibility of trading up to get Cutler like the Broncos did. Instead, they used the 2nd round pick acquired in the Culpepper deal to get Ryan Cook, a center now busting at right tackle, at least two maybe three rounds earlier than they should have. Then, they trade up to get a 1-AA prospect with good physical skills but extremely raw.3) Brad Childress' scheme is terrible.4) The talent was allowed to wane so far under the McCombs regime, that the talent currently on the roster is so young and inexperienced, it can't yet compete on a professional level.

I agree with what you assess as the issues, but I disagree in your ordering. I'd swap #1 and #3 on your list. Players have to play the game, but coaches have to be able to put the players in a position to succeed. What Childress is doing is as far from that as possible. With Peterson doing what he's doing, what little success the Vikes have on offense is had in spite of Childress, not due to his presence. The fact that two years in a row he's taken Eagle castoffs to be his backups is a sign of his inablity to succeed on his own. He's still trying to ride Reid's coattails.I also agree with the mess that was the 2006 draft. Having Cutler right now would make a huge difference in their potential to succeed.Red's running of the team was abysmal, but we can't blame the lack of success on Moss being gone any longer. Teams go from worst to first in the time that Moss has been gone, and we just keep slipping backwards.

 

[snogger]

Diagree. The Vikings are a mid-level QB away from being very good. The defense (with a good offense on the other side) has Top 10 if not Top 7 potential. Solid, explosive RB (albeit young) and an average offensive line. The QB is the glaring weakness right now and all the other issues PALE in comparison.

Average O-Line? I don't think so. The offensive line is the biggest bunch of phat cats ever assembled. "I got my money now so here Mr. Defensive End, go unevaded to my sucky QB".

All goes back to coaching.. The talent is there.. Of that I have no doubt.. It's the motivating that isn't there and that goes to coaching.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Diagree. The Vikings are a mid-level QB away from being very good. The defense (with a good offense on the other side) has Top 10 if not Top 7 potential. Solid, explosive RB (albeit young) and an average offensive line. The QB is the glaring weakness right now and all the other issues PALE in comparison.

Average O-Line? I don't think so. The offensive line is the biggest bunch of phat cats ever assembled. "I got my money now so here Mr. Defensive End, go unevaded to my sucky QB".

All goes back to coaching.. The talent is there.. Of that I have no doubt.. It's the motivating that isn't there and that goes to coaching.

If all that money there getting isn't motivation enough then there is something wrong with them. This "motivation" angle is way overplayed. These are supposed to be professionals.

 

[Gr00vus]

Tarvaris Jackson.

How you decide to go with that guy as your starting QB for 2007 with absolutely no viable contingency plan in place is one of the most mind boggling decisions I've EVER seen an NFL team make.

PS. Lay off Sidney, he has had zero chance to show what he can do yet.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

PS. Lay off Sidney, he has had zero chance to show what he can do yet.

He has a chance to be a stud. I like him a lot.

 

[Schrute]

1) Red McCombs

 

[Raider Nation]

Disagree. The Vikings are a mid-level QB away from being very good. The defense (with a good offense on the other side) has Top 10 if not Top 7 potential. Solid, explosive RB (albeit young) and an average offensive line. The QB is the glaring weakness right now and all the other issues PALE in comparison.

Sorry to disagree, but I totally do.The secondary blows. You get a good passing team going against the Vikes and it is lights out.

The over/under for Favre's passing yardage this week is 455. Like last week against the Chargers, they won't even try to run the ball.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

As an aside - I'm trying to find tickets for the Vikes/Packers this weekend. The prices are insane. That's what you get when you're trying to be there for history I guess.

 

[kensat30]

Disagree. The Vikings are a mid-level QB away from being very good. The defense (with a good offense on the other side) has Top 10 if not Top 7 potential. Solid, explosive RB (albeit young) and an average offensive line. The QB is the glaring weakness right now and all the other issues PALE in comparison.

Sorry to disagree, but I totally do.The secondary blows. You get a good passing team going against the Vikes and it is lights out.

The over/under for Favre's passing yardage this week is 455. Like last week against the Chargers, they won't even try to run the ball.

Through three games they are averaging like 240 allowed through the air (which is pretty bad). Until you consider that they gave up 400+ to Detroit (which is a passing juggernaut). Exclude the Detroit game and we are looking at 175 yards a game allowed. That ranks pretty damn high on the list if I'm not mistaken. They play Chicago instead of Detroit in week 2 and we are looking at a top5 passing defense to go with their #1 rushing defense. I swear to god, Minnesota has the best defense in the NFL right now. Their offense is so weak that you just don't notice how solid this D is. You can't run on them obviously. But they also sack you and cause turnovers, and they have playmakers. Very very similar to Chicago before they were considered a playoff contender and one of the best Ds in the league like back in 2003 or 2004.

 

[snogger]

Diagree. The Vikings are a mid-level QB away from being very good. The defense (with a good offense on the other side) has Top 10 if not Top 7 potential. Solid, explosive RB (albeit young) and an average offensive line. The QB is the glaring weakness right now and all the other issues PALE in comparison.

Average O-Line? I don't think so. The offensive line is the biggest bunch of phat cats ever assembled. "I got my money now so here Mr. Defensive End, go unevaded to my sucky QB".

All goes back to coaching.. The talent is there.. Of that I have no doubt.. It's the motivating that isn't there and that goes to coaching.

If all that money there getting isn't motivation enough then there is something wrong with them. This "motivation" angle is way overplayed. These are supposed to be professionals.

There is a reason players have "career Years" when their contract is almost up and they are looking to cash in ... The Vikes OL isn't the first to cash in and become lazy... Most have Bonuses tied to number of snaps/games played. Hit them where it counts, bench them for part of the game.. But then again the coaching staff would have to be smart enough to draft/pickup Free agents that could challenge them for their jobs. No threat to lose your job equals no motivation.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Whoever is in charge of bringing in the players that Brad Childress needs to run his offense the way he wants it run.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Whoever is in charge of bringing in the players that Brad Childress needs to run his offense the way he wants it run.

Last year it was Fran "the Liar Foley. This year it's Rick Spielman - the same Rick Spielman that destroyed the Dolphins.

 

[King of the Wolfies]

Whoever is in charge of bringing in the players that Brad Childress needs to run his offense the way he wants it run.

Last year it was Fran "the Liar Foley. This year it's Rick Spielman - the same Rick Spielman that destroyed the Dolphins.

How this guy got another job is beyond me.

 

[Aaronstory]

The rumors that Wilf is trying to make the team as bad as possible so he can move it grow more and more believable every week...

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Whoever is in charge of bringing in the players that Brad Childress needs to run his offense the way he wants it run.

Last year it was Fran "the Liar Foley. This year it's Rick Spielman - the same Rick Spielman that destroyed the Dolphins.

How this guy got another job is beyond me.

Minnesota Viking sPresident Rob Brzezinski had ties to Spielman in Miami somehow.

 

[BroadwayG]

Any word on who's starting at QB for Minny this weekend?

 

[snogger]

Any word on who's starting at QB for Minny this weekend?

80% chance it is Mr. H.. TJ is still hobbling a bit with the strained Groin..

 

[LGOA]

Tarvaris Jackson.How you decide to go with that guy as your starting QB for 2007 with absolutely no viable contingency plan in place is one of the most mind boggling decisions I've EVER seen an NFL team make.PS. Lay off Sidney, he has had zero chance to show what he can do yet.

I actually don't think Jackson is that bad. With the right coaching, more reps, and some veteran advice, I think he'd be very good. I think they should have tried to get a solid veteran backup to help him out, and no, I don't mean Holcomb.

 

[Raider Nation]

Tarvaris Jackson.

How you decide to go with that guy as your starting QB for 2007 with absolutely no viable contingency plan in place is one of the most mind boggling decisions I've EVER seen an NFL team make.

PS. Lay off Sidney, he has had zero chance to show what he can do yet.

I actually don't think Jackson is that bad. With the right coaching, more reps, and some veteran advice, I think he'd be very good.

Gotta admit, I liked what I saw in the preseason. But that's why they call it the preseason. Hell, remember Ryan Leaf's rookie year? Even HE looked good in August against vanilla defenses.

 

[Vikes Fan]

1) Red McCombs2) Fran Foley's 2006 draft3) Brad Childress4) Talent

This is the perfect storm. 1) McCombs ran the team on the cheap for years. His bad decisions culminated with the trading of Randy Moss, which was approved just two months before Wilf bought the team. Wilf has said he never would have approved the Moss trade.2) The 2006 draft was a disaster. Greenway was a decent pick, but there had to be a possibility of trading up to get Cutler like the Broncos did. Instead, they used the 2nd round pick acquired in the Culpepper deal to get Ryan Cook, a center now busting at right tackle, at least two maybe three rounds earlier than they should have. Then, they trade up to get a 1-AA prospect with good physical skills but extremely raw.3) Brad Childress' scheme is terrible.4) The talent was allowed to wane so far under the McCombs regime, that the talent currently on the roster is so young and inexperienced, it can't yet compete on a professional level.

I am completely with you Andy. I agree with everything, except what always bugs me about what is said in number 4 is that Tice (you know, the bonehead) was able to get 9-7 out of this team just two years ago! If the talent level under the McCombs regime was that bad, how did they manage 9-7? Moss was gone already, and C-Pepp was injured most of the year. How can the not talented team that went 6-10 last year and I think much worse this year, manage a 9-7 record. I think that points strongly to number 3...and add to it the fact that players hate playing for Childress. Remeber the St. Louis game last year? The bags were already packed...