Mock 2006 First Round (1 Viewer)

[Andy Dufresne]

Yes and no. How much better would they be trading down and improving several positions and re-sign A Green or other FA RB, Or upgrading at RB with Bush and little elsewhere because of the high cost to move up.

Green is done. Their RB situation is a mess and the team will not be fixed with one draft. They are not as far away as teams like the Texans/49ers though.I do not believe they will be able to trade down.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

you could put LT2 back there and he would struggle with this make shift line.

Just My Opinion.

No he wouldn't. His first two years in SD, the line was terrible and he still got his. Bush is much more talented than Arrington.

 

[The (Grid)Iron Giant]

As a "lifelong" Texans fan (hah!), let's get down and dirty: what would Reggie Bush do behind that Division II o-line the Texans trot out there every Sunday? They just signed Dom Davis to a 5/$21m deal, and while that may not mean terribly much in the non-guaranteed world of the NFL, it does suggest some confidence in him.Normally, I believe teams should take the best player available. And I consider Bush to be one of the most talented players to come out in the last 5 years. If the Texans take him, I would hardly cry, but have you ever seen a line as bad as theirs in all the years you've watched football? Maybe it's coaching, and a new staff could get much more out of them, but I doubt it.Most teams in the NFL are a Reggie Bush-type guy away from the playoffs, but not the Texans. They were using smoke and mirrors to get their wins the last two years, and now they're paying the piper. If they can get a _great_ package for Bush, they have to consider it. But then they pass on the next superstar.They're really d*mned in they do and d*mned if they don't, huh? Um, go Texans. Yeah.

 

[cstu]

As a "lifelong" Texans fan (hah!), let's get down and dirty: what would Reggie Bush do behind that Division II o-line the Texans trot out there every Sunday? They just signed Dom Davis to a 5/$21m deal, and while that may not mean terribly much in the non-guaranteed world of the NFL, it does suggest some confidence in him.

Normally, I believe teams should take the best player available. And I consider Bush to be one of the most talented players to come out in the last 5 years. If the Texans take him, I would hardly cry, but have you ever seen a line as bad as theirs in all the years you've watched football? Maybe it's coaching, and a new staff could get much more out of them, but I doubt it.

Most teams in the NFL are a Reggie Bush-type guy away from the playoffs, but not the Texans. They were using smoke and mirrors to get their wins the last two years, and now they're paying the piper. If they can get a _great_ package for Bush, they have to consider it.

But then they pass on the next superstar.

They're really d*mned in they do and d*mned if they don't, huh? Um, go Texans. Yeah.

I'm not so worried about Bush playing poorly since DD has shown that the Texans can run block ok, but Bush isn't going to help them win games if Carr is still getting slammed to the ground on every pass play.

 

[cstu]

you could put LT2 back there and he would struggle with this make shift line.

Just My Opinion.

No he wouldn't. His first two years in SD, the line was terrible and he still got his. Bush is much more talented than Arrington.

A great RB can produce behind a terrible OL. Arrington has made it pretty clear that he's not a great RB, but could still be a good RB with a decent OL (like Thomas Jones). If Bush is a great RB, he'll put up numbers wherever he goes.

 

[Spike]

you could put LT2 back there and he would struggle with this make shift line.

Just My Opinion.

No he wouldn't. His first two years in SD, the line was terrible and he still got his. Bush is much more talented than Arrington.

A great RB can produce behind a terrible OL. Arrington has made it pretty clear that he's not a great RB, but could still be a good RB with a decent OL (like Thomas Jones). If Bush is a great RB, he'll put up numbers wherever he goes.

It's the "if" part of that which is key. Also, he's GOT to go to a team where the OC is imaginative enough to utilize Bush in a variety of ways.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Normally, I believe teams should take the best player available. And I consider Bush to be one of the most talented players to come out in the last 5 years. If the Texans take him, I would hardly cry, but have you ever seen a line as bad as theirs in all the years you've watched football? Maybe it's coaching, and a new staff could get much more out of them, but I doubt it.

Most teams in the NFL are a Reggie Bush-type guy away from the playoffs, but not the Texans. They were using smoke and mirrors to get their wins the last two years, and now they're paying the piper. If they can get a _great_ package for Bush, they have to consider it.

But then they pass on the next superstar.

They're really d*mned in they do and d*mned if they don't, huh? Um, go Texans. Yeah.

That just shows how low you are. If it's not a no-brainer to take the most talented guy in the last 5 years then you should take someone other than him.

 

[jbz]

Vernon Davis needs to be added to this. He's a 1st round TE if I ever saw one. (though a little short maybe)

So is Leonard Pope and Marcedes Lewis. I see no way all 3 go in the first, and maybe only 1 will go. This draft is that deep in first round talent. Dominique Byrd also looks legit to me. Some teams looking to draft TE are going to great values in the 2nd. . A real nice RB could fall out of the first too. I think the teams picking 1-10 or so are going to get two first rounders when you look at the absolute grades of these guys independant of their draft class.

3 TEs have gone in the first before haven't they....? I recall 2 have gone in the 1st for sure. I would say Davis and Lewis are the top 2 TEs, but it could go anyway.But you're right, it is a loaded draft IF some of the high ranked underclassmen declare. This is good news for me since I'm a Redskins fan and they gave up their 1st rounder for Jason Campbell last year.

 

[coolnerd]

you could put LT2 back there and he would struggle with this make shift line.

Just My Opinion.

No he wouldn't. His first two years in SD, the line was terrible and he still got his. Bush is much more talented than Arrington.

A great RB can produce behind a terrible OL. Arrington has made it pretty clear that he's not a great RB, but could still be a good RB with a decent OL (like Thomas Jones). If Bush is a great RB, he'll put up numbers wherever he goes.

It's the "if" part of that which is key. Also, he's GOT to go to a team where the OC is imaginative enough to utilize Bush in a variety of ways.

This is key. while you could line him up as pure TB and I think he will be effective, it would be a terrible mismatch of skills versus talent. It is sort of the Marshall Faulk with the Colts versus the Faulk with the Rams difference. This why I am waiting to see whi is doing the offensive thinking in Houston before declaring whether or not they should draft him versus trading down.

 

[Bloom]

Vernon Davis needs to be added to this. He's a 1st round TE if I ever saw one. (though a little short maybe)

So is Leonard Pope and Marcedes Lewis. I see no way all 3 go in the first, and maybe only 1 will go. This draft is that deep in first round talent. Dominique Byrd also looks legit to me. Some teams looking to draft TE are going to great values in the 2nd. . A real nice RB could fall out of the first too. I think the teams picking 1-10 or so are going to get two first rounders when you look at the absolute grades of these guys independant of their draft class.

3 TEs have gone in the first before haven't they....? I recall 2 have gone in the 1st for sure. I would say Davis and Lewis are the top 2 TEs, but it could go anyway.But you're right, it is a loaded draft IF some of the high ranked underclassmen declare. This is good news for me since I'm a Redskins fan and they gave up their 1st rounder for Jason Campbell last year.

In a regular draft class, i would think all 3 go in the first, but there's just too many nice prospects at harder positions to fill to see them all go this year. Pope is also a specimen at TE, and he's coming out of a program that just produced Randy McMichael and Ben Watson, so I expect him to be graded right there with Lewis and Davis.

 

[saintfool]

leinert - arizona, miami, and baltimore are obvious candidates. i think oakland, new orleans, dallas and jets are conceivably interested. a dark horse for me is kansas city, i think, especially if vermeil retires.

Packers too. I have to think they'd rather have Leinart than Rogers taking over for Favre.Brees/Rivers revisited.

This is big question for me - do the packers buck the NFL trend of letting first round QBs fail before making other plans, or do they take their franchise QB when they can? One big difference between Rodgers and Brees is that Brees had already had a very unimpressive year before the Chargers took Rivers. Rodgers is still a total unknown, except to the Packers staff busy developing him, and who knows if those guys will even be working for the team come draft day.

is rodgers such a bad beat now? i could have swore that he was the heir apparent with the far more enviable position of learning from the best in favre. i think they'll keep rodgers, maybe even dropping down because they seem to have talent with gado, davenport and green at RB. they think they've got upside and they need help at other positions.

 

[Bloom]

leinert - arizona, miami, and baltimore are obvious candidates. i think oakland, new orleans, dallas and jets are conceivably interested. a dark horse for me is kansas city, i think, especially if vermeil retires.

Packers too. I have to think they'd rather have Leinart than Rogers taking over for Favre.Brees/Rivers revisited.

This is big question for me - do the packers buck the NFL trend of letting first round QBs fail before making other plans, or do they take their franchise QB when they can? One big difference between Rodgers and Brees is that Brees had already had a very unimpressive year before the Chargers took Rivers. Rodgers is still a total unknown, except to the Packers staff busy developing him, and who knows if those guys will even be working for the team come draft day.

is rodgers such a bad beat now? i could have swore that he was the heir apparent with the far more enviable position of learning from the best in favre. i think they'll keep rodgers, maybe even dropping down because they seem to have talent with gado, davenport and green at RB. they think they've got upside and they need help at other positions.

I dont know if he's a bad beat or not. My impression of the pick when it happened was that the Packers weren't sold on Rodgers as much as they felt they couldn't pass on him. I do remember that while guys like Charlie Frye, Dan Orlovsky, and Ryan Fitzpatrick were getting big thumbs up from their staffs in the preseason, Rodgers was getting more of a shoulder shrug.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Vernon Davis needs to be added to this. He's a 1st round TE if I ever saw one. (though a little short maybe)

So is Leonard Pope and Marcedes Lewis. I see no way all 3 go in the first, and maybe only 1 will go. This draft is that deep in first round talent. Dominique Byrd also looks legit to me. Some teams looking to draft TE are going to great values in the 2nd. . A real nice RB could fall out of the first too. I think the teams picking 1-10 or so are going to get two first rounders when you look at the absolute grades of these guys independant of their draft class.

Exactly and very well said. I've wasted 20 paragraphs trying to explain what you put so concisely. I would add that it is even deeper than an extra 10 first round grade players. I think it's between 20-30, and it has a snowball effect on the 3rd round being packed with 2nd round talent, 4th w/3rd, etc. Right through the end of the draft. I read one scout's opinion saying there would be two dozen players left undrafted and seeking UFA invites who in any other year would be second day selections. I read praise for NE and Denver being credited for seeing this class for what it is a few years ago and loading up on picks. On TEs, and me being a Pac 10 junky and UCLA fan, I have been critical of all the praise Lewis gets because there is very little difference in him and Byrd and Day. They are all very good TEs, and they each bring something a different to the table. My mistake in downgrading Lewis was not respecting the other two enough. Day may well be the best TE in the conference-- as fast as Lewis and beefier. He's been slowed by injuries, but he is an excellent TE. Add Klopfenstein, who has more speed than Lewis, as good hands, is also 6-6, and you have a very deep crop of TEs.

 

[saintfool]

I dont know if he's a bad beat or not. My impression of the pick when it happened was that the Packers weren't sold on Rodgers as much as they felt they couldn't pass on him. I do remember that while guys like Charlie Frye, Dan Orlovsky, and Ryan Fitzpatrick were getting big thumbs up from their staffs in the preseason, Rodgers was getting more of a shoulder shrug.

See, that is all relative to his draft position though. They drafted him in the first round for a reason, I think. They're committed to him at least making half a season's worth of starts. Whether this year or next year, I don't know but because the jury's still out they can't draft ANOTHER qb. They have tremendous leverage and a shortage of talent on the roster. They could easily parlay this into real value, in terms of picks. The obvious suitors continue to be Ravens, Dolphins and Arizona and would want to move up to grab Leinert. I could see Saban thinking this Leinert kid would be the missing piece on offense, while he could spend the rest of the draft on defense. To a lesser degree the Ravens coach, whoever they wind up with, could think the same.

 

[gocats]

The Bengals would be crazy to draft anything other than a run stopping defensive tackle. Unless they address that need in free agency.

Exactly. I would be pissed if we took a DE, we already have Geathers (who I think can be a 10 sack guy) and J. Smith. Why on earth would we do that? Our needs are:1. DT

2. DT

3. S

4. TE

 

[Bloom]

Im not looking at Dumervil as a straight everydown DE though, just a pass rush specialist. I believe the need for consistent pressure on the QB is just as glaring as the need for a run stuffer in the Cincy D.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Barrick Nealy, a very interesting QB prospect I've mentioned before, ranked by GBN as 3rd in his class and 5th overall, is on ESPN2 right now. I watched him last week, and I guess it was his worst game in sometime. He is often compared to Vince Young. Texas St. has a better prospect, Fred Evans, a 6-5 315 pound DT, who should get drafted on the second day, but will measure comparably to the best of Div. 1 tackles. Finally, David Horne is a very fast 205 pound 5-10 back who transferred from Nebraska (to Northern Iowa) and some think he may find a roster in the NFL.

 

[msommer]

Looking at the rest of the schedule I could see the top 12 shaking out something like this, HOU, TEN, BUF and TEN lose out. Oak could pull one over DEN if the Broncos have clinched the division week 15 - chances are that they will not. SF win vs HOU (even if they lose they will have #2 spot). ARI wins against HOU and IND reserves in week 17. GB does the same with SEA and unless the Bears get some offense GB beats them at Lambeau. DET wins against NO, Jets beat BUF in week 17.1-15 HOU3-13 SF, NOS4-12 OAK, NYJ, BUF, TEN5-11 GB, DET, BAL or CLE6-10 ARI, BAL or CLE (STL, PHI or MIA could go to this spot)I guess I want to sayBUMP!!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Dom Davis the last two weeks:Week 13 @BAL Rush - 29/155 5.3 avgRec - 3/16Week 14 @TEN Rush - 22/139 6.3 avg Rec - 7/50, 1 td6 td's total on the year.Tell me again why it's a lock that the Texans take Reggie Bush?If they do take him, what's Dom worth in trade. If I'm the Texans, what can I get for Dom and my 2nd rounder? Top 10 pick? 10-15?Dom's contract is relatively small too. Some team would pick up a valuable member without breaking the bank acquiring Dom.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I don't think the Steelers pick anyone who's position isn't OL, LB, or CB in the first three rounds.

 

[msommer]

I don't think the Steelers pick anyone who's position isn't OL, LB, or CB in the first three rounds.

You are that confident in the FWP/Staley combo or do you expect RB to be addressed in FA (T. Henry, J Lewis or other)?

 

[Bloom]

I don't think the Steelers pick anyone who's position isn't OL, LB, or CB in the first three rounds.

They need a legit deep threat opposite Ward at WR and a DT/DE type to groom and replace old man kemo. i would be happy if either or both of those needs were addressed on the first day.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

I don't think the Steelers pick anyone who's position isn't OL, LB, or CB in the first three rounds.

They need a legit deep threat opposite Ward at WR and a DT/DE type to groom and replace old man kemo. i would be happy if either or both of those needs were addressed on the first day.

I think they'll address the DE in Free Agency and I think their need at WR is less than their need to add depth to the O-Line, LB corps and corners (and I think Q steps up into a bigger role next year).As for RB, they'll pick up someone in a later round and maybe try to get a runner in free agency, though I doubt it will be any of the top tier guys. Improving the depth on OL will do more for the success of their running game than picking a RB will.

 

[Willie Mays Hayes]

26 Chicago - Marcedes Lewis, TE, UCLA - A huge target to focus on in the short/intermediate passing game and act as a security blanket for whichever young QB pilots this team.

Nice list! I think that Vernon Davis (Maryland) will be the first TE off the board. The guy is like an Anquan Boldin on steroids. Davis will be a true difference-maker at the TE position and someone to watch where he goes in the NFL draft. He could make an immediate impact in the NFL given his physical features.

 

[godeepthreatz1]

I think this is a great early mock. Good call on Browns! I'd love the first 5 picks to fall like that too!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

New draft order as of Week 14.1 Houston 1-12 .547 2 San Francisco 2-10 .526 3 New York Jets 3-10 .519 4 New Orleans 3-10 .534 5 Green Bay 3-10 543 *6 Tennessee 4-9 .500 *7 Buffalo 4-9 .500 *8 Cleveland 4-9 .505 *9 Arizona 4-9 .505 10 Detroit 4-9 .514 11 Baltimore 4-9 .519 12 Oakland 4-9 .52913 St. Louis 5-8 .486 14 Philadelphia 5-8 .534 15 Miami 6-7 .466 16 Denver (f/WAS) 7-6 .548 17 Minnesota 8-5 .486 *18 Atlanta 8-5 .495 *19 Pittsburgh 8-5 .495 20 Kansas City 8-5 .505 21 New England 8-5 .510 22 Dallas 8-5 .514 23 San Diego 8-5 .553 *24 Tampa Bay 9-4 452 *25 Chicago 9-4 .452 *26 Jacksonville 9-4 .466 *27 Carolina 9-4 .466 28 New York Giants 9-4 .495 29 Cincinnati 10-3 .457 30 Denver 10-3 .495 31 Seattle 11-2 .428 32 Indianapolis 13-0 .442 *Indicates ties

 

[Bloom]

HOU@SF should truly be the bush bowl unless SF beats JAX or STL on the road and HOU loses their remaining games OR HOU wins both their remaining games (ARI and JAX) and SF still has a weaker strength schedule. Both scenarios seem unlikely to me - with the best chance being SF going into STL and winning.

 

[Weapon of Mass Instruction]

HOU@SF should truly be the bush bowl unless SF beats JAX or STL on the road and HOU loses their remaining games OR HOU wins both their remaining games (ARI and JAX) and SF still has a weaker strength schedule. Both scenarios seem unlikely to me - with the best chance being SF going into STL and winning.

Remaining games:HOU -- ARI, JAX, @SF

SF -- @JAX, @STL, HOU

If they both lose the next two, they go into the final game against each other at 1-14 and 2-13. If Houston loses, they get #1. If Houston wins, SF gets #1. (Due to SOS).

I think Houston SHOULD beat SF. IF this is the scenario, it will be a VERY interesting game to watch. I don't think Vegas will want to touch this game with a 10 foot pole. However, I will look at the under.

Speaking of Houston -- If DD can do what he does behind that line -- just imagine him with a much better line. I think it is stupid for HOU to take Bush instead of OL. They could trade down and get a couple of O linemen THROWN IN on the trade (think Herschel Walker).

I can't prove it, but I think somehow someway "they have thrown the last 3 games.

 

[Bloom]

I think Houston SHOULD beat SF. IF this is the scenario, it will be a VERY interesting game to watch. I don't think Vegas will want to touch this game with a 10 foot pole. However, I will look at the under.

Speaking of Houston -- If DD can do what he does behind that line -- just imagine him with a much better line. I think it is stupid for HOU to take Bush instead of OL. They could trade down and get a couple of O linemen THROWN IN on the trade (think Herschel Walker).

I can't prove it, but I think somehow someway "they have thrown the last 3 games.

They are definitely playing much better than SF right now, as strange as that sounds. I agree that trading down is the wisest move for texans if they land the #1, but they really can't lose either way.

 

[-OZ-]

Speaking of Houston -- If DD can do what he does behind that line -- just imagine him with a much better line. I think it is stupid for HOU to take Bush instead of OL. They could trade down and get a couple of O linemen THROWN IN on the trade (think Herschel Walker).

FWIW, I doubt any trade gets made that ever mirrors that debacle. Until maybe the Salary cap is gone.

 

[Kiddnets]

Dom Davis the last two weeks:

Week 13 @BAL

Rush - 29/155 5.3 avg

Rec - 3/16

Week 14 @TEN

Rush - 22/139 6.3 avg

Rec - 7/50, 1 td

6 td's total on the year.

Tell me again why it's a lock that the Texans take Reggie Bush?

If they do take him, what's Dom worth in trade. If I'm the Texans, what can I get for Dom and my 2nd rounder? Top 10 pick? 10-15?

Dom's contract is relatively small too. Some team would pick up a valuable member without breaking the bank acquiring Dom.

Not a bad thought - Interesting thought to package DD and an early 2nd to move up to the 1st rd. I would think they could probably get in the mid 1st rd and grab a solid OL prospect.

I still think they should trade down - If Young comes out they could theoretically cash in 3 times in the top 3 - have SF at #2 trade up for Bush; Jets at #3 trade up for Young/Leinart; and have another team trade up for leftover Young/Leinart. They could add 3 at least 3 extra 1st day picks and still choose in the top 10! That would be too good to pass up IMO. DD is a very good back and the needs are everywhere else.

 

[msommer]

FWIW, I doubt any trade gets made that ever mirrors that debacle. Until maybe the Salary cap is gone.

Which it might be in 2007

 

[stevec]

Dom Davis the last two weeks:

Week 13 @BAL

Rush - 29/155 5.3 avg

Rec - 3/16

Week 14 @TEN

Rush - 22/139 6.3 avg

Rec - 7/50, 1 td

6 td's total on the year.

Tell me again why it's a lock that the Texans take Reggie Bush?

If they do take him, what's Dom worth in trade.  If I'm the Texans, what can I get for Dom and my 2nd rounder?  Top 10 pick?  10-15?

Dom's contract is relatively small too.  Some team would pick up a valuable member without breaking the bank acquiring Dom.

Not a bad thought - Interesting thought to package DD and an early 2nd to move up to the 1st rd. I would think they could probably get in the mid 1st rd and grab a solid OL prospect.

I still think they should trade down - If Young comes out they could theoretically cash in 3 times in the top 3 - have SF at #2 trade up for Bush; Jets at #3 trade up for Young/Leinart; and have another team trade up for leftover Young/Leinart. They could add 3 at least 3 extra 1st day picks and still choose in the top 10! That would be too good to pass up IMO. DD is a very good back and the needs are everywhere else.

I don't think any team will be able to cash in thrice in 3 picks, but Houston should be able to get a double bonanza if they keep losing and get the #1 pick. They may be able to get good stuff for someone to go from 2-4 to 1, and then again down for some more booty.Vegas should stick a NL on the Bush Bowl if it happens - that might inspire the league to look into some things.

 

[facook]

HOU@SF should truly be the bush bowl unless SF beats JAX or STL on the road and HOU loses their remaining games OR HOU wins both their remaining games (ARI and JAX) and SF still has a weaker strength schedule. Both scenarios seem unlikely to me - with the best chance being SF going into STL and winning.

Remaining games:HOU -- ARI, JAX, @SF

SF -- @JAX, @STL, HOU

If they both lose the next two, they go into the final game against each other at 1-14 and 2-13. If Houston loses, they get #1. If Houston wins, SF gets #1. (Due to SOS).

I think Houston SHOULD beat SF. IF this is the scenario, it will be a VERY interesting game to watch. I don't think Vegas will want to touch this game with a 10 foot pole. However, I will look at the under.

PRAYING the Niners lose out and take Reggie Bush. The guy is just jaw-dropping. I'm not convinced he'll be a great NFL running back but I do think he'll be a great all-around player. Malarkey would need to be creative enough to get Reggie 16-18 touches a game without just running him up the gut.