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ThePittbully
Footballguy
I dont think the bucs would blow the fourth pick on willis when they could trade down with someone looking to get peterson or russel. Or the cardinals taking leon hall the rest looks ok
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Thanks for the mock. I saw many unusual picks, which is cool because drafts never go according to FBG group-think (I would use the NCAA basketball selection committee as an analogy, but it looks like they actually nailed it this year ..... blind squirrel theory in effect)Here's my burning question, for you and everyone else. What does JaMarcus bring to the table that Tarvaris does not? Perhaps Tarvaris cannot throw the ball 100 yards, but in limited highlights I have seen of him, his arm strength is not an issue.
I've been soaking up a lot of opinions on Sirius radio about TarJax, including ex-Viking o-line coach Dalton, and it all leads me to believe that the Vikings are going to stick with him. That's not to say that they won't bring in a Bledsoe kind of guy to steer the ship for a year, but repeatedly, I've heard it implied that TJ is the guy they are sticking with.
Should JaMarcus fall to #7, I think Minnesota trades down, unless drafting JaMarcus sells a lot more tickets.
Homers?
nygiants56
Footballguy
Great prediction!I've seen some off the wall mocks on this board, that are just plain silly, especially the ones that predict Brown falls to the Giants at #20. I just don't see a stud like Brown falling past #10, and your prediction of him going to Miami, is right on the money! Miami needs an o-lineman like Brown.
Giants need linebackers, NOT offensive linemen, at least not in the first round.
lord_helmet
Footballguy
Champ, Bly and Revis
, if he's there (I don't think he will be) they have to take him. His return abilities only adds value, he's the #1 CB on my big board
pinda
Footballguy
Helmet, way too many other needs on DL to waste a pick on Revis unless Bly is going to be traded for some DL help.Champ, Bly and Revis
lord_helmet
Footballguy
He would be a nice insurance policy if extending Bly past 2007 becomes a problem. In my opinion BPA is the only way to draft, at #21 Revis would be it.Helmet, way too many other needs on DL to waste a pick on Revis unless Bly is going to be traded for some DL help.Champ, Bly and Revis
pinda
Footballguy
yeah any other year i'd go with BPA, but with the holes in the DL so huge and obviously Shanahan gearing up for a run this year, i think it's DL or bust this year.
lord_helmet
Footballguy
Read somewhere recently that of 23 starting linemen during Shannys time in Denver, he has only drafted 2. Trading for Big Daddy and McKinley suggests he might be lining up to overlook it again, but I agree that D-line is the most glaring hole. Should a guy like Revis fall to 21, I wouldnt mind waiting a round or 2 for a lineman.
ETA: Can't find exactly what it said, but these are facts
"Of the 14 defensive linemen taken in the draft under Shanahan, only four played in more than 40 games for the Broncos and 1997 first-rounder Trevor Pryce, now with Baltimore, is the only one to appear in more than 47 contests. There are 12 defensive linemen currently on the Denver roster and just two are players whose careers originated with the Broncos. The lone Denver draft choice on the defensive line is pass-rushing end Elvis Dumervil, a fourth-round selection in 2006.
In fairness to Shanahan and the Denver personnel department, the dearth of good, young defensive linemen isn't all a factor of poor draft decisions. There have been injuries to a number of the draftees -- most notably a persistent knee problem that kept defensive end Paul Toviessi, a second-round pick in 2001 and a player who was projected as a double-digit sack man, from ever playing in a game -- that essentially scuttled their careers."
ETA: Can't find exactly what it said, but these are facts
"Of the 14 defensive linemen taken in the draft under Shanahan, only four played in more than 40 games for the Broncos and 1997 first-rounder Trevor Pryce, now with Baltimore, is the only one to appear in more than 47 contests. There are 12 defensive linemen currently on the Denver roster and just two are players whose careers originated with the Broncos. The lone Denver draft choice on the defensive line is pass-rushing end Elvis Dumervil, a fourth-round selection in 2006.
In fairness to Shanahan and the Denver personnel department, the dearth of good, young defensive linemen isn't all a factor of poor draft decisions. There have been injuries to a number of the draftees -- most notably a persistent knee problem that kept defensive end Paul Toviessi, a second-round pick in 2001 and a player who was projected as a double-digit sack man, from ever playing in a game -- that essentially scuttled their careers."
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Billy1x
Footballguy
Looks like a very plausible scenario to me. Not sure how far J. Russell is going to fall. His stock seems to be dropping.
I don't see anybody trading down in the first half of the first round. The table is no longer representative of the real values making the cost way to high, IMO.
I don't see anybody trading down in the first half of the first round. The table is no longer representative of the real values making the cost way to high, IMO.
Traders2001
Footballguy
Peterson would never make it past the Falcons , they have a real real need at RB .
Dunn Ah Ah Ah Ah Norwood
would get broken in pieces as a featured back.
Dunn Ah Ah Ah Ah Norwood
would get broken in pieces as a featured back.
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Are you kidding? Do you mean besides the fact that Jamarcus played in the most competitive and defense heavy conference in college football and did extremely well and Tavaris went to whatchacallit state? And Tavaris has a nice arm, but Ive seen them both play and I dont think its a question Jamarcus has the stronger arm and more accuracy. And while Tavaris did ok in 2 out of the three games he started, he didnt exactly set the world on fire. And in one game he was downright awful. So to say he is a wild card right now is dead on IMO
lions327
Footballguy
While the jury is still out on Tarvaris, you certainly can't judge him by the games he played as a rookie. He is very raw and played at a smaller school. He needs more time to develop.
pgreenfan
Footballguy
I shouldn't say they are taking Revis because of Williams just that Revis at that point provide good value for them at a position of need.
pgreenfan
Footballguy
I honestly don't think taking Willis with the 4th pick would be blowing the pick for them at all. If Willis had played at a powerhouse program he would be a top 10 pick for sure in this draft I think, add in the fact that MLB is a relative need for them and makes Willis an option for the Bucks. The only concern is that while I feel Willis has very high stud potential there is an existing trend of MLBs falling in the draft. That said Hawk went #5 last year so it still happens.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Yeah, Peterson is an iron man.Peterson would never make it past the Falcons , they have a real real need at RB .Dunn Ah Ah Ah Ah Norwoodwould get broken in pieces as a featured back.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Geeze dude. Did Brown kick your dog or dump your sister or something?Glad to know I have a stalker though.I think it's a pretty good mock. Although I don't think MN would take Russell.nygiants56 said:
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pgreenfan
Footballguy
I had a hard time with Russell in this mock because I am predicting him to fall, The Vikings team just seemed like a good spot for his slide to end.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The QBs are difficult. If one starts to slide, it's tough predicting where the slide ends. And I think that Russell has just enough red-ish flags that could cause teams to pass on him.
Bonzai
Footballguy
nice work man, you took some chances, which is cool.i doubt the bengals go OL here, though. my guess is you're basing this on the departure of steinbach, but we're still pretty deep there.
i'd think we draft defensively. i have us taking a LB, beason or puz.
nygiants56
Footballguy
I don't have a dog..Andy Dufresne said:
you're a star, smile for the camera 
have you watched Giants games the past 3-4 years?! eesh.. they've had one of the best running games around, but they don't have a defense. there's no way they'd select an OT when their real need is DB & LB, and to a lesser degree, they need a great pass-catching RB..this defense is baaad...lousy.terrible. they can't stop the run, and can be beat thru the air with ease. not to mention, a guy like Brown shouldn't drop out of the top ten. He's a rock ..guys like him don't fall out of the sky..the Giants need help on the defensive side...it appears they are trying to sign a LB now, perhaps it means they're looking at DB's like Aaron Ross, Chris Houston, Reggie Nelson, to help out the secondary. they really haven't had success drafting for the defensive secondary, lately ( Peterson, Allen, and Safety Shaun Williams).they need a major defensive overhaul..I'm just being realistic, the need for an OT is way, way down on the list for this team.
apkballa
Footballguy
I think that would be a smart pick. If they want to beat teams like the colts they will need depth at CB and this kid adds value at that position. You have to take him.lord_helmet said:Champ, Bly and Revispinda said:
pgreenfan
Footballguy
I would like to add that I think Revis could become a better player than Bly. The punt return addition to their team would be a big plus.I think that would be a smart pick. If they want to beat teams like the colts they will need depth at CB and this kid adds value at that position. You have to take him.lord_helmet said:Champ, Bly and Revispinda said:
The Jacket
Footballguy
Chiefs will take Jarrett and say thank you very much. The guy dominates on the football field. Good luck to all the teams taking guys who run well on tracks.
pgreenfan
Footballguy
I think it would be a good fit for both involved. Jarrett is a player that I could see having a Keyshawn type of impact, which is very solid. Everyone wants the sub 4.4 guy but Jarrett could be a great move the chains type of receiver.
nerangers
Footballguy
11 San Francisco 49'ers - Jamaal Anderson, DE - San Francisco is happy to have Anderson fall a few spots farther than anticipated and look for him to generate a pass rush to help a defense on a young and improving team.
Doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme... I think they go with Adam Carriker, DE instead.
28 New England Patriots - Brian Leonard, FB - Maroney fantasy owners throw-up but Leonard to the Patriots in real life would provide them with a lot of options out of the backfield.
Patriots move down if they are going to do this...Scott Wright have the Pats doing the same thing. I agree it is the type of player the Pats would go for...but the Secondary needs players! If they do this, they move down than using the 28th pick overall.
Doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme... I think they go with Adam Carriker, DE instead.
28 New England Patriots - Brian Leonard, FB - Maroney fantasy owners throw-up but Leonard to the Patriots in real life would provide them with a lot of options out of the backfield.
Patriots move down if they are going to do this...Scott Wright have the Pats doing the same thing. I agree it is the type of player the Pats would go for...but the Secondary needs players! If they do this, they move down than using the 28th pick overall.
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Jiggyonthehut
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pgreenfan
Footballguy
I think Anderson could gain enough weight to be a decent 3-4 end. He is currently at 280lbs, if he adds 15 pounds he could make the move. ETA the more I think of Anderson the more I think he is comparable to Marcus Spears coming out of college minus the majory injury.Also I have the Pats going CB with their first pick with Aaron Ross from U of Texas.11 San Francisco 49'ers - Jamaal Anderson, DE - San Francisco is happy to have Anderson fall a few spots farther than anticipated and look for him to generate a pass rush to help a defense on a young and improving team.Doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme... I think they go with Adam Carriker, DE instead.
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MrPhoenix
Ron Paul Soldier
Some drafts have him slipping to the mid-teens, but he should still be a top-10 pick. What worries me is that Okoye has been going in the top 10 in some drafts, but from what I gather, he SHOULD still be available at #13. He's THE guy that I want the Rams to grab, he's the franchise DT that doesn't come around every year.Thats because most are assuming Branch is aleady gone at this point.
Jiggyonthehut
Footballguy
Not gonna dispute this at all. Both are fantastic talents. But for the record, I do like Wroten as the heir to the UT spot when Glover leaves. If the Rams dont see the same, and both Okoye and Branch are avalible at #13, then I understand its a hard choice. But Branch has proven himself to be a beast in the interior- one who can fill up space and eat up the run as well. He's a massive guy thats going to require some special attention from opposing offensive lines, and I believe that his transition to the NFL will be a smoother one, given his natural size and level of play.But for me it boils down to the fact that a great NT will flow the ball to the outside and allow the DE's to make plays. Run defense has been a sore spot for the rams and i think the presence of a NFL ready NT would be the single most important addition to that defense.Some drafts have him slipping to the mid-teens, but he should still be a top-10 pick. What worries me is that Okoye has been going in the top 10 in some drafts, but from what I gather, he SHOULD still be available at #13. He's THE guy that I want the Rams to grab, he's the franchise DT that doesn't come around every year.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Cardinals signed Roderick Hood to start, not play nickle. I don't think they take Hall.
I read somewhere that while the Dolphins certainly need a LT, they are less than enamored with Levi.
I read somewhere that while the Dolphins certainly need a LT, they are less than enamored with Levi.
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pgreenfan
Footballguy
Thanks, I will be doing a couple of more before the draft in April. As I said this is my first attempt so there will be some changes.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
On the flip side, I like where you have Quinn, Carriker, and Meachem.
milfordshane
Footballguy
You might want to take a look at Peterson to Houston. They signed A. Green amd Dayne in the offseason. Plus, they passed on Bush last year. Kubiak and that system seem to not value the RB position as much as some some other clubs.It's a tough to project Peterson falling all the way to 12, but it could happen.I like Olsen to Carolina. Some people will call it a reach but his combine performance + New OC + lack of Depth in the TE Class + Kris Mangum retiring = solid pick. They can always address DB and WR in rnds 2&3.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
CB? What's wrong with Gamble/Lucas/Marshall?I like Olsen to Carolina. Some people will call it a reach but his combine performance + New OC + lack of Depth in the TE Class + Kris Mangum retiring = solid pick. They can always address DB and WR in rnds 2&3.
milfordshane
Footballguy
FixedCB? What's wrong with Gamble/Lucas/Marshall?I like Olsen to Carolina. Some people will call it a reach but his combine performance + New OC + lack of Depth in the TE Class + Kris Mangum retiring = solid pick. They can always address S and WR in rnds 2&3.
pgreenfan
Footballguy
I can't imagine Peterson making it to the Texans and them not selecting him, however nobody thought they would take Mario Williams last year.You might want to take a look at Peterson to Houston. They signed A. Green amd Dayne in the offseason. Plus, they passed on Bush last year. Kubiak and that system seem to not value the RB position as much as some some other clubs.It's a tough to project Peterson falling all the way to 12, but it could happen.I like Olsen to Carolina. Some people will call it a reach but his combine performance + New OC + lack of Depth in the TE Class + Kris Mangum retiring = solid pick. They can always address DB and WR in rnds 2&3.
milfordshane
Footballguy
I think Buffalo moving up wth Washington to elimnate that possibility makes some sense. Although I try no to project trades when putting together a mock.I can't imagine Peterson making it to the Texans and them not selecting him, however nobody thought they would take Mario Williams last year.You might want to take a look at Peterson to Houston. They signed A. Green amd Dayne in the offseason. Plus, they passed on Bush last year. Kubiak and that system seem to not value the RB position as much as some some other clubs.It's a tough to project Peterson falling all the way to 12, but it could happen.I like Olsen to Carolina. Some people will call it a reach but his combine performance + New OC + lack of Depth in the TE Class + Kris Mangum retiring = solid pick. They can always address DB and WR in rnds 2&3.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Better.FixedCB? What's wrong with Gamble/Lucas/Marshall?I like Olsen to Carolina. Some people will call it a reach but his combine performance + New OC + lack of Depth in the TE Class + Kris Mangum retiring = solid pick. They can always address S and WR in rnds 2&3.
Two guys that could surprise are Aaron Rouse and John Wendling.
milfordshane
Footballguy
They could also look for LB help. They can't be comfortable with counting on Dan Morgan. There seems to be some real value at LB in the 2nd.edited because I type like a one eyed monkey.Better.FixedCB? What's wrong with Gamble/Lucas/Marshall?I like Olsen to Carolina. Some people will call it a reach but his combine performance + New OC + lack of Depth in the TE Class + Kris Mangum retiring = solid pick. They can always address S and WR in rnds 2&3.
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harrycarey
Footballguy
profootballtalk has willis at #4 in their new mock 
pgreenfan
Footballguy
I expected to take some heat for putting that high but I really don't think it is out of the question at all. I would have to say of all of the picks I posted the one that is the least likely (as Andy pointed out) is Leon Hall to the Cardinals.profootballtalk has willis at #4 in their new mock
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If Hawk can go #5 last year, Willis can conceivably go #4 this year. Just for grins, let's assume TB trades up to #2 for CJ and at #4 Detroit takes Willis - a move which would really, really help the Lions out at a position of severe need.I expected to take some heat for putting that high but I really don't think it is out of the question at all. I would have to say of all of the picks I posted the one that is the least likely (as Andy pointed out) is Leon Hall to the Cardinals.profootballtalk has willis at #4 in their new mock
nerangers
Footballguy
I know...I have the Pats going CB and S with their first two picks if they do not move back.I was reading that Maroney is having shoulder problems (looks like he had it operated on) so mabye they will need Brian Leonard more than I think.I think Anderson could gain enough weight to be a decent 3-4 end. He is currently at 280lbs, if he adds 15 pounds he could make the move. ETA the more I think of Anderson the more I think he is comparable to Marcus Spears coming out of college minus the majory injury.Also I have the Pats going CB with their first pick with Aaron Ross from U of Texas.11 San Francisco 49'ers - Jamaal Anderson, DE - San Francisco is happy to have Anderson fall a few spots farther than anticipated and look for him to generate a pass rush to help a defense on a young and improving team.Doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme... I think they go with Adam Carriker, DE instead.
pgreenfan
Footballguy
I am not worried about Maroney as much as I think that Leonard is the type of player who could play a vital role in another super bowl run. He will make a great threat from FB which is where I think he will play a lot. Mike Alstott of the Patriots if you will.I could see Atlanta making a move giving a the second from the Texans to the Chargers for Turner. If that happens Leonard would be a nice move in the first for San Diego.I know...I have the Pats going CB and S with their first two picks if they do not move back.I was reading that Maroney is having shoulder problems (looks like he had it operated on) so mabye they will need Brian Leonard more than I think.I think Anderson could gain enough weight to be a decent 3-4 end. He is currently at 280lbs, if he adds 15 pounds he could make the move. ETA the more I think of Anderson the more I think he is comparable to Marcus Spears coming out of college minus the majory injury.Also I have the Pats going CB with their first pick with Aaron Ross from U of Texas.11 San Francisco 49'ers - Jamaal Anderson, DE - San Francisco is happy to have Anderson fall a few spots farther than anticipated and look for him to generate a pass rush to help a defense on a young and improving team.Doesn't fit the 3-4 scheme... I think they go with Adam Carriker, DE instead.28 New England Patriots - Brian Leonard, FB - Maroney fantasy owners throw-up but Leonard to the Patriots in real life would provide them with a lot of options out of the backfield.Patriots move down if they are going to do this...Scott Wright have the Pats doing the same thing. I agree it is the type of player the Pats would go for...but the Secondary needs players! If they do this, they move down than using the 28th pick overall.
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