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Carter_Can_Fly
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gump
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Love seeing the Bucs go DT...
I really do not see the Chargers going RB in Round 1. I really don't and I think it is one of those things that one mock drafter did and now EVERYONE is following suit. We will see but I think they will keep LT and if they don't they'll sign Sproles and draft someone in the early to middle rounds but not the first.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The Chargers are hard to get a handle on. Aren't they short a couple of picks this year? Missing a 2nd and 3rd I think?Seems like the most likely areas they're targeting are along the defensive front seven and the right side of the o-line. Do I have that right?A lot of mocks are falling into a pretty predictable pattern these days. Which isn't all terrible since teams need what they need.
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Blackjacks
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My opinionThe Chargers are built to make a run for a SuperBowl right now. The last 2 years LT has gotten ran down in the regular season and hasn't been able to play in the playoffs . Add in the fact that he is towards the end of his career and you say they would turn down a talent like Wells? I could definetly see them going with Wells or Moreno if available.
Blackjacks
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While I agree about the not liking the KC pick I think if Stafford is there he is the pick. You have a new regime there and while I thought Thigen was great this last year I could see them making the move for young gunner to build around.I personally love the Buffalo pick. I think that offense is really missing a young te that can catch the ball. That young offense is ready to explode.
Andy Herron
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I'm consistently seeing the Rams selecting a tackle at no. 2 and Seattle selecting Crabtree at no. 4.
While on the surface this would make sense. However, my theory would be seeing the Rams signing a free agent tackle and selecting Crabtree themselves rather than allowing division-rival Seattle to scoop him up. I don't know that they would want to have to live with that for the next ten years. Drew Bennett probably won't be back, and there is no certainty that Holt will be either.
While on the surface this would make sense. However, my theory would be seeing the Rams signing a free agent tackle and selecting Crabtree themselves rather than allowing division-rival Seattle to scoop him up. I don't know that they would want to have to live with that for the next ten years. Drew Bennett probably won't be back, and there is no certainty that Holt will be either.
Crusaderfan
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I would be doing cartwheels if the Eagles came out of the 1st round with both a RB and WR. Hell - I'd settle for one of the two. Unfortunately Andy Reid's method of drafting players will result in an OT and probably a DB with the 1st two picks. IF they even keep both which I doubt that they do.
But boy it would be like Christmas morning to have this mock come true.
But boy it would be like Christmas morning to have this mock come true.
Sweet Love
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Truth is there is a big difference between what we view as a good mock and what actually will happen. Part of that is due to GM ineptitude (not saying all of us could be good GMs, but I sometimes believe GMs are off the mark) and part of it is due to the fact that sometimes, asa astute we may believe we are in our team's "needs", we truly do not understand what is going on behind the scenes.
Everytime I see a mock that seems to make sense, i tune it out...in fact, I tune them all out as a couple of random trades could throw the whole thing off (and it happens every year). i would rather predict...errr...project...weekly stats for random TEs.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
In my mind, mock drafts are only for generating discussion of incoming prospects and how they may fit into team needs. It's fun to TRY to be accurate, but to rate someone as "good" or "bad" at mock drafting is a bit silly.Truth is there is a big difference between what we view as a good mock and what actually will happen. Part of that is due to GM ineptitude (not saying all of us could be good GMs, but I sometimes believe GMs are off the mark) and part of it is due to the fact that sometimes, asa astute we may believe we are in our team's "needs", we truly do not understand what is going on behind the scenes.Everytime I see a mock that seems to make sense, i tune it out...in fact, I tune them all out as a couple of random trades could throw the whole thing off (and it happens every year). i would rather predict...errr...project...weekly stats for random TEs.
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Chris Wells will never get 1600 yards rushing in a season in his career. Doesn't matter what team he goes too.I think its a pretty solid mock. I really like how they have BJ Raji going to Cincinnati, not many mocks have that and it seems obvious to me since the Bengals missed out on Sedrick Ellis last year, and the Bengals really haven't improved their DT position during that time. I also like how they have Alphonso Smith going in the top 15, that might be a little early but i think he's the 2nd best CB in this draft.
Couple things i don't like. I don't like how they have the Bills taking Pettigrew at #11, #11 seems too high to take a TE. I'd rather them take Chase Coffman or Travis Beckum in the 2nd round. I don't get why a lot of mocks are having Curry go to Cleveland saying that he will fill in as an OLB there. Curry doesn't have a 3-4 OLB skillset, he has a 4-3 OLB skill set. I think Orakpo could go to Cleveland at #5 if they want to adress their OLB situation. Another one i don't get that a lot of mocks have is Jeremy Maclin to Chicago. Maclin's skillset is too similar to that of Devin Hester (besides the obvious difference that Maclin can catch). Unless the Bears plan to take Hester out of their offensive plans, i dont think it would be efficient to have 2 burners on the outside. Hakeem Nicks would be an ideal fit for the Bears imo, but at #18 that would be a stretch, so i'm guessing they'll take a defensive lineman at #18.
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IMO, it doesn't do any good to draft a RB if your defense can't stop anybody (25th in yards allowed, 15th in points.) They've already got the #2 offense that's predicated on the big play passing game, not the running game anymore. Restructure LT, resign Sproles and then draft a thunder to Sproles lightning in the 2nd or later next year.
Tyler Thigpen is 24 years old. With all of the needs that KC has (and they have a ton) a young QB actually seems like something they may have lucked into this past year. I do not see that happening but I could easily be wrong.
Buffaloes
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You guys are right. I should have said this draft makes the most sense. I was just glad to see Raji not falling to the 20s and see most teams apparent "needs" being filled. I'm sure after free agency, the combine and draft day trades, things will change a lot.In my mind, mock drafts are only for generating discussion of incoming prospects and how they may fit into team needs. It's fun to TRY to be accurate, but to rate someone as "good" or "bad" at mock drafting is a bit silly.Truth is there is a big difference between what we view as a good mock and what actually will happen. Part of that is due to GM ineptitude (not saying all of us could be good GMs, but I sometimes believe GMs are off the mark) and part of it is due to the fact that sometimes, asa astute we may believe we are in our team's "needs", we truly do not understand what is going on behind the scenes.Everytime I see a mock that seems to make sense, i tune it out...in fact, I tune them all out as a couple of random trades could throw the whole thing off (and it happens every year). i would rather predict...errr...project...weekly stats for random TEs.
PranksterJD
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Says the guy who spends all his time creating mock drafts...In my mind, mock drafts are only for generating discussion of incoming prospects and how they may fit into team needs. It's fun to TRY to be accurate, but to rate someone as "good" or "bad" at mock drafting is a bit silly.Truth is there is a big difference between what we view as a good mock and what actually will happen. Part of that is due to GM ineptitude (not saying all of us could be good GMs, but I sometimes believe GMs are off the mark) and part of it is due to the fact that sometimes, asa astute we may believe we are in our team's "needs", we truly do not understand what is going on behind the scenes.Everytime I see a mock that seems to make sense, i tune it out...in fact, I tune them all out as a couple of random trades could throw the whole thing off (and it happens every year). i would rather predict...errr...project...weekly stats for random TEs.
massraider
Footballguy
Yep. The fact is, someone might have the most accurate mock ever, but one team that goes for BPA, rather than need, has the domino affect all the way down.What I don't see enough of in these mocks, is mockers considering the front office, rather than just looking at a teams' biggest need, and plugging in the next guy at that position. None of these mocks accounts for teams that have a tendency to go BPA. Funny how everyone preaches BPA, but no one uses it when doing their mock, and everyone attacks a mock that doesn't have the biggest need addressed.This mock was fun to read, but with the top two tackles, Crabtree and Raji gone, they could rename it, "Raiders Nightmare Mock".In my mind, mock drafts are only for generating discussion of incoming prospects and how they may fit into team needs. It's fun to TRY to be accurate, but to rate someone as "good" or "bad" at mock drafting is a bit silly.Truth is there is a big difference between what we view as a good mock and what actually will happen. Part of that is due to GM ineptitude (not saying all of us could be good GMs, but I sometimes believe GMs are off the mark) and part of it is due to the fact that sometimes, asa astute we may believe we are in our team's "needs", we truly do not understand what is going on behind the scenes.
Blackjacks
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that's kind of funnySays the guy who spends all his time creating mock drafts...In my mind, mock drafts are only for generating discussion of incoming prospects and how they may fit into team needs. It's fun to TRY to be accurate, but to rate someone as "good" or "bad" at mock drafting is a bit silly.Truth is there is a big difference between what we view as a good mock and what actually will happen. Part of that is due to GM ineptitude (not saying all of us could be good GMs, but I sometimes believe GMs are off the mark) and part of it is due to the fact that sometimes, asa astute we may believe we are in our team's "needs", we truly do not understand what is going on behind the scenes.
Andy Dufresne
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Why is that funny? I've always said you shouldn't take my stuff to Vegas.Do I need to sign my mocks off with "For entertainment purposes only"? And I don't spend ALL my time mock drafting.that's kind of funnySays the guy who spends all his time creating mock drafts...In my mind, mock drafts are only for generating discussion of incoming prospects and how they may fit into team needs. It's fun to TRY to be accurate, but to rate someone as "good" or "bad" at mock drafting is a bit silly.Truth is there is a big difference between what we view as a good mock and what actually will happen. Part of that is due to GM ineptitude (not saying all of us could be good GMs, but I sometimes believe GMs are off the mark) and part of it is due to the fact that sometimes, asa astute we may believe we are in our team's "needs", we truly do not understand what is going on behind the scenes.
PranksterJD
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we kid because we love, Mr. Dufresne.... and because we couldn't do it on our own. Keep up the work.... I'm willing to say you're "good" at it.Andy Dufresne said:Why is that funny? I've always said you shouldn't take my stuff to Vegas.Do I need to sign my mocks off with "For entertainment purposes only"? And I don't spend ALL my time mock drafting.Blackjacks said:that's kind of funnyPranksterJD said:Says the guy who spends all his time creating mock drafts...Andy Dufresne said:In my mind, mock drafts are only for generating discussion of incoming prospects and how they may fit into team needs. It's fun to TRY to be accurate, but to rate someone as "good" or "bad" at mock drafting is a bit silly.Sweet Love said:Truth is there is a big difference between what we view as a good mock and what actually will happen. Part of that is due to GM ineptitude (not saying all of us could be good GMs, but I sometimes believe GMs are off the mark) and part of it is due to the fact that sometimes, asa astute we may believe we are in our team's "needs", we truly do not understand what is going on behind the scenes.Everytime I see a mock that seems to make sense, i tune it out...in fact, I tune them all out as a couple of random trades could throw the whole thing off (and it happens every year). i would rather predict...errr...project...weekly stats for random TEs.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Awwwww.we kid because we love, Mr. Dufresne.... and because we couldn't do it on our own. Keep up the work.... I'm willing to say you're "good" at it.Andy Dufresne said:Why is that funny? I've always said you shouldn't take my stuff to Vegas.Do I need to sign my mocks off with "For entertainment purposes only"? And I don't spend ALL my time mock drafting.Blackjacks said:that's kind of funnyPranksterJD said:Says the guy who spends all his time creating mock drafts...Andy Dufresne said:In my mind, mock drafts are only for generating discussion of incoming prospects and how they may fit into team needs. It's fun to TRY to be accurate, but to rate someone as "good" or "bad" at mock drafting is a bit silly.Sweet Love said:Truth is there is a big difference between what we view as a good mock and what actually will happen. Part of that is due to GM ineptitude (not saying all of us could be good GMs, but I sometimes believe GMs are off the mark) and part of it is due to the fact that sometimes, asa astute we may believe we are in our team's "needs", we truly do not understand what is going on behind the scenes.
coolnerd
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Even if you do attempt BPA, each of the 32 teams have different boards which weight athletic abiltiy, on field production, character, and the team's particular system in ways that a general board does not. Because no one (not named rick Gosselien) has access to what 32 teams feel, then anyone making a mock draft has to go on what generally appears to be a need and use a player listing not tailored to a specific team. Good for learning players and team needs, but not good for very accurate picks. Honestly, my favorite are each guy take his favorite team and we draft three rounds. The "GMs" are forced to act more like real GMs do where you can't just match highest need with highest player and trade down when that does not occur the way you want it. Gives a much better feel for what happens on draft day versus the clean matches of need and player which happen too often with single person mock drats.massraider said:Yep. The fact is, someone might have the most accurate mock ever, but one team that goes for BPA, rather than need, has the domino affect all the way down.What I don't see enough of in these mocks, is mockers considering the front office, rather than just looking at a teams' biggest need, and plugging in the next guy at that position. None of these mocks accounts for teams that have a tendency to go BPA. Funny how everyone preaches BPA, but no one uses it when doing their mock, and everyone attacks a mock that doesn't have the biggest need addressed.This mock was fun to read, but with the top two tackles, Crabtree and Raji gone, they could rename it, "Raiders Nightmare Mock".Andy Dufresne said:In my mind, mock drafts are only for generating discussion of incoming prospects and how they may fit into team needs. It's fun to TRY to be accurate, but to rate someone as "good" or "bad" at mock drafting is a bit silly.Sweet Love said:Truth is there is a big difference between what we view as a good mock and what actually will happen. Part of that is due to GM ineptitude (not saying all of us could be good GMs, but I sometimes believe GMs are off the mark) and part of it is due to the fact that sometimes, asa astute we may believe we are in our team's "needs", we truly do not understand what is going on behind the scenes.Everytime I see a mock that seems to make sense, i tune it out...in fact, I tune them all out as a couple of random trades could throw the whole thing off (and it happens every year). i would rather predict...errr...project...weekly stats for random TEs.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I had planned on setting this up next week. Stay tuned.
Buffaloes
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Wadsworth
Footballguy
Dibs on Jacksonville.
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Peria Jerry is another very good DT. At #12 it would probably be a bit of a stretch, and he doesn't have the size to be a 3-4 DT, imo.
Buffaloes
Footballguy
They can probably wait and take a guy like Raji's teammate Ron Brace later. I don't think there is another NT-type player who will be taken as high as 12. I think Maualuga would be a very good consolation prize if Denver doesn't take Raji. He is an instant upgrade over whoever would be manning the middle and he's listed as 6'2" 260 so I think he is big enough to play one of the MLB spots in the 3-4 too.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
I got the Rams
Blackjacks
Footballguy
we kid because we love, Mr. Dufresne.... and because we couldn't do it on our own. Keep up the work.... I'm willing to say you're "good" at it.Andy Dufresne said:Why is that funny? I've always said you shouldn't take my stuff to Vegas.Do I need to sign my mocks off with "For entertainment purposes only"? And I don't spend ALL my time mock drafting.Blackjacks said:that's kind of funnyPranksterJD said:Says the guy who spends all his time creating mock drafts...Andy Dufresne said:In my mind, mock drafts are only for generating discussion of incoming prospects and how they may fit into team needs. It's fun to TRY to be accurate, but to rate someone as "good" or "bad" at mock drafting is a bit silly.Sweet Love said:Truth is there is a big difference between what we view as a good mock and what actually will happen. Part of that is due to GM ineptitude (not saying all of us could be good GMs, but I sometimes believe GMs are off the mark) and part of it is due to the fact that sometimes, asa astute we may believe we are in our team's "needs", we truly do not understand what is going on behind the scenes.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Since i brought it up can I have the Texans?
Tanner9919
Footballguy
even though it says 'updated Jan 26th' on the header, that column was written a while back it seems, it mentions the Giants looking at Joe Horn?!
they looked at him back in mid-December! 
a few questions:
why would SD go for Wells?! seems like they're replacing an oft-injured RB like LT2 (lately) with another oft-injured RB in Wells..
for my money I think Moreno ranks higher and will be a better pro than Wells, perfectly fits the SD offense with his versatility and game-breaking ability and athleticism..
I still think SD is interested in Michael Bush ( Raiders), so if they can pull a trade for him they might just do that instead.if not, a guy like Moreno is perfect for that team
Detroit can really make a splash in this draft with their two first round picks..
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dcgangstas
Footballguy
The picks make an awful lot of sense;well done mock.
Can't argue with the Raiders choosing Jason Smith over Oher; Smith's more of a natural LT than Oher is.
I know Mel Kiper's pushing Jeremy Maclin to the Raiders, but Smith is a better choice.
Can't argue with the Raiders choosing Jason Smith over Oher; Smith's more of a natural LT than Oher is.
I know Mel Kiper's pushing Jeremy Maclin to the Raiders, but Smith is a better choice.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
Two observations:
This guy really needs a proofreader and a good website designer.
Jarron Gilbert has a really tiny head.
This guy really needs a proofreader and a good website designer.
Jarron Gilbert has a really tiny head.
Wadsworth
Footballguy
kremenull
Footballguy
ho-humm...meh....
Seems like pretty much a cut-and-paste of what is currently out there...not much original thinking in this effort....
Everybody has Crabtree, Pettigrew, and McCoy penciled in to those same teams (Sea, Buf, and Arz, repectively). Meaning, it probably won't happen....
Everette Brown is way too low.....he will go in the Top 10, pretty much a lock....Big-time pass rushers don't fall to #20....see D.Harvey last year and Brown is even better than Harvey.....
Seems like pretty much a cut-and-paste of what is currently out there...not much original thinking in this effort....
Everybody has Crabtree, Pettigrew, and McCoy penciled in to those same teams (Sea, Buf, and Arz, repectively). Meaning, it probably won't happen....
Everette Brown is way too low.....he will go in the Top 10, pretty much a lock....Big-time pass rushers don't fall to #20....see D.Harvey last year and Brown is even better than Harvey.....
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Ridgelake
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I love the Buffalo pick too. Remember, they were THISCLOSE to trading for Tony Gonzalez at the trade deadline. (It was KC that pulled out at the last minute, not Buffalo.) The Bills KNOW they need another threat on that offense and TE is the prime candidate with RB (Marshawn and Jackson), WR1 (Evans), QB (Edwards) and possibly WR2/3/4 (Hardy, Parrish, Reed) probably set. They tried to address WR2 with James Hardy last year. He showed flashes as a rookie. And we all know how long they take to develop.The only other spots I can realistically see them picking in the first would be pass rusher (nothing besides Schobel on the roster) and possibly an OT (because of the depth at that position moreso than huge need).
